35018 British India Line arrives to chaos in Carlisle 14 07 22

[@Hard-Boiled-Bollock]

Merchant Navy/West Country/Battle Of Britain.. I'm glad so many Bulleids were saved. A special thank you to all those who restored her, your dedication is incredible

[@schoolshorts]

Two of them are regular visitors here at Carlisle - and always welcome!

[@derekferguson385]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/nZLJYoF9ir9sqLM All thanks to Woodhams scrap yard Barry island South Wales. Over 200 steam locos saved from this yard.

[@rarerufus8864]

Excellent filming. Every frame well planned and of interest. You're a natural. 👏

[@schoolshorts]

Thank you Rufus - it's nice to be appreciated. I have to confess that careful editing hides a lot of faults! Best wishes to you.

[@Millennialmonitor]

Just lovely video shot selection, audio. Many thanks TIm.

[@schoolshorts]

You're very welcome MM.

[@PharaohDeathMask]

An interesting and enjoyable video. The subtitles were very useful. Thanks for posting.

[@schoolshorts]

You're very welcome - glad that you enjoyed it.

[@peterclarke945]

Wow, at 4.04, the Chirk log train !!!!! Nice to see them.

[@schoolshorts]

A lot of Swan Vestas there!

[@philclarke3203]

Great video Tim. You caught all the chaos well, hope you weren't caught up in it though? Interesting freight moves at the beginning too. 👍👍

[@schoolshorts]

Fortunately, I live on the non-electrified Glasgow & South Western line. The old ways are the best!!! Cheers Phil.

[@DoncasterResonance]

Loved the Train sound clanking on that part of the rail while passing the station at 1:03, please do more like those!!

[@schoolshorts]

Jointed track certainly adds something to the overall experience. The Cumbrian Coast line from Carlisle still has many miles of it as well as spectacular scenery.

[@DoncasterResonance]

@@schoolshorts definitely, will love if u do more videos like that! Cheers

[@robwilde855]

Good filming - thank you.

[@schoolshorts]

--- and thank you Rob - glad you enjoyed it.

[@alistairkewish651]

Great to see all four roads in situ unlike so many other major stations in the North.

[@stephenbrass1808]

Superb production Tim, organized chaos at Carlisle, more chaos on the way with the heatwave comming, cancelations already for some tours, keep em coming, cheers Steve .😉👍

[@schoolshorts]

Thanks Stephen. I fear you're right about the chaos to come - we can but struggle through. Best wishes.

[@cedarcam]

What chaos. You made a good video out of it, looking from the outside it was quite enjoyable but glad I was not caught up in it. They must of been in a hurry to get out of the rain and forgot the tail lamp on the leading end of the 37. It is good they got British India Line repaired quickly and she made good time. If the busses were not on strike I was hoping to see this one in real.

[@schoolshorts]

You're not having a lot of luck with your local transport situation - let's hope it can be sorted soon. Best wishes Colin.

[@cloudmansteve]

Glad you spotted the irregular running with the tail lamp, Cedar!! It the thing I spotted as well! None tea and biscuits meeting with the traction super in my day..LOL

[@cedarcam]

​@@cloudmansteve Yes they were very strict on incorrect head and tail lights being displayed, but Tim noticed they ran with a white light on the rear of the support coach something I also noticed at York one day and now we see a tail lamp leading the way. Getting tea and biscuits days seem to of gone LOL. If you watch freights in USA they seem to have no rules at all, locos having all kinds of light combinations between coupled units, seems we are heading the same way.

[@FormallyknownasE100]

I didn't realised there was a regular LNER route learner using a 5 car Azuma. They are a rare sight at Heaton! I believe they used to use a 67 when they were using the 91's. I also hadn't appreciated TPE were using 802's on the west coast as I thought the 397's were largely in reliable service now. Love a Bullied Pacific. Just feels like a classic locomotive with interesting wheels and gorgeous nameplates.

