39: Detroit Mob Vs New York Mob with Gunner | Last Show of the Year

Tom chatted with Gunner Lindbloom who is related to mob royalty from the Detroit Mob. We discuss the major differences between the Detroit Crime Family vs. the famed NYC Five Families. The Detroit Mob is strong due to 5-6 factors that we breakdown on the show. Do you think the Detroit LCN can hold a candle to the five families in NYC. Drop your comments below.
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[@michelina75]

Incredible interview! Gunner's hilarious! He talks so fast & mentions so many names that I got a bit lost sometimes. LOL! I watch a lot mob vids, but just when I thought I had heard so much dirt already, there's always more! And, I'm sure there's still soooo much more than we know. Anyway, thank you Tom for another entertaining guest. 😀

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

😄 Great comment Michelle gunnar is hilarious 💯

[@Beantownpatsy]

Gummer has Liarbedes

[@aa-xv7tb]

99.9% chance this guy is lying, like with most these people but still an entertaining story nonetheless.

[@davepett6531]

Yep he is making shit up as he goes .

[@Chicagofellow15]

Was an interesting year tom. Im looking forward to all you have planned for 2022. Happy Holidays!

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Grazie Benny

[@josephsierzengaIV]

Detroit Partnership is the real deal💯

[@joedimaggio6261]

It's done. It's been done since around the late 1990s

[@Frosty98206]

They Know how to Conduct themself's & Handle there Business Appropriately without attracting too Much Spotlight which is hard in Tech Era, Hardly here any news bout them only recently been in the Headlines with Something to do with Jackie the Kid which is Few Months Old or even yr Old.

[@josephsierzengaIV]

@@Frosty98206 Jackie was in the news for 5 different circumstances recently to fairly recently .. 1. Being that he successfully Sued the state of Nevada for $30M 2. A few months later the IRS files against Giacolone for back taxes and not paying the tax on the law suite. 3. Phil Michelson the pro golfer is outted as being $500K in debt to a bookie closely associated with Giacolone. 4. Although no legal action were taken a Giacolone crew member went to Federal Jail for defrauding the Government out of over $1M in Covid-19 Relief Bill funds from a small Pizza Chain called PassPort Pizza. 5. Giacolone went to court on the IRS case and wrote a check of 6figures as the minimal payment towards his back taxes.

[@UncleJunior240]

Lindbloom is just like Anthony Raimondi

[@davidneumann5175]

You're closing out the year well. I'm from Saginaw MI so I enjoy Gunner, knew a lot of Greek 'subcontracters' 50 years ago. This was a very good show and the Alite fact-check show was well done. Hope next year is prosperous for all ya.

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Thanks for the comment 👍

[@codywaligursky8873]

Can you explain the Detroit families reach? Upper Michigan, Indiana, Canada??? Thanks. Great podcast.

[@gunnerdetroit]

They reach to Canada and St Louis. A few places in between.

[@joedimaggio6261]

@@gunnerdetroit basically the whole northern hemisphere is under their control

[@chrisn1333]

he doesn't know he made all this up. watch MOBSTER CHRONICLES gummer has been exposed scott burnstein exposes him also

[@davepett6531]

I find it very odd that he doesn’t know that Tony Tocco is married to Joe Profacci daughter . Question what this man says folks

[@bostonp3931]

I thought you were getting away from the Mob genre Tom. Was that all BS as an excuse to why you dropped JP?

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Hi Boston, I said that I’m done with mob drama and will be covering mob topics as I also covering business topics as well. Thanks for the comment

[@jimce2799]

This classic pic of Tony Jack with the plad sports coat and iconic '70's look always makes me think of Les Nesman from WKRP in Cincinnati. Of course I would never had said that to his face though

[@BigMac-dp9wj]

Damn last of the year? Enjoy a well deserved break , Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Ty

[@thecaptain4650]

Great show as usual,have a merry Christmas Tom!

