4ms - DLD / Dual Looping Delay

Hands down one of the best modules I think I've ever touched. Seriously. Dual entirely independent delays (yes you can even lock the "ping" and use another clock for the other side). Everything is so well laid out and easy to get around changing behaviours and settings. Audio rate is killer, makes for an awesome tonal audio rate mangler for things like drums and vocals. Add a filter or two to the feedback path and you can add all the colour and character you wish. Delay feed with CV makes for easy patches where you'd usually put a VCA in the front of the input to fire accents and little dub delay trails off over CV. Clocks as you'd expect from 4ms like an absolute trooper, gives it's divisions / multiplications as gate outputs to feed the rest of a system. I'll stop banging on and just watch the video (and the other supporting "extras" videos linked below).
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[@RedMeansRecording]

just ordered one of these. excited.

[@liquidacoustics8329]

Great overview man. I can't stop singing this modules praises either as I'm sure all other proud owner's of the DLD are. It's definitely easier watching your video to figure out a module than it is to read a manual. Maybe I'm just too old, either way .... Great job man.

[@DivKid]

Thanks :) always nice to hear positive things. I prefer to watch videos and get ideas.

[@Pladdz12345]

So nice! Really digging these creative stereo modules and I'm always in search of them. Thanks DK!

[@DivKid]

Yeah me too, exploring the stereo space as well as all the other bonkers sonic territory modular allows for.

[@cryptout]

I'm rediscovering this great module with the help of this awesome video.

[@walrtbstudios5430]

Dammit, there are strong arguments to be made for having this, the Mimeophon AND the Echophon in the rack- they just do different things, brilliantly.

[@DivKid]

that's the problem with delays, they all do things differently enough and like a lot of people with filters - you end up with loads of them!

[@onceuponasynth]

Awesome demo/tutorial! I've had this module recommended to me many times now so I might just have to take the plunge and get it. It certainly sounds lovely in your vid.

[@DivKid]

It's stunning, I've said several times on camera that it's the best module I've ever used. "Best" is a loaded word that I don't like but it sort of gets the point across. It would go great as a stereo effect for looping and delay over your sample based set up.

[@RayMcNamaraMusic]

Holy bazookies. Is this the deepest delay ever made? It's got features I've never even conceived of before.

[@Nachtdwaler]

Holy shit, that's one powerful module.

[@DivKid]

absolutely stunning!

[@terrybailey2015]

Pretty high praise for a module, coming from you Ben! Thanks for the review and demo!

[@DivKid]

I think this is one of the best bits of gear I've ever touched. So impressed with it.

[@khaledadams4329]

This is the comment that made my mind up. Means a lot coming from you.

[@BlueWolfSe7en]

Really good vid on the DLD, top module, love mine! Hats off for incorporating a bit of Zappa :-)

[@DivKid]

Yeah thought some Zappa deserved a bit of time, that said was worried KZbin police would mark as copyright and pull it down. We'll see. I EQ'd pretty heavily to try and stop that happening.

[@ipassenger]

Brilliant demo and it is such a lovely clean delay sound.... damn, this is going to have to go on the shopping list.

[@DivKid]

it's a massive standout module for me.

[@sysexstudio]

Spectacular demo Ben. I must add this thing to my rack!

[@DivKid]

:D

[@orangewiggler6838]

Great sound on 17:40. And it even gets better with the sequence on top of it!

[@DivKid]

great! :) thanks

[@NedRush]

Mine's coming tomorrow. Looking forward to it. Great video.

[@DivKid]

A month on how are you getting on with it?

[@NedRush]

DivKidVideo ah. Well I've not had much time with Christmas and I've been ill with a virus last week so I've not had much time for patching. I'll be up and running soon and posting videos on my channel. I'll report back then. ;)

[@NedRush]

Having a play now. Trying to wrap my head around entering the system settings to change the delay feed cv jack to control the mix on B, but not having a huge amount of luck. Until then, currently settling on using A as a master send delay, then running it into B as a HOLD beat repeater master delay looper thing as the end of the chain. Its cool.

[@NedRush]

Ok. Got the delay feed to mix cv working. Happy days.

[@jasevaughan7829]

Thanks for this Ben. Shed night tomorrow, gonna give that sound on sound a go

[@DivKid]

Nice one! How did you get on?

[@Landman_sounds]

Holy moly the stereo image I’m getting through my phone speakers!!

[@DivKid]

the idea of stereo image on a phone at first seemed a joke but with speakers at the opposite ends of them you can definitely hear the width on things like this.

