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Join me as I dive deep into the powerful Vision Miner 22 IDEX V3 3D printer, designed to tackle high-temp materials like PEI, PEEK, and carbon fiber-filled filaments. With 500°C hotends, a carbon fiber bed, and dual extruders, this machine is built for industry-level prints. Watch as I put it to the test, trying out various materials-including some you've probably never seen in 3D printing before!
🤖 Features:
Dual LGX Pro extruders
500°C slice Copperhead hotends
Carbon fiber bed heated up to 200°C (300°C)
Convection chamber up to 100°C (110°C tested)
Open material & slicer compatibility
Materials tested:
PLA, PC ABS, PSU, PEI, Glass-filled PEEK
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[@VacFink]

I appreciate that you include and cover tech that's beyond the hobby/maker grade. These professional grade machines are what filters down to the hobby layer over time and can't wait until it scales and become more approachable for the occasional need.

[@3dpathfinder]

@VacFink I hope that visionminer would give the hobbyist side a taste of a machine like this. Maybe not with all the bells , but able to print at 400 or 450.

[@Cjx0r]

@@3dpathfinder gonna take some time on a $15,000 printer guy

[@hobbychanel5798]

when you show a new printer, most of the time is in conversation, show how it actually prints and the strength of the printed product

[@Codex_of_Wisdom]

Agreed. It's out of our range now, but I remember when SLA printers were in this range. Now they're around $300.

[@cinobro6393]

@@VacFink I agree with other fancy sls and sla printers but this just uses a mosquito hotend and clicky probe. Both things a hobbyist can buy, the only special thing is the chamber heater which you can buy as a hobbyist but you don’t normally see due to safety concerns.

[@awilliams1701]

you should send some samples to CNC kitchen so he can verify that glass filled peek really is the strongest. lol

[@RegularOldDan]

A) I would never have a use for this. B) I don't care, I want it, and it's awesome. Vision Miner is impressive and I love what they've done with this. The fact this is so open to customers shows how confident they are in their printer. That's cool.

[@pileofstuff]

You might need to go and raid Zach Freedman's closet of weird and cursed filaments in order to fully test this beast of a printer.

[@drstefankrank]

At least print him the Benchys he couldn't. These strands of PEEK looked so sad.

[@VisionMiner]

@@drstefankrank There's something in store... let's just say, stay tuned on Zack's channel!

[@ericgolub8589]

@@VisionMiner Huge

[@BeardedPrinter]

Never has anyone had a stronger conviction that you can now literally PRINT ALL THE THINGS!!!

[@rcmaniac25]

That last point is so important: Many in the community go "up"... they start with an Ender 3, see the specs for PEEK and go "how can I upgrade my Ender 3 to print PEEK/PEKK?" and it tends not to work. But what Vision Miner, Prusa, and Pantheon have been doing is starting with something that's high and going "down". Taking a printer that previously was $50k+ and required a service contract and proprietary materials and slicers and saying "nah, open materials... consumer slicers... and standard components" at a price that consumers go "they're charging WHAT?!" but businesses go "shut up and take my money". And they're doing it at speed, with support, and honestly... with some of the best people who could do it instead of some solutions engineer who exists to keep you inside the ecosystem, they have Rob, Bob, and Jo who present their company and the ethos they stand for. These are the things that move the industry forward more the anything else, even if they're not at the price points consumers may care about.

[@3DPrinterAcademy]

First time hearing of them and they are just down the street from us!! Impressive machine with a *hefty* price tag haha

[@3DPrintingNerd]

GO VISIT! They are awesome people.

[@x9x9x9x9x9]

Vision miner is such a cool company. Years ago when their nano polymer bed adhesive was shown off by Joel I ordered a sample and instantly fell in love. So I ordered a large bottle but was curious if maybe there was a coupon or something for viewers so I reached out to them on Facebook at like 2am CST. I didn't really expect a reply but within minutes I got a reply with a personalized coupon code and a slightly sarcastic response. Ever since then I have used nothing but that bottle I ordered. Its been years and that one bottle is still going. It's almost out but I'm happy to order more. Anyways what was this video about?

