40k Cheater Caught On Stream - Earns 1-Year BAN | Warhammer 40k News

[@TacticalTortoise]

Go subscribe to Tabletop Live you silly goose -> www.youtube.com/@TableTopLive

[@Talfrost144]

Hey just so you know they were wanting to avoid name dropping. May want to edit the video especailly as the player in question is stepping away from 40k. Also showing the team name as well likely isnt a good idea as the other players on the team shouldnt have to deal with potential fallout from the drama.

[@BECAUSEBAZ]

Why take the stream down its not fair for to the other players who didint cheat, also it raises awareness of what to look out for when playing against cheaters

[@TacticalTortoise]

Totally up to TTL and I respect their decision - they want the event and their stream to be recognized for fun and interesting games and I support that.

[@Unflappabledelladuck]

If they're banned, I don't think letting the internet set the guy on fire needs to be part of the punishment 😂

[@RFischer]

Seems that stream could have been easily edited. It was the last matched taped, right?

[@nox0underling]

@@TacticalTortoiseand drawing attention to the fact a day of coverage was deleted and covering up for a cheater. It’s not a good look

[@dementiamaster12]

Maybe edit it, right

[@Gwlyddyn]

This player is apparently well known in the Toronto area for this kind of behaviour.

[@Capt1ve7]

@mcdoogle_robotmanfirst time caught cheating, his previous infractions where for player conduct

[@Capt1ve7]

@Cravatronyelling and arguing with judges

[@acorr14]

​@mcdoogle_robotman Because it's discrimination in Canada to punish someone for doing something wrong

[@kevinnobacon1126]

Ive known Chris for years. Not surprised at all to see this come out and see him get banned again.

[@TheAgentmigs]

What makes you say that?

[@kevinnobacon1126]

@@TheAgentmigs like i said ive known him for years. He has a reputation and has had red cards at other itc events.

[@Mortybarkeep]

Chris who

[@MastemaJack]

Pretty easy to say something like this with no proof other than trust me bro

[@maxmote23]

ive know kevin for years, he wouldnt lie about something like this.@@MastemaJack

[@ChristianVonCarmian40kVtuber]

A bad look for Sisters players everywhere, they do not represent us - to the Repentia with this one!

[@Krachbumm-Ente]

This guy belongs into a penitent engine. Not only did he cheat he was also boasting about his epic gamer skillz on the TTS server

[@dementiamaster12]

Maybe he considered those cheats as miracles of the emperor

[@MastemaJack]

Dumb way to look at things.

[@Saf_Ibn_Sayyad_Bacon]

It's how every sister player I've Ever met is sadly 😢

[@danielbishop6743]

We have a "That Guy" in our area. He's been banned from all local 40K events because no one will sign up for an even with him in it. He moved to AOS...and now he's banned there too. But he still travels out of the area to play.

[@chefblaze7022]

Well we dont know who youre talking about so youre part of the problems

[@nonegone7170]

@@chefblaze7022 Are you always this moronic?

[@GrimdarkSandwich]

I think the sheer amount of misplayed rules informs that the player was in-fact cheating on purpose and was using those misplays as a way to hand-wave away anytime they are caught or confronted on anyone individual play. In a lot of games just one or two misplays like that can be all the difference, but when there's that many and it's an undefeated player? Yea I'm calling bushleague shenanigans.

[@cristalpowah]

I've played two team tournament against the guy and he got many complaint about his attitude and poor sportmanship im glad to see i wont be seeing more of him in the future

[@Viewer41]

Keep calling out the cheats! 👏

[@iainclark2959]

Tabletop Live streamed our event in Kingston a few weeks ago - they are great people.

[@TheAgentmigs]

This game relies on believing your opponent is playing honestly..it hurts the community and introduces a level of skepticism that isnt beneficial to the hobby at all.

[@Carpatheon.]

Well technically all of society relies on believing others are participating honestly. When people cheat to get an advantage, everyone is hurt, whether its a game or a business. Cheaters ruin things for others, and far to often, in life and gaming, they are not held to account. I am glad to see some accountability here.

