46521 with TPO at Quorn Saturday 27th April 2013

[@WhyAyeMann]

"Scenario Ended, car derailed."

[@BNSFSantaFe603]

Train sim world I guess?

[@WhyAyeMann]

@@BNSFSantaFe603 nuo.

[@tufcfan10]

Yes

[@tobywolfie1936]

MSTS

[@TheHumbleFellow]

"You have caused confusion and delay!" said the Fat Controller.

[@titmouse-distribution]

"No U" Said The Train

[@bennickss]

The Fat Controller laughed. ‘You are right.’

[@cinnamonmantrainsareawesom7224]

“Luckily no one was hurt”

[@dariusthedmirconsolidation3494]

Diesel: “oh, BALL LOCKS!”

[@trainzconduct3345]

0:55

[@jonathangurd4642]

“Well, at least we now know these trap points work”

[@greendayforever2k9]

The Fat Controller was very cross.

[@dereksum18]

greendayforever2

[@lenrenwick693]

as a locoman of over 40 years experience, this is unforgiveable on the part of all concerned

[@jaidencracknell2326]

they had permission to go its just the catch points where not set

[@Stefan_Boerjesson]

@@jaidencracknell2326 Shouldn't the signalbox handle the points? I was once given the departure signal by the station commander. On the way out of the station the first two points were not as they should be and were not locked either. Never take anything for granted. It was just to stop, get out and "throw the ball over" as we say here.

[@tonyfearn2452]

@@jaidencracknell2326 even if the engine crew did have signalmans permission pass the signal at danger and go -its STILL the drivers responsibility to proceed at extreme caution , examine the road ahead and check all points to see if they lay correctly !!!

[@Ellaamericasbestdecapod]

Same here

[@TrainTrackTrav]

"CLARKSOOOON!"

[@jacobjohnston1218]

😂😂😂😂

[@Gavs_rc_hobbies]

I honestly read that in James May's voice!!

[@stevenbanaan]

fucking killed me

[@calebc.2290]

TrainTrackTrav Clarkson: what? James: You muppet. What’s that...

[@dannydorito9815]

HAMMMMMOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNDDDDDDDD

[@Kimiimonster]

This is an amazing capture, it made my stomach flip to watch! We were at the gala the afternoon after the derailment. They were running pilotman and had the crane ready to pick her up as we caught the last train through Quorn. This is a good reminder always to check!

[@390h8er]

Possibly the luckiest catch ever filmed at a railway! Is it weird that I find it hilarious?

[@leonardovalladares4315]

Its hilarious as hell

[@LordPhobos6502]

As an enthusiast and a railworker... this is absolutely hilarious. Signal: doesn't move. Train: screw it let's go... 10 seconds later: let's... just sit here for a while longer...

[@tortrac958]

@@LordPhobos6502 now this comment got me laughing

[@CymruEmergencyResponder]

@@LordPhobos6502 The signal is irrelevant. They were cleared to pass it at danger by the signalman.

[@IsMiseStiùbhart]

For some reason I now picture Ringo Starr going "Ahh shit!" says Thomas.

[@Scotsman60103]

Trust me this catch point derailment is preferable to a head on collision. The idea of catch points are de rail runaways to divert them away from the mainline and the possibility of colliding with an approaching train.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

There was no possibility of a collision. The train had the road and was waved past the signal at danger by the signalman - the problem was the signalman hadn't opened the trap point.

[@deeremeyer1749]

I really don't think a "head-on collision" was remotely possible on those "toy train tracks". Even if the derailed unit had been "heading" instead of "tailing" toward that "mainline". It also wasn't a "runaway".

[@deeremeyer1749]

@@ShizukuSeiji The "problem" was the "train driver for a day" was making a "blind move" without a "ground man" and had no idea whatsoever the "catch points" were even there. Nobody "trained" him when he made his cash donation to "charity" in return for time on the "footplate" playing with the choo-choo at that "heritage railway".

[@tonyfearn2452]

@thong thong you sound like a man of very great experiance and knowledge in the subject - of railways so JUST how many years of driving REAL trains do you have under your belt ??

[@thestarlightalchemist7333]

Everybody shut the fuck up. It was an honest mistake by whoever did it, now stop blabbering and be thankful nobody was seriously injured.

[@theenviroman8973]

Well this scenario took an unexpected turn.

[@MTNLucarioLord]

+PeterPat Post aha! (?)

[@EpicNotch]

Angry Welshman!!!

