Turbo Render vs the Classroom Scene. This is INSANE!

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Check out the insane results Turbo Render can produce when compared to the OPTIX and OIDN denoisers available from Blender's render settings. Also take a look at the jaw dropping additional features that come with Turbo Tools (which Turbo Render comes with).
By the way, in a new scene you wouldn't need to mess about with the compositor at all if you didn't want to, you can just turn it on and hit render with no messing about at all.

[@Lightly_Salted]

Thanks for the early warning. I've armed myself with a box of tissues and hope I need them. Love your vids Michael 👌🏻

[@3d-illusions]

Thanks. I was going to advise the viewer to ensure they had an old sock to hand if they weren't in the vicinity of a curtain, but I thought that might be going too far :D

[@neinons]

I bought it today and at first I was in doubt, because I've tried other renderers or similar addons, So I had a project to deliver and I couldn't finish renders in time. But with this, I had great results in minimum time. Its denoising capabilities are like magic.

[@stasorange]

with the same success, you can make an OIDN denoiser on each direct / inderect layer and it will be just as clean, and it’s also good in production to increase the resolution when denoising

[@3d-illusions]

The addon actually goes substantially beyond that in not only ensuring the best result, but also automating a massive amount of work and much more. Regarding the increasing of samples, in some engines I believe that's done automatically, known as the internal sampling resolution. Another tip if you do increase the resolution, then you can decrease the samples 4x for each doubling of the resolution to compensate. This ensures the same render time with no loss in quality. Personally I no longer do this, as with Turbo Render I'm able to maintain detail even at lower resolution, which is also beneficial for post processing times. 👍

[@SamMorseBrown]

just about the best intro to a product update I've ever seen :p

[@3d-illusions]

yeah 😁

[@rileyb3d]

This is very impressive.

[@jaromor8808]

Turbo Tools currently for £20 in case anyone was wondering

[@3d-illusions]

Yes, the price usually stays the same until major feature updates. 👍

[@jeffg4686]

Nice! 3D is evolving too quick to keep up with.

[@bigogle]

Love the idea of being able to render and composite simultaneously managing a single folder location. Does this work with multiple cache resolutions?

[@3d-illusions]

Well there are two types of cache, render layer cache (the cached render), and standard cache (the cache files for non render layer nodes). You can set the standard cache to different resolutions when you add them, but the render layer cache of different scenes can't be different resolutions when rendering them all from one compositor because blender doesn't seem to allow you to render different scenes at different resolutions simultaneously. You could render in 3 different blend files at different resolutions though, and providing the scene name, camera name, and view layer name are the same, then the refresh all button will import them into the 'master' blend file at whatever resolution they were rendered in.

[@robertYoutub]

Yeah the trick is to denoise and then multiple it with the color path, that contain the textures. I want to see high detailed, indirect lit interiors, just in white, maybe with glass… and no textures.. that kills each denoiser

[@3d-illusions]

if you send me a test scene to the support email together with a few example results you've had with other denoising solutions, i'll see if turbo render copes better than the other denoisers, because Turbo Render actually varies it's approach to denoising based on the scene and other settings, I suspect it will cope quite admirably. By the way, I think it was you that asked in the last video how it would cope with command line rendering, I've now added instructions on how to do this to the product page.

[@robertYoutub]

@@3d-illusions Yeah I was thinking about that. I can't really publish my work, do to my clients NDA, but I probably have build a sample scene.

[@3d-illusions]

@@robertYoutub ah cool. I think the results should be good because the statues scene was highly detailed with no textures, although that was mostly direct light, perhaps the issue you mention is caused by indirect. Let me know if you find a test scene and I'll give it a try for you 👍

[@3d-illusions]

@@robertYoutub I've just been testing this with the classroom scene with a single override material and all lights turned off except the sunlight so that it's nearly all indirectly lit, the slow mode gives better results than fast mode, but you're right, this is much harder for the denoiser. After some trial and error though, I've devised a way to get excellent results in that scenario. I'll do further testing and if it doesn't cause any issues I'll add it in for a future update, either as an option, or automatically.

[@ShebanFPV]

Hi! I have a couple of questions. 1. Can my rendered animation be saved as an image sequence with this add-on? 2. "To get the speed increase you need to lower the samples", this part is a bit confusing. if I let say render at 4096 samples, what sample count or preset should I choose for animations? Cheers :)

[@3d-illusions]

Yes you can, and you can even publish to ffmpeg or image sequence without needing to re-render because it generates an exr image sequence from which it re-publishes unlimited times . It’s recommended to render a small noise part of the image for a few frames to find the ideal samples preset.