[@Landman_sounds]

@@DivKid yea no joke here. I know its not the ideal format for stereo but it comes through real well in landscape!

[@mylespotters]

Damn, I have this one and there's loads in here to try! Thanks for this.

[@DivKid]

great stuff! Hope it's brought on some fun patching.

[@NicWolf]

Wow thanks! I've been using this pretty much exclusively as an end-of-chain effect. I knew I could get more out of it, but wasn't really sure of the context. You're giving me a lot of homework on this one ;)

[@DivKid]

Nice one! Hope you've had some fun playing around with it.

[@saturnine1979]

gorgeous Rings patch! great video :)

[@DivKid]

Yeah the melodic stuff with it is awesome! Did more of that in the DLD and SMR video from a few days ago.

[@salsoulkid]

Bang on fela. I've had this a few months, and basically every thing I do runs through Clouds and this! You've showed me some new tricks though ;-)

[@DivKid]

Love how clean the DLD is. Makes for a great processor for acoustic instruments and software too.

[@Matkins85]

"Almost like hitting a bit of drain pipe". Love it.

[@DivKid]

well ... it is :)

[@TerekkiTerekki]

Great demo Ben

[@DivKid]

Cheers Derek.

[@killahkay2112]

yea i have to agree with you on this one . It's Amazing .

[@DivKid]

really great delay :)

[@precarious333]

Really nice.

[@DivKid]

thanks

[@jacco1967]

Great module and thnx for the good demo

[@DivKid]

cheers Jacco

[@jacco1967]

DivKidVideo got in my rack but didn't give it much time yet.

[@acdnrg]

A full :zoviet*france: performance in 20 hp innit. And it took me only 5 years to get one :D Can´t wait what this will do for a techno rumble BD application. Need more time to play. Thanks Ben!

[@solaryzer]

After mentioned on sonictalk 499 came for a look ,, ya brill bit of gear ,, sounds fab .

[@DivKid]

Nice one Sean appreciate you coming over to check out my videos too.

[@eiermann1952]

i will hock it up to pamela´s new workout, might be fun.

[@olexpono]

The Borg sequence really sounds like Anti War Dub by Digital Mysticz, classic dubstep.

[@DivKid]

Don't know that one I'll check it out.

[@mynewcolour]

It was on Hyperdub I think. Total classic. Nice module but also really nice sequences too :)

[@brandonhill688]

@@mynewcolour it was released on DMZ w. HAUNTED on the B-Side - Digital Mystikz own imprint! Rare 12" and a CLASSIC indeed!! Also used in CHILDREN OF MEN - fun fact! Hails!

[@digby474]

wonderfully helpful video.. thankyou :)

[@mixolydian2010]

very cool cheers

[@DivKid]

thanks

[@no-crumpetition]

17:53 the past inside the present...

[@DivKid]

yeah it's lovely bringing these things back round in the looper.

[@morismateljan6458]

This one truly goes to eleven.

[@DivKid]

Run some content in D minor into it and it'll be the saddest of all the delays too! :)

[@MichaelDowComposer]

absolute Mach piece. I'd lick it's love pump

[@GeorgeLocke]

It's very unimportant to remember that the "Karplus-Strong" method has a filter in the feedback loop. So, like, without the filter, it's kind of illegal and definitely going to cost you a lot of money.

[@DivKid]

unimportant, illegal and costly! Noted :D

[@respondermusic2543]

nice!

[@DivKid]

:)

[@MadelnMachines]

Another beautiful timeless riff. What names do you produce under? You create some amazing riffs. A delay you can play in musical scales? I've never heard of such a thing. Nice trick! What are your favourite delays?

[@DivKid]

There's music under my real name around, most of it privately in libraries and things outside of what I do here. I'll have some more music to release publicly as DivKid though in the future. Favourite delays ... long list, too many to name really. Hardware, software, modules. There's a lot of good stuff around.

[@jonathangrover3176]

Thanks so much for this! I'm just cracking to the wide world of modular synthesis and your channel has been super helpful. One thing I'd really appreciate your insight on - what's your output chain in this video? Are you going straight out from a mixer/VCA into your interface, or do you use an output module? Thanks again :)

[@DivKid]

Hi Jonathan not sure exactly what this was as the video is from some time back. But for convenience I use the Praxis (Sure I did back when I filmed this too) Snake Charmer which is an 8 output balanced line driver output onto DB25 snake. I then have a snake cable taking the DB25 from the modular side to 8 XLRs on my interface. I've shown off a couple of nice Vermona outputs on my channel TwinOut - kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2mcgWpqm76NqM0 and the TAI-4 - kzbin.info/www/bejne/p2jKood6p6ejhKc . You don't need to use an output module at all you can come out of the last module in the chain into your other gear. Just be aware eurorack levels are typical 10x hotter than line level. So you might clip things, but your gear might have the headroom to take it and be fine. But they're convenient often dealing with level control, getting signals onto the right cables, sometimes with headphone amps/drivers and outputs too.

