40 X90 Pole barn floor. (SAVED $3000 ON CONCRETE!!!!)

[@jasonstarr6419]

Lots of years in construction. Did concrete when i had to, but too rough on my knees and back. Tons of respect for those who do this work!!

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks Jason. It’s like anything else it gets easier the more tricks you learn. Still some days still suck. Lol 😂

[@chrislamb471]

From Marshalltown. Thanks for the shout out for a product from our small town.

[@bondobuilt386]

Chris your welcome. We like to use your products. 👍👍

[@karencary3312]

Love that your grandson wanted to help and you gave him a job he could handle. Builds a good work ethic and later skill sets. A lot of teamwork with your guys. Great idea using the culvert pipe.

[@bondobuilt386]

Karen thank you. I’m hoping to instill a work ethic in the little dude. I think it’s working because he wants to help every time I bring him. 👍

[@ianoconnor2461]

Im glad to see someone doing it correctly. Im 3rd generation. A tip that may help. I drill a hole in the cap of a water bottle and tie it to the handle of the power trowel with a nuce so i can take it off and fill it. When you need a shot of water just grab it and give it a squeeze.

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks man 👍 That’s a great idea. My buddy put a water bottle holder off a mountain bike on his. He said it’s his beer holder. Lol 😂

[@davedavis662]

I hope you paid little man for his efforts, great way to teach them the value of work. It can set the motivation in place for later in life when it’s required. I remember today the little I earned with my grandparents when I was young. Thrilled me to no end I felt part of a work crew and it was one of the first time I felt pride in my work. That carried through my entire life, I’m in my 50s now and you can tell those who have it and those who don’t.

[@bondobuilt386]

I completely agree and yes I paid the little dude. 👍 Must be working because he was crying because he ran out of things to do and thought he wouldn’t get paid. Lol

[@markymarc37]

Ive been in the trades 30+ years myself..carpenter/ installer/ steel roofing/ pole barns....and I like your videos because your like one of the guys, I could have worked with over the years. My house burnt down in January, here eastern Ontario. I want to go radiant heat and ICF...paying close attention, thanks!

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks Marc. Sorry to hear your house burned down bud. that sucks. Any questions along the way hit me up pal. 😊😊

[@1UTUBEUSERNAME]

lol The short worker is a good worker.

[@jrace2718]

Great videos!! Lots of tips and very interesting seeing how experts do it.

[@erwinaddison2030]

Chute! That's a good idea😆

[@bondobuilt386]

LOL Thanks Erwin. 👍😊

[@raulzamora4069]

Cool. El maestro with crew. Nice work and explanation. Down too earth.

[@bondobuilt386]

Thank you 😊

[@theRodofwar]

Great Video !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Very EXPERIENCED !!!!!!!!!

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks Rod I appreciate that. 👍😊

[@Johnny0005]

Awesome job

[@jwhayes1965]

I enjoyed this video enough to subscribe. Great content and straight forward presentation without a bunch of fluff.

[@bondobuilt386]

Awesome. Thanks so much. 👍😊

[@bluebird5100]

I really like the way you pour. Can't stand soupy concrete either. Although I only pour footings for foundations this is a really good explanation of how to pour a nice slab.

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks I’m glad you liked the video. We pour footers too. 👍😊

[@Markatmjm1974]

The best idea ever! Light and productive extension 👍

[@bondobuilt386]

thank you it did work great. 👍👍

[@timothy8466]

Hahaha Bondo I love the way you figure shit out lol. $1000 savings!! I have done and still do the same thing, and when I look back into my family, because of these processes my son and daughter have come to learn to think outside the box, not be a victim of their cumstances

[@bondobuilt386]

Timothy thats awesome. Nothing better then one day you look at your kids and realize that everything you tried teaching them through the years sank in at some point. LOL. I got 2 boys and I see that same thing buddy. 👍😊

[@neeko2482]

Great video. Thanks for making these

[@bondobuilt386]

Absolutely. Your welcome. Glad u liked it. 👍👍

[@jamesmucci9344]

Solid work fella

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks James 👍😊

[@KoverageContractors]

Thanks for the videos. Love it

[@bondobuilt386]

You are more than welcome I’m glad you are enjoying them. 😊

[@upsideways]

Good job

[@bondobuilt386]

Thank you 👍😊

[@tommckinney3947]

Great idea making your own chute! I can see you using this on other jobs. Money in your pocket!