[@jaromor8808]

aren't you the guy who was developing better snapping mode for Blender at one point?

[@3d-illusions]

Not guilty your honour 👍

[@yourpersonaldatadealer2239]

😂 that first line. Is the classroom file available on the blender site? I want to look through that compositor set up and steal any goodies

[@3d-illusions]

yes it's available here: www.blender.org/download/demo-files/ 👍 It's not the greatest compositor set up, but it's good for learning how to render multiple scenes at once.

[@ajubhaus8200]

Hey I've just started with blender a couple of months ago, so this will be a complete noob question. since I don't have the means to buy a competent computer for 3d I have to make it work with my Mac book pro. My question is. will this addon really render all my projects out at least 120x faster, than doing it with blenders render machine?

[@3d-illusions]

The biggest render time saving will be on scenes that take an hour upwards without denoising. The enhance textures option allows turbo to maintain high frequency textures that the render panel denoise options can't maintain even when providing them with images that have been rendered for 120x longer (as shown in the original video). Make sure you have sufficient specs to utilise the addon (these can be found on the product page).

[@ajubhaus8200]

Ok I have 3Ghz dual core processor intel i7 and 8GB Ram. Is it worth it for me to get the add on? it probably won't speed up to 920x but will it still significantly speed up my renders? saving time is really important at the moment until I get a new computer

[@ajubhaus8200]

I read the requirements specs and obviously my pc is below that but if it will still benefit me I would think about trying it. my files are pretty big and my Mac needs about 48 Hours to Render out a 90 frames animation. If I can get it down to a few hours that would already be a life saver.

[@3d-illusions]

@@ajubhaus8200 providing your specs are sufficient for your required resolution then you should get a saving. Be sure to use your own sample settings rather than the presets for animations, because they’re set up for still images. You’ll need higher samples for animations to avoid flicker. I can’t advise on what sample settings you’ll need for animations as it’s entirely scene dependant 👍

[@ajubhaus8200]

@@3d-illusions ok I will try it. thank you!

[@maxxxmodelz4061]

If we purchase, do we receive updates or new releases free?

[@3d-illusions]

Morning, yes lifetime updates included, even for major feature releases (3.0, 4.0 etc). Enjoy 👍

[@lospuntosstudios5149]

Will i get lifetime updates after purchase?

[@3d-illusions]

Yes 👍

[@jeffsmith9384]

Does this speed up rendering of volumetrics? That's my biggest bottleneck right now

[@3d-illusions]

Hi, yes, checkout this video: kzbin.info/www/bejne/j4iViHqlqZh2eNU

[@3d-illusions]

If you buy before I release 2.15 (later today or tomorrow), then I'd recommend using 2.13 for now because I may have introduced volume artefacts in 2.14 which I'll need to revert in 2.15. Just waiting for confirmation from a user.

[@melevibergman]

Hi Michael, quick question: does it work on Mac with the new Cycles X in Metal? Thanks, Levy

[@3d-illusions]

Hi Levy. Yes the addon uses only blender bundled python libraries and existing functionality 👍

[@melevibergman]

Amazing! Thanks Michael, I jump on it right now 😄

[@3d-illusions]

@@melevibergman awesome, drop me an email if you have any questions or suggestions for additional features you'd like 👍

[@lassebauer]

Do you HAVE to use and be a proficient in the compositor nodes to use Turbo Render, or can you just stick to the settings panel?

[@3d-illusions]

As far as rendering is concerned, no you just hit render and everything is automatic. If you want to utilise the publishing tools and other compositor tools, then yeah you'd need a basic understanding of the compositor. It's insanely simple though, basically a node that outputs your render result, and another node that receives it (it's input is the final image). You can add various nodes in between to modify the image, for example a brightness node, or a contrast node. Super easy, and very powerful.

[@lassebauer]

@@3d-illusions Sounds good, thanks a lot for the info 👍🏼😊 One more thing: does your app prefer that I use Cuda or Optix for rendering? (FYI Got 2 NVlinked 3090s)

[@3d-illusions]

@@lassebauer the addon is entirely a post process, so you can render with gpu or cpu. The denoising process is multithreaded cpu and happens at the end of each frame.

