45 ACP vs 45 Colt vs 410 Slug: Not Even Close?

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On this episode of Ultimate Barrier Testing, we compare the performance of the 45 ACP, 45 Colt, and 410 on 5 different targets. Each target is worth 20 points, for a grand total of 100 points. Whichever cartridge ends up with the highest score will be the winner. Testing was setup at 10 yards. Thanks for watching!
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*These tests are meant for entertainment and educational purposes only. Do not try any of these tests at home! Always verify your firearm is rated for and can safely fire any ammunition that you intend to use. Always follow standard safety procedures when handling Any firearm.
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[@chikkinnuggits]

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crawl back to inrange pls

[@Snougaloogie]

​@@join_or_dieIs he wrong?

[@morningfox_]

@@join_or_dieYou got offended on someone else’s behalf, someone who doesn’t even know you exist. Pathetic

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[@thomasgyting3251]

​@godlikemachine645 i mean Garand Thumb is objectively an asshole in person and that's why his channel has remained small regardless of how high quality his content is.

[@KuchiKopium]

I'm really glad to see Ray Romano is still finding work

[@BubbaThaumaturge]

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[@gjkorfinhays]

A slug is just a snail that's gone through a divorce 😊

[@robertzeurunkl8401]

😁😂🤣😎😎 Best answer!

[@justplinkin4809]

This is the truth!

[@leighdugdale6032]

I took the shell off my racing snail, tried to make it faster. It just made it more sluggish.

[@chillmonkey6782]

Under rated

[@paulrice8342]

I took the shell off my racing snail so he could speed up, but he looked sluggish.

[@sgthrawn]

Paul Harrell would be proud you found an actual use for the Judge. :)

[@Stupetin]

But Paul did find a use for it: drive-by shootings😂

[@mattmarzula]

​@@Stupetinyep.

[@irregularrex4004]

I think this is just more reason why the judge is a useless firearm. Couldn't hit what the poa with the slugs and it kills some of the velocity on the 45 colt.

[@henrys3138]

​@@irregularrex4004Apartment gun, tackle box gun, car gun, etc. It's fine for close quarters.

[@irregularrex4004]

@@henrys3138 I don't think so. There's many better choices than a rifled barrel .410. It's a novelty firearm. Just get a Ruger blackhawk or SAA if you want a 45 colt revolver. There's so many better options at the same price point or cheaper than the junk judge. Be a normal person and buy a modern semi auto pistol and a 12ga pump for those rolls.

[@knate44]

With the Taurus Judge, you can safely fire 3 kinds of ammunition, none of which it is optimized for, what a deal!

[@henrys3138]

The judge is a fine gun, it's the ammo itself.

[@danhughes3626]

Yeah thet are so not accurate So bad.. gimmick if shot over 5 yards.. the world's most joke of gun

[@poopnach]

the rifle-ized Circuit Judge is almost tempting though. Almost.

[@henrys3138]

@@danhughes3626 Paul Harrell has well disproven that, the Judge's rifling is more than adequate.

[@DriveCarToBar]

@@henrys3138 Adequate to stabilize a .45 Colt, but then you have the issue of getting truly lousy performance from shotgun ammo. So for the added weight and crappy balance of the Judge, you get mediocre performance from both rounds. The Judge is NOT rated for .45 Colt +P and the barrel is so short that shotgun ammo performs poorly. If you wanted a quality revolver in .45 Colt, Ruger makes any number of options that can eat the hot stuff. Then do the smart thing and buy a dedicated .410 bore shotgun if that's a caliber you want.

[@wittsullivan8130]

The .45 ACP cartridge was designed by J. M. Browning at the request of the US Army to replicate their load for the .45 Colt. 200 grain bullet going about 800 fps. Later they asked him to bump it up to 230 grains. There's a few more moving parts to make it an apples to apples comparison, since the 1911 was automatic with a shorter barrel than the Single Action Army and no cylinder gap and the SAA used blackpowder. Technically, the 1911 can use blackpowder if you have to since it uses recoil and not gas pressure.

