40K Vs Star Wars Vs Star Trek - Which is the best Sci Fi Universe?

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@darrenrichardson6146 3 ай бұрын

If i had to live in one of the three settings, Star Trek hands down, at least folk get to die of old age in that setting!

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

@@darrenrichardson6146 hey Yoda died of old age!

@Irgendwaslanges 3 ай бұрын

What a great video! My sci fi nerd heart beats faster ❤❤😂😂 Maybe you should add Dune? (In a second video perhaps 😜) Its world could fit into a lot of the mentioned categories! Funnily enough all those franchises are somehow "influenced" by Isaac Asimovs Foundation books, its quite apparent when you can compare them to each other like this.

@DZ-X3 3 ай бұрын

Neat format, I broadly agree with all of this. I'll just go over a few points that came to mind. Glad you brought up the vibroblade, so many people overlook them. I'd say the lightsabre is considerably better than a power sword, and a vibrosword is moderately superior to an equivalent chainsword... but in the end, you're absolutely right to give the advantage to 40k in terms of melee weapons. They just aren't as prevalent in SW or Trek. My favourite bit of rhetoric is "Trek ships are established to be immune to lasers, so they must be invulnerable to 40k lascannons and SW turbolasers". Trek weaponry can be very useful, especially in a handheld format. In terms of capital ships and their cannons... that new particle you invented to shoot out the navigational deflector? That's an experimental spinal mount weapon, which the other settings would have mounted in turrets, or a broadside battery. Personally I prefer to restrain the speed of SW hyperdrives, down to something as depicted in the old West End RPG sourcebooks. A normal journey might take days or weeks, and if you go off the beaten path into the more obscure hyperlanes, it could be months before you arrive. Unfortunately, by the time of Episode 3 this travel time is almost ignored, and the reboot trilogy explicitly shows it to be instant teleportation. Though I will point out that for tactical FTL jumps, Star Trek is parsecs ahead of the others: it's almost unheard of to make a hyperdrive jump within the same star system, and Warp travel is far safer than The Warp. As for psionics, I'd say you've been far more generous to Star Wars than it deserves. The graph shows it as equal to 40k, but I'd put SW far behind the other two universes. Trek is really hard to quantify, because you can just say "a godlike energy being turns up, physics and logic no longer apply until further notice". But even excluding those, their baseline level of psychics are more ubiquitous than in SW.

@davidbarry5512 3 ай бұрын

Nice shout out for the sun crusher👍

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

@@davidbarry5512 Exar Kun remains one of my favourite baddies. Imagine if they had done that at the end of the final trilogy - evil Sith Ghost rather than "Palpatine returned somehow..."

@davidbarry5512 3 ай бұрын

@@90percentgeek that would have been amazing

@hobbywaffle 3 ай бұрын

For ships, and coolness, it would have to be the Star Wars universe. I’d definitely be having a YT-2400 as my ship, plus a Murrrgh style companion and an R2 unit. For ease of life, it has to be TNG/Voyager/DS9 era trek. Replicators and Holodecks. Yep.

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

@@hobbywaffle see that's the added advantage - live in the TNG era but use the holodeck to play on Star Wars or 40K universes with the safeties on!

@saladinbob 3 ай бұрын

40K because it's the only IP you can die while waiting in a queue, has Cigar smoking Green-skinned petrol heads that talk with cockney accents, and a Commissar who wants to engage in melee while riding a tank the size of a barn; It's also British. Let me correct you on a few points. 1) Star Trek has the Vulcan Lirpa and the Ahn-woon, and Federation soldiers carry combat knives. 2) The Tox Uthat shuts down fusion in a star, and depending upon mass, it either goes Nova or Supernova. 3) The UFP isn't close to 1/4 of the galaxy, it's 150 planets. 40K has a million. 4) Materialising in a wall in 40K is rare and usually requires damage to the ship. It has tech to prevent that. 5) 40K takes months to years to cross the galaxy depending upon warp currents, and days to weeks to cross from a translation point to an inner solar system. 6) Droids might be more prevalent but Men or Iron are more advanced.