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Same to you buddy

[@SaintTyrone134]

Good show

[@vincentgarrett6764]

Happy Holidays to you and yours.

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Thanks for the comment 👍

[@ryanevans126]

Uask good questions Tom ur a good interviewer

[@joshmoore3127]

GUNNER IS TALKING ABOUT THE FELIX WALLS STORY!!

[@gunnerdetroit]

It’s Feonis

[@josephsierzengaIV]

Makes sense Tom would have an interest in the Detroit LCN given all his business savvy and interest in Organized Crime.. The Detroit LCN is a perfect combination of two. FYI: the hit man from the “Ritz” was outta NY… on his way back to NY he was killed by a Giacolone crew member just to make sure there were no loose ends. Cold blooded 💯

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Wow, amazing

[@joedimaggio3687]

Stop looking up to criminals.

[@davegrillo3129]

Great interview

[@billjordan3952]

I am born and raised in Detroit still living here never heard of Gunner I got nothing against the guy but he won't shut the hell up he talks too fast and he's all over the place

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

I appreciate you taking the time to comment. I found him insightful as a guest. There was a learning here and that was what I was trying to illustrate

[@kcdetroit4685]

Gunner was a low level associate, but is 100% telling the truth. There's a lot of people involved with the life in Detroit you don't know, trust me.

[@jace5471]

@@kcdetroit4685 If Gunner was any kind of legit guy he wouldn't be best pals with Larry Mazza & John Alite. Legit guys hate rats period. He claims to of been locked up did he associate with Rats in jail? He tells people Google his name but sets up the website's and writes about himself. Anyone can do that, it's not like any newspaper mentioned his name ever if so he'd have it post believe that. He's a liar

[@jace5471]

@Bill Jordan This idiot is as fake as a $3 bill. He made websites up about himself. He's delusional, I think he's been telling this b.s. for do long he actually believes it. He claims to be related to all these big mob guys, I asked him to show a picture since he said they was at his house eating dinner every week has to be one somewhere, I got blocked.

[@kcdetroit4685]

@@jace5471 Don’t tell me about what you don’t know. I’m from Sterling Heights MI. I have known and been around a lot of the same people Gunner knows. Scott Bernstein is a mob historian, and has validated Gunners past. If you don’t like him, whatever. But he’s telling the truth about his family and connections. As far as liking Larry, who gives a shit. They are both out of that life for a very long time, or they wouldn’t be on KZbin. Come on man…

[@DCRACKA]

Great interview!

[@keepingitoldschool721]

Awesome show guys.. Merry Christmas to u and all ur loved ones.. God Bless!!!

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Thanks 🙏

[@BostonsF1nest]

I love that Ritz Carlton hit story. It’s probably the greatest mafia hit ever.

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Agreed

[@gunnerdetroit]

I’d have to agree. How could you tip that?

[@t.t.thenorwegian288]

He's amazing narcissist

[@danielb27]

Its sad how people fall for it

[@gunnerdetroit]

Thank you

[@brewcity2317]

I was somewhat surprised on a different podcast to find out how violent and murderous the Detroit mafia(s) were in their early years, until those warring clans united to form the one and single Detroit Partnership. Prior to that they may have been one of the most gun fighting mafia towns. They were dropping bodies all over. But Detroit has always been a tough town.

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

👍

[@gunnerdetroit]

Post prohibition they haven’t been too violent. But there had been it’s share of violence. I know if a handful of murders that weren’t really investigated as mob murders. But they are. I know three myself. Associates who pushed the wrong way. One talked too much .One ratted on his non mob coke dealer. I can’t talk about these stories but I think even Burnstien doesn’t know if these murders. He only knows the declared by the Feds mob murders. But for the most part, they avoid violence. Wasn’t a lot of violent guys. I was one of them. That’s why the brass liked me. I was known for violence because Tony Jack ha DNR beat his goomar’s ex. Demolished the guy. So he told the old men. So they started using me for muscle. Or they used the bikers and Chadians for muscle. But they try to keep it quite. Which means low violence

[@brewcity2317]

@@gunnerdetroit, Oh, I am quite confident the Detroit mafia even after the partnership was formed which dramatically reduced violence to skyrocket business and profits, used violence. Detroit as a whole has been a tough and violent time long as I can remember. So, for a criminal outfit to survive there they at minimum will have to resort to violence occasionally.