[@anniedarkheart5224]

@@Carpatheon. When rules and mechanics are arbitrated by a non-human, gameplay manipulations are usually not influenced by players. For example a card game "relying on players playing honest", comparing the ability to cheat in MTG and many of those tricks not even able to happen in Hearthstone. Hearthstone doesn't rely on players being honest like MTG does.

[@suntzu6122]

​@@anniedarkheart5224... hearthstone is on mobile not cardboard..

[@anniedarkheart5224]

@@suntzu6122 Astute observation.

[@suntzu6122]

@@anniedarkheart5224 Ill level with you. In a MTG tourney they should just use Arena or MTGO on LAN

[@sumsarprat]

This game is so reliant on good faith, and trust. That TOs have to come down hard on cheaters

[@AncientIrishCelt]

I'm attempting my first ever tournament (casual, 1k 3 rounds) in a couple weeks despite being into 40k for several decades. My single biggest fear is cheating unintentionally in any way. I'm pouring over my WE index and the rules and my army details the past few weeks and from now until the day in question. I'd rather get battered off the park in all three games than even inadvertently get a rule wrong that benefits me.

[@TacticalTortoise]

Honestly the fact that you feel that way is a big old green flag from the start. Keep your reference cards handy, double check stuff you're not 100% on, and don't hesitate to ask a TO if you're not sure about an interaction and you'll be golden. :)

[@AncientIrishCelt]

@@TacticalTortoise That's such a kind thing to say brother as well as taking the time to say it. I am reminding myself that Khorne just wants the Blood to flow so i shouldn't worry too much. I am doing the work so the game goes smoothly. I will let you know how I get on ok? 💪

[@burroc5536]

Sorry but competitive tournament play brings this out of some people. I’ve seen it in small and larger events. Vast majority of players are legit but these types of players are usually easily identifiable and well know in their local areas.

[@kevinmyers6747]

If you misuse one strat or misinterpret one rule it can be viewed as a mistake, but when you have multiple instances along with the cheating in measuring, it’s safe to assume it’s intentional

[@prava163]

1 year ban for a hobby? Give them a 5 year ban, worldwide.

[@ConspiracyOpossum]

They'd probably have to ban so many of there players

[@itsfelbourne8254]

Pathetic to not just ban them permanently when it is blatantly intentional. The kind of person who has the mentality to cheat has no place in competitive gaming, period.

[@suntzu6122]

​@@itsfelbourne8254exactly. If youre 16 and you cheat it should be perma ban or at least 5 years.

[@lordskrothus]

they customer base is too small to do that, if they do it they will lost profit in like 10 years, the player base is toxic from a start so many cheat if they can

[@SilimSavertin]

You do know there's no worldwide 40k tournament authority, right? There's literally no way to ban someone worldwide, be it permanent or for a time.

[@Johnnymarzo]

Ban hammer feels good

[@leovaeg]

He's lucky they didnt declare Exterminatus on his heretical ass...

[@johnathangoldsworthy]

I for one applaud the streamers for not making the matches in question public and the TOs for their swift and decisive action on the matter case closed !

[@nikot.9920]

I dont normally play at competitive 40k events, but cheaters definitely need to be taken out of any form of the game, it ruins it for everyone.

[@triplethreatsportscards]

More judges are needed for 40k to walk around the venue and police these issues. How someone managed to make it all the way to the finals without being warned or DQ'ed before that point is crazy. If GW is going to be providing prizing in the forms of golden tickets to Worlds then there should be more stringent oversight on the games as they are occurring. Have 1 to 3 judges for a 90 person event is unacceptable for any game. I am glad that action was taken but this could be avoided if there was a standardized judge program which I think is something the 40k community has called for for a long time.

[@delryn256]

Thank you Toronto GT staff for taking this action. If only other GT organiser supplied such quick justice.

