40K - RELIC TERMINATORS - SATURNINE & IMPERIAL DECAY | Warhammer 40,000 Lore/History

[@Luetin09]

Egg Terminators are a thing, but they ain't called Saturnine. Its all lies.. but theyre entertaining lies.. and in the end isnt that whats important? The answer, is no. This one ended up taking me a fair while longer than I anticipated. Will be back on with more stuff soon. As always big thanks for all the support, if you enjoyed hit the like. I'll also be trying to line up a few other things that are not the standard fare relatively soon that fit with the channel.

[@pf6797]

Thanks man, always enjoy your work.

[@PluvioZA]

Don't sweat it, always worth waiting for quality.

[@ryanjedloe771]

Id rather you take your time, not get burnt out and keep delivering Grade A content. Moar please. Take as much time as you need. Please keep having tangents.

[@trustysource7568]

'Terminators and Tangents' should be a podcast. 100% good effort, as usual Luetin.

[@Jordan-ob7nz]

Thanks Luetin, just what I needed today! Time to put on headphones and get lost in some grimdarkness!

[@bentnosewp]

I can imagine the Business Insider video “Meet the Martians keeping these suits of armor alive for 43,000 years”

[@zwei2084]

One of my favourite comments, maybe ever

[@erikstenhammar]

Or Vice: "I'm about to take acid while building a Titan with the cult Mechanicus.

[@bentnosewp]

@@erikstenhammar “This is Alphiatan van Ovowe, and while you may not see his augments he was personally trained by 25-Narv, Augmented Fulgurite of the Solex Crucible. Each supplication to the omnissiah and anointing of sacred machine oils, is part of a process that dates back to the imprisonment of the void dragon inside the Noctis Labyrinth….”

[@scottnunyos2315]

They die to fast to last 43,000 years no way lol

[@Redishere]

@@erikstenhammar vice are heretics... exterminatus!

[@flo1fication]

I just got home after a chemo session where they botched the first IV attempt and busted a vein. I laid down as the exhaustion kicked in, bracing myself for 3 weeks of feeling awful. Then I got the notification for this, and instantly felt a little better. I am now laying down, listening to an excellent Warhammer 40k Lore video. Thank you.

[@Luetin09]

Greatly sorry to hear you having to go through all that, wish you the best and a solid recovery.

[@flo1fication]

@@Luetin09 Thank you, sir. Everything will be okay. I have a 3+ Feel No Pain.

[@Luetin09]

@@flo1fication Fantastic, keep smashing it !

[@MrMarar0]

Best thoughts and wishes send in your direction!

[@8Delian8]

My dad just went through the same thing with chemo and he just finished, but one of his legs has some form of paralysis and got very swollen (heard it attacks the nervous system too). And the doctors here are pretty indifferent towards the situation. Keep fighting. Despite the incompetence of others.

[@peskymogwai7742]

The fact the hobby mirrors the Imperium endlessly amuses me. Scouring endless "tomes" or "data stacks" looking for some obscure lore or rule like a scribe in the administratum. In the 5th edition main book a little quote suggests the terminator armour was originally what dark age of tech humans used to work on plasma or warp cores. Wonder what there actual armour was like, if they even needed it.

[@simon1003]

It says the same about Terminator armour being adapted from armour used for warp core maintenance in the Rulebook from 1st edition Space Hulk or one of the two expansions. Can't remember exactly which book though.

[@arg31ify]

And yet in the 41st millennium people just get sent into melt when the warp reactor needs refueling (as per lotions worst job video)

[@shaggybaggums]

@@simon1003 I like this idea for the stuff like the image at 44:05 , it looks more industrial than military.

[@peskymogwai7742]

@@arg31ify thats the best bit about the grimdark of the 41st millennium, the poor refueling serf has to do die, (I mean do his solem duty) because the commanders are wearing "Terminator armour" as personel armour. Not only because they have forgotten its original use, but the idea of wasting such a precious resource on a serf, (I mean denying a menial the honour of serving the Emperor, in the Holy and solem duty of refueling a starship) is a waste and blasphemy, agaist the Emperor and the Omnisiah. And even if the Imperium found some kind of actual Golden age of technology armour/weapons the puritan Inquisitors would probaly destroy it, or the mechanicum or custodes would hide it away, because actual dark age tech is DEVASTATINGLY dangerous. Thats why Imperial armour is probably based off of technician haz suits, and a lot of Space marine vehicles are probably based off of colony/farming STC template data, retro fitted with weapons by the Imperium. Because actual golden/dark age weapons tech would be to much in the hands of anyone, especially after the age of strife and the heresy.

[@peskymogwai7742]

@@shaggybaggums yeah but the shoulder pads definitely look like some tech priest thought about giving terminators 3+ invunrable saves, but it gave them slow and purposeful, or made there move 3 inches 😂 the plain unimbelished indomutus pattern is probably closest to the original haz suites, as the Imperium got better at retro manufacturing them, although I would guess the crux terminatus has a less powerful field than the original haz suits, and still takes longer to create the suits. I do like the look of the "Mk 1" though, very rogue trader 😉

[@jemeyezedten3930]

Do love the eggy boy terminators though. Headcanon will always be they were standard pattern until the imperium started experiencing huge attrition via battle Brothers stuck in doorframes. Welded in place, they became bulkheads Even in death, I still door 🚪

[@CBRN-115]

Brother, I am pinned here

[@Dennis-vh8tz]

I believe that should read: Even in death, I still _in_ door!