[@matthewburke3087]

“Houston, we have a problem”

[@RiflemanMoore]

More like Euston we have a problem.

[@alexcollier9584]

you have caused confusion and delay

[@secondvalveservices9856]

alex collier scrap me fat ass

[@davidbrown2460]

What a splendid clip of how things are not supposed to work out, and of how effective catch points are at protecting the main line.

[@DazrahT]

I learnt that at signalling school :) Loving the armchair debates

[@richardbaker1522]

With some of the remarks in the comments about my video I'm glad I've retired. When I did it the only come back was Being dressed down by my traction inspector. He's last word on the subject was "You won't do that again Will YOU !!!! ". Also I was given a nickname for a short time

[@WhyAyeMann]

Too many scathing armchair railway critics and miserable little people who infest this field who call themselves "enthusiasts." Its quite well ruined it for me too. Yes, they made a boo boo. Nobody got hurt and the engine is fine. We dont need an NTSB report, lets get on with our lives people....

[@deeremeyer1749]

One bad day "on the footplate" as a weekend "railroader" at the old "heritage railway" was enough, huh? I don't blame you. If I made a cash donation to a "charity" in exchange for getting to play with the choo-choos and pretend to be a real "train driver" after my first "retirement" from my first "career" driving a desk and/or wearing a suit every day of my "adult life" for decades and decades and nobody "trained" (pun optional) me on "catch points" and/or "played" ground man for me during a blind move and I ended up putting the choo-choo "in the dirt" at 1 mph in a "siding" as I was "shunting" a long "consist" of passenger "carriages" and my "traction inspector" dressed me down and my "co-workers" made fun of me I'd probably "retire" too. Train "driving" and "railwaying" look so much easier and more fun and "romantic" from the other side of a TV or movie or computer screen and/or while "train spotting" and/or from inside a "first class" passenger "carriage", don't they?

[@deeremeyer1749]

@@WhyAyeMann You couldn't get an NTSB report in that shithole country if you wanted one. And its just a "heritage railway" where well-heeled "volunteers" pony up a little "financial support" for that "registered charity" to buy their way onto the "footplate" and play "train driver for a day" anyway, isn't it? Hell, the lack of "training" and "instruction" about things like "catch points" and being sent to make a blind move alone without a "ground man" and the resulting "boo-boo with the choo-choo" and "clean up" and the "dressing down" by the "boss" and the "good-natured ribbing" by all the driver-for-a-day's "co-workers" AND THE PERFECTLY-POSITIONED "SOUVENIR VIDEO" CAMERA RECORDING HIM "ON THE JOB" MIGHT JUST BE PART OF THE "RAILWAY REALITY SHOW" PACKAGE AND "RETIREMENT" AT THE END OF THE DAY IS PROBABLY "MANDATORY". HELL, THE CRANE WAS ALREADY "STEAMING" WHEN THE "WRECKING CREW" CAME ROLLING IN FOR THE "CLEANUP" SO THIS MUST NOT HAVE BEEN TOO MUCH OF AN "EMERGENCY" AND IT CERTAINLY WASN'T THE "BOSS'S" FIRST RODEO, WAS IT?

[@2112pk]

@@deeremeyer1749 you "sound" like an utter "prick"

[@TankEngine75]

@@WhyAyeMann While I do hate Armchairs,I don't see how these "Miserable Young People" aren't enthusiasts I mean an Enthusiast is someone who likes Railways,we shouldn't gatekeep people

[@josephmarrison4606]

Arnold: "Ralph! How many times have I told you not to touch that lever?! You've got to pay attention!"

[@southwalestrainspotting5090]

Joseph Marrison Ha ha ha

[@TheDankEngineer]

But no lever was pulled incorrectly. They just forgot to check that the catch points let to the main line.

[@Plymouth_Belvedere]

The funny bit to me about this is this is the actual locomotive used in the series

[@billcobbett9259]

The fact remains that no one thought to check the points, even if the signalman did give permission to proceed against a danger signal. Assuming that this catch point is operated from the box and not from the ground frame, did he not check the lever? Running tender first, I doubt that anyone on the engine would have seen the setting of the points, unless they leaned some way out of the cab. Having said that, the driver should have shut off and braked the instant that the tender left the rails- it made enough noise!

[@TheSteamtramman]

On the Southern as a fireman I walked miles checking point and catch points. It is as I'm sure you know in the Rulebook. Some of these modern play train people would try to muzzle load a Kalashnikov.