[@schoolshorts]

Even speaking as an LNER man born and bred (a Darlingtonian) I have to admit that the rebuilt Bulleid Pacifics are superb - I never tire of them. Long may they continue to haul trains into Carlisle. Best wishes to you.

[@iskra1234]

A very well produced video. Hope you got home okay!

[@schoolshorts]

Thanks Iskra - fortunately, I live on the non-electrified Glasgow & South Western line so encountered no problems on my return journey. Best wishes.

[@tattoo1084]

Another eventful day Tim.. Glad to see BIL back running.👍

[@schoolshorts]

- - - everyday a lively one at Carlisle!

[@notyhbynorthwest]

Hi Tim, another great video with lots of high drama caused by points failure and power line issues. Amazing to see how quickly things get bogged down in situations like this. Would have been fascinating to see the effect on traffic along the WCML north and south of Carlisle. With the mix of traffic and the steam charters thrown in too, you can really see Carlisle being a bottleneck. I am sure that the staff are well used to dealing with this. Great to see it from the outside looking in rather than being a passenger. Take care, Ian

[@schoolshorts]

Thanks Ian - some of the staff that I've talked to in recent days have been pretty p****d off with the whole situation - after all, they end up getting the rough edge of the aggrieved passengers' tongues. Can't say that I envy them their task sometimes.

[@notyhbynorthwest]

@@schoolshorts Yes, I understand that only too well. "She who must be obeyed" worked for many years as a customer service agent for a couple of US airlines. She dealt with the passengers all the time, and was the first person that the passengers would come into contact with. Consequently she was the person they would vent at because in their eyes, she WAS the airline. Over the years, it became more and more stressful. On the other hand, I worked behind a desk in the Operations Control Center and never had to deal with the public - I was so very fortunate.

[@tonyelse1315]

Thanks for posting Tim

[@schoolshorts]

You're welcome Tony - - good to meet up again.

[@allenrodgers6668]

Very enjoyable .Thanks.

[@schoolshorts]

- - - and thank you - glad you enjoyed it.

[@jonathanhasnip3700]

Superb video Tim, you must have been relieved to see 35018 back in service, thanks very much for sharing PS a sad day for passengers and network rail

[@schoolshorts]

Electrification has many positives to recommend it - BUT - damage to the wires brings EVERYTHING to a halt. Thanks for your comment, Jason.

[@jonathanhasnip3700]

@@schoolshorts you're very welcome Tim, kind regards Jonathan

[@alistairkewish651]

What a busy station!

[@mc2594]

How does one station have such diverse traffic? wonderful to watch and listen to the announcers, cheers Tim

[@schoolshorts]

Carlisle is a good bet for the photographer/film-maker with a wide variety of traffic, bright and airy with generally good acoustics - and a friendly accommodating staff. Best wishes.

[@alistairkewish651]

Was imagining a golden moment when five pre Grouping railway companies all shared Citadel. North British, North Eastern, Caledonian, M and C, L & NWR hand me a camera and unlimited time to record it all.

[@schoolshorts]

There were seven companies - you've omitted the Glasgow & South Western and the North British (Waverley route to Edinburgh) - eight if you include occasional services by the Furness Railway. All rather lost on a photographer with a heavy bulky plate camera.

[@macjim]

You’d think they’d have utilised that LNER train to take passengers to Newcastle rather than run it empty stock.

[@schoolshorts]

I'm sure there will be half-a-dozen legal reasons why they can't do that! And, of course, Northern's diesel units were running their regular Newcastle service as usual.

[@adriancarter2863]

@@schoolshorts There’s also some ScotRail 156’s that now run through to Newcastle Central off the old G&SWR via Dumfries. GNER have made it quite clear that they wish to stop running ALL Train Services north of Newcastle-upon-Tyne, so that they can release Stock for the more lucrative York-London KX portion of the ECML. Now that East Linton Station in East Lothian and Reston Station in the Scottish Borders have opened this year, GNER are hoping to convince the DTp to finance some NOVA DMU’s for ScotRail, to allow them to take over the northern part of their franchise between Newcastle and Aberdeen Edinburgh Glasgow and Inverness. Trans-Pennie are backing GNER’s bid as they also want to dispose of their Newcastle Edinburgh obligations due to chronic Staffing problems. Trans-Pennie have suggested to the DTp that the ScotRail Units be tagged onto the end of their NOVA procurement program.

