495W server power supply teardown (with schematic)

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DiodeGoneWild

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What's inside a Dell 495W server switching power supply, including the simplified schematic and how does it work. This is a less common topology, a double boost circuit (active PFC and a pre-regulator) followed by a synchronously rectified isolated halfbridge converter with no output inductor (probably non-PWM).
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@rfmerrill
@rfmerrill 3 ай бұрын
I worked at Arista Networks from 2013-2016 or so and was qualifying power supplies with basically the same form factor as this, possibly same interface but hard to tell since they cut the end off (probably to harvest the gold plating). The ones we had were made by Artesyn/Emerson and Delta, exact same power rating 495W (although we also had bigger ones up to 750W and higher I think) and same +12V and 12Vsb. There are probably just the two power outputs, some control GPIOs, an analog current sharing signal that connects to the other power supply, and a PMBus interface (which is basically built on SMBus which is similar to I2C). I believe these power supplies can be configured for automatic fan control, but you can also read the temp sensor and control the fan via PMBus, which is desirable because you don't want the PSU fan doing its own thing separate from the main chassis fans, otherwise you can end up with reversed air flow when one is pushing harder than the other.
@xenoxaos1
@xenoxaos1 3 ай бұрын
We'd snap off the connector from dead ones that were no longer in warranty. Prevents swapping a dead one for another dead one.
@Novus_Ordo_Conditor
@Novus_Ordo_Conditor 3 ай бұрын
Even though he drew the schematic by hand, I have never seen anyone else draw such a good schematic. It's a great video, thank you.
@WagTsX
@WagTsX 3 ай бұрын
I really wanted to see you trying to power it. Seems in a very good shape, most of server PSUs that I got, were covered in dust so hard that I could barely read the components. This one seems brand new or used in a very well regulated environment.
@mahdyfouad
@mahdyfouad 3 ай бұрын
12:23 this cute creature is more intelligent than a lot of engineers i know.
@KeritechElectronics
@KeritechElectronics 3 ай бұрын
Nice supply. Packing lots of power in such a small size is quite an engineering achievement! I use a similar supply, albeit it's HP rather than Dell, as a central 12VDC supply for my lab.
@MiguelBaalm
@MiguelBaalm 3 ай бұрын
0:15 80 Plus Platinum actually means it must be over 90% efficient :) (90% at 20% load, 94% at 50% load, 91% at 100% load). The specification: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
Well, that's a bit confusing :) but typically, they want to confuse the customer the other way. I'd expect a 90% efficient power supply to be called "95 Plus Diamond SuperMax Deluxe Pro" :D
@godfreypoon5148
@godfreypoon5148 3 ай бұрын
I assumed it meant something to do with a beverage suggestion.
@Chuckiele
@Chuckiele 3 ай бұрын
@@DiodeGoneWild its just a legacy thing from the days when 80% efficiency was something special. Later they kept inventing more and more labels to accomodate the technological advancements. There used to be no gold or platinum :D
@pcrepairshop12
@pcrepairshop12 3 ай бұрын
nice video. its platinum rated power supply(92% efficient at half load) and server too not like dekstop like fan alone 2/3 of its volume, no wonder it bloody complex
@_________________404
@_________________404 3 ай бұрын
I barely understand anything about the electrical components but love watching it as always.
@EdwinSteiner
@EdwinSteiner 3 ай бұрын
Nice schematic and explanations! Seeing some measurements and waveforms of this thing in operation would be nice.
@cheekibreeki904
@cheekibreeki904 3 ай бұрын
495 is an interesting number.
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
Maybe some regulation requires it to contain something extra (that increases the manufacturing cost) from 500W up?
@xenoxaos1
@xenoxaos1 3 ай бұрын
Collocation charges... You can get billed on the number of height units typically 1U to 4U and how much power it can pull.
@callmefoxie2950
@callmefoxie2950 3 ай бұрын
These power supplies in Dell R620 like to blow up with a large blast. Something on the bottom goes up in smoke and shorts live to neutral killing circuit breakers. However output still works and the other power supply in the server keeps the server up & running :D
@wurgervomlichtenmoor5073
@wurgervomlichtenmoor5073 3 ай бұрын
It could be a fixed frequency resonant topology. Usually they are frequency controlled, but this can also work with the variable input voltage... I think. I've read that the diodes across the possible resonant capacitors limit the power and prevent capacitive operation. I've never seen a setup like this before...