[@johnnapier7439]

Or it was designed from the get go with a 230 gr bullet to replicate, or the less likely story that he started with a 250gr bullet and started whittling and when it "looked right" it was 230gr.

[@BulletSpoung]

My neighbor had an old WWII rifle that had been rechambered in 410. I never thought much of it until he brought it over for testing. That thing with 3" slugs was a true hotrod and packed a punch.

[@iowasucks9494]

Was it a lee enfield by chance? They converted alot of those to 410

[@donwyoming1936]

Probably an Ishapore No1 Lee Enfield. They were chambered in 410 British for rural police and such in India. Many were imported. Some bored out to our longer, 410 shell.

[@roentgen571]

@@donwyoming1936 I think they got a lot of those Enfield .410s in Australia, too (maybe brought in from the Indians).

[@tymobyrne4451]

@@iowasucks9494 I have one in 12 g, not safe to fire imho. The bolts have blown back and killed people.

[@presidentmerkinmuffley6769]

​@@tymobyrne4451 Odd MLE/SMLE bolts were rated for .303 (~50k psi) vs 12 gauge (~11-14k psi). Something seems off with the math if you're talking about throwing bolts... never mind the raw dimensions of the case head vs the width of the bolt.

[@hipsterindietrash6105]

A gun channel where the guy is just normal and pleasant? Love that! Havent seen that since hickock45. Instant subscribe.

[@TROOPERfarcry]

I was reading an article or review of the Taurus Judge as a self-defense gun, and the author was noting that it is _NOT_ like have a "shotgun-in-your-pocket". It's extremely weak when using shot, and a person would be better off using 410-slugs. But if you're going to use 410-slugs, just use 45 long-colt. And because that's not as easy to find off-the-shelf, just use 45 ACP with moon-clips, which isn't any different in reality. But then if you're going to use that, just get a semi-auto in 45 -- you'll carry more and it'll be easier to shoot anyway.

[@Thoroughly_Wet]

Yeah the judge is really just a "that's kinda cool" piece

[@quint3ssent1a]

I fukken love how long series of "it's almost the same" downgrades comes to "just use the .45 ACP"

[@henrys3138]

All you need is Critical Defense ammo, the judge performs fine when you run cartridges specifically designed for it. People who wrote those articles don't actually care to put it through its paces.

[@donwyoming1936]

The Judge is pretty much useless. Doesn't shoot anything accurately.

[@henrys3138]

@donwyoming1936 Why lie?

[@safetylast911]

The saga of the demon frog continues. HE MUST BE STOPPED

[@MU-oi1su]

I would expect 45acp and 45LC to perform about the same. The 45acp was roughly designed to deliver 45LC performance out of a semiautomatic. Modern 45LC is actually very underloaded so it won't blow up older style firearms, but if you take advantage of its capacity with modern powder, you can get some serious power out of it.

[@rjoetting7594]

What is amazing about the 45 colt is that the old black powder round actually was more powerful than the standard factory rounds of today. This has been proven many times over the years. 850 ft per second vs. 1050 ft per second This doesn't include modern custom loads

[@Diemerstein]

The problem with the 45 colt ammo made today is, most of them are cowboy action loads, they are way under loaded. That doesn't mean you can't find ammo that packs quite a punch, so much so that the pistol he was using would blow up in his hands. The buffalo bore deer grenade out of my henry is a 260 grain leaving the muzzle at 1900 fps, whole different animal and not safe to use in most pistols.

[@Fadaar]

​@@DiemersteinBig Boy X? Been tempted to stock up some high power ammo for my 45 LC BBX but haven't gotten around to calling Henry to ask about limitations.

[@Diemerstein]

@@Fadaar Good for you I actually did ask them and here is what they said. The Henry Big Boy in 45 colt(Brass version or X) can handle the same pressure as the 44 magnum since they are made to the same specs. The only limit is grain size due to the length and not being able to cycle the round, they said not to load anything over 300 grains. It will not cycle 325 grain bear loads, but I can load one at a time through the ejection port and it fires no problem. One of the most powerful 45 colt round is the Buffalo Bore Deer Grenades and that turns it into a poor mans 45-70, it will kick like a shotgun and cycles no problem. With those rounds, it's more powerful than some of the hottest 44 magnum to give you an idea, never put those rounds into a colt single action clone pistol, it will blow it up, they are called Ruger only ammunition.