[@ivansbacon]

CHAOS ? Inconvenience is not chaos. It was great to see that engine.

[@golden.lights.twinkle2329]

I wonder what those wooden logs are going to be used for (4:00)? I love travel by train. When I was a young boy we travelled from Coventry to Blyth, Northumberland by train to visit relatives. The Blyth station was closed in 1964 and demolished in 1972.

[@schoolshorts]

I believe Blyth station is due to reopen in 2024. The logs are used to manufacture hardboard at Chirk, on the Welsh border.

[@davidowen6977]

Oh heck,what a mess. But not the video...... cinematography 🌟 My favourite moment 11:52

[@schoolshorts]

My camera had been left running for several minutes in order to catch that moment! Couldn't have afforded to do that in the Super-8 film days. Best wishes.

[@MrPeerum]

🚋how white is this track? 143.5?

[@alisonfairbank9484]

Loved the video. Electric, diesel and steam all in one day. I was hoping to travel around Britain by train when I retire. I think that I'll need to be prepared for anything. Not too keen on travelling on the old trains. Slam doors were phased out for good reason Also those old carriages don't fare well in accidents. And don't get me started on the toilets 🙄

[@schoolshorts]

You do seem to have rather mixed feelings about the railways, Alison. I've been travelling on them since 1945 and, if anything, prefer the older stock to the modern. However - enjoy your round-Britain trip when it finally happens. Best wishes.

[@63DAVEMAC]

The new trains are so ugly now, going private was the worst that happened to British Railways. As I am an ex Railwayman.

[@Quebecoisegal]

A steam locomotive never fails to impress, what a beauty!

[@schoolshorts]

Thank you - a magnificent machine!

[@thirdengineer]

Interesting video Tim you were on the ball as usual amidst all the Chaos . What caused the wires to fail at Beattock ? Was it wind rain or what. Proffesional production as usual thanks. Glad to see the MN redeemed itself after the failure on Tuesday! It was even 15 minutes early at Hellifield on the return! Cheers Brian

[@schoolshorts]

- - see Les Gilpin's comment - I'm in no position to confirm it, I'm afraid - haven't been able to find anything online. Thanks for your kind remarks - best wishes.

[@cedarcam]

@@schoolshorts I heard it was one of the Trans Pennine units that brought the wires down There were still delays he morning after (Today)

[@thirdengineer]

@@schoolshorts You are welcome Tim my friend hope to meet you at Carlisle sooner or later Brian

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

I've often seen goods traffic on the platform roads at Citadel. Why is that?

[@schoolshorts]

The two inner roads were not designed for the sheer length of modern freightliners - and also have quite tight curves at their entrances and exits which might well require an even stricter speed limit than that which already applies through the Citadel. Many of the long distance freights change drivers at Carlisle and it's easier, quicker and safer to have the replacement man waiting on the platform.

[@ianrichards5208]

I was on the Dalesman that day but there’s something i don’t understand as I’m not an enthusiast, just a bit interested, so maybe you can help? How did they turn the train around? I expected the engine to move to the front for the return journey to Skipton and either run backwards or go off to a turntable somewhere but our carriage position and seat orientation remained the same which suggests the whole train did a full loop which I didn’t think happened. Where / how did they do it?

[@schoolshorts]

On a quiet day (see kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4SZlnSdmst8i9E) the empty stock is left in the station whilst the steam locomotive moves off to Upperby depot for servicing before using the triangle to the Newcastle line to reverse back into the station. Today however, the situation required removing the entire train as quickly as possible to free up space so the whole set was taken down to Upperby - not an uncommon manoeuvre. Turntables, I'm afraid, are a thing of the past. The only ones that I know of in Cumbria are on the narrow-gauge Ravenglass and Eskdale Railway.