[@ShizukuSeiji]

Bill - driver probably did shut off and brake as soon as he could, but reaction time is involved, plus sheer surprise! Even moving at 1 to 2 mph a 50~60 ton loco is going to go some distance even with brakes on. It did stop within its own length which is actually pretty impressive.

[@RacoonySkaloonyOfficial]

The points couldn't been jammed or tampered with

[@BrokenIET]

@@ShizukuSeiji Also locos don’t instantly react, there is time between shutting the regulator and the steam cutting off

[@AussiePom]

If you look closely at the footage the driver doesn't once look where he's going. He's looking down the train probably for the guard and even when he sets off he STILL only looks down the train and not where he's going. Now he may have had permission to pass the signal at red but that's no excuse for not making sure the road was set for him. I don't about the terminology in the UK but here the track is called the road. It's like driving a car and just because the traffic light in front of you is green doesn't mean that the vehicles to your left and right are going to stop on their red light. Someone is bound to run a red light and hit you if you're not prepared for it. It's unforgivable to derail on trap points and a sign of bad enginemanship.

[@Moff34028]

I come back and view this from time to time. It's quite vexing to see the catch points set against the train - if only I could run along the embankment , waving and shouting at the crew!

[@TheRedFloofball_Foxy]

Waving and shouting madly like they did in Edith Nesbit’s “Railway Children” , saving a train from an accident

[@zozzie8539]

The thing is that if you're only undertaking a job occasionally rather than everyday you don't have the same depth of experience. Inicdents happen on the mainline of course but an incident like this one, regardless of who or what caused it, really is unforgivable! I speak as someone who is a NWR signaller and a former P-Way Engineer - I've volunteered on the GC previously on the P-Way side too.

[@SCOOTERBOY40029]

I just love all these armchair railway experts on youtube!

[@Paraffinmeister]

Yup, you're spot on there. I'm talking from experience with that type of loco and similar length trains. It still takes a few seconds for vacuum to be destroyed throughout the train (air has to get all the way from the valve in the cab to the last coach, the longer the train, the longer the lag and that's a fairly long train for an Ivatt). Also, I would imagine that in the moment of panic on the footplate the brakes weren't applied the instant things went wrong.

[@chris-io1ki]

I guess this won't be stopping at Hatley for a while!. Harry Lambert will be over the moon😊

[@PhonyGamer-po8ci]

Well, At least we know the trap points work

[@GeneMaimin]

"I say Ollie, This is a fine mess you've gotten us into." Ouch!!!

[@1401thunderboltstudios]

For the people who don't understand what happened this is what did : ivat 46521 had permission to pass the red signal and from what I am guessing neither the signalmen or the crew knew that the trap points were on and like that they derailed.

[@charleshax]

Keep going, you’re good, you’re good, you’re good, and stop. Don’t worry cap’n we’ll buff out the scratches!

[@omahas9000]

It's SO easy to point fingers, isn't it? Like you guys never make mistakes. This is exactly how this sort of thing happens. Someone simply loses concentration for a moment and it could have been ANY ONE of you. For me, I feel terrible for these guys.

[@pjay3392]

This is exactly what happens when you put Bill & Ben, the flower pot men in charge of a loco for a few minutes.

[@1035pm]

Exactly... complete all round incompetence. The fact no one checked, double checked or triple checked.. even a blind man with half his brain missing from an industrial accident could have spotted the trap switch was on.

[@joeythecat7482]

Or what happens when Bill and Ben the tank engine twins meet a gullible signalman

[@trainmaniacstudios8216]

Niiccceee! :D I can just imagine the driver saying 'Aw crap....'

[@JoeyMBrooklyn]

“Luckily no one was hurt.”

[@WestCoastRailwayBoy]

HOLY CRAP!!!!, thanks for uploading this I really wanted to see how it happened

[@JamesRailwayAdventure]

0:55 narrator: luckily no one was hurt. Barry: oh dear what will the fat controller say.

[@NicholasMarion-pl9bm]

Narrator: He found out soon enough.

[@KenBrownekb71000duke]

Dear oh dear what a mess! Your comments are very apt Richard!! Cheers, Ken

[@CrisisOnACanoe]

He seems to have had permission, as he blew two long whistles, indicating that he was given said permission to pass the signal. Obviously he didn't look past the tender - maybe he forgot, but No.46521 is back on the rails and running once more without any fault. No more harm done.

[@bryemycaz]

Ralph was driving again.

[@southwalestrainspotting5090]

Bryan Coates Where's Arnold when you need him!

