350$ electric outboard motor (86lb 24v VEVOR trolling motor with 10X8m-LH APC prop)

Hey folks, sorry about possible poor editing, still learning this app but Ill get it down. In this video, I paired a 10X8m-LH APC prop with a VEVOR 86lb trolling motor with surprising results. If you plan on ordering any prop for your trolling motor, make sure to get it in the marine section of APC's website. I hope you all enjoy the video and have a great day!!!
10X5m-LH prop good for 55lb trolling motor www.apcprop.com/product/10x5m...
10X8m-LH prop used on the vevor 86lb 24 motor
www.apcprop.com/product/10x8m...
VEVOR - 86LB TROLLING MOTOR - amzn.to/460lfY2

[@darrent8863]

Great info on these tests! I have a couple of kayaks that i have motorized and I'm looking to increase speed. Thanks for sharing!

[@codyakfishing8856]

So after watching the video I noticed an editing blunder where I couldn't match the text with the black screen...lmao, so the stock prop ran 4.2mph at 33 amps, while the 10X8m-lh ran a top speed (off camera) of 5.2 at 41 amps, 4.9 - 5.0mph average. I consider that a win! If this were a solid boat, I bet I can get 5.5 to 6.0mph.... Thanks again everyone for the support!!!

[@seanfalconer7182]

Entertaining and informative! Thank you Cody! I'll check out that Wayne the boat guy, too... 😎👍🏻

[@codyakfishing8856]

Awesome, thanks!!! Have a safe labor day

[@helloterran]

Hey great data again! As promised a couple of weeks back, I've also tested out the Hangkai 1000w brushless outboard, which retails for ~$200 occasionally (under different brand names). Here're the mph/watt data points I got: 2.8@130w 3.6@270w 4.3@530w 5.0@1040w 5.3@1440w (Yes, using 48v ebike battery that's actually 54.6v fully charged essentially overclocks the motor) It's a solid performer, however quite noisy compared to Vevor. And it uses a fast-spinning (3000rpm) 7x5 prop, which may not be the best choice when it comes to efficiency. As a comparison, my Vevor with APC 10x8 props ran at about 3.8mph @ 500w, and peaked at ~4.4mph @1000w. I blame the brushed motor for the slower speed at similar wattage.

[@codyakfishing8856]

Wow that's awesome!!! That hankai outboard is pretty neat then, noise wouldn't bug me much, the motor itself does spin at 3000rpm, but is it the brand that has the motor under the cowling?? If so then the prop spins at about 1450-1500 rpm since the bottom unit is gear reduced I believe, I'd love for you to get a video of what u did, oh and maybe switch out props on that 48v unit

[@kmasonschecter]

Also, if you swap your prop nut for a a Dubro 5/16" aluminum cone, then you can swap props faster and more easily without needing a wrench. They also look much cooler.

[@codyakfishing8856]

I'll give that a shot ty

[@wayne-oo]

Great test !

[@codyakfishing8856]

Thanks, I wish I could of done more, but I was on a bit of a time crunch

[@kmasonschecter]

STOP apologizing for your editing! The INFORMATION you provide is excellent. There are literally millions of slickly produced videos that provide ZERO useful info. Well done. Although the 10x5M's pointy thin blades are probably more efficient, for a boat, stronger is better. If APC made 10x5M & 10x6M props with the rounded tips and thicker blade design of the 10x8M that would be killer for trolling motors. Any pitch over 6" is really too much for most trolling motors (MK rpms=1540). They could call it the Codyak Prop.👍

[@codyakfishing8856]

I appreciate it man, also the camera shyness is starting to fade a little...lol

[@helloterran]

@@codyakfishing8856 I reached out to APCProp last week and they mentioned they're working on a 11x6 marine propeller design similar to current 10x8. That might be just what we need!

[@codyakfishing8856]

@@helloterran that's awesome, Ill get a hold of it and test it for sure!!!