[@luckyskaven13]

The most important question with a 1 year ban is this: how many events does that cover? A 1 year all ITC ban is a lot bigger than a ban that has 2 GTs a year. The other huge contributor here is sportsmanship. I make mistakes too, but if I found myself miraculously at a top table and won by a misplay two things would be true. 1) my opponent would never have said sportsmanship was an issue. 2) the moment it was called to my attention I'd have instantly offered to reverse the game score. I bet I wouldn't catch a ban on that case. Genuine mistakes happen, but they always exist within the framework of the rest of your behavior

[@lewisbenzie845]

1 year ..... Should be permanent.

[@mordenthex8554]

It seems easier to get banned from a bar than it does from a tournament scene. Got to take a Hard line with this kind of thing to weed out the bad eggs. You get caught cheating, your done. no do overs, no coming back. game over.

[@MastemaJack]

Dude I got kicked out of a bar for a shirt. A plain shirt. It was black and yellow. No writing. Happened a few hours north of where this tournament took place.

[@mordenthex8554]

@@MastemaJack loooool.

[@MastemaJack]

@@mordenthex8554 that's why I question this. Canada is notorious for punishing people for dumb things like that.

[@mordenthex8554]

@MastemaJack I mean, none of us were there, so...can't really say for sure, but if you're being watched on multiple cameras, play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[@MastemaJack]

@@mordenthex8554 I don't disagree with you there. But you would think the judges would call things out as they happen in the final game.

[@imdurant]

This is so frustrating. We've all been there, the "why don't I re roll morvenn vahl's hits, my opponent doesn't know its only while leading a unit" but because most of us have self control and a basic amount of respect, we don't. Moreover, at an event like this? I would actually sell every single model I owned and never show face again if something like this happened to me. Ban or not lol.

[@Ultramarine4th]

The problem with just talking it up to mis plays every time, is that just about everything you can do to cheat in this type if game will look like a misplay. Short of loaded dice and moving models when your opponents back is turned, its hard to prove. Thats why the red card system is the best solution. TOs need to follow through and playerd need to be less passive. If you arent sure about something ask to see the rule or call a TO.

[@Dr.PatrickC.Bailey]

Use of stratagems aside, I see tons of players not pivoting their vehicles on stream. Its so common that I didn't think pivoting was a rule, and even argued against it when someone brought it up to me during a game we were playing.

[@steadydets]

I was watching this stream, Chris was such a dick to his opponents. Talking mad shit to his opponents, cursing for no reason. He was such a dick

[@Ryotbh]

Oopsie-doopsie, did I misread a rule that benefitted me? What a mistake.

[@poetnwar1234]

We need more referees or rules checkers at the tables during tournaments. At least at the final few rounds, if nothing else.

[@GrimdarkSandwich]

It's hard to find someone that knows even most of the armies, let alone is willing to give up their weekend to police a tournament, even if you're paying them to do so.

[@ArstKoben]

​@@GrimdarkSandwich if they're getting paid then you just train them bro. Companies that set these events up usually have other events too so you can keep them on payroll so you don't need to retrain every time.

[@LordGreavous]

@@GrimdarkSandwichguess you havent met the MTG judges, they pay tog et trained then judge events for free. some people just like the game

[@jacket2848]

​@@LordGreavous they absolutely shouldn't be judging events for free.

[@ninjamikeus]

I’m curious if any other players were put under such a level of scrutiny, especially the opponent at the final table. Also, how in the world did no judge catch any of this before the event was over?Literally hours at the final table and no judge was watching long enough to see him move vehicles?

[@knoxminis1211]

Well written letter from the TOs. Most corporate communications from giant companies are not as well written. EDIT: Why would the streamers ever be responsible in the first place? Their job is the broadcast of the game. It's not like I blame a channel on the TV or the camera men when a call is maybe missed by an NFL referee, etc.

[@tafnac75]

Stratagems and tactics i can understand someone getting wrong, but measuring, no that is a fundamental and should never be wrong and if he's doing on the final table it's pretty much assured he's been doing it before. You don't need someone like that in the hobby

[@temperfy]

imagine cheating on live stream with a judge standing next to him all the time

[@MastemaJack]

Then it should have been called out on the spot if a judge was watching

[@Tydusis1]

As a casual player aspiring to be competitive, the sloppy movement in somewhat forgivable, if both players are playing by intent and agree that, for instance, a charge was supposed to be impossible. Playing by intent helps removes the gotchas that exist in a game where things can literally be decided by millimeters. The misuse of stratagems tho, that is unforgivable.

