4th Ecumenical Council: The Council Of Chalcedon of 451 A.D.

[@5MinuteCatholicApologetics]

As always thank you for sharing and doing multiple comments. If there is anything I missed about Chalcedon please post below.

[@dmitirikolyma441]

I love these deep dives into pivotal moments in church history. I knew about these ecumenical councils but didn't know what they discussed at all. Never knew so much had to do w/ christology.

[@TeamistressTX]

me too

[@thecopticmonk9423]

I didn't now either

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

there are great YT episodes on all church councils. check them out

[@antonmansten826]

yes, mostly about this

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

i love them too. new to it

[@caseyl2022]

You're so knowledgeable.

[@TeamistressTX]

he is

[@thecopticmonk9423]

we can all be this so, by reading on the faith

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

there are great YT episodes on all the church councils. honestly the council of trent and V1 and V2 are the most important

[@antonmansten826]

He seems to be a good man

[@antonmansten826]

alas, this is when our leadership was strong and would denounce instead of embrace heresy. Memo to Francis!

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

our leadership is wretched

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

that era isn't coming back unless it is attacking the trads

[@hhsquizbowl]

let's see what he does w/ German bishop announcement this week about female dacons and married priest

[@maxhelvetius544]

there is no such thing as a heresy now.

[@pammedd5931]

francis doesn't care

[@thecopticmonk9423]

Good morning from Africa! Long live the church!

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

good morning!

[@antonmansten826]

Long live it!

[@penelopebrown4083]

africa...wow!

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

thanks for doing this series. I will watch the earlier ones.

[@antonmansten826]

they are great. watch jersulem council too

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

do it! lol

[@hhsquizbowl]

nicaea is important

[@nataliabancroft8464]

great idea!

[@penelopebrown4083]

any serious lover of greg has watched all the videos

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

I think one of the reasons why there were more eastern bishops aside from proximity was that there were more bishoprics in the east than in the West. imagine how many bishops were in Gaul at this time compared to Asia Minor. Maybe a fraction

[@antonmansten826]

true. good point!

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

good point

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

but even then the sessions were short. one year.

[@hhsquizbowl]

good point

[@maxhelvetius544]

good point

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

monophytism like a lot of these earlier heresies are hard for the common Christian to grasp. I'm glad this was figured out before we came around. these bishops just seemed smarter than us

[@antonmansten826]

lol i feel same way

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

so true!

[@hhsquizbowl]

no internet made it easier

[@maxhelvetius544]

i don't really get any of the early ones

[@pammedd5931]

it is a ll greek to me. lol these councils were done in greek language I imagine

[@thecopticmonk9423]

quite beautiful! In Africa here we don't learn too much about church history from early church so I like learning about early christianity before orthodox and catholics fell into permanent disagreement

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

i learned some of this stuff in jesuit school

[@antonmansten826]

it really starts in 9th century when Rome left the protection of byzantium for the Charlemagne

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

like someone else said, mostly political reasons drove that and cultural

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

we talked about that in another thread. how do you teach catholics this stuff

[@hhsquizbowl]

you are closer to the coptics geographically

[@maxhelvetius544]

I just love the efficiency of these early councils. Identify the problem, get all the bishops to meet up, have the one unified teaching protected by the holy spirit, denounce the heresy and move on. all of this seems so foreign now in the world of indifferentism

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

now it is drawn out, vague, and there are no heretics. this is the evil of modernism

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

i can't imagine any new council convened today. the horror!

[@pammedd5931]

me too

[@nataliabancroft8464]

that's true!

[@penelopebrown4083]

yep!

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

I know nothing about any of this. like I mention in all your history videos, but that being said, I appreciate it! 🥰

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

well learn it! lol

[@hhsquizbowl]

never too late to learn

[@maxhelvetius544]

greg groupie!

[@pammedd5931]

he's the best

[@penelopebrown4083]

I am so ignorant on all of this

[@sedevecantististhetruth9578]

The key is teaching Catholics and really all Christians early church history. What is the most effective way to do that? Now we have the Internet but that’s only for those who are interested in learning. How do we get to the common Catholic

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

great question. most are too lazy like me to learn this or go to a parsih

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

i would love this resource

[@hhsquizbowl]

must be done in parish level

[@maxhelvetius544]

parish level and pushed hard by pastor

[@pammedd5931]

i don't think ost care enough to seek it out

[@nataliabancroft8464]

Also, it is known as a "clean up" of Ephesus like you said.

[@antonmansten826]

Great ep! I had no idea that this is when the coptics left the church. I do know that there canon is larger than ours in the bible. so they left mostly out of christology

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

didn't know that

[@maxhelvetius544]

it is?

[@pammedd5931]

i don't know any of this

[@nataliabancroft8464]

they be gone!

[@TeamistressTX]

I do know about pope Leo the great! I love when the papacy uses its Jesus given-right to lead holy mother church. You see what happens when a church leaves the papacy: chaos.

[@thecopticmonk9423]

absolutely true. this is not what christ wanted. he foresaw it since he is all-knowing but still...

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

you definitely see a stronger emergence of papal power as the centuries go along. in the beginning it was more muted for a variety of reasons, mostly political but other reasons

[@antonmansten826]

all the denominations! all wrong!

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

that is what the devil wants

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

the last 1,000 years have borne that out

[@goeffreylundun8113]

Pope Leo is a legend

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

there is a reason he is a saint!

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

don't know

[@hhsquizbowl]

they don't make him like that anymore

[@maxhelvetius544]

understatement

[@pammedd5931]

don't know anything about him

[@antonmansten826]

I think of this time in christian history in retrospect as a time of unity before the great breaks in 11th century and the 4th crusades. but there were many heresies that needed to be addressed even back then.