[@camking1343]

The engine says Oh dear when will my controller of the trains see me with this! 😱

[@stationmasterkuma]

If any of yall don't know and are wondering the locomotive is a BR Standard 2MT 2-6-0.

[@yeoldeseawitch]

no its an LMS Ivatt Class 2, basically what BR based the 2MT on.

[@stationmasterkuma]

@@yeoldeseawitch my bad :p

[@callum110597]

My gosh, I was not actually expecting that to happen, despite seeing the catch points there!

[@SCOOTERBOY40029]

Really, im so pleased for you. Most of the comments on here are from people who have no actual railway knowledge, like the one who posted saying that the driver should have set the points! Drivers do not set the points, it the signaller, or points operator acting under the instructions of the signaller or PIC if one was appointed. It was a nasty accident, and thank God, there was no injuries.

[@billgreening4879]

And, for those of you asking why the OP did not notice the points were set against the movement, consider one thing. Like the majority of you, I assume, he is a photographer. He's not controlling the move, or involved in it. If I sat you all down, and showed you this 100 second long video for the first time, out of context and with no clue that a derailment would occur, how many of you would spot that the trap points were still normal ? Honestly. Or are you all perfect ?

[@KingofGamingAndTrains456]

"Luckily no one was hurt, but The Fat Controller was very cross."

[@yankinga]

This calls for John Cleese to walk on in a policeman's uniform and exclaim " 'ere now, what's all this then?"

[@redmozzy]

As an ex signalman, I feel for all those concerned, they will have taken it very badly I'm sure. I'm a little confused on why the train was instructed to pass the signal at danger (if that is the case), that would only happen if there was a malfunction of equipment, in which case, yes, they should have made sure the route was still set. Saying that, Rhe train crew surely should have checked to make sure

[@blehtbh]

Makes me happy to see this again

[@60836]

I am sure as it's been confirmed on here and elsewhere. Its also obvious in the video as the driver gives the required long whistle as he's passing the signal. As for the traps being locked/chocked, they don't need to be if the signal is at fault. But it does help if the route is set if you want to pull a signal off...

[@TheTrainMaster15]

As soon as you see the tender go down slightly there is just that, “aw fuck” moment, and it just all goes wrong.

[@Albrat28]

as a person who has been on the footplate while a locomotive is moving... I was thinking the same, luckily from this footage it looks as though both escaped unharmed, though clearly shocked and shaken. The fireman looks out the cab after the train is at rest. If either had been injured I doubt that would have been the case. for the most part. The most important thing is that no one was injured.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

This must have been embarrassing for the driver and signalman (can't really put any blame on the fireman - not like he has much duty in this). I'm curious as to why they passed a signal at "stop"...and why the signalman hadn't set the points correctly. I mean seriously, that's a run-off line, isn't it? It shouldn't even be SET to that unless it's an emergency...

[@ProblemProductionsLD]

The points are set that way if there is no train supposed to be using them, regardless of whether an emergency situation exists. It is precisely to PREVENT emergency situations from existing that these points are there in the first place. They passed a signal at stop because they had permission to do so granted by the signalman. This is why the whistle is blown for a fairly long, single blast at the beginning of the video - they do this to show the signalman that in no uncertain terms they are now moving off following his granting of permission to do so. Regardless, they proceeded when the points had not been set correctly following permission being given to SPAD. There will have been someone/people responsible for this, of course, but without knowing the full story, I wouldn't simply put the blame on the signalman and driver. I'd do my own research first before forming an opinion and would encourage you to do the same.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Problem Productions I see, thanks for the info. Plus I learned something about runoff points, I didn't know "derail" was their natural setting.

[@ProblemProductionsLD]

Damian Freeman No worries. The technical term is "catch points" - the idea is that they will derail any train that's not supposed to be there, basically, to prevent it from going onto the running line and potentially causing a collision or other such major accidents.

[@MrJoeyWheeler]

Problem Productions The more you know. I do like learning more about railway terminology and protocols, particularly in the steam era.

[@ProblemProductionsLD]

Damian Freeman Exactly! And that's good, I enjoy it too.

[@Thursdaym2]

That's another fine mess you've got me into Stanley.

[@VinnyMartello]

That had to be the most unsettling feeling EVER.

[@camking1343]

In memory of 46521

[@hunterneitzel3012]

Everything is fine, 46521 only had Minor damage, easily repairable

[@KarlthefirstofAustria]

"The Fat Controller was very cross at Barry."

