3D-Printing At Human Scale-Form 4L Review!

[@tested]

Formlabs Form 4L Resin 3D Printer: formlabs.com/3d-printers/form-4l/ or www.matterhackers.com/store/l/formlabs-form-4l-3d-printer/sk/M525QM4X?aff=7553 3D models shown: X-wing: www.thingiverse.com/thing:2946127 Ecorche anatomical model: www.characterartworkshop.com/ Pinchski crab creature: www.paul-braddock.com/collections/3d-print-files/products/herman-pinchski Brachiosaurus Caravan: www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-brachiosaurus-caravan-180210 Formlabs Form 4: www.matterhackers.com/store/l/formlabs-form-4-msla-3d-printer/sk/MDAA8VTR?aff=7553 Formlabs: www.matterhackers.com/store/c/formlabs?aff=7553 Disclosure: Hardware was provided by manufacturer for purposes of review Tested may earn an affiliate commission when you buy through the links here.

[@lasarith2]

2:57 if they went with the same process as they use for processors ( lithography) I suggested that to them a while ago .

[@UncleJessy]

Norm, this was pretty amazing to see. 1000% for professional market and that full head in 2 hours 🤯

[@K8Stuff]

Would take two decades on an Ender, just to fail at 90%.

[@3DJapan]

The head scan would be good for making facial prosthetics for movie make up. The actor doesn't have to sit for hours getting a mold of their face made. They come in for 20 minutes or so, or you bring the scanner to them. Then the artist can either print it and work in clay or just sculpt on it digitally.

[@halfvader8015]

Yep they've been doing exactly that for a decade. Or print the mold itself. And they've been cyberscanning for like 30 years now. Pretty cool.

[@stevemuzak8526]

They do it already.

[@irondolphin1559]

It's resin tho

[@RyanMercer]

I get anxious with smaller ones, that much resin feels like I'd need a hazmat suit haha.

[@harbl99]

This thing is going to demand ALL the ventilation. "I think we're going to have to knock out a couple of walls."

[@jubjub64]

Norm, I appreciate you wearing gloves even during the explanation. Just emphasizes the importance of protection when using these types of printers!

[@RILEYLEIFSON_UTAH]

Huhh....Why on earth is it so important? Do you need a full HazMat suit with a SCBA to use the thing!?🤷🏼‍♂️🙄

[@specsix]

Thats what you got out of this? wtf

[@adamadamadamadam]

​@@RILEYLEIFSON_UTAH The resins are toxic, and easily absorbed through skin. The vapors are respiratory irritants that tend to make a person more sensitive with each exposure. During printing, and even more so during curing, a lot of resin is vaporized.

[@WhiteError37]

This is like using lead solder without an extractor fan. It’s a fun hobby but people need to be aware of the risks. The comment wasn’t negative I think it’s actually endearing. Just trying to look out for people’s health

[@jubjub64]

@@RILEYLEIFSON_UTAH No, but if you get some on your arm and then head outside you will get some nasty burns as the resin cures on your skin.

[@bogamol]

Call it the uncanny valley, but if this wasn't Adam Savage's channel I would not have been able to guess whether that head was Adam Savage or James Hetfield.

[@C-M-E]

It's a commercial machine with a commercial price. Expected that from the start. Now after printing almost exclusively large format the last six years, large format has grown in both capability with somewhat relative entry-level price by leaps and bounds the last few. $2500 is still a bit steep, but those machines will stand toe to toe with this printer while still utilizing open formats, slicers and universal resins. That's always been my big qualm with Form, that you're stuck in their ecosystem for both software and resins. I much prefer doing manual supports to maximize plate loading and minimizing resin while still getting first run parts with zero failures. When you can't tune your resins, you don't have the opportunity to dial a resin to perfection where it holds onto the plate, but all you need is light twisting pressure to separate it Very cleanly. The mark of a professional/power user of resin printers is the lack of gouges in their plate when compared to how many LCD screens they've expended in production time. 😉

[@Chaosghoul]

but you can tune Formlabs materials and you can also do manual supports in PreForm?

[@C-M-E]

@@Chaosghoul Not sure how it works with this printer in particular, but so far as I understood previously, everything was fixed and set in preform with no deviation or custom settings. You push a button on what resin you're going to print, set layer heights, and that's as much customization outside of orienting parts and such.