[@TheNetworkingGuy]

It was so fun seeing this filmed in person, even more fun to see the finished product ❤❤

[@3DPrintingNerd]

It’s really cool you got to see it in person AND see the final product too!

[@jacobmurray3621]

I’d love to see some more 3D printed tools. Like a a screw driver , box wrenches, pliers, and maybe a ratchet in ultem.maybe that would be a good use for space, custom lightweight tools. Or small tools for EDC.

[@UserName-ty4nv]

The old Printrbot Ubis hotends were PEEK with a PTFE liner. This was pre all metal days. Crazy that this printer can print some of that hotend.

[@3DandTeePrinting]

Did we just get a PEEK at the Summit of Consumer Grade 3d Printers or maybe just a like PEKK of it.

[@3DPrintingNerd]

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE DOT GIF. Hahahaha

[@75keg75]

1:27 Cook a steak dinner!! We’ll watch the livestream!!

[@karlh6692]

We love Rob, get him on to chat about his machine more often.

[@MarcOlsen-v2m]

200 pound or 90.8 kg ( take pound and multiply with 0.454 to get the exact conversion ( the last 0.004 starts adding up the higer up in weight you go )

[@hanslain9729]

Notes on cardboard... Bob the Builder would be proud. Reduce, reuse, recycle! ♻️ 🤚Good stuff, Joel!

[@TheNetworkingGuy]

@hanslain9729 when we was looking for his note pad I suggested cardboard and he went with it!

[@hanslain9729]

@@TheNetworkingGuy it worked nicely. As someone who likes to make stuff, my recycling bin is like a materials bin at times. 🙂

[@Natepwnsu]

Pretty impressive, wouldn't mind demoing one of those , I'd love to print some oem replacement parts for some 80s cars.

[@DesertRox]

I have been using vision miner filament for a few years now on prototype parts, wish I could afford this printer as it would make life much easier for those carbon fiber filaments!

[@andreas.grundler]

What I would like to see, if you still have the same car, is the knob printed in a real high temp material. Maybe a fancy custom design for it.

[@formulafoxMusic]

Can i choose which printer and material to use on PCB way? I have a design i need printed on a 22 idex with that build volume.

[@tylersnard]

Hi Joel. A question: this thing prints at 300c. Tin melts at around 289c. Why couldn’t I buy a roll of 1.75mm tin wire and use it as filament in this printer?

[@thegps7197]

Definately my dream printer.

[@Abide]

this thing is awesome. definitely a dream machine i wish i had a reason to need!

[@Reds3DPrinting]

I think I need one of these in my life

[@Reds3DPrinting]

This was so fun watching you try out all of those high temp high grade materials! That peak clamp that turned out successful at the end was suuuuuper satisfying also! Great video Joel! :)

[@SandboChang]

amazing review, we are in a market for a similar printer that could print PEEK, while not exactly in the industrial realm. So far I am looking at this, Prusa Pro HT90 and Creatbot 250/300 PEEK. It is so difficult to find any reviews about them given their price; this one is one that really helps!

[@3DJapan]

But does it come come a big piece of cardboard for notes?

[@3dprintingisthedeathofme]

Video 3 of asking for help with my printer!, great video as usual 👍

[@sabahoudini]

Please print ABS/ASA in an 80C chamber and do an adhesion strength test a la CNC kitchen. Layer adhesion should be as strong as the material it self. The new hot filament easily melts the previous layer and fuses to it fully because the previous layer is just barely under glass transition temp.. I have an 80C voron my self and can confirm this. Noone believes me though.

[@C-M-E]

High perf machine comes with an equal price. That said, if I were in the market for an industrial-capability machine, VM would be either top dog or top 3 on my list for that size footprint.

[@geordonworley5618]

Can it print molten glass? I think that would be useful.

[@gabrielemarabello1638]

Thank you for your videos. I had the pleasure of meeting you at formnext last year, in addition to being a great content creator you are also a nice person. I would like to buy this printer but I can't find information about the annealing process.... Does the printer itself do it or do you need a separate oven? Thank you in advance for your availability. And always high-fives

[@3DPrintingNowAndBeyond]

Wow, a bed that can get hot enough to melt PLA right on it! I'm assuming ASA sticks wonderful to it

[@ZEUS-fw8sc]

Where is there machine made and are there any support videos on printing dual color

[@TECH_GEEK10]

I want to see you print the coldside of a hotend. Like those old J-Heads

[@eg5909]

do a macro shot of your hands after playing with all the filled composites

[@3dThor]

Looks great!!