@markp7129
@markp7129 3 ай бұрын
What an awesome video. I have learned so much about switch mode PSUs and electronics because of you and your videos, thank you 😃😃😃
@rfmerrill
@rfmerrill 3 ай бұрын
12:06 did you notice your old power supply is the same brand? :) Both made by Flextronics
@pomidorchikpopkerson8617
@pomidorchikpopkerson8617 3 ай бұрын
I work at the Flex factory
@longrunner258
@longrunner258 3 ай бұрын
Perhaps this arrangement is Flextronics' pet topology; I can't say I've seen it from any other manufacturer. Most other manufacturers would use the smaller inductor in an LLC resonant circuit (a few, such as the Seasonic G‑360, deliberately use a split‑bobbin transformer to get enough leakage inductance without needing a separate inductor) and not use the small 500V electrolytic capacitor.
@simonstergaard
@simonstergaard 3 ай бұрын
Lol... someone broke off the gold plated pcb connector
@Snowsea-gs4wu
@Snowsea-gs4wu 3 ай бұрын
Hi, thanks for the video Diode!
@airmann90
@airmann90 3 ай бұрын
Very neat psu, so much control circuitry. Would love to find a full schematic and really figure it out.
@phenome4973
@phenome4973 3 ай бұрын
Great video thansk for the great explanation. I've not seen the double boost topology unti watching your video 👍
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 3 ай бұрын
Can you make a video about double boost PSU? What is efficiency of each stage? What are the strong and weak points? Why don't we see such architecture in PCs?
@Alexelectricalengineering
@Alexelectricalengineering 3 ай бұрын
This one would be really hard to modify for a different output voltage, 2 years ago I modified 2 ATX PSU to go up to 20V!
@DuroLabs85
@DuroLabs85 3 ай бұрын
does the current capability stays the same though ? I doubt that it probably reduced the current a bit to match the power output.
@hopper7755
@hopper7755 3 ай бұрын
​@@DuroLabs85you can keep tha max current rating as long as the output power is below maximum power the PSU is designed for For example i have modified a 300(real)Watt(12A rating on 12V line) PSU and it can deliver 24V@10A without problems. Just have to make sure the output diodes can take that much curren instead of trusting tha lable
@DuroLabs85
@DuroLabs85 3 ай бұрын
Okay. But then overvolting the output how does the Supervisory IC does not interfere ? Its probably made to lock in at 12V right ? I have to revisit Great Scotts Video Again he did the PSU modification I think.
@Alexelectricalengineering
@Alexelectricalengineering 3 ай бұрын
@@DuroLabs85 Well you should not go over the maximum total output power. My is 500W, I think original it was 12V 20A and the rest was the 5V and 3.3V, so now it's 20V and 20A that's 400W. I no longer use the 5 V and 3.3V, actually I completely removed all the components for the 5V and 3.3V. And about the supervisor IC you need to cut a trace on the PCB.
@hopper7755
@hopper7755 3 ай бұрын
​@@DuroLabs85 Just dont use PSUs where the supervisor is build in the PWM CTRL. IC. That can be foolde too but at that point just find different PSU
@DuroLabs85
@DuroLabs85 3 ай бұрын
I think it might still work, just the card edge connector seems to have broke off when sliding it in the server or maybe servicing which may explain why it was in a such good condition from inside ??
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
I was also surprised it's so clean. It comes from a scrap yard. Maybe they broke the board off because they keep copper wires (or gold plated sections) separately.
@xenoxaos1
@xenoxaos1 3 ай бұрын
​@@DiodeGoneWildthese things are built like a tank. My guess is that it failed at one point and they broke off the connector to prevent it from getting back into the hot swap replacement bin as there are usually two of these in a single server.
@DuroLabs85
@DuroLabs85 3 ай бұрын
@@xenoxaos1 Yess, I always try to find these in the Local Market here where they have like retired server gear.
@Roman00744
@Roman00744 3 ай бұрын
I have 1 of those but for PC server so it has wires, it's a very good and stable 12V power supply, yes you can't play with the voltage but you can use buck\boost converters.
