Phenomenal

Probably a good video. I skipped it based on the poor audio quality, however.

This is a ridiculous "argument" that is just defining entities into existence through word games and mental gymnastics.

Great breakdown, however a worthwhile note is that the best allegory available - that of the painter requiring the image of their muse in order to create the representation of - necessitates a level of clarity over what exactly the thing in question is. "The greatest possible being" provides two assumptions within itself (greatest) and (being - the assumption any god is a being is an anthropomorphic projection of our own arrogance of understanding and natural ignorance on the inherit ineffability of god). First of all, "greatest" and other similar descriptors are pulling a lot of legwork for such a vague description of a "being". The nebulous image of god is the outline of a concept, not a complete and whole depiction of such a thing. If such a being is so "great" that it is ineffable, then by definition, there are qualities of which this being lacks. That being now lacks the ability to be understood and is impossible to depict, and ergo loses the ability to be the "greatest" of anything relative to our perception. So we are always working with an incomplete picture. - What is ineffable is entirely conceptual. There are many things in life we simply do not have the capability to understand at the moment, and so our epistemic reasoning is limited. But we have yet to encounter something other than the concept of "god", and similar ideas, of which we won't someday be able to come to a greater understand of. "god", and similar, ignore this and are fundamentally ineffable. This contradicts our ability to understand such a being clearly - ever. - A painter may not understand the way a mountain forms, nor how the weather and geology shape and construct such a natural monolith, yet the painter is able to depict the essence of the mountain with varying degrees of clarity. Always such that anyone may be able to look at the representation and call it a "mountain". This is not the same for such a supreme being. So in this way we are only able to project the facade of understanding the "idea" of the essence of god. This is unacceptable as a proof for such a supposed being.

aside from the fact that the ontological argument is a parody of philosophy which claims things that are defined to be existent automatically exist, we find that, even if we play Anselm's game, existence is not necessarily a greatness.

Very well explained, although this has always struck me as a ridiculous argument for the following reasons: - Why is it "better" to exist in reality rather than "mere" understanding? - Isn't it absurd to suggest that a person could truly conceive of god if he really existed? Just to imagine the words "the greatest possible being" is not to imagine any of the properties of such a being. - The existence of a concept is not connected to the existence of the thing its conceives. Those are entirely distinct entities. Conflating the two is an artifact of Aristotelean philosophy whereby every object is contingent on the ideal concept of the object. Insisting on this relationship presumes a heap of sophistry, as evident by arguments like this.

Excellent.

Anyone who believes in climate change is a prisoner in the cave who rejects everything that contradicts it.

If you told this to born again christians, they would tell you that you just described all of God's attributes. Word for word, all of those definitions are in the bible in some way shape or form (heh).

If anyone is the son of god then I am the Father

The red pill?

Thank you so much.

I am so grateful that I took Humanities in high school,1968-1969. I've always loved Plato's Allegory of the cave. It explains so much.

Hae bakwan bacha lee muje

Hume: The final cause doesn't exist Anybody rational: why? Hume: I ain't gotta explain s*it

I have a Mensa tested IQ in the 'High Average' range but I also have learning difficulties. I think I can grasp the basics of Plato's 'Theory of Forms', I think I understand the 'Cave' proposition from his 'Republic' and I am sure I grasp his 'Wax Tablet Hypothesis' and his "Justice being in the interest of the stronger" quote. But I admire great thinkers and their ideas and respect them, as they are and were, for being so far, far more intelligent than myself! Thank you so much for this video! I will look at your video again to try and grasp Plato's ideas as best as I can.

Sigma

Forms are real objects and particulars are their phantoms according to Plato

Oops, you forgot to offer an interpretation of the Final cause of the sculpture.

Thus understanding in intelligence is analogy of seing under the light of sun

When truth can’t be proven facts come in play

The build up from Telos to induction was really well done and resonated with me. Ty

The Sun of our material reality represents the fire of deception which the slavemasters serve as the source of their power over the minds of the slaves; the "sorcerers stone". The true "philosophers stone" of the upper world of TRUE INSIGHT regarding our material reality is the MOON, and the sun is used by sorcerers to keep minds from seeing it.