[@cosmicbonzo7559]

Agreed

[@rootwad]

aha! you did it. Might be too much for a yak, but sounds perfect for a canoe! Seems like the math would hold up for any 86lb troller. I would be curious to see the running time difference between the 55lb @ 12v w/10x5 vs the 86 @ 24v w/10x8 *with the caveat that you don't go over 3mph with the same load.*. I suspect the 86lb setup will run longer with the same batteries since the amp draw will be lower for the given speed, so less lost to heat and battery dynamics.

[@codyakfishing8856]

I think so too but sadly I sold the 86lb, it was way too much motor for the inflatable, but i didnt gain all that much more speed vs my 55, so I'm completely happy with it

[@t9056]

i usually dont sub when the video isnt more edited but i have a mariner 4 with 86lb trolling motor and i understand the camera shyness and respect a working fam man fishing in a inflatable boat...i get 5 mph stock prop but i ordered a few of these props to try...trust me u need a rudder for ur trolling motor...our boats have a hard time tracking straight and get blown all over when the motor is off its a complete game changer i made mine with a cutting board...trust me get or make a rudder..oh and a high output inflatable pump if u dont have one...theyre all good i like mine that uses a 20v battery..all brands have em it inflates in under 3 mins but still have to pump a few times to get full psi

[@codyakfishing8856]

I have a high output pump that gets it to about 1 psi, yea I've been thinking of ordering a rudder for the trolling motor for a while but haven't yet, I appriciate the sub, I'm going to get better with the editing sooner or later...lol hope you enjoy the channel!!!

[@t9056]

i feel bad i didnt use ur link but if apc is looking i bought there props cuz of cody and im gonna try it out on my 86lb today...i tried it on my small 20lb and it seemed like it was smoother and more quiet....dont go out again w/o atleast a diy rudder...ull be amazed @@codyakfishing8856

[@WayneTheBoatGuy]

Yeah I was using a 14 foot boat for my tests. The Newport screen isn't very informative. But considering a LiFePo4 battery that supports an app means theoretically a person could buy a pretty fancy battery, and an inexpensive trolling motor with the right APC prop and get pretty close to the same speed on a budget!

[@codyakfishing8856]

That was my point of this vid, I forgot about those apart lifpo4 batteries, thanks Wayne!!

[@nt_wicked_bunch2717]

Awesome man! Been following these tests for a bit. Wondering what prop I’d need for a terrova? Thanks for sharing your test man.

[@codyakfishing8856]

Your welcome and thanks, what pound thrust is your trevoa??

[@nt_wicked_bunch2717]

@@codyakfishing8856 it’s a 24v 80 lbs thrust. Thanks for the reply!

[@codyakfishing8856]

@@nt_wicked_bunch2717 I got more speed with the 10X8m-lh but it used more current, I haven't tested the 10X5m-LH on the 24v yet, but for the price I'd get both of those.....

[@nt_wicked_bunch2717]

@@codyakfishing8856 so the LH is for “left hand”?

[@codyakfishing8856]

@@nt_wicked_bunch2717 yes sir.....

[@crazyobservations3080]

I have yet to see a durability test. Part of why your factory prop is what it is makes it tough enough to contact a rock and not be destroyed. Yeah cheap enough to carry a spare. But is it really even worth the trouble a couple of tenths of a mph? The rivers i go to prop contact is unavoidable and imminent. Will it survive an encounter with a rock like a factory prop does time after time?

[@codyakfishing8856]

I don't think they would survive many run-ins with rocks/sand. In your situation, it would t be worth it to switch, I don't recommend using this prop to everyone.

[@kmasonschecter]

The APC blades aren't just faster: The 10x5M blade much more efficient than stock, so you'll get a much longer runtime at equivalent speeds. However, I wish they made a 10x5M with the blade style of the 10x8M. The 10x5M has thin pointy blades like the APC's RC plane props, but the 10x8M has thicker blades, rounded tips, is actually pretty stout, and has a sharp trailing edge that might do a decent job of chopping weeds (in reverse). That being said, even the 10x8M probably wouldn't do well with rock strikes.