[@NerdLantern]

my problem with this game is that it’s still too ambiguous I prefer games to have like a board of some kind. The idea of objectives it just feels tacked on. Then the game is way too complicated they have like four different stages you have stratagems then you have all the crazy rules.

[@ZakArgo]

I'm curious to learn how the opponent's behavior was during the game as well. I can only assume he or she had a "gut" feeling something was going wrong. I say this because I make another assumption: if you are at the finals in a GT, you are probably very familiar with other factions. I've only been playing for about a year, so excuse my newness... Ave Dominus Nox

[@xeno-chris]

I think in this case it is clear. But I think one has to be carefull where to draw the line. Half of the specific examples mentioned could happen to anyone in a 6. game of the weekend. Forgetting to spend a CP, forgetting that a unit is battleshocked or even missplaying a strat in the wrong phase. Palyers should be given the benefit of the doubt to a certain degree, even at top tables. But again, here the case seems to be clear. Specifically using a strat after the hit roll and chating on moves is a huge red flag and is not something you just do by mistake.

[@Barricade706]

I dont understand the rational of privating the evidence against the player. There should be transparency in their ruling and the events that were caught on camera, almost feels like they don't trust the community to come to the same conclusion they did.

[@J0vile]

Giving away how you catch someone is a sure fire way to nene catch them that way again. You either trust the group that wants your money, or you don't. By asking for their methods your basically asking for them to help cheaters get better. Personally, i see corporate run events as little more than a way to make money. Do they care about fairness? Only insomuch as it affects their bottom line. The only language they speak is greed.

[@xurben1]

He should be banned from all competition. At least 5 years. We need real consequences for this crap. Without them it will never be the true competition people want.

[@danielphelps2138]

I know the Aeldari player likely doesn’t play Sororitas, but why didn’t they say anything to the judges? Yes, they probably don’t know all the rules for their opponent’s army. But the movement abuse should’ve been obvious to somebody invested in the game if spectators caught it. With the frequency of competitive cheating, I’m amazed the top table doesn’t have a dedicated judge as well.

[@Ryzearn]

Movement is measured from the front of the base to the front of the base right?

[@TacticalTortoise]

Not exactly; movement is measured based on the path travelled by the part of the model that moves the farthest. So if you rotate your base or model, it will cost you extra inches.

[@nicholaskudriavetz4824]

Trevy you do a great commentating on miss plays players are making. I’ve had the privilege to be on your stream and you’ve stopped mistakes before they’ve happened. I know other streamers take a strict hands off policy, but I know that I appreciate NOT making a mistake in the moment rather than finding out about it later…

[@Dethectic]

Once a cheater, always a cheater. Perma ban required.

[@yeturs69420]

Did he ever make a "rules mistake" that was bad for him? Thats the thing to look out for to see if hes just a sloppy player or a proper cheat. Looks like theres more evidence in this case tho

[@Eric-mw1gr]

what an absolute nightmare of a game to try to be competitive in, holy shit

[@eviljoshy3402]

In the words of Commander Shepard. "Cheaters shouldn't prosper"

[@richfielder6337]

In my opinion the lack of sportsmanship the TO mentioned should be the reason for the ban personally I would say 6 months with a longer ban for future infringement to allow them to change. 40K is a complex game and highly inaccurate almost every game I have watched on stream has a doggy measure or a misplay that could affect the outcome so you have to accept some of that but it should at minimum be fun to play that’s where the sportsmanship comes in, talking through a misplay talking out a possible measure issue etc.

[@Antnerd]

It totally sucks to lose access to your hobby, and maybe this is the dude's only outlet, and maybe there were other people cheating who were NOT on stream... ...BUT... The dude did it all ON CAMERA, he couldn't help himself. If he can't help himself from cheating on camera, he definitely can't help himself from cheating when there's no video evidence. Now he gets to take a step back for a year and figure out why he plays this game that's supposed to be a cooperative hobby experience.