[@PressA2Die]

"Can't make it! Door stuck! Door is Stuck!"

[@SIGNOR-G]

@@PressA2Die *STAHP*

[@KertaDrake]

On the bright side, best security guards ever!

[@KageRyuu6]

The Saturnyne Void Armor doesn't heal the wearer, rather it's just a fancy way of saying it's self sealing. After all the armor is designed for hazardous environments.

[@jaomello]

This! Like self sealing (Or self-healing!) fuel tanks on military vehicles.

[@henryphillips6167]

nice desert punk pfp

[@dic_tater376]

The desert punk would know guys

[@oglej]

And if you think about it one of the most hazardous enviroments around sol would be within Saturn itself

[@andrew3203]

You'd think so, but no. This isn't a layer of rubber sealing itself, like we had in M2. The tech is M30 and literally too advanced to be reproduced. Which is why Guardsmen in M40 use flak jackets.

[@no_one01-5]

"..epic and simultaneously kinda derpy." That has to be the best description of WH40K.

[@robertnett9793]

:D Indeed.

[@jbark678]

My first impression of space marines when I was younger.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Lol

[@flare9757]

I only recently realized these are actually in the lore and not just concept art, and couldn’t find much on them. Thank you for making this.

[@NoobMicesters]

If you watch Death Of Hope on youtube you get to see one in motion: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rmrah2WpfNGLoLs

[@okonkwojones]

Leakycheese has a video with the OG mini

[@Dynatron9000]

@@NoobMicesters that's a great example. The thing felt like 8 tons of walking metal in that animation.

[@pedrobastos8132]

Saturnines were the very first Terminator models GW ever released. I thinky they were quickly phased out because they kinda looked too goofy (I mean, they looked like power armored Humpty Dumpty)

[@colescott9982]

The burried dagger has a good passage in chapter one page 50 to 55

[@mbp1652]

Let none forget the cameo in "Death of Hope" one epic walk by.

[@UGNAvalon]

I knew this looked familiar! Time to scour for a rewatch!

[@RedwolfDogrocket]

Ah yes. 'When you are a Terminator and the Terminator she tells you not to worry about walks by' meme! Terminator Daddy Armour!

[@alexwolf2845]

Maaan if only we could have seen it in action!

[@ごちそう]

I just watched that because f this comment; so awesome

[@user-ko3tv7jl2r]

@@ごちそう Death of Hope is possibly one of the finest 40k creations ever. Hint - the 'previews' are in fact not excerpts, but rather mini stories of their own.

[@Gormathius]

Luetin's power of tangents is so great it can spawn entirely new branches of lore discussion. If he's not himself the God of Tangents, he has at the very least created one through his actions. Remleiz, get on it.

[@davidmeigs2152]

Chaos God of Tangential Conversations Luetin?

[@sethjewell7879]

For real. 😭

[@kylemackinnon5696]

Lindybeige would be proud of his tangentability. Just a question of the quality of his scholars cradle now

[@sunny3545]

"Oh neat a video of X topic!" 5m into the video: Here's the entire history of the Tau empire and how it affects agriculture on imperium of man hive worlds

[@Official_Proxy]

This massive, unique terminator armor heavily reminds me of the Obliterators. They have the same sort of shoulders-over-small-head, overloaded with heavy weapons visage.

[@laziboi5285]

Its my headcanon that the obliterators are them but corrupted by chaos

[@napoleonfeanor]

"confusion leads to mythical awe" Imperial culture in a nutshell

[@JHS270694]

@@insiainutorrt259 him...

[@backpackpepelon3867]

Religious dogma are dragging humanity down even in 40k 😅

[@disturbedfan545]

Human culture in a nutshell

[@bobbyshipman6824]

"An elegant weapon for a more civilized age" -Obi Wan Kenobi -Luetin

[@twilightgryphon]

Imagine the meltdown a member of the Cult Mechanicus would have seeing a lightsaber in action lol

[@philipeanthonybattung3860]

@@twilightgryphon light sabers are so stupid that the Mechanicus would scratch their head.

[@twilightgryphon]

@@philipeanthonybattung3860 I think you have that backwards, given that the Mechanicus believe that machines need verses recited and incense burned in order to check an engine's oil level. :P

[@adambman2]

"Hello there!" -Obi Wan Kenobi Your move, Luetin, haha

[@jagnestormskull3178]

@@twilightgryphon I mean, the Imperium already has Force Swords, its basically the same concept; a magick scifi sword only wielded (UNDER MOST CIRCUMSTANCES) by a warrior-monk with psychic powers. And yes, lightsabers are magick. If you want me to, I can tell you why, but this is 40k.

[@LegendofLaw]

18 minutes ago? This is the channel that got me really hooked on 40k. It's like getting a Christmas present in July!

[@roactheraven7689]

Its august mate

[@Scanlaid]

It's like taco tuesday at Gary Busey's

[@spaghettimkay5795]

@@roactheraven7689 lmao

[@LegendofLaw]

@@roactheraven7689 you're right friend. It's a saying I heard somewhere.