@Speeder84XL
@Speeder84XL 3 ай бұрын
Very interesting to see all the different designs of switching power supplies. Seemed a little odd to use a boost converter in the second stage before the transformer. The most logical would be to use a buck converter for that (especially given the already high voltage coming from the PFC stage). Given the power and voltages, currents are not very large either (because that could otherwise be a reason to design like this - increase the voltage to not have to handle as much current and be able to use thiner wires, get less ripple current in the capacitors and such things). But for something that is only intended to output a set voltage, the regulation range isn't an issue.
@ЯСуперСтар
@ЯСуперСтар 3 ай бұрын
Is it just me or the voice became somewhat worried/tired? Hope everything is okay.
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
I've caught some creature, maybe THAT creature again, but it went away in about 4 days.
@versedbridge4007
@versedbridge4007 3 ай бұрын
@diodegonewild that's niiiiiice
@dipubiswas8520
@dipubiswas8520 3 ай бұрын
I like your voice as well as the videos......
@bisnetodeportugues
@bisnetodeportugues 3 ай бұрын
Good job 👍... greetings from Brazil..🇧🇷
@oxullo
@oxullo 3 ай бұрын
I guess that the output mosfets are load switches, as these psus usually are installed in couples for redundancy and they're hot-swap
@andrewbowden1076
@andrewbowden1076 3 ай бұрын
Awesome video, Thanks for sharing! I wouldn't mind seeing you get your hands on a Hewlett Packard HSTNS-PL48-B, Specs are 100-120vac 7a/200-240vac 5a or 240vdc 4.5a In and 400vdc 2.4aMax out 550w or 960w depending on input volts. I plan to use it for charging batteries (solar setup). Unfortunately I have not been able to get it out of idle mode into standby mode as of yet.
@chaimasala3144
@chaimasala3144 Ай бұрын
I hope and wait to discuss the Nemic lambda II 650 power supply
@FerrybigGaming
@FerrybigGaming 3 ай бұрын
I have an old server ATX power supply laying around here that has the ability for 2 different power plugs, where either of them can be disconnected without it affecting the output. Would something like that be interesting for the channel?
@saarike
@saarike 3 ай бұрын
Simply nice!!! Thank you.
@tajtrlik1111
@tajtrlik1111 3 ай бұрын
Ďalšie skvelé video s reverse-engineeringom spínaného zdroja, paráda a mačička tiež vždy poteší 😀.
@fernandosanchez6507
@fernandosanchez6507 3 ай бұрын
damn the inside it's beautiful
@borisdg
@borisdg 3 ай бұрын
Flextronics (FLEX) are superb PSU manufacturer. Top 1 for me. Just will say they made the excellent Corsair AX1200/1600i PSU. They are also contracted for most Apple chargers.
@xenoxaos1
@xenoxaos1 3 ай бұрын
FYI... The PFC can be disabled via software in the server control system
@DuroLabs85
@DuroLabs85 3 ай бұрын
@@xenoxaos1 Ohh intresting, but why would they want to like disable the PFC ?
@xenoxaos1
@xenoxaos1 3 ай бұрын
@@DuroLabs85 less stress on the internal components... Less heat... And if your utility doesn't measure actual power and just measures current and voltage (not phased) then it would be cheaper to run
@DuroLabs85
@DuroLabs85 3 ай бұрын
@@xenoxaos1 Ohh that makes sense, Thank You :)
@longrunner258
@longrunner258 3 ай бұрын
Then how is the boost circuit driven (since it needs to still boost the voltage in this design)?
@janno288
@janno288 3 ай бұрын
My friend and I watched your Video and he suprised me when he showed me that he has the same power supply. I couldnt believe it. Great Video ad always! Please continue doing videos without tiktok garbage!
@BDYT1422
@BDYT1422 3 ай бұрын
500V electrolytic? That’s also something new!
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
Once I came across some giant 2200uF 500V capacitors, but otherwise just up to 450V.
@simontay4851
@simontay4851 3 ай бұрын
Wow, they must' have been absolutely enormous! You certainly wouldn't want to get a shock off them. Instant death!
@Paxmax
@Paxmax 3 ай бұрын
Wow! There seems to be alot of computing power to control this thing. Looks like it could be on par with a Beaglebone 😅
@lmwlmw4468
@lmwlmw4468 3 ай бұрын
Great work.