[@itsprivate3061]

this might be an unpopular opinion but if this just keeps happening maybe there should be harder sanctions, just turn it into 2 years and then go from there

[@wojciechprzewozniak597]

Giving unfair advantage to the eldar player. Not the right solution. Stop the game, call TOs, issue first and final official warning. On second instance stop the game call 2 TOs to disqualify, give the opposing player 100 points win and inform ITC with the player credentials to possibly be disqualified for the current or following season.

[@07jakclu]

If the game continues surely the eldar player is at a disadvantage as cheating has already taken place? I think it calls for a restart but that's not fair on anyone, but if someone's gonna lose out it should be the cheater I guess

[@bigbruce4114]

Wooh, warhammer goal semi achieved. Name shown on TT's channel. Just need a win to get featured now

[@bodhisitter]

The idea that streamers have to also be T/O's is ludicrous. Imagine any other gaming event where the camera dude and announcers have as much pressure as a ref, this is insane.

[@TacticalTortoise]

Other games have refs at every match - 40k doesn't have that luxury

[@dragonwyrmdracodracul8361]

@@TacticalTortoise In competition that shouldn't be a luxury but a requirement.

[@Broken_But_Not_Broke]

Ban every loser that blatantly cheats at playing toy soldiers….

[@Brenator18]

So why didnt the opponent call out the miss plays and measurements? He's literally watching what the other player is doing and just letting it happen?

[@TacticalTortoise]

Not everyone knows all their opponent's rules, and it's hard to call out mismeasurements after a model has been moved, especially with terrain in the way or if their attention is elsewhere. Plus some folks aren't super confrontational which bad actors can exploit.

[@poetnwar1234]

The rules are literally at your fingertips now. When someone plays unit or strategy that your aren't familiar with, pop open the app and take a peak. 20 seconds. I had can player trying to use Dark Ob. Against my overwatch. Opened the app and found it was only for the shooting phases. This prevented a massive abuse and possibly others because he now knew I was wasn't afraid to question him with a rules check.

[@johnballstein2510]

@@poetnwar1234 this is a pretty silly comment a ridiculous pretense that the onus is on the player who is the victim of cheating to call out the cheats. The onus is on the other player to not cheat. The content you are talking about that is so easy to check on the app is locked content so what you're saying is that you expect every player to own every codex for every faction and also to know every rule and strat in every codex. There is no expectation of that in reality. The expectation is that you know your own army rules and play them fairly following the rules. Surely you can see how you are incorrect here.

[@tuxiepapa84]

⁠​⁠@@poetnwar1234 eventually all army detachment rules will be locked out except for codex’s you personally own. You can’t expect every player to own all codexes to have at their fingertips. 40K should be built on a high trust social contract and its players like this cheater that ruin that trust.

[@poetnwar1234]

@@johnballstein2510 That is the expectation, but given we are barely into March and are now on our 3rd major tournie cheat scandal, maybe it is time for players to remember that not everyone is playing by the honor system or even really knows the rules of their own armies. If you are unwilling to check these players when in doubt, you are not only hurting yourself and the community overall, but you are inadvertantly allowing it to continue onto the next player or event. Until tournies start having more TOs and referees available at the tables, YOU the player are responsible to play correctly OR call out those who aren't. Letting it go unchallenged is the incorrect path here.

[@scottseaver4070]

Stuff like this is why I don't play many tournaments. Weak enforcement of the rules, but by god if you show up with something other than GW plastic. Print your minis and play with friends, forget the high prices and the cheaters!

[@EfaunAipiera]

I refuse to believe that you manage to get to the top table of a 90 player tournament without knowing your timings and rules. I would consider every single one of these intentional.

[@ryanzecchel8955]

Any thoughts on returning to Warmachine MK4?

[@TacticalTortoise]

Fairly safe to say my Warmachining days are over

[@hanyolofpv1249]

​@@TacticalTortoise Ah that's too bad, it's picking up a lot of steam lately. A lot of players on the West Coast are picking up MK4 with the new minis and refresh.