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks. Most definitely I will Tom 👍😊

[@belindafalgout1675]

Smashed it. Lol 👍

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks. Lol 😆

[@thomasme9676]

I thought the spray foam would not only seal out water and concrete but also add strength. You showed how the side walls of the pipe flexed foam might help. I installed radiant heat in both wood and concrete floors back in the early 90's and the people still love it.

[@bondobuilt386]

Thats awesome. Thanks. It is something that never goes out of style. Warm feet that is. lol 👍😊

[@mitchyelvington4776]

Nice job!

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks Mitch 👍

[@squeekhobby4571]

Great job

[@bondobuilt386]

Thank you 😊

[@bigears4426]

I did the same with a sheet of roofing iron , it worked well

[@bondobuilt386]

Awesome idea buddy. 👍

[@juanescorza9583]

Great video, very informative. You make your videos enjoyable. What type of concrete do you recommend for a 45’ x 50’ pole barn (future wood shop) in Minnesota?

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks. I like a 4000lbs concrete mix. We use low air entrainment in barns that will not be heated all the time. We get pretty cold winters and snow. I prefer wire mesh over fibers but you can run both if your budget allows.

[@fyrman9092]

I like the flag. Caught part of the concrete company truck name. Looks like Vitale. Guessing this was built in Cayuga or Oswego county? Love the ingenuity for the chute. Paid for itself on the first job. Don't have to rent a buggy either.

[@bondobuilt386]

thanks yes Vitalle and Oswego county. I own a track buggy but I dont drive it on tubing jobs. 👍

[@rickokemp1244]

Brilliant! Liked and Subscribed

[@bondobuilt386]

Thank you 😊

[@rogerweaver7686]

Cut a lot of these culverts to make risers for tanks etc. I found that an electric chain saw worked really well.

[@bondobuilt386]

Roger thanks for the tip. 👍😊

[@bondobuilt386]

@T M thanks I appreciate that. 👍

[@italRotty]

CNY here ! nice job !

[@bondobuilt386]

Awesome! Thank you!

[@reneposthuma2307]

Hello Why don’t you put some foam around the piping In my time we dit that all the time When you put in the interior walls you have some play on the piping. For the rest perfect work 😊 Did not see a lot of this nice finished concrete.

[@bondobuilt386]

Good idea with the foam around the pipes.

[@jrjacobs7357]

A question from someone who has never worked with concrete. Does the wire screen get lifted so it's burred in the middle of the concrete or does it sit on the bottom? I thought its purpose was to provide added strength to the concrete? Great video!

[@bondobuilt386]

The wire gets pulled up if wet don't have tubing installed. if there is tubing we don't pull up because it will put tubing up where it will be damaged. at that point the wire is there to hold the tubing in place so we add fibers for extra strength. you can staple tubing down and put wire on top. I might start doing it that way. we did one that way at the end of the season.

[@bondobuilt386]

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[@markymarc37]

Im looking to go maybe 40x50 14' tall shop..I wanna put the house on top, icf floor and 10' walls and flat roof ( icf )...have you ever worked with any of the icf floor/ roof forms? I know this a bit of an oddball..but so am I..haha

[@bondobuilt386]

No never done on like that Marc. That seems like an expensive build.but interesting for sure. 👍

[@georgeheller2281]

Wheel barrows? Hand screed then power screed? Only half the building? Wire under the tubing? It looks like you made the job much harder than it needed to be.