[@Chaosghoul]

@@C-M-E You were correct for the longest time, but PreForm added custom settings a couple versions ago (no matter the printer type, even Fuse now). You can head into edit and then use the Print Settings Editor to make custom profiles and tune basically every setting you want. Custom supports has been a thing forever. This week they also (FINALLY!) added hollowing and suction holes to the slicer as well

[@C-M-E]

@@Chaosghoul Excellent info, I did not know that! Filing in the ol memory bank for future use. 👋

[@Chaosghoul]

@@C-M-E check out the last part of the big announcement (the 45 min one), they even talked about api access etc and showed off running preform via scripts to arrange a bunch of parts on multiple build platforms and upload them to fleet control. Looks like they're turning the ship on the whole closed garden

[@K3NnY_G]

I'm sorry but has no one here heard of a plastic razor? Nothing like some freshly gouged build plates!

[@TimFromWinfield]

The detail level of that is impressive.

[@Speciimenn]

This reminds me of a project I have all planned out where I'm gonna 3d print pieces of a life-size T rex skull, then make those pieces into a mold and then cast it with plaster! A nice planter for the garden I want to have

[@dpg014]

First! Unbelievable how big these machines have gotten. Crazy details.

[@Obie.]

Kind of disappointed we didn’t get to hear Adam’s reaction…

[@More_Row]

This is Norm’s hobby channel, what do you mean

[@thir13enthman]

Adam would have most likely said "Duuuuude!"

[@stephanspiller9877]

Very.

[@NixCM]

do you like our owl?

[@KronicDaydreamZ]

I was about to go off on you ! 😂​@@More_Row

[@Tinkerbell9332]

I'm so glad I found this channel! Thank you guys😊

[@the_arcanum]

Very interesting demo for professional and prototyping businesses, Norm. Thanks a lot. It makes it believable to have a full digital process for mask making from face scanning, digital sculpting in ZBrush to printing. You'd be able to make mothermolds for tailored silicone masks for film talents and still stick to strenuous deadlines. I'm just wondering if we can expect the same level of detail a material sculpt can give (pores, wrinkles).

[@bentationfunkiloglio]

I love the anatomical model!

[@bryanhensley4148]

Okay... here are some fun ideas Adam. An Adam bust with a chest burster. Face hugger. And the Thing spider head you have hanging from your ceiling BUT with your face!

[@GIBBO4182]

Office parties are going to be different now people don’t just have the option to photocopy their @55

[@meazle]

Took me a while until I understood what 'At fifty five' meant, hehe

[@besttourinrio9]

Great work guys ! What resin did you use for so clear and transparent figure ?

[@APM_writing]

That's Formlabs Clear V5 resin

[@Meanstarinc]

14:25 did norm nearly swear good catch

[@hoovertesla1442]

I’ve been telling my work we need one of these and now I can send them this 😂

[@JunctionRunner]

10k USD. So yeah, maybe I can buy a broken one in six years when I can afford it lol.

[@wholeness]

There will be plenty.

[@iambear.6526]

Isn't this more for commerical use?

[@iFilipis]

Or you can buy 20x Saturn 4 Ultra and get better resolution and quality

[@davidbelzer]

For industry 10 k is not that much the right job will pay for it quickly

[@Haargeroya]

@@davidbelzer including the wash and cure stations it is $19k. Yes that's right. Washing is $4500 and so is curing. Want to use 3rd party material? Another $5k This is for fabrication shops that have more money than sense. Just like UltiMaker for FDM

[@Serenityindailylife]

Now norm can get into Adam's computer, phone and possibly his house.

[@MDCB1]

Gratitude. This technology has come such a long way since Neil Gershenfeld launched his FabLab movement

[@HELLEKSONART]

Pretty Sculpts and Prints.

[@ASilentS]

@14:23 Nice save there Norm. 😂

[@JordonBeal]

Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that, haha.

[@3DJapan]

12:38 Don't forget drain holes!

[@4STEVEJOY34]

Norm, that was very good. You should get your own channel.

[@xKatjaxPurrsx]

Ah, $10k. the "Do you want to print big resin models, or small PEEK parts that can handle pressurized steam?" price point.

[@whyitmatterstome]

The replicator will become a reality in the next 50 years.

[@donaldbohn3183]

Like your Totoro!

[@joshuaprets2044]

I'm wondering if you know of a way to print distorted models that would exaggerate the perspective of an object. It's more for a presentation/artistic use than traditional 3d printing projects. But is there a way to pre-distort a model to fit a perspective that you want and then you can send that to the printer? How would you do it?

[@nathkrupa3463]

Great video sir

[@GhostMkrMiniatures]

"This is not a hobbyist's machine" Footage primarily shows Norm assembling miniatures...

[@tomwilson1006]

Phrozen has a large format 8K printer that’s pretty good.

[@tylerstafford]

Hopefully it works better than the 3L. Countless issues with the 3L, have moved backwards to FDM

[@emwave100]

What tool/method did you use to scan Adam's face?