[@gunnerdetroit]

@@brewcity2317 yes you’re right. But it’s a last result saved usually for big mouths and possible rat associates. There has only been one made rat to flip. Only one. They could kill jim now but imagine the heat. Guy in WISTC found murdered? Imagine the fed’s responses guy isn’t worth it. But best believe they know his WISTC name. I leaned it while still in prison. Boss called off the $250k contract after he did his little 18 months. Nove couldn’t come to Detroit while Jack Tocco was alive. Now he comes back from (I won’t say) to visit his family. Boss says he doesn’t want to see him. But yes, the threat of violence has always been enough. Most guys are family. Detroit is by far the slickest at cultivating powerful assets. That’s why the thrive. Weave their power into the political infrastructure. Cops. Judges. Prosecutors. Billionaires. Media. That’s how they thrive and remain low key

[@brewcity2317]

@ roughly the 37ish minute mark: I concur with Gunner fully on that standard of success, Earthly success at least. Wherein that don of Detroit resides the opposite side of the grave I do not know. But in terms of what could be passed down this side of the grave he had to be one of the most successful mafia dons in Cosa Nostra history. Some mobtuber followers are more fascinated with serial murdering and torture than with what a silver fox can pass down to his grandchildren.

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Buy Gunner's Book and Merch here: www.gunnerdetroit.com/

[@ryanevans126]

When u met up with John few times did u ever bump into any current mob guys and that guy u seen in the cafe who knew pennissi do u think he watches ur and John's shows

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

@@ryanevans126 Ryan, I’m unable to answer that

[@ryanevans126]

@@NewTheoryMagazine OK understand mate do u still speak to John I don't think he likes me nomore he keeps ignoring me when message that's his choice I'm not bothered

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

@@ryanevans126 Hey Ryan, I am not going to comment on other creators.

[@ryanevans126]

@@NewTheoryMagazine OK mate

[@jessemalott7103]

Really good show guys

[@Chicagofellow15]

Did the detroit mob have connections to the rizzuto family in canada

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Really, interesting

[@detroitboss7342]

No. They were mainly in Southern Ontario, just across the river from Detroit

[@kcdetroit4685]

I don't think so.

[@BostonsF1nest]

Yes. Jack Tocco, Vic Amuso, Nicky Scarfo, Joe Massino, and Vito Rizzuto used to play hand ball together at the Southfield Athletic Club

[@Chicagofellow15]

@@BostonsF1nest interesting

[@driddo5k282]

You vin joe and Jason should link up and do another 4 horseman show after new years! You guys have great comradirie

[@Detroit_Siggy.]

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[@detroitboss7342]

What's up bro!? Read my comment above. Lindbloom's bullshitting time is coming to and end my friend.

[@dgainey3767]

Gunner Unleashed 😂

[@PrinceOfTheCity1]

I’ve actually read one of those short stories. It was good.. I’m not into fiction so i wouldn’t have time to read his books, but gunner is a good writer

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

He’s very knowledgeable yes

[@bama9837]

I heard gunner do a interview does he have a channel

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Yes

[@badapple9482]

Al's the man. He did dirt for Tony Giacolone, the guy who helped set up Jimmy Hoffa the greatest hit in mob history. Wheres Jimmy? Nobody knows lol. Al also wrote some good books.

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

😆

[@detroitboss7342]

Al's a MORON and a LIAR of highest magnitude.