[@bondobuilt386]

Maybe you didn’t watch the video. We didn’t wheel barrel at all that would have sucked. Done it for years. We did the slab in three sections not two I explained why in the video. We used fibers in the concrete and yes the wire is there to hold the tubing down as explained in the video. We used a hand screed to set wet pads for grade as I said in the video as well. One small area we pulled it down with the hand screed to knock the high spot down. The job was not that hard at all we didn’t think? Thanks for the feedback but I’m not sure you watched the video and listened to the voiceover explaining everything?

[@MrSprintcat]

Is this considered slab on grade? And do the polls go directly into the dirt? Is there a different option. And will you be doing another video on start to finish on the cement work? Everything I see on KZbin has rebar in it thanks for the video

[@bondobuilt386]

This is just a pole barn slab. Yes the poles go in the ground down 48" and sit on a piece of concrete at the bottom. There is a better option to put sono tubes in with post brackets or Perma Collums they are a concrete post that hooks to the 6X6. more money but way better no wood in the ground. We put rebar in monolithic slabs. and they are a slab on grade with an integral footer.

[@bondobuilt386]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/sJDCYoKFftp7d5o this is a monolithic slab on grade buddy.

[@bctw9004]

What do you use for a vapor barrier under the 2 inch insulation? And do you use tape between the 4x8 insulated panels? Thx. Love your Channel

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks. 6 mil polly vapor barrier. We do not tape the seams. It will move when you wazlk on it and the tape will come off

[@bctw9004]

@@bondobuilt386 I’m finishing my semi truck shop pole barn. (Already built) 30x50. Going with 6 inch concrete. Get my pad prepped lay vapor barrier then 2in insulation with mesh and pex. I moved to Nashville Tn area from upstate Ny and cannot find a contractor anywhere that will tackle this. So..... I’m doing it myself. Sure appreciate your knowledge and videos.

[@bondobuilt386]

@@bctw9004 Thats awesome buddy I am so glad I could help ya. Sounds like you got everything good with the project. 👍😊

[@jimhendrix7776]

What does metal meshing do laying right at the bottom of the concrete? Seems like a waste of money to me, why not raise it? Ps im ignorant lol just trying to learn for this springs driveshed pour

[@bondobuilt386]

Jim. We always pull it up unless there is tubing attached. The tubing is best left on the bottom. We use the mesh to lay out and tie the tubing. The mesh is a 6” grid and tubing is layer at 1’ on center. If the slab was 8” thick I would pull it up. We put fibers in the concrete so that was out extra reinforcement when we run pex because the wire does not get pulled up. Thanks for the comments buddy. 👍👍

[@rhaulman]

Just curious why you don't install wire mesh on top of tubing? Use staples to hold down tubing. then add the wire. This would get the wire mesh into concrete more. Plus that would give you the option to pull wire mesh up to middle of concrete pour.

[@bondobuilt386]

The wire makes a real nice grid for laying out the tubing and getting thge loops exactly the same. We could have layed another matt of wire on top of the tubing but we used fiber mesh in the concrete. Some customers will pay me to put rebar down as well. Depends on the budget of thge project

[@user-zu2bw7ig5v]

@@bondobuilt386 why not get a staple gun and staple the tube to the foam? I've done that for many years and it's much cheaper and faster than mesh

[@bondobuilt386]

@@user-zu2bw7ig5v I like using the mesh it helps to lay the pattern as it’s 6” grid makes it easy I think. We lay it down fast and it’s not that expensive buddy. 👍👍

[@daniellemccray3735]

How did you attach the culvert chute to the wooden sawhorses?

[@seangorman6341]

What gate wire panels did you use? Trying to decide on #3 rebar or wire panels.

[@alphabrett2502]

New to the channel and just subscribed. Your videos are awesome and I'll be watching a lot of them. I'll be building once the prices come down a bit. I saw the New Haven Building Supply shirt and Vitale's truck, looked you up and we know a lot of the same people! Small world man. Do you always do 12" spacing? Even for a home basement or second or third floor (not in concrete). The house will be very well insulated. Right in Palermo. Apologies if you explained it in another video. Haven't gotten there yet.