[@eddowney9548]

I noticed you are talking amps and not watts. I have found that as the batteries discharge and the voltage decreases, the power is less even when using the same amps due to ohm's law, amps times volts equal watts. Maybe that's close enough, but for more accuracy, maybe get a wattmeter and go by watts which is a measurement of power.

[@eddowney9548]

I just read below where you said it runs faster with the other prop, but at more amps. I'd be interested to see how fast the 2nd prop goes when using the same amount of power (watts). Also, running at the higher amps is fine for short duration (it's gonna get very hot very fast at that rate), but I'd like to see where the best efficiency is when using a specific power level like 500 watts continuous for example.

[@codyakfishing8856]

I was thinking about buying one here soon, I'd go with watts but a lot of average anglers who use batteries are used to the amp hour statistic. Such as when u buy a battery on Amazon it usually lists the capacity in an amp hour format instead of watt hours, but I can include both on later videos

[@codyakfishing8856]

With this motor it's a bit difficult to do, it came as advertised as variable speed, but u can hear steps in the motors work load, it's not as seamless as my enduramax, but I plan to take it back out and do more testing here soon and will include some slow speed power readings

[@eddowney9548]

yeah, I get that. You need to communicate in a way that the average person thinks and talks. I am an oddball. I have been interested in this stuff (electricity and renewable energy) for 45 years and am fairly versed on it (not formally trained in it tho, I am a machinist). I am doing almost the same sort of thing as you here with these small crafts, just for a different reason. I understand you are talking to fishermen. As I said b4, I am interested in long duration cruising on full electric as cheap as possible and as portable as possible. I think one of the great things about these small inflatables is that someone who lives in an apartment and doesn't even own a truck can still do this. I hope that care package they sent you has alot of diff props to test! You'll have plenty of material for vids next spring and summer. You should maybe use the winter to devise a game plan on how you want to do the tests and present the info. Good luck to you, but most of all, have fun! Life is short. @@codyakfishing8856

[@codyakfishing8856]

@@eddowney9548 the care package was pretty cool, I'm not allowed to show my viewers everything...... But I can show you a couple,.I'll be testing more things and sending it to APC so they can choose what to produce....

[@barrywarren4221]

I have a Newport-Vessel 55lb trolling motor, on my 14 ft alum. V hull. It has the 3 blade prop, would that possibly get more speed ?

[@codyakfishing8856]

Im betting it will, now the 10X8m-LH prop may have a little too much pitch for a 55, if you order the 10X5m-LH and use it on your 55 u should gain both speed and efficiency

[@fishing_gimiks_az]

...can you try it on an Motorguide Xi3 75lb 24v system? Thanks...

[@codyakfishing8856]

I would in a heartbeat, but don't have the money to buy one...

[@sokhenayou5402]

Hey Cody, my Vevor 24v 86lb motor shaft does not have the cross pin for the prop! How are you securing these APC props?

[@sokhenayou5402]

NVM…lolz I just heard your description in the vid

[@codyakfishing8856]

@@sokhenayou5402 lol your good, I just used an 1/8 bit and drilled through it, it's a soft metal

[@sokhenayou5402]

Thanks!!!! I will put my prop orders in!

[@codyakfishing8856]

@@sokhenayou5402 sounds good, if all works out, and I'm not sick...lol I plan on testing a a few props Sunday, unfortunately not on the 86 (don't have a 24v power source at the moment

[@KarthikVenkatesanPilot]

So how many times did you say " hope you like/enjoy this video " ?

[@codyakfishing8856]

Probably wayyy to many times, I'll have to put a counter on future vids lol

[@t9056]

and ya idt i want to go faster than 5mph in our mariner 4 esp in lakes with trees..hh-66 glue is amazing thoe

[@codyakfishing8856]

I would like to as well, but my main goal is to make a budget option to the nt300 and epropultion....