@TechnoEveryday
@TechnoEveryday 3 ай бұрын
Great as always 🎉🎉🎉
@jawadBOOM
@jawadBOOM 3 ай бұрын
ThanK you ❤❤
@trevoro.9731
@trevoro.9731 3 ай бұрын
The schematic is rather simple, the thing is not built to last, not zero voltage switching. I wonder if there are any alternatives with higher rating (titanium).
@jaakkolehto1487
@jaakkolehto1487 3 ай бұрын
Just managed to fix my PC that Windows updates messed up, and the first thing is a new video by DGW!
@frommarkham424
@frommarkham424 3 ай бұрын
Awesome device
@user-sz7mc3yd6c
@user-sz7mc3yd6c 3 ай бұрын
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@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 3 ай бұрын
But why not to use boost + buck converter then? After the buck state voltage will have less difference from the output, so efficiency will be higher due to lower conversion ratio. Or just use single SEPIC instead of boost+buck?
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
I was also wondering about this, but I guess a boost regulator is easier as it doesn't require a floating gate drive.
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 3 ай бұрын
@@DiodeGoneWild buck can be made without a high driver, it's just a matter what side to consider high ;) Switch nMOS from the ground, but place capacitor and half bridge converter on +Vdd
@mini_tamm
@mini_tamm 3 ай бұрын
Hey. What about making video about different SMPS designs in one video? And comparison of them? Would be longer video/series.
@ol3r
@ol3r 3 ай бұрын
It would be interesting to know , if there is a chance to modify this supply to 13.8V output. They produces harmonic free and RF clean output DC voltage suitable for powering radiostation etc. I have two pieces of 800W variant. They are working. How to start them is easy to find. But they give max 12.6V out.
@teslapavel
@teslapavel 3 ай бұрын
Někdo byl asi nakupovat na burze ve Frenštátě pod Radhoštěm :D Jinak pěkné video.
@collinsmwaura1833
@collinsmwaura1833 3 ай бұрын
Is there a possibility that it could be a resonant LLC converter topology after the PFC cicuit?
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
I think if it was resonant, it would regulate the output voltage by frequency modulation (tuning closer to or further from resonance), and thus it would NOT need the second boost stage as a regulator. I'd have to open the transformer - if the windigs were loosely coupled, there's still some chance it is resonant, but I doubt it.
@epmuoibon
@epmuoibon 3 ай бұрын
look like interleaved PFC
@ronaldbartiano3613
@ronaldbartiano3613 3 ай бұрын
Please next,pulse induction metal detector
@Chuckiele
@Chuckiele 3 ай бұрын
honestly I think they only removed the gold plated contacts. Id try turning it on :D
@MichaelShiferaw-ju2nf
@MichaelShiferaw-ju2nf 3 ай бұрын
Make drsstc plz
@AfraSanat
@AfraSanat 2 ай бұрын
That's a wied topology for a power supply. Where is the output? Is it broken?
@mrlux0716
@mrlux0716 3 ай бұрын
danyk a question, is it possible to calculate the temperature that a magnetic ballast of a fluorescent reaches in a situation of a stuck starter without doing it in practice, by the current in the circuit or by the mass of the ballast, I wanted to know the temperature that some of my ballasts would reach but without leaving them frying in practice
@LMB222
@LMB222 3 ай бұрын
You can't without knowing how/where they are mounted. This value is seen in components as "W/K", i.e. how many watts will be radiated before the case goes one kelvin (=1 °C) up.
@LMB222
@LMB222 3 ай бұрын
Power consumption of a ballast in a short circuit can be calculated only if you have the induction value of it (H).
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
They typically say the abnormal temperature rise. There tend to be 3 or 4 thermal numbers on them. The first one is the winding rated temperature (for 100 000h life), most often "tw130" (130°C). The second number is the normal temperature rise, typically something from 20 (in super low loss ballasts) to 80 (°C). Then it might say the capacitive temperature rise (in a capacitive branch with a series capacitor in a lead/lag compensated pair), which is slightly higher than the normal temperature rise due to harmonics. For example 35c. And finally, the last number is the abnormal temperature rise. It can be anything from 50 to lets say 175 degrees, which bakes it in case of a stuck starter :). But keep in mind, that the abnormal temperature rise is measured also at 110% of the input voltage, so in reality it's not that bad. Some example of a low loss inductor marking: tw130 / 30 / 35c / 75. Some example from a crappy standard loss one, with no capacitive branch rating: tw 130 / 60 / 175. (60 is the normal t rise, 175 is the abnormal)
@longrunner258
@longrunner258 3 ай бұрын
​@@DiodeGoneWild I'm a bit surprised the higher-loss ballasts aren't required to have a thermal cut‑out in case the starter remains stuck (let's face it, most stores just leave a few lights in that state indefinitely); then again, peeking at some of the IEC standards has me disillusioned with them in general (impedance‑protected motors are also allowed quite a lot of leeway) so I don't expect that much…
@a.lisnenko
@a.lisnenko 3 ай бұрын
Please power it and fix it if it can be fixed.