[@markrayburn451]

Great info ...Cut out an existing floor ... laying out about 1000sf soon ... 250 in garage 750 work area ... garage will be tied in at a later date ... do you mind sharing the info on the pump, manifold, etc ... thx so much ... from down in the Finger Lakes ... Looking forward to running the dogs up on the Hill outa Houseville... "Keep your powder dry & your irons oiled" ... Thx Mark

[@bondobuilt386]

Mark awesome we have a camp in Montague. Snowmobile up there. You can buy these manifolds and the pump on line from Supply House. That same pump I used will work for most applications.

[@markrayburn451]

@@bondobuilt386 What model pump would you recommend for 750sf ... 3 @ 300ft loops ... taco 009 ... what model # ??? Thx Mark

[@bondobuilt386]

@@markrayburn451 Taco 0015-IFC This is a three speed pump and it will handle many different applications and it’s cheaper then the 009. Taco built it to cover 007 008 and 009 applications. And it uses less power to boot. 👍👍

[@markrayburn451]

@@bondobuilt386 Any other "parts" needed ??? Got the pump &flange in my cart ... backflow valve ... etc ??? Thx & Stay Safe ...

[@bondobuilt386]

@@markrayburn451 You need your manifold I just use 1” copper ones if tubing is of equal length. You will need a proper sized expansion tank and an air scoop. You will probably need a taco zone control box to hook thermostat to as well. It’s hard because I dont have all the info about your system.

[@time1800]

20 ft r panel and use fiberglass step ladders 6 ft and 4 ft to support the r panel in a u shape concrete slides down it nice.

[@bondobuilt386]

What is an R panel buddy?

[@bondobuilt386]

@@svenulfskjaldbjorn5401 oh thanks. I didn’t know what he meant. Lol

[@JohnnyRocket54]

Great idea on the concrete chute. Question: Where in the slab profile does the mesh and tubing end up? I didn't see any chairs or anyone working a hook? Is the tubing and reinforcement intentionally left on the bottom? I totally enjoyed getting your grandson involved as it definitely grows a good attitude towards a great work ethic later in life... thanks for the video.

[@bondobuilt386]

John thanks buddy. 👍 Yes I love teaching the littlre guy to work. The tubing is always left on the Botton so we did fiber mesh in the concrete. We always hook the wire but not in a radiant slab because that tubing needs to stay on the bottom. It works better there and it won't be damaged. If thge slab was say 8" thick we would pull it up a little bit. Thanks for the comments 👍👍

[@resovoirdog100]

how much did the concrete , rebar and materials cost you total in the end? I need to do a 40x60 pole barn floor.

[@bondobuilt386]

Concrete varries so much from placde to place. We are paying close to $150 a yard here in central New York. A 40 X60 floor at 6” thick would take 44 -1/2 yards of concrete. If we need a pump to place the concrete its another $1000 for that on top of the cost of the concrete.

[@MrKenhaigh]

Sorry to question your knowledge but why did you not use supports to centre the rebar in the concrete?

[@JordanMQ25]

I was wondering about this as well, I thought you had to have it suspended in the concrete or not only can it rust, but it won't provide the support?

[@bondobuilt386]

No problem 👍There was no rebar in this slab. We used wire mesh tyo hold the tubing down and fibers in the concrete for reinforcement.

[@nighttrain022]

That sure is a nice batch of most everything going smoothly for you on the prep, pour and screeding/floating. 30 years is one major run in concrete. Around here, I have gotten asked to " help" on pours and the usual result was I show up and my " friend" who asked for help is ill prepared, less than enough and less than skilled or even strong enough help to finish a pour that is way smaller than what you show here. By the time we finish, it is usually down to ME as having done 90% of the work and little kids and friend with physical ailments that make even screeding a 16 foot screed a tough job basically a one man pull and a race to finish before it goes off. Nothing worse than a pour like this being the norm.