[@jonathangrover3176]

Thank you kindly, I appreciate the thorough and informative reply!

[@DivKid]

no worries at all.

[@deanivan3951]

Great video, can this be used as a standalone unit to say play audio samples from my sp404 through it to make unique loops?

[@DivKid]

Hi Dean, if you can get a good high level out of the external gear then it could be used on it's own. You need a case and power for it though.

[@deanivan3951]

@@DivKid Thanks For the Reply 👍

[@DivKid]

No worries, I try to respond to as much as I can. If you're not getting good results straight out of the SP, then a stereo input module would be what you need. There's a website called Modular Grid which is a huge module database with the facility of building up virtual cases and layouts. You can check on there under the modules section and search by functions etc. Might be helpful when looking at what's out there. www.modulargrid.net

[@kevindowney6403]

Nice video Ben as always. Sorry for the noob question but can you share how you got that bass sound at the beginning please? Cheers!

[@DivKid]

Bass sound at the beginning was Mutable Instruments Tides. I sequenced it with the Audio Damage Sequencer 1 and use the stepped random modulation mode on the extra 3 CV outputs on the Sequencer 1 to modules wave shape, wave skew and folder/filter on Tides. Never a question too "noobie" so fire away anytime :)

[@davemaier8350]

Very nice, thanks! One question about windowing: you were holding down the hold button and turning the feedback knob; but if you were to do that with CV, would you send a gate into the hold CV rather than a trigger (to mimic holding the button down rather than simply pressing and releasing for a toggle)? Or would you have to hold it down manually?

[@DivKid]

Hi Dave, I'd have to check the manual and try that out again. I haven't found myself using that in current jamming/projects between videos. I don't think you have to hold it down manually. If you ask 4ms directly (email, Facebook, twitter etc) I'm sure they'll answer anything that I can't directly. Just looked at the manual and here is your answer ... "Using CV with Windowing The Feedback CV jack also allows you to window using external CV control. To enable the CV jack, you must first manually hold down Infinite Hold and turn Feedback, even just a small amount. The Feedback CV jack will now control the window. If you turn the Feedback knob at any time without holding down Infinite Hold, the Feedback CV jack will no longer control the window."

[@davemaier8350]

Thanks Ben!

[@Flec8]

Did you find an answer to this?

[@NedRush]

Ive just noticed there appears to be no cv for the dry wet mix. Did this have you running into any issues when patching?

[@NedRush]

When I say issues, I mean would you have preferred to have it there, doesn't seem like theres anyway to momentarily bring in the full mix other than with the dials.

[@DivKid]

Hey Ned, no issue at all for me with no DRY/WET CV input. I use the Delay Feed CV to bring in the delay when I want.

[@NedRush]

DivKidVideo that's cool. I thought I'd be able to cv the dry/wet and delay feed together to create a full wet beat repeat type thing, though it's not immediately possible, a skim through the manual reveals that in the system settings you can set the delay feed cv in to also control the dry wet as well! So happy days all round. (Haven't tied it yet though)

[@DivKid]

oh cool, I haven't tried that yet.

[@simonpeck]

there's no need for it. use the delay feed CV instead. get to know the module to see what i mean

[@soundofruins0sor861]

Great ! Are you gonna make a vid for "Knob"? Cheers

[@DivKid]

Knobs has a video by me on the Future Music magazine channel. I add them to this playlist on my channel (but I don't think you'll get notified). kzbin.info/aero/PLIWGcb0CxSCGclDKjJp9JGRY3eOL2a-Fg

[@micyclebicycle]

great vocal loop lol

[@Utilisateur.2]

Hi, at 4:32, if it 2 different Rings modules in each delay entry? If Left and Right is from the same Rings, how did you sent notes left and right and split the signal? Thank you for your videos, very helpful

[@GeorgeLocke]

Rings has limited polyphony. If you set it to two voice poly and connect both outputs, alternating triggers go to alternating outputs.

[@tapastro]

Noticed the Keychain in this video, and tried to find it on the web. It seems to have never made it to production - anyone know what became of it?

[@dr.feelicks2051]

There was a delay in my acquisition of this delay in my.....