[@logtrimmer]

I have seen one group 3D print a piston for an engine out of PLA-CF and it was able to run for a couple minutes before melting too much that it lost compression. These exotic materials might be temperature resistant enough to hold up to being used in an engine.

[@ElizabethGreene]

I want a new car, but I could have this printer, and not a new car. Maybe I could print a car? I could definitely print a car.

[@Vez3D]

I like the guys at VM. They sound very passionate. :)

[@st0mper121]

And i thought Qidi did good @350C on my nozzle. crazy price tag. Makes me content with my qidi. I been wanting a idex printer for sometime.

[@MrBooth1974]

Isn’t it polymaker that has that new line of fancy filament that is supposed to replace metal parts ? Let’s see some of that printed on this machine. I’d love to try some prototyping on that.

[@riba2233]

they are not even close to replacing them, and ppa is stronger than any fiberon filament.

[@formulafoxMusic]

I remember vision minor mentioned in a video they tried using maple syrup 🍁 as a bed adhesive and it worked for most materials this was before theNano polymer was made.

[@Eric_Wolfe-Schulte]

Pctpe! Happy to donate a spool if you don't have any, I'm local.

[@L337f33t]

*slaps roof of printer* This baby can fit so many dungarees centigrade!

[@VisionMiner]

😂

[@nahuelise4055]

Hello,whats the machine shown at 14:10?? Looks super cool

[@VisionMiner]

That's an old Ultimaker 2+ --- some very old footage, from the old office -- we actually called it "old faithful" :D

[@xgeko2]

How about some gear's for my wrx's transmission before it explodes lmao.

[@beausmith9023]

are you getting a K2 Plus for review?

[@cheetahkid]

I just fainted and... fainted again

[@Todestelzer]

Can I have a 80% discount for this printer please? 😂

[@hippiemcfake6364]

Can it print chocolate though?

[@PutTheKettleOnGromit]

$15k USD is not expensive. That price is great, especially because the printer uses PrusaSlicer and and it uses 3rd party materials! That is so fabulous. Thank Joel for showing us this fabulous printer, and Huge thank you to VisionMiner for making such an important 3D printer.

[@joshuamccracken8994]

can you print tullomer on it?

[@dylanb9341]

Vision Miner are the goats of the actual 3D printing scene, theyve made a printer that is actually needed in the sense that the pritner opens new real posibilities (specs are high end), and capable enough to outstand cheaper printers, but not expensive as hell as the industrial ones. And the best part, they made it upgradable and you could even modify some thing on it. You could print endless things on it, some high performance polymers are stronger than Aluminum, a plastic, stronger than a metal, that always blows my mind Theyve understood it all

[@mahendradhungel8011]

Hey jole, how does cooling work then?

[@KiaranScath]

It has the same fans on the extruder that almost all FDM machines have. If you're printing with low temp materials like PLA, you'll sometimes leave the door open to keep the enclosure temperature down.

[@horsthotzenplotz3321]

Being able to print PEEK would be supercool, ehm, hot! But not in my price range of being a small business.

[@JonS]

POM (aka, acetal or Delrin) is an interesting material. It's great for low friction gears. Can it print it?

[@3DPrintingNerd]

I suppose we should find out :)

[@JonS]

@@3DPrintingNerd it would be rude not to!

[@riba2233]

pom can be printed but it is very hard to get first layer adhesion, and you shouldn't print it in general because it is very toxic.

[@AndrewAHayes]

That PLA clamp had massive, and I mean massive slop, it was wobbling like a great big wobbly thing, Is this the case with all the print in place PLA parts? or was it the model? RE the high temp exotic materials, I wouldn't want to be fannying around with settings trying to get expensive filament to print, the working profiles should already be there for a printer at this price point, are there profiles for this printer on Orca Slicer?

[@Janisku7]

metal materials?