[@khorney202]

A friend of mine who became interested in 40k through hearing me play lore videos and audio books in the kitchen in work, told me a couple of months ago that this channel is what got him hooked on the lore whilst giving 40k a look 🤣

[@almachizit3207]

A repeat-fire combi-volkite rifle would be amazingly effective. An initial volkite shot embrittles the armour, followed up by a volley of bolter rounds shattering it and eviserating the target underneath

[@hostilebogeyinbound]

By the Omnissiah, cease your tech-heresy!

[@tarektechmarine8209]

The problem being the heat of the volkite and difference in range.

[@EddyOfTheMaelstrom]

​@@tarektechmarine8209 bruh I have an overcharged plasma gun on all my combi-bolters. I have some sprues with melta gun combi-bolters. A melta gun is a fusion reactor that is unshielded towards one side. If that isn't too hot, the space magic laser isn't too hot.

[@Pile_of_carbon]

"Epic and derpy" is probably the best description of 40k I've ever heard.

[@squidcultist0022]

It's dumb, but it's the fun kind of dumb

[@sirrathersplendid4825]

@@squidcultist0022 - I think ‘absurd’ is a better word than derpy.

[@flumbofrommelkont6863]

I always wondered what the deal was with those, but I kept being unable to look them up because the name escaped me, figures, it's because it has no name and saturnine is a red herring dreamed up by the fandom. Extremely fitting for 40K really, for superstition and rumour to hide the truth from us.

[@inthefade]

This is what makes it all so fun.

[@ernestoa.jimenez3206]

Unlike real life... oh wait

[@colby1398]

@@ernestoa.jimenez3206 Right? Too many people still believe shit like covid exists.

[@charonel]

@@colby1398 Feel free go and educate yourself by licking some toilet seats please.

[@guywhodoesstuff3314]

Yeah, they were just the first terminator miniatures produced by GW.

[@DanielWW2]

Praise the Emperor for the Loremaster has returned.

[@ChillAssTurtle]

*yes*

[@redfog2010]

Let his untainted voice sing true among the stars with the old knowledge of mankind

[@mikeysgametime8914]

Let the omnissiah be praised

[@aoofmg6684]

Hail Luetin, scribe of the Golden throne

[@Sanguinor_Energy]

esteemed remembrancer slash rogue inquisitor -_o

[@__-jt4tv]

2:25 - in the Grim Darkness of the Far Future, there are drag excavators like those already quietly rusting in England's fields. I love 40ks Retro Future vibe.

[@zagorith14]

That Mk 1 Saturnine "Pattern" looks strikingly similar to the aliens at the beginning of the Fifth Element movie. Those rounded shoulder pauldrons is probably why it looks so similar.

[@martinschebesta2989]

:-) true, that was also my first association! i doubt though that there are marines that look like Mila Jovovich

[@seanmadson8524]

​@@martinschebesta2989I am now imagining Chris Tucker in WH, and it is glorious

[@conflicthorizon]

You are spot on, on so many things. I loved your ramble. People, most of the young people don't even know how to use a cassette player. That is only about 30-40 years old tech. I can't imagine 40,000 years in the future.

[@thomasboys7216]

Honestly, that's actually a really good comparison. We have similar "tech decay" in the realm of computers too. Thinking about operating systems that have been lost to time, like the various Symbian versions, Palm OS, the early 8 bit OS for the Spectrum, Amstrad and Commodore. Even NASA has similar issues with programmers being called out of retirement to help debug code on early satellite s.

[@techniquerules]

Yeah but we could just go online or to a library and teach ourselves how to work a tape machine in afew hours. The imperiums problem is not only have they forgotten, its their ignorant fear of remembering. They kill, burn and supress anyone or anything that would remember or recreate because their afraid of what might happen.

[@NKWittmann]

@@techniquerules their problem is that they don't have an internet, not that they burn anything. They actively look for STCs, you know. All the records from the dark ages were destroyed, much like if an apoc happened and the internet disappeared and every hard drive broke after a few centuries. It's back to square one and functioning computers have become extremely rare after thousands of years of post apocalyptic "age of strife"

[@NKWittmann]

So every time they find a working computer with blueprints for space guns inside they duty fully copy it exactly. That way the mechanicum can produce the guns without even understanding how it works. And that's the case of most 40k tech. They produce them without knowing how they work, because they have the blueprint for it but not the theory leading to their working. And having the blueprint for extremely advanced tech is better for the Imperium than speculative science at this point, because that means starting from square one more or less. And so when they lose STCs they are lost. They can't rebuild the tech from scratch. It explains the whole mechanicum behaviour.

[@NKWittmann]

That's what most fans call "dogma" but it's actually taken from Louis Pauwels' book "Morning of the Magicians", did you read it ? Because GW did.

[@Cam-ks8yz]

I really appreciate how much effort goes into each of these. The structure and polish to the way you present these makes it so easy to instantly dedicate 40min to relaxing and listening, what a joy

[@kristopherb]

3:18-3:22 "Now Space Marine armor looks by comparison drab, dull, practical." Like Bandai's new Primaris Space Marines captain figure.