[@JosephMBoyer]

good video :P :P

[@codyakfishing8856]

The benefit of the nt300 is it's brushless DC motor, compared to this brushed motor unit, I'm not trying to sell APC props, I was excited in my video testing these props because I was shocked at the efficiency of them. I make no money on sales of any prop and bought them all myself. I'd love to have the nt300 to compare it to, I don't have the money for it, which is why I made this video, to give people a cheaper alternative as a lot of us are on a budget. According to videos on yt, the nt300 is getting 5 to 6 mph drawing 1200 watts, this 86lb is getting a solid 5mph drawing 1000watts on a very inefficient boat, I can bet if I had a small vhull or maybe a Jon boat, I can possibly get 5.5 and maybe even 6mph

[@codyakfishing8856]

I forgot to mention, I compared the epropultion spirit 1.0 number for number, epropultion states it's motor has 71lbs of thrust, the vevor claims 86, both motors rotate at 1500rpm, both use close to the same watts, boat,wind,prop depending). The epropultion and nt300 are lighter weight due to their brushless design. They are both awesome electric motors..... It's just we all don't have over 2k to drop on one of them

[@JosephMBoyer]

great video

[@codyakfishing8856]

@@JosephMBoyer thanks Joseph

[@mw9561]

Well cant buy this anywhere in europe

[@codyakfishing8856]

Oh man that's a drag, I'd say any 86lb or 24v trolling motor will work

[@msmith2016]

I'm not subscribing until you get yourself a dead cat man!

[@codyakfishing8856]

Lol most random thing I've seen so far...lol I had a cat that got hit by a car a few weeks ago.... does that count lmao

[@mw9561]

How is the speed control for trolling

[@codyakfishing8856]

The slowest I was able to go was about 2.3, but that's to blame to the pwm in the unit, one can get another pwm and install it to get even slower rotation of the prop for about 30$

[@XSAILOR65]

@@codyakfishing8856 or propeller with less pitch?

[@codyakfishing8856]

@@XSAILOR65 I may try one in the future, but less pitch would mean less top speed. So my theory is this is the biggest prop this motor can handle due to its amp draw (42) this motor is rated for 45. My minn kota enduramax has a much more efficient pwm module and I'm able( with the 10X8m-LH prop) to slow it way down to under 1mph, but it's too much prop at top speed... if the vevor had a pwm module like my minn kota has.... it would be perfect....

[@XSAILOR65]

@@codyakfishing8856 Agree, you will loose top end. But pending on the hull shape, maybe not so much? How slow You need to go for trolling? If motor would be "under pitched" at top speed, your amp draw would probably also go down slightly. But its a kompromiss in any case. If they would make it as a brushless motor at close to same price, that would be nice!

[@XSAILOR65]

@@codyakfishing8856 That one hav probably a high quality PWM?

[@denisx6616]

Your tests just prove that trolling motors are not made for speed. The rpm they produce is just too low to move the boat fast if you put higher pitched prop it will just overheat and burn the motor.

[@codyakfishing8856]

Now I would agree if I didn't do the research myself, the 10X8 isn't the perfect pitch to diameter ratio for this specific motor. Now after reading up on the manual of the epropultion spirit 1.0 plus, it stated it's motor max rpm is 1200, and has 71lbs of static thrust, also, as long as you keep the amp draw below manufactured specification, on this particular motor is 45amps, you shouldnt have issues with motor or wiring. In the near future I will test more and different props with this setup, I'm not looking for fast speed, I'm looking to match epropultions speed and current draw, which as of now I feel I accomplished on a budget. If you look up Wayne the boat guy, he got about 5.2 mph on his epropultion spirit 1.0 plus, and I managed 5.0 on this much cheaper setup

[@bornlucky9564]

please make a. weed test?

[@codyakfishing8856]

I will soon, but you won't like it..lol

[@dangullik1]

You will kill the motor, better check the heat from the motor