[@lassebauer]

@@3d-illusions Perfect, thanks! :)

[@Unknown-mz9zt]

Hey does it work with igpu i mean i got the fast cpu with 6 cores and 4.7 clock speed , 16gb ram just don't have gpu yet, My friend got this add-on and he is getting trouble speed is same maybe he is isn't able to set it up , If the things this tool is promising to provide then it will be game changer! Please make some basic video of how to really get started and clear videos, Going to buy this soon ! Till then i am waiting for my friend to tell me his reviews

[@3d-illusions]

Hi, yes it will work with any hardware because it happens after rendering on the CPU rather than during rendering. You use Cycles as normal 👍

[@waltage]

yes

[@IridiumZero]

Spaffed all over the place

[@johnsacks7398]

Can I export my scene as a png sequence using this addon? And can I have glass and explosions in the scene at the same time? Thank you. I have a scene rendering at 2 hours per frame and I’m going nuts.

[@3d-illusions]

Hi, yes it outputs whatever you have set in the blender output area. It also generates higher quality exrs for each frame of the animation which it then uses as cache. This allows you to use the publish feature to then output to as many different formats as you want. Useful if you want to try different compositions etc. You might want to hold off starting your animation for a while as I'm releasing 2.15 hopefully later today, which will allow you to avoid animatin flicker even at low samples 👍 You can see examples of that here: blenderartists.org/t/turbo-render-cycles-renders-960x-faster/1365583/247?u=michael_campbell

[@molo256]

Can you try turbo render on k-cycles and show up the results?

[@3d-illusions]

Hi Sorry, I don't have K-cycles. Some users are using it with K-cycles and the only problem reported is that the k-cycles post effects (bloom etc) aren't compatible.

[@kobi2643]

Why don't you test the intel denoiser from composer ? Isn't it the most accurate and qualitative ?

[@3d-illusions]

This uses the intel denoiser under the hood, but in a more advanced way.

[@kobi2643]

​@@3d-illusions so that would be more fair and interesting comparison then.

[@3d-illusions]

@@kobi2643 I’m not sure how I’d compare because turbo has potentially hundreds of variations of configurations. I’ll have a think though 👍

[@vay911.]

It’s awesome..!

[@edenem]

is there any reason the denoising process is taking more than 6 minutes on its own even on the lowest setting?

[@3d-illusions]

With massive render resolutions the denoise time will be much longer, but if you set it to the 'draft/fast' denoise mode, then it will be an identical denoise time as using Blender's own denoisers from the render panel. Also make sure you don't have denoisers in the compositor as this will increase render time unnecessarily as Turbo will already be denoising. One last possibility is blender has failed to run the python code after rendering, this results in the turbo nodes not being removed after rendering, which will then lead to much longer denoise time's on subsequent renders, as it will be doubling up. Check the trouble shooting section titled: 'After rendering there are nodes in the compositor that shouldn't be there and the render is now returning the incorrect result -'

[@lesterlauritzen]

Great stuff. Any update on E-cycles implementation?

[@3d-illusions]

Hi, thanks 👍 No plans at the moment for E-Cycles testing. The e-cycles developer said it should work fine providing the e-cycles denoiser is disabled, but I'm not comfortable guaranteeing compatibility until I've thoroughly tested, which isn't top priority at the moment as It's quite a lot of work making sure it remains fully compatible with each new standard blender release.

[@lesterlauritzen]

@@3d-illusions Okay, so I should be able to add the plugin to my e-cycles build and try it with the denoiser off. Right?

[@3d-illusions]

@@lesterlauritzen this is what the dev told me. But I'm not offering any guarantees. I know of a couple of people using it with K-Cycles, and one of them tells me it works apart from the post fx K-cycles has. Not a massive issue because they're available in the compositor anyway mostly.

[@3d-illusions]

When you try it Lester, be sure to reduce your render settings to see the benefit. Some people are expecting it to be faster just by turning it on, whereas it just allows you to reduce the samples for a quicker render because it's able to do a better job at denoising than the inbuilt denoisers. Try draft mode with 'crap' sample preset, then high and high is my recommendation for the first try. I'll probably have it default to one of those combinations in the next release.