@earnestwanderer2471 3 ай бұрын

Where’s the high tech whiteboard?

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

@@earnestwanderer2471 I was trying something new since this was talking about the far future after all (except Star Wars which I guess was a long time ago...)

@Varthlokkur 3 ай бұрын

E - None of the above its Babylon 5. True Story

@earnestwanderer2471 3 ай бұрын

So true!

@earnestwanderer2471 3 ай бұрын

It’s so odd. While I’m a fan of all three IP’s, somehow the 40k universe is the most interesting. I’ve read many, many Black Library books. Subscribed to White Dwarf for the lore as much as for the hobby articles. But I’ve never read a single novel set in either the Star Wars or Star Trek universe.

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

@@earnestwanderer2471 you absolutely should. I can heartily recommend the Timothy Zahn Heir to the Empire trilogy and the X-Wing novels. Star Trek, I read a bunch of their books when I was a teen but couldn't recall any of them now except the one Armin Shimmerman wrote - the 39th Rule of Acquisition which is awesome but pretty harrowing (Quark, Rom and Nog get put in a concentration camp by a crazed Bajoran war veteran who's kind of Colonel Kurtz on steroids)

@mazubahtender 3 ай бұрын

Okay, out of all of these the one I least would want to live in would be 40k. Even if I lived on an agri world or something, I would be living either in a totalitarian theocracy, or getting destroyed by the enemy faction of the week. Star Wars would be way better, but again, it's called Star WARS. The longest period of time we know of without a major conflict in universe is 100 years between the Nihil crisis in High Republic and the Naboo crisis in Ep. 1. As much as I have never seen Star Trek, I'd argue that'd be the best one to live in. Also, I made this before watching the vid xP

@Gunnar001 3 ай бұрын

Which one I consider the best really depends on what I'm in the mood for at that moment. The universe of Warhammer definitely looks the coolest and has a TON of diversity among the factions within it. The epic scale of everything and the ridiculous galaxy-spanning conflicts are just insane. When I'm in the mood for thought-provoking stories about morality, exploration and just cool sci-fi, I go to Star Trek. Trek has such incredible writing and characters. I get misty eyed because of how great some of those episodes are. (i.e. TNG: Inner Light, The Offspring, etc.) The only Star Wars I really love is the original trilogy. It's simply excellent space fantasy fun and adventure. If I was FORCED to pick the best universe, I would probably lean toward 40k. The visuals and expansive lore is just too awesome. Star Trek is a very close 2nd though...

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

Star Trek had some amazing storylines - it does the proper sci-fi job of exploring what it means to be human and what it might mean in the future - one of the reasons the Doctor from Voyager is one of my favourite characters. 40K is an awesome setting but it is basically space opera - I think Gaunts Ghosts is probably my favorite story arc for that. Star Wars, I am very fond of the original trilogy but it's actually the expanded universe novels I love the most - the X-Wing novels and the Timothy Zahn Thrawn trilogy.

@Mothman156 3 ай бұрын

I don't really think these three are comparable honestly.

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

How so? They have several tropes in common - laser weapons, faster than light travel, aliens, etc.

@Mothman156 3 ай бұрын

@@90percentgeek I suppose this is true, I'm just being a pretentious treky. Star Trek attempts to be scientific when applicable and is set in a universe based on our own. Warhammer 40 k and star wars are entirely fantasy settings.