[@FRLN500]

@rjoetting7594 You are laboring under a misconception. The early loads pushed a 255 grain bullet at 1,050 fps. But, the military determined that it was to much recoil for the average soldier so the powder charge was reduced and muzzle velocity dropped to 855fps. The military later reduced the velocity to 738fps with a 250 grain bullet for the 1909 revolver. Current loads vary by manufacturer, but the 250 grain bullet is offered from 860 to 1,000fps. +P ammo can be used in some makes/models with the ballistic equivalent of a .44 magnum.

[@dankdaze42069]

I like how this guy asks the unique questions and what would be a good substitute for the other or cost efficient or just stat wise very useful information compared to other channels....

[@RagnarSP101]

I like the channel and I've watched all the videos but the deep voiced creepiness gets to be a bit much. Always finger bangin' the blocks and saying "oh yeeeahh". I would bet he's made love to a block after shooting it with a 12 gauge slug. I always give a thumbs up to the videos though. Keep up the good work!

[@1980JPA]

I don't know much about revolvers, but what brought me to the vid was that cylinder looking all chewed to hell in the thumbnail.

[@JerryEricsson]

I have been a .45 fan for most of my 2 careers, one as a soldier when was a young man, the second as a police officer. I did carry a .45 long colt Smith and Wesson revolver for a year or so, it was a great revolver, the size and build as the mighty .44 magnum dirty harry carried but mine had a 4 inch barrel, I think the gun Harry carried had a six. One day a fellow offered to trade me his old Honda dream 250 for the revolver and I had to take him up on it, the Honda was in like new condition, had been garage kept from day one when the dude got it brand new back in the 60's. Then I changed to a .45 ACP buying an AMT Hardballer, that was a disappointment and I sold it off and got a standard M1911A1 built of new parts on an Interarms frame, carried that for several years then my brother in law talked me out of it, his kids sold it after he passed away, that was a disappointment, when I went to buy it back from the estate, it was already gone. I still have the Astra A-100 that I carried for my last 7 years as a cop it was in .45 ACP and sits in it's plastic case it came in when I ordered it new, I still had an FFL back then...

[@Ghostlodes]

You need to put a couple of cantaloupes in Terri’s shirt for the water test. That way we can judge the transparency. For science.

[@g00bergob94]

Two specifically. Mounted left to right slightly below the collar bone. Why? Science, you wouldn't get it.

[@satagaming9144]

coomtube DEMANDS female ballistic dummies

[@troyblackford-dowell1178]

Having a revolver that can use three different types of rounds, comes in handy, when ammo is scarce.

[@thebanditman5663]

The only round that is common of the 4 it can shoot is .45 acp and that requires moon clips.

[@troyblackford-dowell1178]

@@thebanditman5663 .410 is common and shot shells are the most effective at defending from drones.

[@nickleback3695]

I'm tired of seeing wimpy cowboy style rounds representing .45 colt. It can easily reach 1000+ ft lbs of energy out of quality revolvers but 90+% of .45 colt tests use ammo weaker than .45 acp and act like it represents what the cartridge is capable of.

[@handroids1981]

Yes! 100% agree.

[@arturwelland7136]

Yup, 45 LC out of a proper revolver can go close to 44 mag

[@georgesheffield1580]

Only for modern revolvers ,not for origional 18xx version

[@georgesheffield1580]

​@arturwelland7136 close but ,old guns will become RUINED quickly

[@FarlerAlarm]

​@@arturwelland7136 If you are hand loading, both rounds really can be loaded to the limit of the firearm that shoots them. I wouldn't say one round really outperforms the other at that level. You might squeeze a touch more energy from the 45 at the upper limit, but that'd because you can shoot them out of a 454.

[@RichRogerson-o4w]

Accuracy is everything regardless of the firearm/caliber. Practice, practice, practice until your weapon becomes an extention of you body.

