.45 auto VS 10mm (Liberty Civil Defense) Ballistics Gel Test

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[@funwithballistics1016]

Been saying it for years so i dont mind saying it again: Civil Defense is some of the best self defense ammo on the market today. Insane velocity on the .45! I was expecting about 2000 fps but NOT 2331! That 10mm was almost 180 fps over advertised too! Thank you very much for this test!

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@funwithballistics1016 Thank you brother, always appreciate ya taking the time to check em out!! Was definitely some nasty stuff!!💣💥

[@funwithballistics1016]

@AzAirgunner. my pleasure bro really enjoying the content! Also please test Simx Defensecore if you see it. You'd be one of few who has.

[@cosyfoot7867]

It’s really not. Velocity does no good if the bullet didn’t stay intact and it doesn’t penetrate. You can’t reinvent the wheel with pistol ballistics with old calibers. Carry HSTs, gold dots, critical duty etc over this gimmick. If something doesn’t expand to at least 12-14 inches in ballistics gel it’s a nonstarter. It’s literally the reason the FBI decided to switch calibers because a bullet that doesn’t properly penetrate will not incapacitate. There’s a reason these things “veer outside the block” constantly. The same reason they don’t expand. This doesn’t even factor in hitting bone as gel doesn’t simulate that at all. It’s too weak of a round and too light to work. There’s a reason no law enforcement or anyone reputable use these.

[@funwithballistics1016]

@cosyfoot7867 the fbi went through their bs with penetration because of just one atypical shot through the shoulder blade. Even if the round hit the heart it wouldn't have made a difference because it had no velocity at that point and heart shots don't incapacitate as quickly as most would think. You can look at police shooting videos online and see how often HSTs Gold Dots and Critical Duty actually fail. What would switching calibers do for them? They've switched calibers numerous times just to go back to 9mm. Marshall and Sanow took street data and found that 8.5-12 inches of penetration was the best on the street and stopping power dropped off after about 14 inches. They also referenced a study from the US Army that found 15 inches or more penetration correlated to through and through torso shots on the street at a rate of about 70%. Fragmenting bullets also did the best in their tests as well as in Strasbourg. Yeah I prefer animal test data or meat tests to just gel personally.

[@greybeard277]

I like that manufacturers are exploring different ways to deliver energy on target. I am not sold on fast and very light, but it's hard to argue with those energy numbers. It would be informative to line up your tests from very light to very heavy and see the ft/lbs verses penatration graph. Good testing as usual, thanks.

[@randyjustin4408]

It’s dependent on many factors but tbh if you compare a 850 fps 230 gr slug to this, it’s definitely better at stopping a target

[@Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329]

That 45 energy is impressive.

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@Cant_Stop-Wont-Stop0329 💪💯 I was also very impressed and surprised.

[@TransformersHoarder]

@@AzAirgunner. with all the extra energy it just did not look as devastating as 10mm though.

[@salvadorhernandez7903]

Serious energy out of both. Surprised to see that in the 45, up there with 460 Rowland in terms of energy.

[@angrysheepdog9744]

Exploding ashtrays. Looks impressive but I prefer the deeper penetration of bonded rounds.

[@robwilson3749]

Thank you for the test and thank you JonG from Texas!

[@snowdogthewolf]

5:38 "A huge star pattern..." Yeah, if that star went nova. LOL That's a mess of a wound. Another excellent video, thanks!

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@snowdogthewolf 😄Appreciate ya buddy!! Thank you!!

[@curly__3]

Thank you and thank you John G!

[@mtower235]

Nothing I’d carry but appreciate the test

[@Blobertbigly]

Not bad, if its accurate, reliable, consistent, and can get thru a carhart and a hoodie, these look like really good rounds if you have fear of overpenetration

[@timjohnson8390]

These would be perfect for home defense

[@Patriotx-gx4ce]

That's an explosion inside, and don't have to worry about exit so much. For home defense 45.

[@robwilson3749]

I don't own 10mm's but I wouldn't use the .45 over the 10 mill based on what I just saw given a choice. Both wicked though.

[@GreyShooter]

Wow, those rounds are nuts. 💥💥 The 10mm load will make just under 3000 fps out of a 16" carbine. Great test, AZ. 👍

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@GreyShooter Appreciate ya brother!!🌶💣💥

[@ninjadave1970]

The spinning case from the 10mm looked 😎 cool!❤

[@rangetime6779]

Regardless of penetration the wound would do what it needs to. It's the varmint round for pistols.Thanks for your awesome testing

[@alfontana6242]

Just to say, those are impressive velocities out of a handgun

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@alfontana6242 💪💯💣💥

[@kc0lif]

impressive. i like 45 acp & 10mm.

[@joshblank1]

Where are you 45 haters now? 941 lbs / ft and over 2300 velocity. I have both the 45 and 10. Was going to get a 357 Sig but might just get this ammo instead

[@noshillgunreviews]

Nice stuff man. Would you say these would be good choices for self-defense?

[@funwithballistics1016]

I certainly would!

