#41 | Is The Education System Relevant? | Idris & Leon Jala

[@dankschang]

Recalling my high school years in SMK Sultan Abdul Samad, PJ (1986-87). The teacher that makes an impact in my learning is teacher Abdul Razak, who uses drama to guide us in using Bahasa Malaysia by acting out and read out aloud, as kids we enjoyed the national language. Until today, many Malay commented that how come as a Chinese I can speak like a native Malay. And another teacher that makes a profound impact in me is teacher Carol who teaches English with Shakespeare acting and songs from the 60s and 70s with good lyrics. We kids from mixed backgrounds end up having the best of English and Bahasa mastery.

[@ravindransubbiah3211]

I am also from samad. Good times there.... At that time they called it SAS school... Sekolah Anak Syatan... Boys being boys we were very mischievous 😂😂 Mr chan was my maths teacher

[@giant108]

​@@ravindransubbiah3211Uniquely Malaysian quota system in education & other fields is a sure failed formula that isn't adopted elsewhere on this planet. Not even in Timbaktu.

[@naimjalil8588]

Those were golden years...we were lucky to have "creative teachers as such"

[@happyandhealthy2160]

I agree with you the quality of teachers is v important. Pedagogy is also v important.

[@thomasmathew9414]

Much needed conversation. Private sector involvement must begin from preschool. Education must continuously evolve. Govt must set up a think tank to look at our education system.

[@NHLearningSolutions]

I couldn't stop nodding my head throughout the entire podcast, indicating I couldn't have agreed more to all the points discussed here. Idris Jala is so well versed with the subject of education and could recall all studies on the ground occurred across the country. I really hope all schools in Malaysia can actually listen to what Idris Jala has to say about our quality of education. To sum up some of the key essentials out of this enlightening discussion would be: The criteria of good school are not really about the current curriculum, facilities, or even the extracurricular activities, but rather on the role of school's principal/educational leadership, parent involvement, teachers' quality which should mainly focuses on their specialization, and structured pedagogy/teaching method. I look forward to watch more from TGOI.

[@eddyloh5888]

PMX should appoint Dato Sri as the education minister with immediate effect. If not Sarawak state pls make good use of Dato sri talent

[@Iris-2023gh]

One of the reasons is you trained teachers for one subject, you expect them to teach another subject and expect them to excel in all. Some teachers can handle it well, not all. Curriculums should also be relevant to the present era.

[@mikelabo1120]

Yes I do remember all my good teachers and the bad one too. One of their characters that still stays with me until today is that "they showed genuine love and care about me and my education." On my part I wanted to please them with my performance. God bless them.

[@devathasanrangasamy2435]

Enlightening podcast an admirer of DSIJ since the turnaround of our national airline MAS. You guys nailed it actually... ✊

[@mayfoo02]

im an ex teacher and i so agree with mr. Idris. i've been telling everyone the same thing too

[@jacintosoares9925]

Lovely, thanks Sir Idris

[@traderkl9371]

Remember running a gd school, companies or countries must be talent orientated without religion interference. eg China and Singapore.

[@mimikolomamu]

"without religion interference"...clearly you don't familiar with the local customs

[@mayfoo02]

this is such a timely and relevant discussion

[@metzmatu8409]

You talk about Tepu' Henry Jala. I remember he was my teacher in primary 2 & 3 at SMK Bario in 1970-71. He used to bring us to the school library to borrow books to read during weekends. At home then, the dictionary is my buddy while reading books. My Uncle, Philip Lakai, was the Head Master that time. Doo ketuh tah susud meduah leh.

[@janice3290]

The quality and role of the principal, it's so true. My time we had a Super Headmaster Mr. Phua Seng Tiong. My favourite teachers were Mr. Moay Choo Hwa and Mr. Hong Heng Kin.

[@fraeck]

Our government has made primary and secondary schools almost free for everyone, but the quality of infrastructure and teachers of public schools has declined to a very worrying level. Parents who couldn't afford quality education for their children will risk their future generations being left further behind skill and financial wise. In the end, only the rich and privileged ones will get to access high quality education, widening the wealth disparity and causing more crimes and social issues in our society.

[@muhammadzharifikmal7496]

Very good discussion. So insightful

[@Jijar52]

A brilliant eye opening discussion

[@HafizMajid-r3s]

It is wrong that our system is good..I as a teacher when I compare with Montessori system, IGCSE and baccauloreate ,our curiculum focus is not on understanding the concept but emphasis in procedure and process.