[@elkvalleyH]

Single shot, break action .410 was my grandfather’s only long gun as a young man. Hunted everything from grouse to grizzlies with it. Shot slugs, of course for the 4 legged animals, but he said he would also push 44-40 rounds as well!

[@MrRugercat45]

He shot 44-40 rounds through his .410, is that what you’re saying? (I know it’s possible probably due to the caliber but I was just wondering.

[@elkvalleyH]

@@MrRugercat45 that’s right 44-40 through a .410. I know - crazy!

[@joeyjojojr.shabadoo915]

How about a 'Cowboy' 2-Gun-Shared-Round Video ? For Example: - The "OG Cowboy" Lever + Revolver both in .45 Long Colt. - Lever + Revolver both in .357 and/or .38 Special. - PC Carbine + Pistol both in 9mm,10mm or .45ACP. - P90 + 5.7 Pistol both obviously in 5.7 You get the idea. Let's see some Barrel Length vs Penetration content........ ps. *Bonus Points* (and apologies) *for a Lever + Revolver both in 45-70 GOV* I love this channel.

[@williamscoggin1509]

Two ways to look at this, the slugs from the 45 penetrate it all the way through the thick plywood, but the 410 slugs dumped all of its energy into the plywood. I'm wondering which one actually was a larger shock to a human body?

[@SKBottom]

Excellent question.

[@bobclifton8021]

How about .45 Auto Rim? It's ballistically a .45 ACP with a rim for revolvers.

[@johnweems4586]

You should try testing the different self defense loads for the judge, the winchester disc round and the Hornady critical defense with the slug and balls. There may be others, I'm not sure.

[@beakfish7319]

back when i had a judge, i couldn't get accurate results with the slugs. it just winged them all over the place. 000 buck was great, hornady critical defense and Winchester pdx1 are great, and 45lc were great. bird shot and small buckshot spread too wildly. fun gun! i miss it. lol

[@DamonKirry]

The back of that cylinder is going to give me another heart attack! 😂

[@PrimaryRavioli]

Without going through years of material in the search bar first... It'd be interesting to see the difference with: The ACP in the revolver against a semi, doesn't even need to be a 1911! The LC in a dedicated LC revolver, one of those Italian black powder replicas with the replacement cylinder, but any cowboy action would be fine. The 410 bore in any other pistol length format, plenty of single shot variants, still the barrel would be longer, and performance would probably improve. The last two are mostly because I still hold a dislike towards Taurus- just let people dislike what they want to dislike, and like what they want to like!

[@T-thug_69]

Just picked up my new judge and picked up the hsm bear loads and cowboy loads, absolutely love it

[@akeeperofoddknowledge4956]

Very informative as always. So much fun. As always!

[@emacstac]

I'm glad we could help out!

[@kennethmitchell2785]

I'd like to see what Underwood's Extreme Defender .45 ACP +P would do on the concrete block test

[@jddockery2]

Hornaday makes a self defense 410 round it would have been nice to see it in action, this was still a great comparison

[@Jeffrobodine23]

Straight to business, i like that.

[@ghostshadow9046]

Look at the Speer reloading manual #12 the max load for the 300 grain jacketed 45 colt for the ruger is higher FPS than the 300 grain 44 mag

[@JacStocker]

The guy is definitely likeable and I vote on the 45 LC

[@Shippo89]

The more lead you manage to salvage from these tests, the more I want to see them put in a resin tabletop (shooting bench maybe?).

[@jmcd3970]

Your program is very informative you do one hell of a good job Jerry Mcdonogh

[@kski5432]

Showing good rounds if you live in a place with neighbors and you have to defend yourself without real risk of collateral damage

[@eugenedubey1758]

Hey , you have to do this test with .45 ACP full metal jacket. Remington by the way did make a metal penetrating load in the late 60's, had a coned nose bullet.

[@atcsman]

RU a radio or TV announcer? You certainly have the voice for it. Also, your videos are super interesting.