[@1fareast14]

9:00 layer shift? Surprised at no closed loop steppers/servos for this market segment

[@VisionMiner]

At this price point, the cost of closed loop systems are still prohibitive :/

[@riba2233]

@@VisionMiner flsun s1 has them, it costs around 10x less but I get that is it not that simple

[@Titan3DAZ]

GF-PEEK Voron or Positron parts.

[@theglowcloud2215]

Did anyone actually receive the original 22IDEX? Very few reports of its performance out there.

[@3D_Printing]

I want to see Solder 3D Printed, electronic solder

[@deecat2018]

yep that thing is oven certified

[@Dragonited]

$15k for it makes it very unobtainable for most people unfortunately

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

"That price isn't for you and me" Couldn't help but notice it there, next to you 🤔

[@3DPrintingNerd]

Heh, good catch. I don't own it, Vision Miner let me borrow it to show it off and do cool stuff with it. Then, it goes back to them. Just a loaner :)

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

@@3DPrintingNerd Fair

[@matteoricci9129]

500 c°? Few hundred more and we have fdm aluminium

[@SWREngineering]

@matteoricci9129 about 700°C, and you have borderline plasticised, semi-liquid wire if your filament is off a 0.6mm spool of 5356 alu wire for Mig welding.... they are not far off.

[@franzschmidt7621]

Just a little question, i see they used the duet3d 6hc Mainboard and 3hc expansion board, the Mainboard seemed genuine but the expansion board looked like a clone to me (black solder mask instead of blue). For 15k i would expect genuine parts, or was it just a availability problem?

[@VisionMiner]

We do, in fact, use all genuine Duet boards in the machine :) While it is open-source, and using the cheaper clones would make sense, the stability and quality just isn't there, which is why we opted for genuine boards. Also the origin of manufacturing is in the UK, which allows more government, DoD and Military customers to use it.

[@franzschmidt7621]

Thanks for the reply, I was just curious as seen at 3:59 in the video, the expansion board has a different solder mask color, than all the genuine boards I know of, have.

[@brentcoates5470]

I would really hope it could print filament for $15k

[@JH-zo5gk]

Wouldnt vacuum drying filament takes weeks or months?

[@3DPrintingNerd]

Not when it’s really hot. The heat allows the moisture to be drawn out easier.

[@3dpathfinder]

It is really nice to be Joel! Here have this 15000 dollar printer, have a good day

[@sporluck]

Chocolate?

[@birb.s]

epic

[@cinobro6393]

For $15,000 you would at least expect that they would have nozzle probing. At least its not using a BLTouch anymore like the AddWise IDEX although that was $10,000 cheaper.

[@TMS5100]

this is just a rebranded addwise

[@Todestelzer]

Since I switched from clicky to tap I will never go back on my Voron. Every time the z-offset is perfect now.

[@gruvinnz]

I hope you blocked Stratasys™ from your channel :P

[@Mobile_Dom]

as someone who weighs around the 200lb weight in metric speak, I'm not a fan of being called a beast, Joel :P

[@severpop8699]

that's not your problem, you are not a 3D printer.

[@MajikPPMan]

If they halved the price they could sell THOUSANDS of these. 14k is not unreasonable for an addative manufacturer but I WANT ONE 😂 #newgoals

[@scruffy3121]

The material cost actually matter in this case 😂

[@bridget_clinch]

Damn

[@JH-zo5gk]

Its a neat printer and all but for the price you have far far better options. This is a $3,500 printer, not a $15,000 unit. Prove me wrong tho. Ill eat my words. Print one of those functioning geared xmas gift boxs out of peek. Not the sliders or clamp boxes, one of the multigeared print in place ones.

[@butre.]

by the specs this thing wouldn't be able to print TPI and would have trouble with HTN on larger models. I'd really like to see another 50c at least in the chamber temps

[@riba2233]

htn has much lower glas transition temp, 100c chamber is enough. it is a bit too low for larger prints in peek, pei, tpi etc of course.

[@andrew6061]

At 15,000 usd it's for that reason I'm out 😊

[@TreetopEscape]

I don't think it makes me want one, to rich for my home life, not percise enough for work.

[@Zuul47]

too rich for my blood

[@НикитаКалинин-ш6е]

PEEK GF cookie cutters

[@3DPrintingNerd]

INDESTRUCTIBLE

[@3DThird]

Can't wait till Bambulab comes up with a machine at 1/3rd of the price.