[@inthefade]

This is how I feel about "Primaris". I think they should be scrubbed from canon.

[@arknova7602]

Feel like they could have wrote it better

[@tfan2222]

@@inthefade Been like, 4-5 years and they have been written better, it is time to stop complaining about primaris and start focusing on the much bigger problem that is gw’s policies.

[@viktordickinson7844]

Like primaris marines in general

[@viktordickinson7844]

@@tfan2222 primaris still looks lame tho

[@flzi0002]

@Luetin09 there was an example of "lost technology" I can share with you right now: I worked for an automotive company that produces some dedicated thermal-Devices. Some of the shapes and especially ratios are still there, but people don't understand anymore why they where done that way. The original designers died long ago and there are no research papers readily available.

[@INSOMNIAREX]

I'm only a 3rd of the way through and I have to say, this is masterful, it's one of your best, LT. The attention to detail and the excellent delivery of the information presented, bravo, sir.

[@DavidELD]

"The Astartes are the best equipped of all forces within the Imperium..." Custodes: AYYYYYY YAAAAAYYY YAAAYYYY YAAAYYYYYY YAYAYAYYYyyyyy!~

[@themeanestkitten]

I can hear it in my head😂

[@ChristophelusPulps]

"I understood that reference."

[@zatnikutel635]

the "equipped" part makes this statement true

[@hailstormrising1634]

Lmao, that's glorious! If I knew where my sticker collection was I'd give you the Emperor's star! Let's see how far this goes lol....................................

[@_hector__]

Grey nights

[@LAV-III]

Classic luetin, wants to talk about something simple and becomes absolutely philosophical

[@DragonKnight7166]

I always assumed the 'light scouting tank' was a joke since Creed used to let you deepstrike a Baneblade or something?

[@snallygaster5]

Wasn't the "light scout tank" the deodorant tank from White Dwarf?

[@marrvynswillames4975]

@@snallygaster5 the deodorant tank was a land speeder

[@AltoStratusX1]

I always thought this was stupid in the specific case of the Baneblade. Ie Terminator armor the whole "AND this was just the MINING ARMOR" to give you an idea of the power scale works and is entertaining. But a scout tank is supposed to perform a specific role. A primaris repulsor is highly mobile, doesn't use tracks, is fairly light, can mount sufficient armament for probing attacks and can carry a contingent of foot scouts. It's superior in the role of armor scout in every way to the Baneblade. While I'm sure it's lighter armored and smaller then the implied monster tanks of the dark age, it is too big and unwieldy to effectively perform its given role, it's heavy and has treads. Like it's a dog shit scout vehicle IN 40k times so how in anyway would it be better in the dark age? As a hyperbole as "their light tank is our super heavy tank" just doesn't seem to work for me. Sorry boys that rant got away on me.

[@marrvynswillames4975]

@@AltoStratusX1 its because people dont know how tanks work and have fantasies of tanks so big even the third reich would find ridiculous

[@NKWittmann]

@@AltoStratusX1 the land Raiders Proteus is mentioned as being an exploration vehicle originally, so that's probably the one you're looking for

[@unvaccinatedstraightguy5327]

Honestly, the "Saturnine" suit looks A LOT like a terminator suit for Lion El Johnson's non Astartes that joined him on crusade (Luther would have a terminator suit, and when you see the non Astartes power armor they possessed, this Saturnine armor looks like the terminator version)

[@nicholasscott3287]

The official artwork I've seen of Luther has him in standard power armor, not Terminator armor.

[@cartouchator]

You are forgetting that the dusk raiders (death guard) used nearly exclusively cataphractii terminator armours, and the death guard still does (both for blightlords and deathshroud terminators). They are also very distinct rules wise, they get a 4+ invulnerable, and 4" movement and half advance rolls.

[@demonic_myst4503]

Death gaurd are traitors so that arguments poontless traitors use relic tech its like stating becuse iron warriors use mk3 armor that mk3 isnt a relic

[@lupuskonig9]

@@demonic_myst4503 ?

[@demonic_myst4503]

@@lupuskonig9 whats so hard to understand their The claim that because a traitor legion usses a armor so often that the armor isnt a relic is rediculs Everything the traitors use are relics thats their entire stick like iron warriors use mk3 armor a aincient relic from before the heresy i

[@PluvioZA]

Terminator time? Oh yes, I've been waiting for this. Always the best timing!

[@Palemagpie]

"astartes are the best equipped force in the imperium" **Laughs In binary**

[@GnosisZX]

Yah who do you think gears them without the admech there genetically enhanced asses would be fighting with lasguns

[@christopherblackburn6811]

Yeah da big mek knocked up this kombi shoota wit all da shiny gubbins. Beakies got nowhere near da Dakka it Dakkas.

[@leonardomarquesbellini]

@@christopherblackburn6811 YUZ A SNOT OR SUMFING? SPEAK LAUDER YA GIT

[@kosmokat111]

I wonder if it's possible for an Ad-mech to be non-binary lol

[@Khornecussion]

@@kosmokat111 Prolly not. They all sexually identify as attack servitors.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

"I'm sure many guardsmen would appreciate an enclosed set of self healing armor like the saturnine pattern" Catichans would disagree, you only need a cool looking pair of camo pants and MAYBE a bandaler because you gotta put yer knife somewhere

[@simonlarge2052]

The only reason they need somewhere to put a knife is because they need both hands to relieve themselves.