[@ianrichards5208]

@@schoolshorts Ahh, thanks very much for that, I was expecting facing forwards on the return so was surprised (and a bit disappointed) to go backwards both ways. I thought the turntables had gone, the only ones I’ve seen are at York museum and Barrow Hill

[@johnkeepin7527]

@@ianrichards5208 There is a working one at Minehead on the West Somerset Railway, but they also have a triangle at the Norton Fitzwarren end of the line, so steam specials from elsewhere can have the locomotive reversed for the journey back. There is also one at Churston on the Paignton & Dartmouth Railway, which is occasionally used for specials to Kingswear from elsewhere.

[@nigelrg1]

Looks like a normal day to me. Perhaps proposing Carlisle to Glasgow via Newcastle is a bit abnormal (overseas readers may consult their maps here!). All announcements come from a selection of 10 that are randomly rotated - points failure, wires down ...

[@schoolshorts]

Sadly, recently this IS becoming the norm at Carlisle.

[@naplion123]

All ways good to see steam on the modern rails

[@schoolshorts]

Agreed - though the authorities seem to have mixed feelings on the matter.

[@graemedurie9094]

The dog at the 12 minute mark is closely supervising in the hope that it can restore order.

[@schoolshorts]

Two dogs - always to be found at Carlisle station so their owner if there's a steam train visiting

[@graemedurie9094]

@@schoolshorts Thanks

[@malcolmmarzo2461]

Great video work. A question from the U.S. Why did Europe keep the chain-and-buffer system instead of adopting the automatic coupler?

[@schoolshorts]

Our passenger trains all have automatic couplers. The freight trains frequently have to negotiate very tight curves in yards and depots and the old way works better!

[@luisstransport]

Great video

[@schoolshorts]

Thanks Luis - glad you enjoyed it. Best wishes.

[@xr6lad]

@ 8:10. The guy setting up the dining car cutlery seemed to have a care factor of zero common sense if he seemed to not be able to get something as simple as the cutlery straight.

[@schoolshorts]

Playing a game of cutlery chess perhaps?

[@tamarab5751]

We're all nervous when we're being filmed! ;)

[@NickGarswood]

Unusually it looks like they turned the complete train. So the premier dining passengers were at the very back of train for the whole trip. Not where you'd want to be for a steam charter if you'd paid all that money for a premier dining ticket!

[@schoolshorts]

Yes, given the congestion within the station, two out of three platforms occupied by stranded trains, they were desperate to clear the stock out of Platform 4 and release one track for incoming trains. It's not that uncommon for the entire train to be reversed - perhaps, in hot weather with windows open, there's something to be said for not having smoke and cinders blowing into your expensive meal!

[@NickGarswood]

@@schoolshorts Yes you're probably right Tim! As a regular steam charter passenger and enthusiast, the thing I miss when at the back is the clear and glorious sound of the engine working hard you get if at the front!

[@MrOldmeg]

I am sure the signalers earned their keep with all that chaos, but fun to watch from afar. JohnK.

[@schoolshorts]

I had a long chat with a signalman on the day - but he was from Haltwhistle so could only look on with amusement. It must have been fun in the Carlisle box! Best wishes.

[@michaelhunt4445]

Chaos in CARLISLE? Well what a surprise.

[@schoolshorts]

LOL!

[@CrossfellRailwayVideos]

What a saga!

[@schoolshorts]

- - - just very glad that I wasn't travelling that day.

[@thebritishengineer8027]

Can someone tell me why such iconic locamotives from the great railway companies such as the LMS "the Dutches" and LNER's 4472 have had their stunning liveries replaced by British Railways "turd" green...?? From a novice point of view, it seems such a shame.

[@schoolshorts]

Aesthetics is always a matter of personal taste - one man's meat as they say - and the liveries are changed from time to time (Sir Nigel currently in wartime black). On the nostalgia side, how many people are still alive who can actually remember them in "big four" colours?