[@kadirbeneathmomoteh854]

Check out the Adam in carbonite one day build video from the other day, they briefly show in the beginning that it was a 3dfx studio using an array of stills cameras

[@timojissink4715]

46 micon pixels with a 354 mm wide bed would mean 7674 pixels wide or nearly 8K resolution. That's pretty decent. Resolution might not be everything, but I wonder how noticable it would be on such large prints. I was considering buying the current Elegoo Jupiter. It has a 4K resolution wich is a quite low, especially for a large form printer. It wouldn't surprice me if the next gen gets a much higher resolution aswell. $9500 might not be within the budget for now, but the Jupiter for $800 would be 😀

[@brianherendich4616]

My daughter is into making props can any of you recommend where she can look up basic tips?

[@JeromeDemers]

10,000$ still seems reasonable. We are not talking 20-30k.

[@bennettstirton118]

Does anyone know what model is shown around the 6:30 mark? It's beautiful!

[@tested]

that was from a Lord of the Print (now Rescale Miniatures) monthly Patreon release. model here: www.myminifactory.com/object/3d-print-brachiosaurus-caravan-180210

[@ivanpr0ff]

This thumbnail is literally nightmare fuel 💀💀💀

[@cleio81]

Soon life casts will be a thing of the past. these printers are getting ridiculously good.

[@johncaldwell9842]

It says on the web site the build volume is 353 x 196 x 350 mm which is only one foot by 6 inches. Not really much. I needs to be three times that.

[@stevemuzak8526]

6:56 This is just insane. We live in the future.

[@JolynBowler]

Thank you, Norm. Terrific demo. 💙🌻💙

[@jimmysgameclips]

What we don't see is Adam being wrestled to the ground to stop him punching the head off the build plate because he's pretending Norm is making his evil clone

[@jucks]

Dude I literally thought it was James Hetfield in the thumbnail while scrolling by xD

[@jamesoloughlin]

Not a hobbyist machine… I still want it 😭

[@halfvader8015]

Go Paul Braddock (the crab dude sculpt)!!

[@matthewderezinski7725]

Enjoy the content, and keep it up!

[@mix3d258]

hey Norm! can you DTF on it?

[@ArvinAbadilla]

Yes!!!!

[@fuzzycuffs]

Can it print in flexible TPU asking for a friend

[@bloodtastesirony]

there are multiple flexible materials that you can print on the form 4L. Formlabs' TPU material is a powder for printing on their SLS machine, Fuse 1+

[@MarcusWolschon]

Guess how much larger you could print that if they just offered a longer Z axis, while keeping all the expensive parts the same.

[@WilliamBlakers]

Can't you use a big ultra sonic cleaner as a wash station?

[@durangodave]

certainly a tech for the younger generation and more power to them. Very few from my generation has any idea what he is talking about 😁🤣😂

[@sabotage3d]

Always good to use your fingers with superglue.

[@Kizmar]

Can you melt down and reuse the structural framework that holds things in place? Seems like a lot of resin is used for that.

[@bloodtastesirony]

with resin printing, the cured resin can't be made liquid again. you either scrap the supports or figure out something else to do with them. this is why hollowing parts and picking an orientation to reduce the need for supports is a good idea

[@Kizmar]

@@bloodtastesirony Interesting. Thank you for the info!

[@themaskedcrusader]

Anyone else think that Adam Savage and James Hetfield could be the same person after looking at that resin print?

[@nickfisher548]

That thumbnail has Westworld vibes

[@JDog88]

I thought that was James Hetfield on the thumbnail until I realised what channel it was.

[@tested]

We are hearing that a lot!

[@papalegba4449]

Adam trapped in Carbonite :D

[@jcwoodman5285]

Carbonite's come a long way!

[@dmprdctns]

Cool! Can you print a nice clear spacesuit bubble helmet with that? Thanks... Liked Subscribed Shared...

[@Bob-b7x6v]

Was that a Mirelurk from Fallout? I hope that's what they look like on Season 2 of the show.

[@willcool713]

Imo, it looks more like Steven J Cannell, especially in the thumbnail.

[@nickisawsome1231]

I want to use a ct scan or mri plus this to print a full scale replica of my own skeleton

[@ChunkyMonkaayyy]

You guys are trying your best.

[@Garrison64]

Looks like something from the Institute in Fallout 4

[@HalidonDioramas]

Adam Savage and James Hetfield, its a fact that they have never been seen in the same room together at the same time ever....think about it 🤔

[@bmemike]

"I have Adam's head here" - #NoContextTested

[@paulfrees1985]

Adam should have put jammy I the carbonate.

[@offearth3d]

I'm trying to convince myself I'm not a professional 😅 to save my wallet!