[@SonsOfLorgar]

@@simonlarge2052 wrong, that's why they have single edged combat blades, so they can clamp the between their teeth while relieving themselves...

[@sincerecritic1881]

You always have your built in pocket….

[@KiopysPlace]

@@simonlarge2052 can i just walk out the door and pretend i never read this comment before

[@ahmataevo]

@@sincerecritic1881 - The prison wallet?

[@grimfrostoreson5800]

Vulcan Pattern, I like that. I also like how that story pretty clearly implies Vulcan was making suits to fight other space marines with prior to Istavan.

[@JennyfaninSweden]

Magos: My Lord, how big do you want the shoulders to be? The Emperor: Yes

[@MedicalExamUK]

I do hope you are backing up all your work with what has been going on in GW, which itself has fallen into state of decay and stagnation. Great video as always.

[@inthefade]

Fitting

[@joevenespineli6389]

They liked their created universe so much they decided to replicate it irl

[@busterbackster1]

@@joevenespineli6389 what people don't remember is they have been replicating it for 30 years now, this isn't a new shitty thing they do

[@NateB]

There’s always Rumble or LBRY.

[@johnturner3455]

21:04 "Except the grey knights armour is specifically grey"

[@fkjl4717]

Looks more like silver to me.

[@JCDFlex]

"The Imperium of Man is decaying... in other news, water was discovered to be wet."

[@alexandersokolov7001]

Heretic

[@JCDFlex]

@@alexandersokolov7001 Darn it, i was exposed... only a heretic would know there is such a thing as water!

[@svenweihusen57]

The most amusing fact about 40k is that this Imperium would make superb villain in any other storyline. Phobic of nearly everything, pseudo religious with an untamed Inquisition, technologically failing and not caring for the fate of Billions working for the Imperium. If there had been anything better you would most likely call for war on the Imperium of Men. And still this setting works because it has so many faults that everyone can see where to improve it to save humanity.

[@YourManifoldWorld]

If I recall (this is way back in the early 90s), I remember when this old "saturnine" terminator armor first came out in a white dwarf, it was just called terminator armor. There was obviously no designation or any fancy titles for it. I distinctly remember reading about it as armor that was used in hazardous environment, it was a suit more designed for deep core drilling or radiation filled environments. It was never designed for warfare until they applied armor plating to it. Basically, it was a machine built and designed for construction work. It was the squats that helped designed it. The squats were the first to design "terminator armor". Bet you won't find that information anymore since GW decided to wipe the squats from the universe. Ah, I still remember hit and run Squat Trikes....I miss those lil'buggers.

[@TheDeadbone1961]

Yes, I recall the MK1 (as I like to call it) might have had a Squat variant. I miss the Squats myself, and was also fond of the Ogryn heavies.

[@jirojhasuo2ndgrandcompany745]

Hello squats

[@Bass-ef3dr]

Guess who's back?

[@stevepalpatine2828]

Back again. Squats are back. Tell a friend.

[@mattthornhill554]

Y’all it’s a good dang day, our boi Luetie dropping more knowledge

[@Mindboggles]

Praise the Loremaster!

[@radektomasek5870]

So Luetin is one of the 2 lost Primarchs? Alright i dig.

[@Jamio_]

Mate I used to watch you in the Arma zeus days but have never really been into 40K so held off on viewing all of these videos in the same way. God I was missing so much, these are easily the best 40K lore videos around. I may or may not have been binge-watching them in the last few weeks. Great job

[@bobloerakker7010]

Welcome brother.

[@itsDavoBro]

I always thought that I read somewhere that Terminator Armour was adapted from suits used to mine asteroids and work on ships and was designed initially to be powerful enough to resist micro meteorite strikes. Is that just me?

[@doorstopper674]

Ive heard of this before, might be old lore

[@davidshapiro5919]

I just wrote the same comment a second ago

[@SamuelButts]

came here to say this, i think it might have been in a white dwarf years ago back when white dwarfs included lots of interesting lore

[@alexandredevert4935]

This armor design forces you to look only in front of you, you can't look behind and only look on sides with a limited angle. You can charge forward, oblivious to anything but what is in front of you. I see it as an absolute win !

[@Lumen_Obscurum]

Vulkanine armour? Vulkanite? Ooh! Vulka-knight armour! Excellent video, if the Emperor wakes I want him to give Cawl explicit, public approval and support. This could lead to the reintegration of the Cawl Inferior, and either advancement or obliteration.

[@Thozel]

Just random internet person mumbling but i must say that i really do love your content. So awesome to listen these detailed videos. I got exited when i did see 45min length on this one. Humble bow to you and thank you for your work. These vids really are the best wh40k content for me.

[@commissardale]

"Mk1" probably refers to the fact that out if the 3 OG terminator suits, the "egg" Terminator armor is the only one that hasn't had any sort of revival or recreation. "Saturnine" is probably because it's mentioned once and not really described, and because there's so little information behind the "egg" terminator armor.