[@richard-eo9io]

Perhaps that method of yours can be share to our state by PEMANDU to develop talent in early ages

[@PL-lt3wz]

People are tired because every meddling with the education system and syllabus only led to a dwindling standard.

[@CikgunikBio]

Even know we cannot streaming the students , its really hard for teacher to teach up to their capabilities

[@dannylee121]

Mostly..those selected to head certain Ministries are more politically linked rather than qualifications. Been like that for decades and that is why education is sliding in reverse gear. Agree with your insights and proposals .. methodology in teaching as well as exposure to issues in the real world. Used to run tuition classes in teaching English to Primary and Secondary students until I retired during the MCO lockdown. Thank you for your constructive inputs.👍👍🤗

[@happyandhealthy2160]

I am also v familiar with their syllablus which is quite different from ours. Some of our teachers took teaching as the last career option.

[@MTE111]

As an educationist for the last 35 years, across Asia and UK. I personally agree that nothing is wrong with the curriculum but with the changing paradigm of learners and societies across Asia. The problem being challenged by malaysia today is across multiple countries. We need a pedagogical change in delivery methods and in evaluations. I disagree with ranking but propose a well distribution of talented educators across schools.

[@alexanderraj1534]

Blessed 😊!

[@jamilhashim8387]

Compared with other ministeries KPM is more vulnerable to changes in particular on curriculum. It greatly affect the public. Once it is changed it will take a few more years a new change to take effect. The blame cannot be put on the new govt but to the education dept that made the changes.

[@mamag1645]

I love this topic.

[@JeliTastar-bn6ff]

What about the international school curriculum? Are they under the supervises of Msian Education on civic subject

[@perantis88]

The real issues : 1.Politician control our education as their needs 2.Politician got their money from endorsement by Businesses 3.Businesses wanted low salary for employees And you wonders why our education still capped at this level ?

[@syedputra5955]

I was told Indonesia started teaching codeing and AI in primary school. Because their education minister is the founder of Gojek. Grab equivalent in Indonesia. Plus those head master with good records should promoted to be vice chancellor of the teachers university or colleges. Getting parents to get involved with kids coursework. Means they dontch understand the teachers. It's teaching failure. In the West, it's teachers job to teach.

[@marielim1519]

Both gentlemen speak very good command of English and i dont See there is such standard anymore .. our education system was still the best ..in the 70s.. the best ..💪💪💪🤣🤣🤣

[@thetransformationalbabyboomer]

Whatever good ideas we have, the corridors of power must have the will to make the change. Unfortunately education in Mysia is used as a political tool for obvious reasons. Sad. Just follow the education structure in the 70s with modifications to match the changing times. Instil meritocracy. Do you think this will be done?

[@usiohaki295]

No 1, the govt must acknowledge Malaysia education is not up to par ranking 34 out of 80 nations in PISA test. Singapore is no 1. No 2 the teachers are substandard. No 3 the syllabus need revamp. No 4 politicians shld settle the issue of language teaching medium

[@piravakransomasundram8686]

Nothing change, if we dont change the education minister

[@rambutans5857]

Our current system failed to encourage the top / good one to teach.

[@mayfoo02]

our main problem is that mediocrity seems to be running within the teaching profession

[@vy7697]

Just focus on teaching the language, writing, and maths. And in doing so teach the child how to organize and study.

[@philipchin7652]

I hope that it is not an excuse for government to leave the school in a dilapidated state.

[@beranihati2008]

bring back UPSR & PT3 la, appoint merit based teachers la..also those people in d pejabt pendidikan are quite useless..just good at making more and more rules and procedures to protect themselves and admin instead of allowing students to learn on and off class properly

[@beyondhuman7223]

change curriculum then, meritocracy 1st laa and give laaa fare place in matriculation and university for Malaysian.talk talk for who.

[@happyandhealthy2160]

I am a retired pricipal who taught for 35yrs. Besides, staying in JB, I used to tutor students who studied in Spore. Now, I'm tutoring my students' children

[@beranihati2008]

less than 20% of teachers can teach very well..if u depend on d school. u r toast. don't even talk about co-curricular..teachers burdened with admin not willing to spend time on weekends/school hol for koko...uniform units are just for show if depend on teachers...the commitment pale comparison to those years before 1990..

[@habibi89]

ANYONE who says the Malaysian National Curriculum has no issues with it - benefits of it.

[@KohilanVachiram]

NATO a waste to discuss 😅😅