[@DWIT3D]

Wow, $900US for a spool of glass filled peek…. That’s like $5000CDN!! 😮😊

[@fartnyaface]

Sounds like VM paid you off, it cant be that good!

[@Aidan-tu4un]

240C for standard PLA?? I only need 190…

[@darren990]

very nice printer .but i hope you got your patents or the big bad is coming for you stratasys lol

[@severpop8699]

if the big bad did not patented it yet or if their patent is already expired they cannot do anything,well there is one thing they can do, go pound sand,once this printer is being released this is public knowledge now.

[@gsestream]

it does not print steel wire, also that is a totem god to worship, try diy 3d printed clothing with some standard synthetic plastic with cotton fibers mixed in. polyester (pe) and cotton at ratio. hi-five. thats a load of temp.

[@riba2233]

ok

[@EmilyChuu]

Brother, this is a 15k printer.

[@vintageludwig]

Yeah. So?

[@platin2148]

Probabbly to expensive for anyone except for pros. But PEEK is anyways nothing you normally print. Multi Head when?

[@riba2233]

it has multi head.

[@platin2148]

@@riba2233 Idex yeah toolchange no.

[@asclepeos]

Easily burns a hole in your wallet.

[@platin2148]

Welp can‘t print metal wire

[@drstefankrank]

Printing copper or iron wire. Will be a long way to go. Needs a hotend made of tungsten?

[@riba2233]

@@drstefankrank such printers exist, they print aluminum

[@drstefankrank]

@@riba2233 SLS printers heat up metal powder with a laser. I speak of iron wire in an FDM printer.

[@riba2233]

@@drstefankrank I know, so am I. When did I say SLM? (SLS is for plastic powder btw)

[@drstefankrank]

@@riba2233 I'm not that deep into that process, but I can search for SLS metal printer and find printers for that. What printer can print Alu-Filament? I have never seen such a printer and like to know more.

[@KavorkaDesigns]

Bed can only go to 100-110c as He stated, and can ONLY handle 200-300c, an head that prints 500c is BS when the plate/bed can't handle it, I call BS..

[@AndrewduToit]

I have seen a previous review of this machine and it runs on the same hardware as lets say a Voron or standard Cor XY machine. It has got a better insulated enclosure but to me that does not justify the price point. To be clear on my opinion, this is a complete ripoff. There are other similar machines that can do the same and better, that is way more affordable.

[@andreas.grundler]

Can you name some of those similar machines ?

[@AndrewduToit]

@@andreas.grundler Creality K1, Banbu lab P1, Qidi Max 3 Personaly I think after the Qidi is my pick but there are the Voron 2.4 and the Rat Rig 4 Idex.

[@andreas.grundler]

@@AndrewduToit These machines are great, but they are not really comparable to this printer and the usage scenarios are also very different. This printer has a heat bed that is rated up to 200°C, can reach 500°C at the nozzle and the build chamber can be heated up to 110°C. The printer is for high temp materials that the printer you have listed cannot print. Even the models with an active build chamber heater. The printer is not for the hobby user but for the industry and the military.

[@AndrewduToit]

@@andreas.grundler I know but replacing the hot end upping the software to make the bed warmer and insulating the enclosure still do not justify that price. O and the bed might be a different material.

[@andreas.grundler]

@@AndrewduToit You'd be surprised how much the high-temperature stuff costs. It's easy to underestimate. Let me give you an example. The Prusa Pro HT90 is another printer in the same price range. It has, for example, panels for the casing that not only withstand the extreme heat inside but also have an insulating effect so that you can touch the printer even while the print chamber is heated to 90°C. Someone estimated the BOM for the entire printer at $1000. Josef Prusa replied that the panels and insulation alone cost more. This high temperature stuff is extremely expensive. Then there are the certifications and all the support from Vision Miner. The fact that the printer is produced in low-volume production doesn't really help to reduce the costs either.

[@NaughtyShepherd]

I should hope it prints everything, at $15,000 🤯

[@zeke7100]

It's impressive they fit all that into such a small form but $15k is massively overpriced. No one is going to be buying these except youtubers and extreme hobbyists.