[@briankaroll57]

"Barry!!" Boomed the fat controller

[@camking1343]

In memory of the most famous engine

[@gnads1]

Yes.... I have seen this happen before when I was working a shift at an outstation. A train was in the loop for a considerable time for crossings. When it was it's turn to go the Station Master sent me over to the locomotive with the staff to give to the driver but he hadn't made the road & pulled off the signal.... there were no catch points so when the driver took off without checking the signal the locomotive ran through the points smashing the interlocking ..... luckily no derailment.

[@lazza747]

I would imagine that due to the sounding of the whistle before moving off, he was passing the signal at danger under authority. If that is the case, the crew should have checked the position of the points before moving off. A case of an error by both signalman and driver.

[@TheSteamtramman]

I have difficulty in believing this as the Rulebook, red or black, is quite clear and succinct. Did the fireman go across and sign the book? Was there an enquiry?

[@Rickstew86]

I'm not so sure it was a SPAD. The long whistle before passing the signal indicates the driver has been authorised by the Signalman to pass the signal at danger. Signalman not checked the points before authorising the driver to pass the signal, perhaps, or even not asked the driver to check the points when passing.

[@jordandorsett3106]

Barry(was cross 😡) : WHOS Been playing with the catch poi- (Hears Bill and Ben Laughing 😂) 😤 oh Those TWINS!!!!

[@RYNT1157]

A clear signal with interlocking means points are correctly set, when a signal has to be passed at Danger those safeguards are not there so all points facing or trailing should be checked by the Engine Crew and also see that the correct route is set up. Never take a chance. No one was injured that is the main thing but its a lesson learned.

[@SmurfyDan1991]

As the narrator in Thomas and Friends would state this after some usual accident; "Luckily no one was hurt".

[@bobbobless522]

See what happens when u text and drive.....

[@penkagenova7073]

I'm not so sure it was the drivers fault because did you see that before the engine derailed the was a another set of tracks just ending at the switch it starts I think some guy possibly a child was playing with the switch and probably switched the points and when the train departed or atleast tried to it went on them which led to the derailment

[@fetchstixRHD]

@@penkagenova7073: Surely though, seeing that the signal was at stop/danger the whole time, the driver bears some (if not all) of the responsibility? Because the signal wasn't cleared, the trap points were set to derail any train, as it did here. [edit: they had permission to pass the signal according to the description, but even then the driver didn't check the points apparently]

[@piemistress4870]

Catch points are found, often, at the bottom of an incline and trap points at signals. BUT variations DO occur from region to region and BR were by no means consistent with positioning or names for different types of points... therefore there isn't exactly a 'right' or 'wrong' answer in general, though this particular set are trap points.... I am happy to have 'pointed' this out... :')

[@wellingtonnorthjunction3911]

He did a SPAD (signal passed at danger)

[@LuciousDeMorte]

Not so, this was a movement authorised by the signalman, made past a single at danger, as is indicated by the single long whistle as the engine passed by.

[@sam8alex12]

Did heads roll that day, Surely someone would have seen how the points were set,

[@lasagnepod]

"the fat controller proceeded to tell Thomas: 'You have caused confusion and delay!'"

[@osprey60]

Surprised the signalman didn't appear at his door!! Where was he?

[@AndyCreepy27]

Maybe the camera man didn't notice the position of the catch points because he was busy filming the train, it's not easy to see pointwork from a camcorder screen if your looking at that and not the train, and as for shouting a warning, worth a try but I should think that would be in vain, as the driver and fireman won't hear it over the noise of the locomotive

[@bluebellModelrailway]

woops, first piece of footage Ive seen of the actual incident... Its quite hard to apportion blame when not all the facts are not known, or out in the open... was the driver given permission to pass a red? did something fail with the catch point? Or just a simple miss understanding? The crew certainly looked surprised,Theres a lot of if, buts and maybes its better to wait, Im sure they will look in to it, to find out what went wrong. Hopefully everyone on the loco were ok, and its not to damaged

[@georgestocks6818]

35 years on the S&T and I've never heard that one before! Says a lot really. A little knowledge etc eh?

[@buffscrag71]

The points can be changed in special cirumstances even if the signal is at danger. Generally the catch point would be released from the interlocking and 'clipped', or clamped shut. However, you're right that the signalman should have been explicit in his instructions that this shouild be done before the train proceeds.

[@UKDKJFB]

Any signalman's nightmare. There but for the grace of God (and the Rule Book)...

[@deeremeyer1749]

That's why you don't make blind moves without a "ground man".

[@Georgeconna32]

was that the catch point demo weekend. Is there one this year?