[@BostonsF1nest]

Detroit pulled off two of the greatest mafia hits ever. The Ritz and Jimmy

[@josephsierzengaIV]

@@BostonsF1nest The “Ritz” hit was straight out of a movie💯

[@Beantownpatsy]

@@BostonsF1nest he did shit with Tony Jack or anyone. Check out Mob Chronicles

[@nyccrimespot]

Good information.

[@Michiganbigfoot]

This guy threw rocks at me

[@johnnybracciole5490]

Gunner real street guy

[@gunnerdetroit]

Than kid bud. Used to be. Now I’m a real Country boy. Just a nerdy writer who likes to fish and hunt .🤷🏻‍♂️

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

💯

[@marcbasil]

@@gunnerdetroitwhy don’t you talk about Chicago in your interviews…?

[@gunnerdetroit]

@@marcbasil I don't have much experience with Chicago. I knew a little crew from chicago that we swapped stolen merchandise with. They had a pawnshop down there, we had a pawnshop in Detroit. We had a larceny ring going on. I've told that story at some point. how on the first time we went down to Chicago to swap some merch, we went out with some chicago guys and they end up getting in a fight. Me and my two boys jumped in. Then when we were leaving the club some black dude pull the gun on my boy and my boy grabbed the gun and got shot in the hand. Still took the gun, and beat the dude's ass. Kept the gun. And didn't even go to the hospital. The bullet went through his palm and came out by his elbow. He didn't even go to the hospital. his name is Travis. He was Gangster F. My grandpa and some of the old men sometimes talked about Chicago. I knew they had friends there from the old days. But I didn't personally have any experience with chicago so I don't talk about it. I know they were doing the thing there. Same thing as in Detroit.there was a lot of mutual friends and connections. But I didn't really have any personal experiences with Chicago. I stick to what I know.

[@BigMac-dp9wj]

Tom...have you ever seen how much the Detroit guy Tony Lap makes the guy has had SERIOUS money for years ,and on top of it he sold a business,I believe it was a insurance agency but not 100% that I want to say brought him over. 100 million,possibly 3 mill if I remember correctly....regardless the guy is beyond a earner. Supposedly he has a big role in the family,would imagine he speaks through someone trusted,he's originally a Chicago guy who moved to Detroit and has some interests in Hamilton,which is a heavy mob town/city. All I know about Detroit is what I listen to or read,I was born and raised in NY and then moved to CT,so Im only familiar with the TriState area . Bottom line Detroit has some heavies ,a true secret society.....Quiet Money....I'd take a guess and say every made guy in the Detroit family has big money,some of those families are very very well off there are tons of associates and made guys with the same last name.

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

I heard of him.... i also would like to have Scott Bernstein on as well

[@josephsierzengaIV]

@@NewTheoryMagazine PLEASE DO!! Scott is Best!!!👌

[@gunnerdetroit]

Tony “Lop” is the underboss and a bad mfr. I try not to use his name. He was friends with my uncle Pete. Lop married my cousin. My mom’s cost cousin. Yes many of the made guys and associates all have the same last names. I talk about this a lot on my channel. You’ll have to read my books too. Lop sons his insurance company for $50 million. Then bought it back for $30. The company thag boughg ig bankrupted. Now Lop is selling it again. I can’t get into what they do. But it’s a money making gold mine. All above Baird. Sort of. I just got word last night about the magnitude of it. I was like wow! Detroit guys are college educated and business savvy. That’s what they are so differnt from other families. They don’t care about everyone knowing hey are mafia. The people who are supposed to know, know. They make their money, raise families, travel and enjoy life. then retire free men. Not in a cell. My grandpa never spent a day in jail. He was involved his whole life. Smart. You’d think these east coast guys would take a page from their book. I don’t expect the mob groupies to get it. They root for whoever comes from their area, and whoever is on TV and KZbin the most. Nothing like Detroit.

