35km PTP in Manila

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A subscriber sent in an interesting 35km point to point scenario and asked what my opinion was on which equipment to use. Well - here's my opinion. Take it or leave it.
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[@dave_dennis]

I watched this video because it mention Manilla. My company ( AMS ) has a test site there which I visit quite often. I literally laughed out loud when you mentioned Calamba. This is exactly where our test site is located! This is a highly industrial area with many of the big names in electronics represented there. This made the video even more interesting to me. Thanks!

[@markedisan4993]

I'm from Philippines too and an avid fan of yours. I learn a lot from you. Thank you for helping!

[@kristof007]

Looking to setup a PtP link between two points, 99% over water at around 19-20 miles. This was ridiculously informative. We are most likely going to go with the 5XHD with the 34 dBi dish. Thanks!!

[@over-engineered]

I did a 31Km link in the UK (UK power level) using a pair of airFiber 5U’s a few years ago. Worked great, about 90Mbps full duplex.

[@magisterclassicus3473]

This helps me with my idea here at Baguio City PH thanks Chris!

[@8bittech458]

Your the best brother, i learn a lot from your videos.

[@yngvenystrand167]

My first thought was, how would heavy rain affect the throughput? At this distance, it should have a significant effect. Would it cut off the link totally?

[@helemvinsmoke1360]

Thanks for the advice Chris, I also have a 51km PTP project in mind and I am also looking at the same devices. I was hesitant at first but I'm now confident after watching how you did the stuff, same technique. Good job, keep up the good work. :)

[@luigidimagnaong1141]

Goodluck to me also :D Almost the same distance with yours and im lucky enough that its 2.5k ft higher from the main tower

[@duranopaulo]

What is the speed at 50km?

[@rschrader]

Excellent and interesting walkthrough Chris

[@chrizaly2743]

Hello watching from Philippines.

[@emilparica4774]

Welcome to the Philippines @Crosstalk Solutions

[@bogingnetworx2956]

I'm from Mindanao Chris. I love all your videos.

[@yourpcmd]

Will you do a video on the UniFi Dream Machine? Please!

[@CrosstalkSolutions]

I'll do a video on it if I ever get one in my office!

[@BimboBlade]

We have done many links across that area in Laguna even farther.. Tell Nas to contact us. We are one of ubnt resellers in The Philippines.

[@irveenedayyperalta3319]

this person is legit.

[@davelodia9157]

Sir Bimbo meron kayo unifi video G3 PRO?

[@montanerusop6587]

hello sir, can I have your email account or contact no.?

[@xuniluser]

Can i have your contact number and email account? I'm interested in buying AirFiber 5XHD

[@therealb888]

@@irveenedayyperalta3319 fake account spotted!

[@TWFsecurity]

Many thanks, this is very helpful This video open my eye on many things

[@techmaster170]

I recently ordered an airmax gigabeam 60ghz with backup 5ghz antennas. Im going to go about 500 feet from the house to a shop. I want as close to a gigabit as possible. I recently got fiber internet and im jumping from 100Mbps down/up to gigiabit because they lowered the price on that tier. And id like to get as close to that as I can also in the shop. I thought about trying to run a fiber cable, but decided against it. I really wanted to play with some ptp antennas. My idea of a fun project.

[@ivancortez5437]

id rather go with the higher frequency.high frequency spectrum in the Philippines is today not yet regulated much.Even the 5ghz spectrum is not regulated enough, the reason why WISPs are now common in the Philippines.the most regulated spectrum as of now is the LTE and radio frequency.

[@marakaantony280]

How and why will one click thumbs down?? or we can attribute it to parallax error!!

[@johnlacey3857]

Maybe I’m missing something... but where’s the analysis of things like antenna patterns (for both transmit and receive antennas), pointing error and sensitivity, total transmit power, power reduction due to inverse square law signal spreading, estimated rain fades, estimated interference from other signals and noise, gain at receive antenna, G/T of receiver LNA, effective C/No and Eb/No, modulation and coding types, .... in other words, an actual link budget?

[@brkbtjunkie]

John Lacey the simulation takes those variables into account most likely

[@macexpert7247]

If you choose the LTU with the highest gain antenna you will have less interference because of the much smaller beam with and higher s/n ratio. This should give you the best chance of utilizing the 100mhz bandwidth.

[@centinelasov7574]

are you experience with AF5HD LTU??

[@muroojn7997]

How to make a simulation to check for example datarate, throughput, packet loss, etc. for these equipments

[@PedroMatabuena]

How would it be if there is a mountain in the middle and I need to go around it without having to put an antenna on the top because it is not viable? Do we have to put two antennas at each point (station), one connects with the previous point and the other with the next point? connected together with a switch in each station to connect both antennas in each station? I hope I have made myself understood. Thank you!

[@TheMitchOwen]

Looks like it would be mounted on a building so that 82 ft might be easier to get to.

[@techguy3424]

I've got a ptmp that I'm wanting to set up to bring some other building's in the company online and get rid some ISP contracts. The furthest building is 1000ft away through some trees. One thing I see in the link planning tool is that for the source side is that there is both device height and Ref height can you explain the difference between them?