[@stephenrego6065]

"The oldest space marine of 1000 years is dante" *10,000 year old Bjorn the fell handed sad noises*

[@jackstrayfeald1007]

I also heard their was a Carcarodon (Space shark) that has lived up to 4000 years and was still alive...though I don't know if that's still a thing.

[@mortisCZ]

Venerable dreadnoughts marching with the Emperor have been mentioned few sentences later. They're borderline dead and not totaly Space marines anymore. :-)

[@stephenrego6065]

@@mortisCZ they are NOT dead and yes they ARE still space marines

[@TheLegPumpkin]

Dreadnoughts, primaris, and chaos marines may have existed for longer but the ammount of time they actually experienced is far less..

[@_hector__]

@@TheLegPumpkin How? For Primaris marines

[@critfailgames7874]

Loved this video (along with all the rest). One of the pieces I love most about 40k lore is the whole "forgotten tech" angle. I loved the mid-vid callout about real world examples, and think a video on the subject could be helpful for drawing parallels. Ironically, the Saturn 5 Rocketdyne F-1 Engine (Saturn-dyne?) would be an excellent example of this. We simply cannot make this engine any longer even though we possess explicitly detailed instructions on how to do so.

[@zirtd9256]

@Luetin09 - what is your personal opinion on Big E returning? keeping in mind all the problems such an event would bring - would u like to see that as "official canon lore" delivered by GW in the future? or would u prefer for the the Emperor to keep sitting on his throne?

[@8Delian8]

Perfect, just when I was looking for something right before bed. Thanks Luetin

[@takkorinus7909]

Cool pfp

[@vereenigdeoostindischecomp9932]

Is that a based pfp

[@johnlick5033]

Thank you!! I had no idea what 40k was until I found your channel this help me understand a lot about 40k, and it reminds me of what humanity can become now if we added 20k years to 2021

[@reginaldsafety6090]

*That would be 38K years.

[@josephwang8589]

I think they are referring to the golden age of tech

[@limarismenos]

Luetin's videos are so good. I genuinely enjoy his work and respect him for the amount of work and research he puts into each and every one of his videos. Keep going my friend. Never ever stop.

[@Lordcheese1000]

Probably the best content creator KZbin has, period. The quality is astounding, detail is amazing, and even the more obscure topics from Warhammer lore which don't interest me, luetin makes captivating. The emperor salutes you sir.

[@questofknowledge8788]

I always had my own head-canon that the Saturnine armor was just an exo suit used in maintaining reactors around Saturn’s space bases. Then at the end of the crusades, with the need of updated armor for space marines, the forces of Saturn reached into existing designs to create their patterns. I view it as the saturnine pattern just being more of a test platform that survives through basic systems of other more advanced suits.

[@EDSKaR]

Your rant at 2/3rds through was very refreshing and hilarious!

[@LngRnge308]

-"Let's talk about relic terminators" -*shows a custodes dreadnought* -wut

[@JPKgold]

Everything the custodes have is a relic, including the brushes they use to clean the emperor.

[@Thetreetroll]

@@JPKgold do you think the robot Vacuums in the Imperial Palace have little heads wired into them?

[@JPKgold]

@@Thetreetroll Obviously, probably babysized servo-skulls or something, only the best for the emperors janitors. jk I love custodes

[@LordProteus]

Look up the original Terminator Armour model.

[@thulsadoon]

Brother Santodes, is that you?

[@Teigism]

Bravo! Your fiction documentaries are a delight and bring a world based on little painted figurines to life in such a convincing way. Why GW hasn't yet contracted you is beyond me.

[@wiaf8937]

that intro.- maaan luetin, you nailed that, literal shivering and goosebumps that sound

[@nanapoltjoj]

"It's not the weapon or armor that makes the warrior. It's the spirit." Spoken by the race once almost destroyed by a soulless machine.

[@carljohan9265]

And who made that machine? Because all machines are essentially extentions of their maker's minds.

[@bill8383]

"machine spirit"

[@s33rlies4]

Almost

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

There were Matryoshka Marines, Baby Carriers, and now there are Eggsterminators. Clearly the Imperium is in its darkest hour.

[@ryan.1990]

I used to call Terminator armour Washing Marines when I was a kid as they reminded me of someone wearing a washing machine lol

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@ryan.1990 Sounds like an infomercial from Billy Mays: The Exterminators. For when you need the spots out of your clothing _Forever._

[@jeffumbach]

​@@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370 "Brother bring the OxyClean. The HEAVY OxyClean."

[@juliovictormanuelschaeffer8370]

@@jeffumbach or more accurately, the Oxylceanus Totalis.

[@BrotherRoga]

I love that you used that soundtrack the same way you did with the Grey Knights in the intro. Still got the same chills. *Mwah*

[@dyingsun7857]

What is the name of that track?

[@BrotherRoga]

@@dyingsun7857 Prodrome by Jo Wandrini

[@Tenetur]

Do you per chance know the outro song?

[@beagle3247]

In case anyone needs an example of humans not remembering past technological achievement, pyramids, antikythera mechanism, greek fire and it is recorded but most people don't know civil war subs and the fact that they were the first to sink a ship. Also more commonly known is microwaves are failed radar so some good modern obscure references fading out of history as well.