[@lesterlauritzen]

@@3d-illusions Seems to work great. I had to turn "enhance" on for almost everything for there to be no artifacts but it does a pretty dang good job. There is one object, however, that has a complex displacement map and it seems to not be able to resolve the detail well with lower samples. Is that something you've noticed at all?

[@zikzakfr]

Does it work on CPU? Is yes can you compare against OIDN?

[@3d-illusions]

Hi, yes it's CPU. It's compared with OIDN in the video. This actually uses OIDN under the hood, it just uses it in a much smarter way. It has a multitude of approaches based on the turbo render options, scene content and also render settings. Basically like all addons, it just automates a huge amount of work at the touch of a button; such as automatic rewiring of existing node trees, file management, automatic sample settings, firefly prevention, multi scene render setup from one compositor, + all of the compositor tools shown in the video. It can be achieved manually, but it's a huge amount of work, particularly if you have many render layer nodes etc. It's basically 20 years of experience crammed into one addon (because I was sick of constantly repeating repetitive work :D ) The playback and realtime compositing on the other hand isn't possible at all without the addon, same for the automatic caching and other stuff shown in the video 👍

[@zikzakfr]

@@3d-illusions Ah then I must have missed that part, you rendered everything on GPU, right? I wondered how much better it would be rendering only on CPU.

[@3d-illusions]

@@zikzakfr It depends on your CPU, but generally rendering is much slower on the CPU than on the GPU. The denoising itself would be the same speed regardless of whether you render on the CPU or GPU as it's a separate process after rendering completes. 👍

[@zikzakfr]

@@3d-illusions I can't render on GPU any longer (AMD's mess) so I was wondering what the speed/quality gain would be on CPU only.

[@3d-illusions]

@@zikzakfr It will allow you to render 120x faster than your current render times if you were using OIDN from the render settings panel (if you were to render until you got similar results). Check out the first video here for examples of that: kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqCwkqF8grqGfLM

[@3dthings77]

OMG

[@basspig]

198X faster than Cycles? I'm very skeptical of the Turbo Render claims. If true, then a potato PC could beat the fastest CPU with an RTX3090. Call me cynical, but I much doubt that the code is THAT much more optimized than Cycles X.

[@3d-illusions]

thanks for your interest. Turbo Render isn't a faster render engine, it's an advanced denoising configuration specific to each scene and various render settings. The speed gain is achieved by Turbo Render being able to produce high quality images from noisier renders than the standard denoise options are able to produce clean images from (particularly in regard to textures and geometry detail as shown in the videos). To get the speed increase you need to lower the samples (or use the sample settings presets provided). for animations you'll need to use higher settings than still images to avoid temporal flicker, although I'm currently working on temporal denoising (should be ready in a week or so).

[@basspig]

@@3d-illusions thanks for the explanation and clarification of what the plug in does. I've been setting a time limit on renders and using Optix with good results. My cathedral animation in 4K UHD was rendered at 20 sec per frame and looks great on a large projection screen. How is this tech better than nVidia's?

[@3d-illusions]

@@basspig I’m unfamiliar with your work, but if you’re happy with the optix results at 20 seconds, then I’d suggest your scenes are not currently complex enough to take advantage of turbo render. The biggest savings are on scenes that take hours to render without denoising, in which case turbo generally brings them down to between 1 and 10 minutes. For example a customer emailed me to let me know their 7 hour render had been reduced to 8 minutes. Having said that, the new draft mode does allow for enhanced textures, which will produce staggeringly better high frequency texture detail than oidn and optix . Just bare in mind that turbo can take longer to process than optix (dependant on your cpu), so for 20 second renders you might expect slightly slower overall render time per frame due to the cpu denoising….but you may be able to reduce the render time to compensate for the slower denoising if the scene allows.

[@3d-illusions]

@@basspig check out my ‘new feature’ video to see the new draft/rapid mode in use on fast to render scenes 👍

[@baton5]

@@3d-illusions It's kinda misleading. You name the product Turbo Render and it's not a faster render engine :) Good work nevertheless.

[@elmasx]

Can you add fog and animate it? I wonder how it will turn out. thanks

[@3d-illusions]

Hi, the fog is already added and animated in the example animation. The fog gets rendered by EEVEE in a different scene and then comped in with that complex compositor node tree. 👍

[@elmasx]

​@@3d-illusions how can we make in cycles?

[@3d-illusions]

@@elmasx same as in EEVEE. You just add a volume either in the same scene or a different scene, and render it.