[@bondobuilt386]

That sucks buddy. Sounds like you should have them at least watch some of my videos first. lol I have busted my ass on jobs just like what you describe. Im getting to old and smart for that crap. lol I hire enough guys and use good equipment. Sometimes I could use a few more finishers. Most my guys cant finish but I'm teaching them but you would know how long that takes. 👍👍

[@nighttrain022]

​@@bondobuilt386 Thank you for your fine videos and showing how when one works smarter, it sure can make even huge jobs seem smaller. Sadly, in my toughest lack of help, lack of avoiding my own pain being multiplied situations, it was usually instances of me being asked to HELP a friend get Their Job done. One Basement pour and one Sidewalk pour in particular. It was definitely hard to be doing 2 men's work and a bunch of young teen or even under 10 year olds as the balance of the help then to essentially have them being useless. Thankfully if myself or other pro contractors have had concrete jobs, we have had the manpower and resources to make the job an efficient division of skilled vs grunt laborers on hand.

[@bondobuilt386]

@@nighttrain022 understood. Nothing worse then not having enough or the proper help or tools to get it done. Thanks for the comments buddy 👍

[@billr6344]

Im thinking of doing a poll barn, what area of the states do you work in?

[@firemanj35]

Two x two aluminum angel 1/4" thick bolted to the top of shoot. Chain ran under an over to a hook mounted on the side. Runs over the truck ears shoot. Becomes part of the truck

[@bondobuilt386]

The trucks around here dont like to let us hook to there chutes because of the extra weight it might brake there chute.

[@tommckinney3947]

What size tubing are you putting down? Thinking about putting this down in the basement and wondering what size water heater or pump to use. Is it okay to use a wood boiler to heat the water and what is the max temp you can pump? Thanks again.

[@bondobuilt386]

Tom the tubing is 1/2” oxygen barrier pex. The heat demand will dictate the size water heater u need. A 50 gallon gas or oil heater will do most jobs. A taco 009 pump works for most jobs as well but I would want to know more info before sayin for sure. I run my house and shop from a wood boiler and mix the 180 water down to 120 into the in floor pex tubing.

[@tommckinney3947]

@@bondobuilt386 Ron the basement is 2000SF and I was thinking of 6 loops of 333 feet to use up two 1000 ft rolls of pex. Planning on using Nudura ICF from foundation to roof, 19.5 ft tall and 2 inches of ISO foam under slab.

[@bondobuilt386]

Tom I would run 4 500’ loops of the tubing. It will be much easier to keep the lengths the same. 1 Taco 009 pump will handle those loops fine and you can just use a cheap copper header. I’ve done it about 20 times. A 50 gallon HTP Phoenix light duty water heater in natural gas or propane will heat that entire house.

[@anthonyklein2944]

Just a question, what contractor honors a one year old bid? That is crazy right? With material prices constantly changing, and more often than not going up, this makes no sense to me.

[@bondobuilt386]

Yes I agree. I honored it because of COVID the job got pushed back. Really not there fault. Mine neither though. Lol 👍

[@cooldog60]

I like the flag!

[@bondobuilt386]

thanks 👍

[@PlanetMojo]

New to the channel and just subscribed. That worked awesome! I like seeing solutions like this for those of us not made of money 😉 I'll be building a shop soon and I may need this trick. A thousand saved is an awesome new tool for the new shop 😊 -- what area are you in?

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks for subscribing buddy. Wet are in Oswego county New York. 👍😊

[@MrSprintcat]

Thanks for the video . where are you located? Kansas I looked it up. Thanks again

[@bondobuilt386]

Your welcome 👍 We’re from upstate New York. 45 minutes north of Syracuse. I been to Kansas hunting though. Lol

[@MrSprintcat]

@@bondobuilt386 okay I looked up the area code. I thought I said Kansas 816 that was Bond remodeling sorry. We used to go camping every year in Upstate New York. Fawn lake.

[@bondobuilt386]

@@MrSprintcat Nice. Small world buddy. 👍👍

[@bondobuilt386]

@@carriegreenleaf9612 northern ready mix is doing most of Amazon. We use vittalle Robinson most of the time. Was still hard to get concrete this summer for sure.