[@mkalamwanyasi9204]

suppose I have 500 mbps and i would like to share it with 10 sub networks of each having 50 mpbs ? is there a way i can share that internet wireless.

[@raullaguros778]

Globe have already Air Fiber 5G in the Philippine.

[@mohsinhassan88]

Awesome video.. Im curious if I wanted more bandwidth in the same scenario what would be my options? Would having a pair of the airfiber on each end mean double bandwidth?

[@zapityzapzap]

Only if you have some form of link aggregation in play.

[@marcdowrich4720]

Hi There, Thanks for your informative video. Is there any other radio which will give poin to point 1GiG for shorter distance other than the airFibre5XHD

[@silveralsr]

Hello Chris, could I use two Litebeam AC gen2's for a PTP 2.5KM setup? Clear line of sight.

[@nyomanaryawan2682]

If the Line Of Sight from both site is clear with google earth, is it possible to use 5XHD + AF-5G30-S45 for 50km range distance?

[@ammarabed95]

Hi , what is the best link option for 6km distance in noisy environment with capacitance of 500 MPs , thank you.

[@davidcorpuz2919]

Just wanna ask if I can use a single tp link cpe220 plug in directly to my extra router(connected to my pc via lan) to connect directly to my main wifi (router) without another cpe220? Thanks!

[@tracyr5594]

very nice, be interested to hear how this guy turned out.

[@mustafiziiuc]

for a P2P connection of 50 km range can i pass 10Gbps internet through Air fiber X ?

[@forex-chart-analysis-daily]

i want 50 km point to point link but line of sight is not clear wich device i can use

[@HG-mt3vl]

Great video. Like the shirt.

[@randyatibagos3591]

Hi! What kind of power beam is this that can reach 35 kilometers?

[@CjpMx]

Chris your´re a Genius!!

[@tokoiaoben3842]

Can you show us how can you aim and point the two AirFiber 5 XHDs in both ends to face each other perfectly in such a long distance ? Is there a special tool we need to get the correct alignment for the azimuth and the elevation ?

[@futurecactus]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooqtd6qOrJaNf8U With great difficulty if you ask Linus.

[@steveritchie1301]

Doesn’t curvature of the earth have an affect on it?

[@gabriellalande2249]

it does a bit but the microwave doesn't travel in straight line

[@johnlacey3857]

Steve Ritchie I would hope that software he’s using would take that into account.

[@lostconflict9369]

The distance is great but not so great for this to have an effect. As one person said microwaves don't exactly travel in straight lines. And as another person said, the software does kinda take it into consideration. If you put two antenna far enough away for shits and giggles that little grey diagram at the bottom will being to show a curve

[@athomft]

35km is approximately 22 miles dear americans

[@markanthonyencela805]

Hi Sir. where can i Find a full online training courses for becoming Wisp. Beginner to Expert. only online courses because i am out in Philippines. thanks hope for your responce.

[@RETRO-CONSOLE-GAMER]

Mate love your vids. I have learn so much from you. I have a question. Can you use any POE CCTV camera on the unifi system.. Thanks

[@lostconflict9369]

Yes you can, just need a poe switch

[@denp9949]

In p2p, so the connection is between antennas and not on the router?

[@bananafoneable]

Oh man I'm flying to Manila now!

[@Martin-ot7xj]

Hi there, please make a tutorial video about what is different between 11 dbi and 30 dbi and 35 dbi, if we use 30 dbi what is benefits with 35 dbi? Thnx

[@helemvinsmoke1360]

if im not mistaken, dbi represents power of the device, range or gain.

[@lostconflict9369]

@@helemvinsmoke1360 You could say it's power tbh. Typically you'll want to use higher dbi values unless your devices are too close for that value. You can imagine it as how loud your devices are speaking to each other, and if your dbi value is too high and the devices are relatively close. It's kinda pointless because they're essentially shouting down each others ears. But a higher dbi value will typically result in a better signal, resulting in better throughput. That's why i was disappointed to not see him play around with the dbi values @ 24ghz. But at that range 24ghz isn't working for anyone lmao. Connection would be so weak, sneezing would affect it.

[@duranopaulo]

Strong signal plus long distance.

[@AnoNymous-lp5tb]

I am from Philippines but live in California now with all my unifi toys. Yeah, I called it toys. lol. I am more concern on how long before someone snatch them. :D

[@jayfeecalubing559]

Sir what is the difference between radio and Antenna in terms of P2P?

[@NeelNarayan]

could you possibly recommended hardware for me for cordinates from 28.643649,77.369212 to 28.650538,77.426418 ?

[@denp9949]

Just a question, if we installed p2p wifi, can we change the router?

[@Errr717]

As an RF guy I’m surprised of your pronunciation of fresnel.

[@Alarabin]

What about af 3x Does af3x support the antenna of 5ghz

[@diavuno3835]

Isn't the airfiber5 also full duplex?