[@gunnerdetroit]

@@josephsierzengaIV burnstein will be on my show tonight, talking about the Philly mob, Ralf Natale, Phil Leonetti, and Merlino

[@josephsierzengaIV]

@@gunnerdetroit Fantastic! Two of the best in the business 💯

[@jono8884]

Like riding a bucking bronco Tom..........;)

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

😂

[@BostonsF1nest]

Bro that echo

[@bama9837]

Tom send me a way to contact you I have a lot of interesting stories I have sent you a idea about what Im going to do if your not interested let me know I will contact someone else I don't know anything about the COSA nostra just what I've seen and done in 70 years

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

You emailed me before tom @ newtheory.com

[@bama9837]

@@NewTheoryMagazine kk I'll send messages when I get back to the office

[@michaelhill4183]

🎄⛄🎅🎁

[@bama9837]

He seems to be truthful I would like to know more

[@lukebuckley7633]

He’s a difficult guy to interview, you can’t get a word in.

[@danielb27]

He is on something

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Hey Luke!

[@lukebuckley7633]

@@NewTheoryMagazine Hey Tom, hope you and Family had a good Christmas!

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

@@lukebuckley7633 same to you buddy and Happy New Year!

[@marcbasil]

How exactly is that a bad thing…? The host of a g00f mark 🎯 💯

[@brewcity2317]

A Detroit son: "Dad, you're going to marry me to my fat cousin?" A Detroit father replies: "That's the way of the Detroit mafia, son." And herein lies the biggest difference between Detroit and New York City. Notwithstanding the population size differences and the voice of Barbra Streisand ("NEW YORK! NEW YORK!).

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Also Milwaukee was old school for a bit too

[@brewcity2317]

@@NewTheoryMagazine, yes. Supposedly they all, or most of them, came from the same 4 or 5 nearby Sicilian towns in Sicily. But (LOL!) if they did intermarry to a same or similar degree no one from those Milwaukee families have gone nationally about cousins marrying and banging cousins with a West Virginia pride. That honor belongs to Detroit alone via its most widely known gangster historian Scott Bernstein.

[@gunnerdetroit]

LOL none of the people are blood related. 🙄 There are 4 million people in metro Detroit. Count that the run St Louis, Totanto, and Cleveland, you have more than Ny’s 8 million. One family. Not five. No rats. Bosses retire millionaires, not in cells doing life because their men ratted on them 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@josephsierzengaIV]

NY Family Bosses back in the day would have their daughters married off to Detroit guys 💯Fact

[@brewcity2317]

@@gunnerdetroit , Detroit did not run Cleveland or St. Louis.

[@jameskarins1717]

Gunner is related to jack tocco

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Yes

[@detroitboss7342]

@@NewTheoryMagazine NO he's NOT.

[@detroitboss7342]

NO he's NOT.

[@jace5471]

@@NewTheoryMagazine He is NOT

[@erichavedisian2655]

@@NewTheoryMagazine No. He isn't. He is just making up pure fiction. That's been proven. Just as a lot of English people are surnamed "Smith", Lindbloom took the fact that his mother's maiden name was "Tocco" and ran with it. He had a lot of time in prison to cook up these stories w/ no basis in reality. He never met the mobsters he talks about. No one has heard of this idiot and Scott Burnstein has now disavowed Lindbum. Think about it, a sophisticated and successful criminal conspiracy would employ blabber mouth Lindbloom? What value could Lindbum possibly bring to the organization? Muscle? Dime a dozen. Being able to fly under the radar and keep your moth shut is more important. Anyhow, his stories are 100% BS

[@victormorgan1690]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/b4vWiYuEiKyhqZY Paolo Di Lauro, Camorra boss

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Thanks for the comment 👍

[@victormorgan1690]

Antonio Pelle, 'Ndrangheta's boss kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXnbqqSLedZlpqs

[@NewTheoryMagazine]

Thanks for the comment 👍