[@nathanielreid4967]

👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍

[@jimmysright1362]

What is the building going to be used for?

[@bondobuilt386]

They will live in the back and a race car shop in the front 40x60 area.

[@kmjsocket]

Does this stuff need cut/sawed?

[@bondobuilt386]

Yes we cut it. It shows in part 3 of this series. 👍👍

[@kmjsocket]

@@bondobuilt386 never seen how its cut with radiant. I was taking notes thanks for reference suppliehouse online ima get some pex pipe to plum my garage. Your honesty makes you shine as a super awesome dude Sir!!

[@bondobuilt386]

@@kmjsocket Thanks man I appreciate that. I.ll send you a link to a video of how I cut floors with a demo saw. 👍👍

[@bondobuilt386]

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[@bkhadley9981]

Do you do work in the central square area?

[@bondobuilt386]

Yes we do

[@bkhadley9981]

@@bondobuilt386 is there a way to contact you

[@andysparks7381]

How thick is this slab?

[@bondobuilt386]

5-1/2" thick

[@ryanwelder5379]

What was the height of your top stand

[@johnbabcock2925]

What diameter tubing do you use for the cement floor??

[@bondobuilt386]

Hi John. It’s 1/2” oxygen barrier tubing.

[@Mark_Chandler]

why didnt they pour the floor before they put up the walls?

[@bondobuilt386]

The carpenters aren’t always thinking of us poor mason guys. Lol 😂

[@Nodularguy1]

Excellent idea ! subb'd your channel . I like a get it done kind of person. It ain't stupid if it works.

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks Jeff. Welcome to my channel. I agree with that statement buddy. 👍👍

[@tiffanyjackson7638]

love it! I will be building new construction ina few months in a fairly mild climate. With that being said I’m trying to decide what spacing would be best for my home & thickness of insulation. Our frost level is 18”. Any advice would be appreciated. I subscribe, thanks for the good no fluff video.

[@bondobuilt386]

Thanks for subscribing Tiffany. 😊 I need more info on the house. Is it going to be built on a concrete pad? Is your question how much insulation to put under the concrete and the tubing spacing? or something else?

[@tiffanyjackson7638]

I’m sorry, should have been more clear. Yes, on a concrete pad, 40x40. Since it’s a mild climate I wondered if 1” insulation would be enough? And would 9 or 12” loops be best. Any help would be helpful. Thanks

[@bondobuilt386]

Tiffany stick with the 2” foam it will work better no sence in heating the ground even if its a milder climate. You should do 1 foot of tubing per square foot of space. You have 1600 square feet so I would run 4 - 400foot lups and run it on a wire mesh grid. this will space tubing 1 foot apart. I have a few videos on how to run the tubing and it will work perfect. I will send links. Dont forget to insulate the outer edge of slab too thats more important then under it.

[@bondobuilt386]

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[@bondobuilt386]

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[@patriot2872]

whats the red hose for?

[@bondobuilt386]

That is for heat. Hot water is run through the tubing and heats the concrete up. Its called in floor radiant heat. Works great 👍👍

[@patriot2872]

@@bondobuilt386 so, I guess the hot water won't crack the concrete, that's good thanks sir. 👍

[@bondobuilt386]

@@patriot2872 no it won't crack it. Your welcome 😊

[@bunkhindman3241]

Where are you located????

[@bondobuilt386]

Hi Bunk we are in upstate New York. 45 min north of Syracuse.

[@kenactofkindness4017]

ground cover 6 by 6 gggg lol number 3 18 x 18 best who me inspector engineer contractor retired 40 yrs

[@bondobuilt386]

Yes rebar is best. 👍

[@deejohnson5163]

18" thats what he said LOL.

[@bondobuilt386]

LOL

[@robertcoppola7654]

if your business doesn't make enough to buy a chute that if your a concrete guy should have at least 2 of them your doing something really wrong!!!! seriously