[@thebritishengineer8027]

@@schoolshorts Me, sadly but your right it's a matter of taste. Just let me know when they paint the Dutches back in her proper colours :)

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@thebritishengineer8027 * duchess

[@thebritishengineer8027]

@@steveluckhurst2350 I built my first car a 1972 classic MGB Roadster, came up with/developed/marketed/project managed Octobus that saw me close a £750,000 deal when I was 23. I took HD video upscaling to JVC in 2003, 4 years before the first Blue Ray Players. I worked out how to pump crude oil from railcars at minus 40 cheaply & effectively for the Russians..... My spelling, well I can't get everything right.

[@steveluckhurst2350]

@@thebritishengineer8027 Don't take offence. If nobody points out your error, you will continue in blissful ignorance.

[@alistairkewish651]

And…… the Carlisle- Newcastle line is diesel only. Not a lot of help.time it was electrified.

[@triodehexode]

No if they had kept the Waverly route open .... Bloody short sighted Car lobby of the 60s. I am sure others can comment on alternative routes available in the cuts has not been so deep.

[@schoolshorts]

Alas - life is full of "if onlys".

[@LeslieGilpinRailways]

Seems 397 from Edinburgh brought the wires down!

[@schoolshorts]

- - - TPE - - - as if they haven't caused enough mayhem already!

[@tango6nf477]

Hi Tim, very interesting video thanks. Am I right in thinking that one of the busiest main lines in the country was brought to a complete standstill because a line came down or did I misunderstand? If so it might be a good idea to retain a few diesels for such emergencies.

[@schoolshorts]

Electric traction has many advantages - speed, cleanliness, quietness etc - but if the overhead is damaged then yes, alas, everything grinds to a halt until the damage is repaired

[@adriancarter2863]

@@schoolshorts What happened to all the “Thunderbird’s”? Used to keep some 31’s & 37’s in ‘warm storage’ on the Stabling Lines to the south & west of Citadel station for such an emergency. Wonder why the GNER Azuma left ECS to Newcastle Central? Could have taken 350+ Scottish passengers forward to the ECML. Maybe didn’t want to help a rival company!? Also the Down Avanti Pendolino ECS movement - was that heading for Whitemoor Yard for Stabling to help clear Carlisle Citadel Station?

[@schoolshorts]

@@adriancarter2863 Spare locos? - Heavens! - the accountants would have a fit. The Azuma was on a driver training run - almost certainly no guard on board and, like the "Green" pendolino, was running before the wires were brought down and a difficult situation became truly chaotic. The pendo would have been running to Glasgow where, hopefully, it would have a full crew available to operate its scheduled southbound service - well, that would have been the intention but the downed wires would have put an end to the plan. What a day!

[@divyajnana]

Everything old is new again, go British Rail!!!

[@schoolshorts]

Wish that applied to me!

[@gilbertfranklin1537]

You'd have to replay this at 4x speed to actually see the "chaos"... 🙄

[@josephcooksley3219]

Goid olde Carlisle Station always totally kous

[@davidratcliffe2523]

not electrified to newcastl

[@schoolshorts]

'fraid not and can't see it happening in the near future.

[@alistairkewish651]

Not a very good time for the catenary to throw a wobbly.

[@schoolshorts]

Is there ever a good time?

[@foxylady1048]

No wonder there is a drop in train passengers in this country when there is so much chaos happening.

[@schoolshorts]

Ah - but it's not like that EVERY day!

[@tooleyheadbang4239]

I wasn't aware of a drop...

[@taliesin8192]

They advertise the Global Warming BO LLOX on trains - FFS !

[@dmisso42]

What IS THAT WOMAN SAYING. I'm PRETTY suss on accents but I have no fucking idea what she's saying. Maybe it's not English?

[@schoolshorts]

Most of the loudspeakers at Carlisle station are very clear - one or two produce a somewhat confused sound - but I have rarely struggled to understand. The majority of the announcements these days are done by a computer in standard received pronunciation.