[@robwilson3749]

Only if you want to stop an assailant.

[@michaelkaczor4206]

Both extremely fast heavy hitting light weight bullets. If I carried .45 I think I would chose that round. Nice job as always great content great video👍😁

[@Zantar45]

That was some crazy energy dumping from both rounds. If that Civil Defense ammo has a similar performance out of a shorter barrel and functions reliably in a 1911, carrying it in an Officer model it could be an appealing choice because the ammo weighs almost nothing. Better yet, it would make a M&P Shield 45 an ultra-light carry gun option

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@Zantar45 💪💯 I'll be testing it sometime soon out of a 3.5" 1911 and a G29 to see the differences in sub compact frames. Should be fun. Appreciate ya taking the time to check it out!!🍻

[@bizzimartini]

Not sure if it will work but you might could try a few steel plates or some Kevlar and sit the block on it to maybe help save your tables and catch veering projectiles.

[@richki.24]

they really tear things up as they enter ..

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@richki.24 💪💯💣💥

[@paulscountry456]

One thing they still manufacture here is the best cartridges and bullets in the world.

[@bradl.6779]

On the 45 test, it looks like the block was spitting out shrapnel.

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@bradl.6779 Yessir, it absolutely was. The gel didn't like that round at all lol.

[@ninjadave1970]

You need a table made of AR500! Or 550 even!❤

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@ninjadave1970 😂Seriously though. I need a table sponsor already. I go through 1 a week lol. U should see the couple I'm using now, there're destroyed.

[@jmichaelcarbonniere9549]

Good test, AZ! This stuff is impressive but I wonder what the actual application might be. While I do like the light-for-caliber bullets, in my case it's the 10mm fluted bullets, which usually penetrate 16 - 18". These Liberty bullets would be ok unless you to encounter a bad guy of, let's say, considerable bulk. Ok, let's just call it what it is, really fat! While a 40 or 45 cal hole in a bad guy is never a bad thing, in the case of our overweight attacker we end up with a massive flesh wound! Ok, even a flesh wound involving this much energy is nothing to sneeze at, when it comes to stopping him, it's still a flesh wound! Thus it could take multiple hits to truly stop him from doing you harm. I suppose that if a person were really worried about over penetration (I am not in least worried about it) where these are more applicable but otherwise, I see little use for them myself. YMMV, as always. Carry whatever let's you sleep soundly at night! Cheers, jc

[@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS]

Most of us aim at center-mass. Obese or not, there's very little subcutaneous fat there and certainly not enough to stop a 2,500 fps 60gr bullet from entering the thoracic cavity.

[@sj6404]

That 10mm I think beats a 5.56 out of a pistol length carbine barrel - what was the recoil like?

[@kennethferguson4283]

IMHO I consider these rounds to be ideal for smaller critters dogs etc. where over penetration was a concern. The obvious concern for barrier penetration would be a deal breaker for me as far as SD use.

[@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS]

Dogs lol .... At 2,300-2,500 fps, the Civil Defense rounds have no issue with barrier penetration. They slice through IIIA armor like butter and they pass through car doors without issue. There's some related footage on the interwebz if you're interested.

[@kennethferguson4283]

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[@kennethferguson4283]

@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS 🤣

[@TransformersHoarder]

I think they even make this stuff for 357 Sig.

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@TransformersHoarder Yessir they sure do. Was our previous video😁.

[@TransformersHoarder]

@ don’t know how it didn’t appear in my feed! LOL, searching for it now.

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@TransformersHoarder YT likes to do that sometimes lol.

[@exothermal.sprocket]

Yeah not penetrating enough, especially if you had to place a side shot and had an arm and couple sets of bones to deal with.

[@bubbadan20006]

Insane comment. Don’t matter where that’s hitting you! It’s putting your ass down and out of the fight.

[@milehighgimpster]

Great test. I think I'd use this if I saw it cheaper than my usual self defense ammo.

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@milehighgimpster Appreciate ya!! Definitely on the high end.

[@Disastrous.Affect]

I've had weird results from the 10mm of this round with my chronograph, I think it has a lot more debris coming out of the barrel compared to other ammo. Out of my XDmE, I got anywhere from 1390 to 2312 fps,🤷‍♂ but out of the Banshee it is more stable in the low 2700's and out of the LC Carbine it was around 3000 fps. It does put on one of the best shows with pineapple I have seen.🫡 I posted a short video of shooting a pineapple with the LC Carbine and Banshee with this round.👍

[@AzAirgunner.]

@@Disastrous.Affect Yeah that's definitely a pretty wide spread. I was thinking the color of the bullet had something to do with it and throwing the reflectors off. Idk🤷‍♂️. Put a few over the chrono off cam after the test and all seemed consistent. Was very surprised and impressed with the numbers and power. Extra spicy🌶💣💥. Heck yeah I'll definitely check it out. Gonna have to try it myself now lol.🤔 🍍

[@Disastrous.Affect]

@AzAirgunner. It could just be my setup, the other tools read fine over it. 👍