What is it made of? What is it made like? What made it? What is it made for?

What is known as the "form of good" or the Prime Mover in classical Greek Philosophy could be assumed to be the Higgs particle or the Bosson Field in the contemporary scientific terminology.

Archetypes! Jesus is the pattern!

When she was needed she disappeared 😔

So "inclining our reason towards the Realm of Form" is his way of saying try to embody the virtues considered "good" and reject material temptation and problems? (I am a complete novice at philosophy and probably am not grasping the concepts correctly)

I think that the existence of the universe and the existence of life and the existence of self proves god exists - with some reasonable doubt.

coming here after the release of a SOTA language model.

Interesting that the United States is portrayed in this analogy & how it’s labeled.

Excellent explanation. Clear and easy (relatively) to understand. Well scripted and illustrated.

We have to dig deep to find the causes.

Plato just proved Gods existence

If you still watch main stream media, you are the guys in the cave behind the wall...

Something tells me that the alien race "Xylokronians" would not agree with plato. Where is the evidence from Plato that any of this is independent of human thought?

Thank you for making it visible!

PLATO 🪄📺📱💻

Best clean look at tge analogy of the cave.

Disease, loneliness, injustice is good and perfect? Ok Plato. These men made things overly complicated perhaps to elevate themselves and to keep info among the clique. We see the same type of gass bags & narcissists in academia today. Same ol same ol.

Very good and short! Humble oppinion, there is a more accurate word than analogy, Allegory, close to Metaphor. A Greek friend, Demetrios Maniates.

Theories, concepts, beliefs and interpretations about “what is” are just shadows. They are superimpositions to "what is". To consider these shadows as the truth is to live in the cave. These shadows are based on knowledge, which is always incomplete. One can have a lot of knowledge about, for example, a bird. With this knowledge, an idea is created, an image about what we call a “bird”. The image of the bird and the word “bird” do not fly and do not sing. The image I have of myself is not who or what I am. The image I have of the Universe is not the “thing” itself. Who am I? Can there be a complete answer to this question? What is life? What is consciousness? Now I am faced with the unknowable, that I am, that everything is, and there is also knowledge, which is necessary for daily life. I have images because they are necessary for daily living. I have an image of my wife, but it is very clear to me that the image is not what she is. She is alive. The image is a shadow. “What is” is unknowable from the point of view of the intellect. In relation to the intellect I am unknowable. But I am not unknowable in relation to who I really am. Outside the cave there are also shadows. Are they a problem for the one who is outside?

From what I'm seeing: Be your best self. How do you do that? Use information and context clues around you to weed out what is and isn't immoral behavior and act accordingly.* *may be harder for some than others considering the cards you were dealt in the beginning of life. Is necessary for the good of humanity and longevity of the species. Cooperation on this "theory" is necessary and vital for the survival of said species or they wipe themselves out with self sabotaging behavior. Need a smaller microcosm example of this in society? Anyone with DID who doesn't follow this model eventually won't survive their own persecutors. They self destruct. Most DID patients attempt suicide.

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This Plato didn't have a clue what he was talking about. Can we admit he was wrong?

This is just a massive argument from silence! Shame it had such a big influence on Western thought.

I'm just getting into Philosophy now so forgive my ignorance. But, the philosophy of Plato as presented here sounds a lot like what I've learned of the Vedantic tradition's (Buddhism/Hinduism), in that the world as we perceive it is "illusory", and the truth cannot be ascertained by its observance. But then the video goes on to say that Plato is considered a dualist, because of the difference between the mutable & immutable,. But Buddhism/Hinduism are unequivocally not dualistic, they are the opposite. I'm struggling to see how they reach the same conclusion, but are considered the opposite ontologies. Can someone explain for me? Obviously I need to read some Plato lol.

this screams the 4 kabbalistic worlds

Plato was on crack

Thank you on behalf of 5th sem Pol. Science department