[@shanelewis7052]

I like to imagine the eggy boyz as the pre-imperium, hazardous work suits with heavy weapons bolted on. Might get some of the monkey resin ones and some Dirty Down rust paint and run them as Relic Terminators in my DA Deathwing.

[@xavier84623]

I love this lore explanation! It’s a suit of armor optimized for hugging!

[@rowluxillusion5235]

being an old fart I remember these when they were sold originally, and I still have 2 of them, I also have one each of the other two exo designs they did at the same time, but there is little to no mention of these. Why has this pattern been so well remembered and the others not. Strange but all is strange in the 41st Millennium

[@jfowler5881]

Are you referencing the snake back armour?

[@rohan0724]

Suddenly, the egg shape makes sense! Vulkan, a dragon, clearly laid them!

[@ethanmeyer1216]

Still watching these lore vids to this day! They got me through Covid for 5 days straight of isolation!!

[@Chrisspru]

i think the non- vulcan version could be a propotype. the outer exo-frame on the legs where slapped on to make the thing carry an extra generator and shield emiter, with the huge shoulder pads covering it. the actual Daot suit would be the suit without the extrnal leg support, hump and huge pauldrons. Those paulödrons would be addons to protect the prototype shield generator. Later suits would have a more efficient and smaller genrator and would be designed from the ground up, not retrofitting old radiation suits with pistons and shields. Vulcan's design looks similar because it has a beefed up shield generator and ammo compartment.

[@Mesozoic_mammal]

The terminator armor is in reality just one of the aliens from fith element

[@azmiraclegirl441]

Well now I can't un-see that, thanks for that... Lmao!

[@tukkajumala]

I was just thinking that maybe we should be calling it the Mondoshawan pattern :D

[@simonphelon7221]

I remember when these were released just after first edition space hulk. They were described as prototype terminators and there was another bulkier multi part model also called prototype terminator armour. I used to have a squad of those.

[@AAron-gr3jk]

Everyone's a Terminator until they meet Necrons

[@HarryPoggers44]

Your deep dives never cease to blow my mind. Hands down my go to for all things 40k lore.

[@dantles]

that soundtrack at intro is so amazing, would love to know where can I find it

[@steel8231]

About the only real examples of true losstech are Damascus Steel and Greek Fire, both of which have been well surpassed by crucible steel (we still can't replicate the look but that's about it) and Napalm (we're pretty sure we found the real recipe but until someone explicitly finds it in a Byzantine manuscript we won't know for sure).

[@Lightman0359]

Roman concrete as well, Modern concrete deteriorates at a much faster rate than that used in Roman construction.

[@steel8231]

@@Lightman0359 Roman concrete has been reverse engineered successfully, it's smoother than modern concrete but is also weaker

[@josephwang8589]

Damascus steel has been theorized with alloys mimicking it's look, but there are no confirmed examples to compare to.

[@jacob5395]

@@josephwang8589 Can't be saw Shadiversity last month and we apparently still have it.

[@101Mant]

@@josephwang8589 there are blades in museums that are Damascus steel I've seen them. Sometimes pattern welded blades are incorrectly referred to as Damascus because they have a similar appearance but actual Damascus steel examples exist.

[@bastodon]

Damn, you did not have to bring it this hard. *clap*

[@dustinpearson9108]

Pretty bad when these priests question dawn about what the emperor would want. Lolol like bro he knew him for like 10k years

[@666lupine666]

I have appreciated your videos for a long while. but I need to say that this video has something extra. I think you have really achieved something with this channel. congratulations and please keep it up!

[@RiflemanMoore]

By chance I came across an article in White Dwarf 109 (January 1989) pp 32-33 which details Terminator Squads. It includes an illustration basically conforming to the suit which is the main focus of the video and another showing something closer to Indomitus armour. Interestingly the article refers to Terminator armour as a form of 'exo-armour' and goes on to use the terms interchangably throughout the article.

[@Youhaveaname]

We forgot why they sent citrus fruit (lemons and limes) on trading ships and Scurvy became a thing again till about 100 years ago.

[@anthonylamonica8301]

If I remember correctly, Volkite weaponry was originally intended to be the _standard issue_ weapon of the bog-standard Imperial Trooper during the Great Crusade, but the manufactorums simply couldn't produce them fast enough and in enough numbers to arm _trillions_ of soldiers. In the _early_ stages of the Crusade, _everyone_ had a Volkite weapon issued to them; there weren't enough soldiers for supply to be an issue yet. Las-weapons took over fairly quickly because they are _far_ easier to mass produce while still being reasonably effective against _most_ hostile targets. Curiously, Volkite weapons actually have a Xenos analogue of sorts: Necron Gauss weapons. If you look at what Volkite weapons actually do, you may notice that they are basically primitive precursors to the same technology as Gauss Flayers; they do the same thing, essentially, with similar visuals, except that the Volkite weapons do it more slowly and with less power.

[@ethangoodrich3625]

So when are we gonna get a series of videos each discussing the lore of the primarchs?

[@Luetin09]

2024? lol :D I dont know some time :D

[@leachofsouls]

Well we're all here cause we love lutiens deep run downs. But, Adeptus Ridiculous has some nice primarach vids. If your down for memes and shitposting all over 40k lore. It's good fun.