[@UncleBildo]

The slugs suck for accuracy. Instead of those, I carry 000 Buck in El Juez, not that it is a tack driver with ANY loads... .45LC loads can vary vastly, as you no doubt know. For my Blackhawk, I load from the RUGER ONLY section of the loading manual. They have some snap. Have not had balls enough to drop any thru the Judge. It's a collector version, hate to frag it. Then there are the carbine loads, not that different than the Ruger only loads. Fun rabbit hole to go down for ya, the broad spanse of .45's...... Keep up the good work, you are building up subs decently, hope it accelerates more.

[@Yungefrau]

Rad Miller, Vietnam era lrrp, talks in his book,' what do you mean, l can't kill them,' discuss's all the pistols he used, final page, the 1911, it's a good read btw.❤

[@squibload58]

Nobody's gonna say, "The bullet went completely through me. But I can shake it off because the wound channel was mediocre." I load SWCs, LRNs, and FMJs for all my SD handguns. I reject anything that might interfere with penetration.

[@johnhess351]

Exactly as expected.

[@sammcbride2464]

What loads are the 45 LC? The box that you get off the counter at Shields are cowboy loads (or practice loads). They are really weak. The self defense loads are much more powerful.

[@MilesLong556x69]

Real 45 colt ammo is more powerful than 44 magnum. It may have to be hand loaded, but it's still more powerful

[@dwaynezilla]

When you think about it, that concrete is just glued-together sand 🤔

[@Johnny-j5n]

I would love to see you do the 45 acp, 45super, and the 45magnum. Rare I know, and probably very expensive.

[@BobbyStephenson-p4i]

Nice test

[@shinyribs2178]

Gun nerds love to hate on Judge's , but they shoot critical defense ammo very well and three "slugs" per trigger pull is quite effective.

[@OriginCorey]

Funny to me to think a bullet is going to penetrate 6 inches of pressure treated wood but not a two inch concrete block

[@davidlawickiii882]

I would love to see weird or older hunting cartridges compared just FYI. Always loved this channel and content tho keep it going.

[@squirlly7328]

Not a fair fight. The .45ACP and .45 Colt are pistol rounds thus we being used as designed, the .410 Bore is a shotgun round and that short barrel didn't allow for total burning of the powder.....

[@thebanditman5663]

Then why use a judge with .410 at all then?

[@hackaboom]

the exchangeability is why its the "lords" caliber :)

[@FrancisDincher-qm2nt]

Factory loaded 45 Colt loads are pretty anemic, because of lots of older revolvers that are around. Hand loading can get the best from 45 Colt, but must only be used in modern revolvers. Be Careful!

[@wintermute7378]

Sir, your voice is magnificent

[@MikeD-7z]

Love this channel.

[@RumbelinGrumbelin]

those speeds shocked me, now I wonder what my little 4/10 break action does with slugs

[@hettro-cv6082]

Good video!

[@hardergamer]

Really love your testing, as you keep it simple and interesting, but please look into adding some air-guns to your testing, especially PCP air-guns! As this will massively increase the growth of the channel, from overseas like the UK and for people with convictions here, channels that have added PCP air-guns, soon get into the millions of subscribers in no time, and you have the needed types of testing which many other channels seem to be lacking. Again, love the channel! 😋🤑

[@ASMR-soothingsounds]

Interesting findings

[@jimjones395]

.45 acp was designed to equal the .45 LC in an auto so...

[@Kurtdog63]

I guess the question for the .410 is, is it still lethal if only the wad hits the target?

[@Anonym-yr4qn]

Now i wonder how a Long Barrel influences this.

[@seanfoltz7645]

If you want bad frog noises, look up "bullfrog screaming" and prepare to know what demon frog REALLY means.

[@chrispritchard6447]

Hope to get my stuff going. I have some ideas that need to come to life I don't see what I wouldn't mind having. I know it would gain traction.

[@mojoman2001]

Was it surprising that the entry hole of the first three ammos tested was 0.45? Maybe he was feigning surprise. 🤔

[@Drew18000]

Just found your channel. Love the content. New sub here

[@ralfhtg1056]

What I like most about your tape measure: it has also metric on it, so I don't need to use a calculator.