[@Daniel-sf4mr]

The fat controller: you have caused confusion and delay Black tender engine: I’m sorry sir this will not happen again

[@ussnautilusss-1687]

Bruh moment number 46521: When no one checks the catch points BRUH.

[@antongelhiff7411]

I agree entirely with Mr McMullan's observations. As a case in point, probably the longest serving station master on any heritage railway (of 41 years) was recently denied the right to work as a result of a raft of trumped up charges brought against him by one of these new breed volunteer 'managers', who simply wanted him out of the way. He was clinically dismissed without being shown or given a chance to refute any 'evidence'. Indeed, we have travelled far from those early pioneering days!

[@Alpha-oo8]

So, what are catch points? I’m not a railway expert, but usually points lead somewhere, so the purpose of these is obviously something I’m not aware of.

[@tgm9991]

The purpose is to do what you see in this video, it's done to prevent unauthorised moves and runaways from killing people

[@GreatWestern175]

Holy shit! That's my reaction to this rare mash up

[@DVR01]

"Luckily, no one was hurt."

[@billgreening4879]

James, thank you for using a Rule from a BR's now obsolete rulebook to illustrate that British Rail certainly considered that Catch Points and Trap Points were different, but similar, things. That's why they listed them, in a list. If they were all the same thing, as you appear to contend, then they would have just said "Catch Points".

[@RC-si1xb]

Obvious Thomas the friends references are obvious

[@TheTrainMaster15]

And overused

[@titmouse-distribution]

r/iamverysmart

[@thebrummierailenthusiasts5329]

Look the points were not in the right place they should switch the points before sending 46521 out with the tpo train

[@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne]

Driver: "Oh sh*t"

[@SuperTrainStationH]

Feel better soon Blossom. :

[@Paraffinmeister]

It's a rough estimate on how long it would take to work up from cleaner to fireman to driver. Try it before passing judgment.

[@eagle50043]

'mrmeldrewstuntdouble' comment is spot on actually. these are rules that we follow on Network Rail metals and so do heritage railways.......except in this case! I suspect the signalman wont be allowed to set foot in a box again. Regardless of train crew checking to book stops with him for giving authority without doing the correct procedures.

[@timsering9964]

Thomas said, time to.call out the break down.train

[@DNRY122]

At my "home" railway museum in Southern California "always check the points" is one of our "watchwords". But, on thankfully rare occasions, someone forgets, and we have an "annoying situation".

[@eddyboy90]

Buffscrag71/azervich: points and signals are interlocked, but you've got it the wrong way round. The points can be moved when the signal is at danger because this stops trains going over them until they have been moved. The signal can't be cleared until a route acceptable to the interlocking has been set

[@Albrat28]

I shall say this. This maneuver was known to the public. A person had setup in this position to record the TPO moving out of the siding, Public were watching from the fence at the other side. Check the signals in the distance, Set to danger. The main line was set up for maneuvers to occur from the siding. The signal was set to danger, the catch points were set to main line protection, Driver nor fireman could see the points. All have a little blame. We know not who though.!

[@Editz4GTI]

That one slightly deaf driver: I think we went over some rocks, Reality: We have gone over the wrong way on points..

[@MrFreesearcher]

What do we do now Fred???

[@tomedy_official]

Did they not notice the signal wasn't down

[@NWR1991]

I've been to some heritage railways and they're not all dangerous. Why work free? It's called Volunteering, it shows people they're proud to work to keep the heritage of railway around for many generations. If this were a diesel then you think differently.

[@billgreening4879]

Dear all. Please note the following. 1. A set of worked points installed in a siding or loop, designed to protect another line by trapping and derailing vehicles before they can run onto it and foul it = TRAP points. 2. A set of points installed in a running line, usually sprung to allow them to be trailed, which are designed to catch and derail vehicles running away in the wrong direction on a gradient = CATCH points. The points in this video are quite obviously trap points.

[@michaelvyse9728]

The points are set against the train: the derailment was a foregone conclusion. Why did the signalman give the driver permission to move? I'm left thinking the whole thing was deliberate in order to demonstrate the working of the steam crane.....

[@secondvalveservices9856]

Michael Vyse the signal was at danger so the driver did not check the signal first

[@windsoord]

The signalman authorised the loco to pass the signal at danger. This is indicated by the long blast on the engine whistle as the loco draws close to, and then past the signal.

[@MsThunder40]

Well, that's another fine mess you have gone and gotten me into Stanley .

[@zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz385]

Luckily, no one was hurt...