[@barlobarlo303]

Frank Zappa vs Robert Novack through a DLD - my guess only Zappa would find it appealing!

[@DivKid]

Possibly audience limited content ... but this is a modular demo, it's already audience limiting with it's niche in niche vibe.

[@barlobarlo303]

Novack was a stogy character who thought that only music made in the 18th century was music. Zappa on the other hand did amazing work in many genres. He did an electronic album "Jazz from Hell" that was done entirely on the synclavier. If he had had a DLD in those days I'm sure he would have used it on that album with great finesse after watching this video on what can be done with the DLD. Thanks for the video. Now I've got to get one!

[@jsogman]

@5:27: gorgeous

[@DivKid]

thank you

[@piotr803]

DivKidVideo beautiful. Remember which module created the sound?

[@svnlto]

And I thought only mine has the click sound on hold. Are there ways around that?

[@DivKid]

don't think so, maybe a firmware up to make a quick and subtle crossfade with it on and off. But if you loop/freeze audio at a non zero crossing point you'll get a click either way.

[@svnlto]

Just did a firmware update before commenting. May have to just play around with it.

[@DivKid]

I just meant (typo in there too sorry) that a firmware update might be able to fix it ... if they make new firmware.

[@kevinseidel1575]

Hey Ben, Awesome video as usual with any of your demo vids! Have you tried pinging your DLD with the Ultra Random Analog clock out? I've tried with mine to no avail, also the EOS output on my Phonogene and a square wave from a Batumi, both also not working.The ping pushbutton works however as do all the clock outs on the DLD. I'm thinking there's something else afoot!

[@DivKid]

Hey Kevin, I'm sure at one point in this video it was the URA clock output. If not I've definitely done that loads, so I'd say something was wrong. Contact 4ms :)

[@kevinseidel1575]

Thank you sir! I've contacted the guy I got it in trade from (works at Darkplace) so I've already got another on its way to me :)

[@DivKid]

perfect!

[@filo1210]

Really great video , making me want to buy one . I’m also looking at Strymon Magneto , how do the two compare ?

[@GeorgeLocke]

The magneto is all about the character whereas the DLD is more about the modulation.

[@PandaPotPies]

@@GeorgeLocke this

[@richardkeys6680]

DivKid, is it easy enough to sync the town delay lines so it can function as a basic stereo delay? I just saw someone on a forum complaining about having difficulties doing this, although it seems it would be part of the modules basic functionality. Thanks for your hard work!

[@housemachine509]

So no trigger record or playback? If not what other delay module can do this? Figured it was standard

[@roboslobonator]

Sounds like you may be leaning more towards samplers/granular. 4ms Stereo Triggered Sampler, Morphagene, Lubadh, Arbhar, Assimil8or.

[@DesertFishHQ]

nice one! where do you get those glowing patch cables?

[@DivKid]

with the LEDs in the jacks? They're from here (although I don't think they're available anymore) - actually I can't find the link. Site must have been taken down.

[@vampiresforesl]

"and little dub delay trails off over CV." What does this mean?

[@DivKid]

give me a timestamp (i.e. 3:12) for that part and I'll go listen and go through it.

[@banyek314]

you dubbed it out with the borg man O/

[@DivKid]

yeah they pair up really nicely!

[@calderwood9641]

This or Magneto?

[@eroslivieratos272]

I'd go with this. I'm selling my Magneto and Mimeophon and grabbing one.

[@arpmoog]

IMHO, you need all you can afford. They are the colors of your artist’s palette. The Spice must flow!

[@tiltedstudio]

16:15 Chortle...

[@DivKid]

"knobs"?

[@tiltedstudio]

"I'm fully wet..." - Thoroughly Juvenile.

[@DivKid]

:) haha hope whatever led to that was worth it!

[@tiltedstudio]

Sleep deprivation - almost always worth it!

[@wackenthaljef]

Waoow!...Thats a double delay with reverse...thats it Kid?..I try to do it with my Bigsky and DD20, but its not exactly the same..:( ahah!

[@DivKid]

CV over the parameters here is the real key to how good it is. Fantastic module! Hybrid looper/delay that steps between both of those functions perfectly.

[@Llouwelyne]

possible to use DLD as gate/rec or looper for TRIG/GATE pease?

[@DivKid]

I haven't tried running CV / gate/ trigger through it so I don't know. That certainly wasn't the intention of the product. Check the manual to see if the inputs are AC / DC coupled.

[@swamplifecontrol]

No cv on the mix.

[@DivKid]

There isn't but there is on delay feed, so CV over input level can give the affect of CV over mix.