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

I would agree with you on Star Wars, which at least for the first film is essentially a panto in space. Complete with principle boy, principle girl, secondary boy, comedy duo, wizard, demon king, and pantomime horse (sorry Chewie). 40K does at least have a basis in our universe though and while it has a veneer of fantasy laid over the top, it does at least nod towards the laws of physics albeit I accept it is not as high science fiction as Star Trek. Trek is, for me, like reading Asimov or Arthur C Clark. It asks the big questions which sci-fi is great at doing. Star Wars is space opera - it's massive stakes and daring do, and seeks both to entertain but also inspire (when done right at least) 40K is pulp. Pure and simple. It's Dan Dare and Doc Savage and Phillip Marlowe style noir all rolled into one. It doesn't ask questions, it just lures them into alleyways then kicks the snot out of them. In a throw down between a Trek Captain, a Jedi or even a Sith Lord, and pretty much any character from 40K, the grimdark character wins, because they are always ready, even willing sometimes, to do the unspeakable to win. The average "good guy" from 40K would make Darth Vader go "...that's a tad much isn't it?"

@Mothman156 3 ай бұрын

@@90percentgeek fair! I'm actually somewhat ignorant of 40k and warhammer in general, although I've dabbled in the fantasy (medieval esque) warhammer. I may go but Space Marine 2 now....

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

If you want to read some, I've done a couple of videos suggesting good books to start with

@captainfach 3 ай бұрын

It depends. Video done lol

@ciaranharper322 3 ай бұрын

So putting some arguments forward for Team Star Trek (and honestly, you were doing a video about Star Trek trivia and didn't consult me? For shame!): Federation ships are smaller, it's true. However, they overall have a higher tech level,and most importantly are crewed by trained professionals, not serfs or conscript troopers. Firearms-wise, I think you've overlooked the utility of phasers. Even the ship-mounted ones have a stun setting, which is amazing, and they they have a wide-beam setting, too. Speed-wise, I think Federation ships are faster at sublight speeds and definitely have better manoeuvrability than 40k or Wars ships. Doomsday devices. Well, sorry, this is under-researched :D. The Federation can (and have) blow up stars (cf. TNG: "Half a Life"), sterilise planets with Thalaron radiation (cf. Star Trek Nemesis), destroy a planet's crust with ordinary starship weaponry (cf. DS9 "The Die is Cast") or create a singularity with red matter to destroy a planet (mostly seen in an alternate timeline, but originated with Spock in the prime timeline). The Federation has *frightening* firepower, they just don't use it.

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

Yeah, sorry, it was a bit last minute deciding to tackle this topic. Originally I was researching the Dark Age of Technology but there wasn't enough there for a full video I didn't think, so I did this instead. And I will concede that Star Trek does have comparable doomsday weapons but are not willing to use them - which is why they would lose in a battle with the Imperium every time. Whilst Sisko was moralising over whether it was acceptable to use one, a space marine captain would have already exterminated three civilisations, butchered an entire primary school worth of kids to get one worthwhile recruit, and fired hideously unpleasant weapons at the entire solar system on the off chance the Defiant might be there because, after all it can cloak, so better safe than sorry!

@hmshood9212 3 ай бұрын

40k > Star Wars Legends > Canon Star Wars > Star Trek

@90percentgeek 3 ай бұрын

@@hmshood9212 bold position! I'm with you on the Legends > Canon Star Wars, but Trek all the way down the bottom?

@Kathandros 3 ай бұрын

I mean - Star Trek is the human ideal, isn't it? But it also lacks lightsabers and Star Destroyers, both of which are absolutely awesome. And most infuriatingly, they both lack the guiding and humbling light of The God-Emperor of Mankind praise be to Him On Earth and let His Light illuminate the galaxy in cleansing fire! *Play Adepta Sororitas by StringStorm here*

@Kathandros 3 ай бұрын

One slightly more serious thing I just wanted to add, when it comes to ranking overall Speeds I think another thing that sets Star Wars over 40k isn't just the consistency of the hyperdrive compared to the flip-a-coin reliability of warp travel is the level of miniaturization hyperdrive technology has been refined to. In Star Wars we have mass-produced single-seat starfighters with hyperdrive capability; when it comes to traveling through the warp I think even the smallest warp capable craft we've seen would be a large courier-type by Star Wars standards, and they're comparitively rare.