@johnshaw359
@johnshaw359 3 ай бұрын
Properly made PSU safe and cheap.
@filenotfound__3871
@filenotfound__3871 3 ай бұрын
Now try to get it to power on and test it! There was nothing on the part of the PCB that is broken, just connections
@jimis04
@jimis04 3 ай бұрын
The control circuitry looked more than a tv tcon...too packed and complicated. A psu you dont want to fail in your hands and have to repair with or without schematic, little difference would it make
@dxdxdxxd
@dxdxdxxd 3 ай бұрын
How can i donate some PSU for you? (Am from czech :) )
@SrWolf90
@SrWolf90 11 күн бұрын
Dell has disappointed me, putting CapXon capacitors in a server power supply is a crime.
@jaanbhanoojo1984
@jaanbhanoojo1984 3 ай бұрын
Sir can you please explain how to calculate numbers of truns of flyback transformer is there any simple calculation method
@AllLoudNation365
@AllLoudNation365 3 ай бұрын
I recently took apart a broken ps4 (PlayStation 4) and took out the power supply and the motherboard. Im gonna use them as decor.
@AugustineAriola
@AugustineAriola 3 ай бұрын
This PSU is complex and complicated. My level of electronics certainly is below this design.
@uncontrollabledogs3791
@uncontrollabledogs3791 3 ай бұрын
Holy sh@t! Too bloody complicated and too cramped in there.
@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 3 ай бұрын
Overengineered partial CRAP! I know there is a lot of safety stuff needed to not BLOW UP server MB, but really all of today's server PSU are INSANE!!!!!!!!!!! Just use some GaN's and a straight forward LLC or similar topology and you are done.
@DiodeGoneWild
@DiodeGoneWild 3 ай бұрын
Yes, the complexity of something that just produces two voltages, is totally crazy ;)
@TheTallGirl
@TheTallGirl 3 ай бұрын
That power supply is ancient. It is like saying, why they used vacuum tubes when you can just use transistors. There was no GaN's back then.
@stevenbliss989
@stevenbliss989 3 ай бұрын
@@TheTallGirl I was referring to today's server PSU's. I used to maintain Dell servers, and none of them used Gan's yet, being a ten year on design. One INSANE thing about servers, that sellers LIE and LIE about is how long they last. A server can easily last 50 years, with maybe one time PSU change over due to caps not making it, and hard drive change overs. Where I worked, and because newer server were not much faster, we planned to keep using them for another 5-8 years, but were forced to change them because the EVIL EVIL M$ made it impossible to stay software compatible.
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 3 ай бұрын
Boost converters have low efficiency, and have two of them is series and have >80% efficiency is interesting.
@Calandron1
@Calandron1 3 ай бұрын
Boost converters can have fantastic effeciencies. Even low voltage boost converters can beat 90%.
@Calandron1
@Calandron1 3 ай бұрын
Oh, and this is being used as a PFC Boost circuit. So typically input of (120-240v). At 240v I am 100% sure the boost stage is >97% effeciency. Talking 2.5 amps max to hit the power rating, this is a situation for a boost converter
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 3 ай бұрын
@@Calandron1 interesting. I think 90% is possible only with a very little voltage difference
@alexloktionoff6833
@alexloktionoff6833 3 ай бұрын
@@Calandron1 wow, in this PSU they use diodes, hard to believe in 97%
@TechGorilla1987
@TechGorilla1987 3 ай бұрын
So let's take a look at iiitttt...
@anandakrishnan9462
@anandakrishnan9462 3 ай бұрын
80 Plus Platinum 🫠 That Power supply might be bloody expensive 🤑🤑
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