[@thomasshaw61]

I don,t understandwhypeoplehavetocheatin40k?I haveneverplayed inatournament,butI havebeencolectingseveralarmies:Tau,Orks,Votann,Tyranids,Necrons,Astramilitirium,Sistersofbattle,etc!

[@sportsbanter3885]

Cheating should be taken seriously, I believe a one year band is fair and should suffice, a 2nd offense would be a permanent ban if it was me, but for now they got it right imo...

[@jasonmccracken840]

He was banned for a year at an event in the states about a year ago.........

[@bigfattij]

I hope you never get tired of making videos. The coverage is always great

[@one_above_all5864]

Please stop covering up bad behavior. Let people see what not to be like.

[@TheAgentmigs]

Good. Cheaters dont get punished harsh enough if you ask me.

[@Saf_Ibn_Sayyad_Bacon]

In my lgs sister players and grey knight players are the worst cheaters

[@ByronC900]

Magic the Gathering did the same thing.. every time a cheater is caught, they give them a 1 year ban or some pathetic DQ. We have had the same people cheating in MTG for 20+ years. Not exaggerating.

[@danielhughes3758]

I'm very glad that most of the sisters community is not like this

[@hahaufarted]

I actually know the guy. He used to own a store before it went out of buisness. Hes been DQ'd before in at least 2 other tournaments for cheating and poor sportsmanship, once in ottowa and once in america, and would play in his own store's tournaments specifically to get ITC points and win the tournamnets. He would straight up tell newer players that got him in the tournament to "forfiet the tournament game, you'll have a 70-100 loss, and then we'll do a freindly."

[@Krachbumm-Ente]

The story gets worse and worse

[@kevinnobacon1126]

I know Chris as well. We've banned him from local events at our store too.

[@jasonmccracken840]

I was a new player in one of his tournments in his store he did exactly that and then was still a dick

[@nurglematthew893]

Thanks for the summary

[@Ng-zg4dq]

Thank you to the cheaters for the drama.

[@taten-jinmu718]

Not knowing his rules is a black spot but okay. But too many mistakes and bad faith reactive responses for that to be the case. 1 or 2 rules sure. Whole thing? Nope. 1 year too light imo but its appropriate to disallow him from participating for the rest of the tournament year

[@Spacefrisian]

I cheated in my recent battle, i brought Eldar.

[@TacticalTortoise]

shameful

[@Wes-xk6hl]

You monster

[@Viewer41]

Eldar have been so broken recently, everyone knows tournaments won using them done count.

[@thejdi]

Overly complicated game having (opportunity for) cheaters? Say what now?

[@Grieva-SeeD-]

It's easy ro do when the game system is absolutely bloated with rules and strategems. You are trusting your opponent amd thetr will always be one who abuses it. Guys like this were likely bullied and they use winning at 40k as a power trip.

[@AchillesHeel3]

Hands up if you assumed this was going to be William Abilez like I did

[@DarioSpina97]

Dang, I gotta watch out for cheaters. I'm just getting into 40k. And I'm from Toronto lool

[@nthnthms1212]

You should lookout for cheaters in most money related events

[@DarioSpina97]

@nthnthms1212 oh ya. I'm half joking, lol.

[@ed8869]

I'm glad he was caught!

[@eddieballaris2939]

Using Light of the Emperor like an instant in MTG is crazy lol

[@Warrior51970]

Why cheat at a game of army men?

[@LGHDTVBBQ]

not the first issue the community had with this guy. also notorious for just being an overall bad game.

[@AlvarazCMSB]

ive had a few misplays recently, my general disinterest in a lot of the rules in 10th led me to misread/confuse certain rules, like I forgot that free strats only affect BT strats now (because I played admech and we don't really get free strats very often), didn't notice they fucked with the invuln saves and movement characteristics of several units several times, things like that. Not getting a lot of games in btwn local tournies has been a major issue here, but seriously, GWs rules this edition are so confusing with the rules being split up between dataslates and the codex lifecycles being short when it should just be updated in the rules. Hell i even got confused with how breachers get their rerolls (they just need a battleline) but i got confused w/ the sterilyzors somehow (need battleline AND the enemy on an objective for wound rerolls). Like, they even changed kataphrons from 6" move to 5" and kastellan robots from 8" to 6" move btwn editions for no other reason than to mess with people who know they move 6" and 8" respectively.