[@richardwoods4821]

Very cool video!!

[@billpeet5556]

Hollow points did just what they were made to do, open fast. Try it with different bullet, full metal jacket

[@conradswadling8495]

thanks

[@whatshaploing8256]

1:40 I was clowning on 410 until he did the re-shoot.

[@dvgayle1]

What's the point in using 45 Colt if you're not going to use hot loads?

[@jeffreylocke8808]

I own a Governor S&W revolver. I got the raw aluminum one with the stainless steel cylinder. Love it!

[@ashiehakoto1490]

doun;r up the expanded mesh on the shield so it overlaps and covers easch other's big gaps. it'll double the weight, but half the other one, and will cathc shrapnel big enough to hurt you.

[@jeffreybean5363]

Very interesting stuff 🇺🇸👊

[@raymundo5044]

What I like about the Chanel is the 🐸🐸🐸

[@IRishbuck58]

Cool video 👍

[@crankygunreviews]

Fun stuff! The .410 slugs def are screaming!

[@antonjoubert6980]

Geuss in a shtf situation it might be usefull to be able to use multiple calibres?

[@officedullard8722]

I wonder if the cylinder gap had any effect on the 45acp. I also think it'd be cool to see 45acp and 45lc +p.

[@FirePirate099]

I feel like the concrete is a wasted test, much like the sandbox. Nothing ever does much to the plywood

[@THNKKY]

My man with the tactical crocs!

[@donskiver]

That was A LOT of unburnt powder stuck in the front of the block. No wonder it only went a couple inches.

[@paulharding1621]

Any rifling will cause shot to spread very quickly after exiting the muzzle.

[@eddawg79]

Were those 45LC's cowboy loads, it'll do way more than that. Wonder what the difference would've been if it was a gun without all that free bore.

[@randybyrd8755]

I ❤ The straight toward way you make a video. I watch a lot of gin channels and you're the top one I've fought.

[@jeffbetts4254]

I have a question are you using in the 45 long colt, are you using cowboy loads or real hunting loads?

[@zelevenzelevenz9823]

That thumbnail was interesting that extractor star and tooth star sure have seen it’s fair usage maybe time to get a replacement ? Was that from usage wearing or was that a file and re notch job ?

[@oubliette31415]

that was a good one.

[@diplexnormal3353]

I’m honestly surprised that there’s two 45 revolvers matched penetration. I was expecting the 45 Auto to be slower considering that 45 auto wasn’t meant to originally to be in a revolver. I thought the round would be at least be slightly slower but holy shit. I can’t even figure out how 45ACP *isn’t* even a little slower, I mean I’m impressed. I assume it has to do with the barrel length difference between a 1911 and this 45ACP revolver but idk.

[@chrismayo4902]

Wow excellent review’ subscribed for sure’ no frills no bull crap’ well besides that demon bull frog! That giveaway is awesome!!! Always wanted one but being a dad with kids takes all my funds with there activities being priority, I joined the sweepstakes as well’ you can’t win if you don’t play.

[@derekeastman7771]

Would have liked to see the penetration tests with FMJ vs hollow point

[@surfstarcc1]

Well this is awesome!!

[@Adam-nv9zo]

7:17, the elusive red rocket slug.

[@glenndavis1406]

So… lemme get this straight… three of the most classic boomer fudd calibers and no toilet fudd? 😆 Thanks for keeping him in the dark on this one. Greta vid as usual!

[@MrRugercat45]

Boomer fudd calibers? They’ve been around a lot longer than you and probably will be around for longer than your kids. Pretty good accomplishment I think.

[@pinkysgarage4517]

Always fun and informative. Thanks!

[@IwishIknewmore26]

The knots in the 4x4 are probably causing inconsistencies in penetration.

[@jamesmarkov9570]

Might be economical and more consistent to find 2x4 pieces without knots and screw them together. That makes penetration examination easier to see vs sawing them apart.

[@commiesnzombies]

try some 45 long colt lehigh defense hollow points xtra long bullets

[@joshua43214]

I'm gonna be that guy: It's .45 Colt, not .45 Long Colt