[@kuyavenzinfovlog]

kabayan it might be a disturbance about the waive because it will pass throughout the area with jammers

[@kuyavenzinfovlog]

my recommendation is to subscribe to sat isp for you to have good connections less than the expenses

[@winstonscentraltechnology4238]

i have a 42km link at the moment

[@Alarabin]

Hi crosstalk Which device is good for 400MBps data for a distance of 20KM

[@paologo928]

thanks for this video. i plan on installing a point-to-point setup. distance is about 3KM from my home to my office. airlink says there's line of sight but im concerned i wont be able to align the antennas properly. should i go with the PTMP or just work on the PTP setup? thanks!

[@mrmotofy]

Find somebody with a drone to fly the path and get a better view. That kind of distance usually needs towers or at least 1 very tall building

[@jasondasalla7087]

hello, crosstalk. I need your help. I'm planning to build a wireless point connection to provide a wifi connection to a specific location (5 locations). approximately 500-1000 end-users. what should i do, what are the best setup and devices to use.

[@mrmotofy]

Pay for a consultation with him. He can't help millions of people for free

[@gabriellalande2249]

well with my experience with the airfiber24 I would not use that.. they are way too ''sensitive'' a fly could cut the signal

[@lostconflict9369]

Lmao, that's 24ghz for you

[@gecko1131]

Wow, Nice project...

[@h520gaming3]

can be ubiquiti product be a access point for other cpe product for point to point connection ?

[@proximateo]

24GHz at 22 miles.... lol. Hope no one sneezes.

[@alexlowe30]

was thinking that, good luck over 5-6km lol

[@anathma]

Ya there is no way that 24 GHz will work at that distance. Even if it connected by a miracle on a clear day, even fog would destroy that link.

[@kuyavenzinfovlog]

i agree with you anathema

[@cvictor8999]

will that body of water cause trouble from second path interference off reflection?

[@mrmotofy]

Yep it does cause problems

[@tobyport5873]

be great to find out if Nez ever told you what he ended up doing

[@Shell260]

I subscribed because the word of MANILA

[@yj5225]

Have you personally ever done this distance

[@mediacoregroupph]

Installing in a government building will have problems with permissions.

[@LDidYouKnow]

To start a WISP do you need access to fiber or there is another way?

[@futurecactus]

You need enough bandwidth to actually sell which is usually from fiber but if you can get it through cable or some other way, then that should work too.

[@carlb641]

I wonder if it's licensed. If NTC will know about this, GG.

[@AndrewWells527]

24GHz is licensed? Their website says it's an unlicensed freq.

[@johnlacey3857]

Andrew Wells Laws can be different from one country to another. What’s open and unlicensed in US (FCC) May be completely different in the Philippines.

[@luigidimagnaong1141]

You need to get a license here in PH to use those.

[@mrmotofy]

@@luigidimagnaong1141 But do they really have the Spectrum Police hunting people down...I doubt it

[@luigidimagnaong1141]

@@mrmotofy usually its the businessmen who paid for the license reports it . sometimes there's 1 agency here who conducts surprise inspections. The penalty is kinda hefty

[@luigidimagnaong1141]

@@mrmotofy i actually know a guy who runs this business without even paying for a license but he himself is kinda afraid now. He's trying to get a license as of now

[@jtr1227]

Rules in the Philippines is simple. Show me the money! Might be different now though.

[@panglaotravel385]

Taguig City sir

[@kyohisro1]

red red red channel possible :)

[@WPayne19]

not to be that guy... but it is pronounced "fur-nell"

[@dave_dennis]

Billy Payne I’ve always known it to be pronounced more like fra-nel. But I’m from Texas and you have to take that accent into consideration. 😛 Either way the S is definitely silent.

[@WPayne19]

@@dave_dennis I don't hear myself say it as strongly as FUR, but the key point here is the lack of "s" haha.

[@markdee3506]

Absolutely wrong, water is never good!

[@rdwnisme]

you've consider land curvature 🤭 if Earth is really round 🤔

[@ismaelzz]

It does seem to consider it, look at the bottom of the fresnel diagram again.

[@williambelsches9707]

@@ismaelzz roughly 8 inches per mile ( 16' 6" in this scenario), so not sure if that small of a distance makes that much difference when one side is 500 feet up.

[@gabriellalande2249]

microwave doesnt travel in straight line .. and dont forget thats that more an engeneer tool than a tech one..

[@johnlacey3857]

Microwaves DO travel in straight lines, just like any other form of electromagnetic radiation. However such waves exhibit diffraction, in which they appear to bend somewhat around objects in their paths. You can say that in a situation like this that the earth’s curvature is minimal. But you can’t simply say that microwaves don’t travel in straight lines and shrug your shoulders and be done with it.

[@gabriellalande2249]

@@johnlacey3857 well with I know and did with microwave I can tell you that the way the signal travel is gonna be more like a gust .. yes its gonna depend what kind of dish you are going to use the frenel is not going to be the same..

[@manthing1467]

Philippines top export: Wives... Love my Filo wife :P