[@thenapalmbrothershq5585]

I don't really see the point in cheating 40k.

[@MegaQuizy]

There are no players in the game anyway, what happens if they cheat, what happens if they don't cheat, some people enjoy cheating, some like to mess around, no one can say anything about it, if the company that wants the cheating to stop puts cheat protection anyway, this is not difficult anymore :) I am against those who cheat in competitive games, who cares if they cheat in other games or not.

[@TheDrewcas]

Imagine cheating at a game of toy soldiers...

[@Azrael178]

Honestly, every single one of the cheating examples mentioned can be chucked up to a honest mistake caused by being tired, or misremembering... But there are just too many of them to give the benefit of the doubt imo. Especially if the player behaved badly as they said

[@TacticalTortoise]

Yeah for sure - everyone messes their timing up once in a while or misremembers a rule. But doing it on a bunch of stuff at the finals table is certainly cause for concern, especially if they had other infractions.

[@d-rex7043]

Get caught blatantly cheating and being a **** -> Models go into the furnace. Fixed. 💁🏻‍♂️

[@KaiHouston-m6j]

I think a 2 year ban should be the standard for cheating.

[@chefblaze7022]

Im from las vegas . And i thought i was crazy being a new player but id say 50% of the community cheats aos or 40k . The gameshops allow it to happen as well and act like they dont know so they dont lose a customer. Lol

[@dlear85]

Cant imagine being so into plastic soldier's that i would cheat at it 😂

[@jasonmccracken840]

Lol just gets over his last itc ban to do it again.... ban him for a year? Its crazy i have played him and he is toxic

[@Sylasfaoladh]

unironically the guy is selling his whole nids army on facebook

[@thelegendsmith3063]

It's fair I'd like more I played the cheater that got caught in Texas due to that loss I was unable to play in the finals he went on to win and get disqualified but I was denied the finals where I could of won or been 2nd changing the final result helps only 1 of the 5 games said Individual plays. Banned for life

[@Krachbumm-Ente]

@LFG - 40k Competetive GT winning sisters list

[@Karl.dingus]

thats a deep cut

[@alexy9124]

Streamer should NOT interrupt the game for ANY rules or cheating act in game. That not his or her job, the team is there to stream and only stream.

[@mkulchar]

So u would rather them get away with it.. sound like u are pro "win at all costs"

[@jjcc8379]

I was wondering what "steam" this was on . (Steamed Hams?). Then I realized you meant to write "stReam". :) Anyway, great that the banhammer still hangs around :)

[@TacticalTortoise]

cheating on steamed hams is punishable by death would be much bigger news ;)

[@sportsbanter3885]

I was thinking the same...lol

[@tbd3058]

This stinky virgin drama is hilarious 🤣

[@Carpatheon.]

I have encountered "sloppy play" cheating in every game I have ever played competitively. Its the kind of thing that can be excused as an oops if your opponent is called on it. Players can pretend they are new to the game, or learning a new army, or perhaps try to play it off as if they are just plain dumb. To me, this kind of cheating is some of the worst, as it erodes faith in the game itself. Some players genuinely make these mistakes, and a few of them by a player are not a problem, assuming they are pointed out and remedied. It seems this guy used this method on just about every aspect of his game play. That is not smart, especially if you are playing on stream where thousand of players are watching, and its preserved for posterity.

[@matthewberry3055]

Cheating at a game of 40k. I bet he gets all the pretty girls.

[@Damnedlegion40k]

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[@greybuckleton]

1 year for first offence seems fair. Clean yourself up bro and work on your skill not your cheats.

[@jasonmccracken840]

This is not his first or second or third.....

[@greybuckleton]

@@jasonmccracken840 well, probably lifetime ban is in order then.

[@raddarat8471]

Average sister player

[@joeladkins1046]

Also not the streamers job to act as a judge