[@archangelmichael1978]

We'll start making exo-shells for Tesla's Optimus bots. "Bicentennial Man," here we come! 😂

[@DimasFajar-ns4vb]

lathe machine amazing for me sir

[@Eztoez]

He looks like James Hetfield in that mould

[@MrChief101]

Bring Me The Head Of Adam Savage

[@wholeness]

When you print for the dark side...

[@townside_woodcraft]

Am i the only one who thought that was the guy from metallica in the thumbnail lol

[@3D_PrintLab]

first, Hello from Belarus

[@atherisgreen1391]

15k (CAD) dollar resin printer. Competition gets pretty damn close if not, identical, for 1/10 the price. You're paying for style it seems.

[@patrickd1606]

One would argue you’re actually paying for reliability formlabs is predicated its business on having high print success and very low print failures. Yes cheaper machines are out there with more affordable resin but what use is that when it takes 10 prints to get 1 functional model?

[@atherisgreen1391]

@patrickd1606 Almost all new resin printers from companies like phrozen, elegoo, anycubic have very high success rates these days. Ever since they started introducing heaters into the units, failures are almost non-existent. So that alone doesn't justify the price. They're trying to brand themselves as Apple does, but really it's all the same tech used by the companies mentioned above, in nicer packaging, marked up 1000%.

[@boarattackboar]

I have a mid range resin printer at home and use a formlabs 3L at work. Can confirm the 3L is just way easier to use and has a much higher success rate. If I was trying to use a hobby printer for work it would drive me nuts. Glad I didn't have to pay for it though

[@Z-add]

This printer is for professional and industries. Proceeds to make toys and props.

[@Cynaephyra]

I want one....

[@iambear.6526]

"several" it's more like a "few" when comparing build plates.

[@FORMFUS3D]

Fairly small still. If you want massive print volume hit me up.

[@geraldstiling3735]

Oh right it's a 🦀 crab. How does it print upside 👇🏼 down?

[@billbucktube]

Wow

[@durangodave]

one day there will be life size machines where a whole person can be printed in one piece. Move over hollwood wax museum, resin lifesize is coming.

[@Jsameds]

Thought it was a new Metallica video

[@cliff4ever]

Anyone else think that was James Hetfield at first?

[@tested]

We’ve seen a few of these comments, so you’re not alone!

[@cliff4ever]

@@tested”Yeahheh!”

[@-MrFozzy-]

Heeeey Tested. If you need space I’d be happy to have any resin or filament printers you don’t use anymore. Im a Mr.Poorman that can’t afford anything…so if I can’t save you space, you could save me everything!

[@colincampbell3679]

$10.000 For that I would prefer to buy the new Prusa Pro HT90 Industrial Delta heated chamber giant 3D printer. not Resin so not Toxic to work with and more than detailed printing system and fast Klipper output FDM printing which is better as you can deal with the waste filaments and supports with them being Toxic like the Resin ones will be. That's why I given up doing resin with my Elegoo Saturn 2 printer, the Resin liquid is toxic and flumes are toxic the supports left over is non disposable and the waste water which I had using the water washable resin was also non disposable as you can't dump it down the drains or even on the ground, I live in the UK so the option to set the resin in the wash water is not possible as you need tons of strong hot sunlight to do that. shook horrible we don't have that here. Also I've found that there is no toxic waste disposer centers here either I could take the waste wash water to. So that was a expensive system wasted there, time you include the large washing and curing system I had to buy too. over £500 of tech I can't use now! I've still got 14 liters of stored waste wash water I can't set the resin that is in it. I should have brought another FDM printer instead, And no I did research it all for ages, But the reviewing youtube channels did not state the waste resin washing water problem? They all live in hot sunny states in the US and ever said about sorting out of the waste washing water in non hot sunny places. like the UK.

[@TonyGore]

So they are now basically using the same technology everyone else is using but still charging their high end price tag?

[@thezx5795]

TEN THOUSAND?!

[@AvengerDK]

Don't look up the complete package then...

[@RPGESUS9001]

good printer to buy if you have 10k to spare.

[@S0K0N0MI]

That thing cant print a bucket large enough to hold the tears your wallet would cry when you buy one of these..

[@chrisgenovese8188]

what a time to be alive...but too poor to have the tech!

[@jamesgates1074]

"this is meant for professionals" *Prints a bunch of hobbyist stuff*

[@CarmenBelcher]

Wish I had a 3d printer to replace the broken backplate on my Balenciaga rolling trolly and replace the pink shock mic for my dslr since they refuse to make more 😅

[@Chilcutte]

I’d love a copy of his face and some of his glasses I’m making masks and I’m trying to make them for different face types and people with glasses.