4. Plato's Form of the Good

[@lesliegreenhill2389]

Excellent explanation. Clear and easy (relatively) to understand. Well scripted and illustrated.

[@GabrBecker]

my teacher showed us this video and i'm surprised it doesn't have many views, really good summary!!

[@JestEducation]

Thank you Gabriel. Best of luck with your studies!

[@ur-rahman]

@Hardlybreathing69 yes but are we not leaving the elite group by procrastinating with the comment section

[@electrictofumuffins6384]

Your teacher is lazy.

[@AdnanMukhtar]

awesome videos. the whole series is amazing

[@SOSULLI]

So you can get closer, by reasoning, to the true form? But you will never reach it? If true it would be like counting the numbers between 1 and 2. You can get to 1.01 and then 1.3 even. But it is still possible there are infinity of numbers (uncountable) between 1.99 and 2

[@JestEducation]

Excellent observation. I wonder if might relate to the limits of the physical body for Plato. I don't see why the post-mortal soul wouldn't be able to actually obtain true union with the Form of the good.

[@SOSULLI]

@@JestEducation Your last sentence is from the perspective of Plato, a conclusion he could have made?

[@bitofwizdomb7266]

Objectively speaking you can only approximate bc you can never reach perfection (how would you even know)

[@a.meforyou]

So "inclining our reason towards the Realm of Form" is his way of saying try to embody the virtues considered "good" and reject material temptation and problems? (I am a complete novice at philosophy and probably am not grasping the concepts correctly)

[@luizatorres1938]

Thank you for making it visible!

[@daranikhil5101]

just excellent. It will be good if you can provide subtitles, as your accent for few words is difficult to comprehend. (From India)

[@JestEducation]

Thank you for your feedback. We will see what’s possible.

[@uni6165]

Thank you so much.

[@threestars2164]

Something tells me that the alien race "Xylokronians" would not agree with plato. Where is the evidence from Plato that any of this is independent of human thought?

[@savvageorge]

The discovery of DNA is quite good evidence for Plato's theory. DNA is essentially just abstract information describing a form. All physical animals are abstract DNA code before birth.

[@romanbrasoveanu6035]

Helpful video

[@SuccessMindset2180]

Thus understanding in intelligence is analogy of seing under the light of sun

[@garymoran8057]

Best quote ever..someone is smarter than you.

[@pakistanislamicinfo8172]

Thanks you 💖☺️

[@pakistanislamicinfo8172]

Hey you are very intelligent 🤓

[@TimeWizard727]

From what I'm seeing: Be your best self. How do you do that? Use information and context clues around you to weed out what is and isn't immoral behavior and act accordingly.* *may be harder for some than others considering the cards you were dealt in the beginning of life. Is necessary for the good of humanity and longevity of the species. Cooperation on this "theory" is necessary and vital for the survival of said species or they wipe themselves out with self sabotaging behavior. Need a smaller microcosm example of this in society? Anyone with DID who doesn't follow this model eventually won't survive their own persecutors. They self destruct. Most DID patients attempt suicide.

[@AegisAuras]

The more I read of the great philosophers, the more I realize many of them were speaking of the same concept but from slightly different angles. Plato’s Form Of The Good, Laozi’s Dao, Hermes’ Atum, Jesus’s Father, are all the same Entity.

[@threestars2164]

Then you never understood any of them.

[@AegisAuras]

@@threestars2164 I’m sorry you feel that way. One day you’ll see what I have seen. Until then, may you find what you need on your journey.

[@a.meforyou]

Aren't they all the same idea of perfection that transcends human beings?

[@Kishiru324]

They are saying the same thing in a different fashion. The universe is paradoxical. Its a feedback loop of cause and effect. Internal emotions will respond and give an immediate physical reaction and emotional response. We are both the smartest thing and the dumbest. And at the core of it all is the golden rule. Thats how life works, but its hard because life is so varied and crazy and chaotic.​@@a.meforyou

[@glasfish]

Why has it taken me 46 years to learn about Plato?

[@JestEducation]

You are never too late to begin.

[@originalblob]

If you are unfamiliar with Plato, I suppose you are new to philosophy in general. Plato is the most influential philosophy writer of western civilisation. Most of western philosophy is either inspired by Plato in some way or tries to refute Plato. What I'm saying is, this is a good starting point.

[@electrictofumuffins6384]

Disease, loneliness, injustice is good and perfect? Ok Plato. These men made things overly complicated perhaps to elevate themselves and to keep info among the clique. We see the same type of gass bags & narcissists in academia today. Same ol same ol.

[@WillC-he2yx]

if you ever bothered to read any plato, you would know that he concludes negative forms like the ones you mention don’t exist, as they cannot be part of the form of the good. funny how you formulate an opinion without researching the topic first, yet then go on to complain about academia…ironic 😂

[@Moobeus]

Plato was on crack

[@desfurria6232]

If it exist it is The Good, but we only participate in being and particular, so from our anthro minds, we can only see the world of illusion and shadow, as a dog would see a different True Reality from me, and neither be The Real but an interpretation resembling The real but subject to change making it an opinion. So even The Good that we precive is also a shadow and not the Real Good.

[@threestars2164]

There is no nous that apprehends eternal forms, and neither is there anything special about an evolved ape in the backend of nowhere. Plato was refuted long ago.

[@desfurria6232]

@@threestars2164 Plato doesn't have the theory of forms. If One is not many then it's Good.

[@NotTheRealCodyDean]

Sounds a lot like Christianity….

[@originalblob]

It's the other way round: Traditional christian philosophy is deeply influenced by the platonic tradition. Augustine is the most famous example, but far from the only only. More speculatively, all urban elites within pre-industrial agrarian civilisations tend to develope similar pattern of thought. One of these pattern is the existence of immutable norms of right and wrong, of good and defective, that order our earthly life. For platonists these norms may come from the idea of the good. For christians they may come from God, who is both immutable and good.

[@JestEducation]

Thank you for your excellent reply.

[@paigethurnbeck6502]

@@originalblob Rather, there is no directionality of Truth. To say truth began in Christianity or it began from Plato gives the idea that truth somehow emerges from the physical localization of materialized beings rather than Truth being unlocalized and permanent through all. Its origins are in nowhere but itself so is it indeed useful to place its origins in the people of history that are transient? How do we place non-transient reality in the hands of transient reality. We see truth emerging and flowing through our projected reality as it moves from one materialized form to another. Its origin in the physical is nowhere. All truth is of Truth beyond the physical localization. To argue where it was last seen to emerge and exchange and share itself with physical people seems to be a futile use of mental energy. I do not mean to say this as a point of arguement or to disprove. This is something I have been thinking about and troubled by. We assume truth is just passed down human ideas rather than the true foundation of reality that emerges and flows simply like the wind does.

[@ready1fire1aim1]

The good is 0D Monad

[@pallabidutta968]

Plato equates the "idea of good" with God. The "idea of good" is one and real. While, all the percepts of the sensible world are "cheap imitations" of the "idea of good".

[@threestars2164]

Which God? The form of the good sounds entirely atheistic to me.

[@joecurran2811]

This is just a massive argument from silence! Shame it had such a big influence on Western thought.