[@ethangoodrich3625]

@@leachofsouls Thanks for the recommendation. I'll have to check them out

[@Raptorrat]

For my 2 cents the overly large shoulder pads not only protect the shoulders, but the head aswell. Vision to the side becomes a secondary concern when you are expected to advance at all times. Not to mention the Brothers at your side.

[@Hedron-Design]

I got to paint one of those old terminator armor back in 89. I never knew they were only produced for 5 months. That's crazy how such a small run model is now such a point of interest. Vulcan adapting it is fantastic.

[@the36lessons11]

Does anyone know of the track name for the intro? I believe it's by Kevin MacLeod 0:18 to 1:37 Edit: Finally found it! "Podrome" by Johannes Bornlof

[@DalekHunter1994]

I've taken to calling the Egg Terminator suits "Dominator-pattern" because of their (no doubt intentional) resemblance to the Dominators from Doctor Who.

[@Luetin09]

was wondering who'd be the first to spot that one :D so well done lol

[@MsNinjamonkey1]

I'm so happy that I still get notifications! ☺ can't wait to watch while cooking dinner

[@Hiihtopipa]

Wha-ho-wha-hooooooow?

[@Hiihtopipa]

@@macccccc52 i meant the notifications, i cant even turn them on

[@Hiihtopipa]

@@macccccc52 im not that astounded by this new tech that i also have 😂

[@timothysmith160]

i painted a few saturnine suits back in the early 90's, still got 'em, cost me about £1.50 each from the old GW mail order service, before the internet destroyed that fun, catalogue mail order trade.

[@Slapdab]

I love warhammer fluff, and Luetin does a great job of writing in the analytical/hyperbolic style I remember from codexes etc. Now I get my fluff without buying plastic crack! Thanks for keeping me on the wagon, Luetin!

[@2242Ironwolf]

I love this piece. The early miniature designs are fun. I know that you are only addressing the nomenclature and the in world cannon of the first mini and I wholeheartedly agree with your ending conclusions and thoughts. The early days of the Terminator models were a time of wild experimentation. I especially love the bit of lore you found that could possibly make this pattern of armor cannon. The only bit I disagree with is your statement that it was never called “Terminator” armor but rather just Exo-armor. ( huge nerd warning ) In December of 1988 White Dwarf #108 featured on page 28 a catalogue with this first pattern ( mini #410609 ) on it labeled “Terminator Marine”. So from the beginning this and the other two experimental patterns were always called Terminator Armor and is followed up in WD 109 and 110. I hope this was not over the top. Subscribing as I love the in-depth work you have done. Made me a fan.

[@Luetin09]

Its all good, I always appreciate someone who has the wherewithal to find the actual references, its a fair point I think if I specifically stated it was never Terminator armour that might have been a misspeak on my part, because it very clearly was first showcased as such in the listings you noted. Glad you subbed :D

[@YoBen100]

The relic terminator looks like Mondoshawan from the Fifth Element.

[@MrJara1018]

Hersey!

[@xxchaos315xx6]

They really do!

[@The_Keeper]

So the Mondoshevans were really time-displaced spacemarines, and the "Perfect being" was a female clone of the Emperor..? I can dig it.

[@erdene2476]

Much love from Mongolia

[@elbeillustration762]

Saturn has a core of dense metals (iron, Nickel, etc.). As for the "gas", the atmosphere of Saturn is around 1/6th of its radius (which is big as atmospheres go, but still 1/6th). Much of the gas is forced into an effective solid by gravity and its resultant pressure. If you could withstand the gravity, you could stand on it, "gas planet" or not. The issue isn't that it is gas, it's that the gravity would crush a human being to death against the surface (yes: the surface).

[@horrocko]

Such simple yet effective editing in the intro/outro, every single time.

[@molarrolar4396]

Behold perry the platypus my egginator 40,000

[@Nexusin]

I do find it interesting that this design seemed to be "remade" as Legio Custodes Telemon Heavy Dreadnought

[@roberthill5805]

These things make me curious on how much longer will the Tau be a lesser threat to the Imperium. The Tau are still gaining greater tech, gaining more diverse races, and then recent events have granted them even greater arrays of things to use. There may be a time in which even the Tau are using Imperial tech on top of their own.

[@tennesseedogpack]

Tau soace marines but more techy. I could get on board

[@OrionAegis]

Vulkite weapons have always been some of my favorite. I remember reading a fanfic series ages ago on reddit about a rouge trader who rolled with a squad of vulkite weapon users and had a vulkite triple barrel tracked weapon battery emplacement in his special cargo.

[@OrionAegis]

Also want to make a note that is a question. Arent vulkite weapons the most effective against Necron and Eldar? Maybe even more effective at taking out some of the more armored tyranids too...Hm...

[@magnum32b]

The way I see it, "saturnine" armor seems to have inspired both centurion and gravis armor. Due to Terminator armor not being easy to produce, these other armor types eschew the force shield (invulnerable save) for extra armor and weaponry (more toughness, more wounds, more weapons than a terminator could wield.) Inceptors are interesting where they disregard melee capability entirely to gain the advantage of flight, giving them unmatched mobility compared to their counter parts.