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

I'm learning that now

[@hhsquizbowl]

always heresies, especially 20th century and now

[@pammedd5931]

i don't know any of this

[@nataliabancroft8464]

what i remember about chalcedon or what it is known for is that it was the dominance of Leo in it. He wasn't there but it was the first undisputed the Pope is the leader and his will is forcefully enforced.

[@maxhelvetius544]

exactly. this is one of hte reasons why the coptics left. they felt leo was wrong and left

[@pammedd5931]

cool!

[@penelopebrown4083]

I am so ignorant on all of this

[@hhsquizbowl]

great truth to that

[@5MinuteCatholicApologetics]

I did forget to mention that. it was certainly the 1st time the bishop of Rome truly utilized his role as the vicar of christ. he always held it for sure going back to Matt 16

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

you definitely see a stronger emergence of papal power as the centuries go along. in the beginning it was more muted for a variety of reasons, mostly political

[@antonmansten826]

like the mustard see, it took time plus Byzantine had all the political power at this time and used it against rome

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

like a fine wine...it takes time

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

yes

[@maxhelvetius544]

lots of reasons

[@pammedd5931]

surprised he hasn't done a vid on orthodoxy

[@hhsquizbowl]

#popestleoprayforus

[@thecopticmonk9423]

amen!

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

amen!

[@antonmansten826]

amen!

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

amen!

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

amen!

[@goeffreylundun8113]

Just like how Americans are required to learn the history of our country, so two should all Christians learn the history of their faith. But this is not done in religious education at all

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

there is not time in sunday school. they could make it in adult inquiry. It is so hard now

[@antonmansten826]

how would they do it?

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

i would love it

[@hhsquizbowl]

but how?

[@maxhelvetius544]

parish level

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

Oh, the good ole days before the Great Schism. lol

[@antonmansten826]

Right!

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

did we ever have these good old days?

[@hhsquizbowl]

the fault lines were there

[@pammedd5931]

when cristendom was one unified area

[@hhsquizbowl]

#learnhistoryoffaith

[@TeamistressTX]

absolutely!

[@thecopticmonk9423]

absolutely!

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

it is a requirement

[@antonmansten826]

amen!

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

yes we should

[@maxhelvetius544]

i like you just read the catholic encyclopedia. I used to have a hard copy.

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

we have an old one

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

new advent?

[@pammedd5931]

we did as well. my grand dad

[@hhsquizbowl]

i had one as kid

[@sedevecantististhetruth9578]

The other thing I noticed about these early councils thanks to Greg is that most of these counts as we’re done over two months. That’s it. It wasn’t like Vatican Council 2 or council of Trent took several years

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

that is too

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

good point

[@hhsquizbowl]

great point. less transportation but done shorter

[@maxhelvetius544]

there won't be a time where it will be short

[@pammedd5931]

good point

[@TeamistressTX]

I know nothing of this history. I feel bad.

[@thecopticmonk9423]

me neither

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

you can learn it now!

[@antonmansten826]

don't feel bad. just do something about it

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

me too

[@hhsquizbowl]

feel bad lol

[@pammedd5931]

so greg, are you gonna do all the councils? like you did on New Testament?

[@maxhelvetius544]

i imagine so

[@nataliabancroft8464]

i imagine so

[@penelopebrown4083]

yes, he made that announcement

[@hhsquizbowl]

yes he mentions it in his intro vid

[@5MinuteCatholicApologetics]

that is plan. it will take a long time

[@sapenelopelarsipan2915]

I really like the responsiveness of this council. It only met 30 years after emphasis. To clear up some misconceptions about that council. I wish we would've done the same with Vatican Council 2. But I worry about Vatican Council 2 I mean Vatican Council three would probably bring it even more liberal stuff

[@5MinuteCatholicApologetics]

no doubt

[@penelopebrown4083]

Hey Babe, (don't care about your "girl") thanks for another history lesson. You are the sweetest bald man I know. 😍

[@nataliabancroft8464]

you are funny. don't think the courtship will work out

[@pammedd5931]

always the flirt!

[@hhsquizbowl]

oh boy

[@5MinuteCatholicApologetics]

you are kind

[@mariacelesteacosta1500]

So coptics are not a catholic rite?

[@cristobalcacereslonga8143]

nope

[@hhsquizbowl]

no they are orthodox oriental

[@maxhelvetius544]

no

[@pammedd5931]

i don't think so

[@nataliabancroft8464]

no

[@pammedd5931]

I can't relate to this and any time of history. emperors, strong papal leadership and alike

[@maxhelvetius544]

certainly papal leadership I can't relate to

[@nataliabancroft8464]

amen!

[@hhsquizbowl]

we have no strong males in general

[@Mike65809]

Chalcedon had it wrong by maintaining that Christ had two natures. BUT he said he did his miracle by the Father dwelling in him. It was not his own power. He was given the Holy Spirit without measure. Right? All he said and did came from the Father. So where did the two natures idea come from?

[@5MinuteCatholicApologetics]

I'm not going to state that a ecumenical council had it wrong. LOL

[@Mike65809]

@@5MinuteCatholicApologetics I wouldn't laugh too hard if I were you.

[@dmitirikolyma441]

It is weird for me to be posting so early and so ahead of others

[@TeamistressTX]

lol

[@thecopticmonk9423]

me too! I come in and do it at night

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

mix it up!

[@antonmansten826]

you post later in day?

[@hhsquizbowl]

#earlychurchwascatholic

[@thecopticmonk9423]

yes!

[@alonzodejalisco1440]

yes it was!

[@antonmansten826]

is there a question?

[@maxhelvetius544]

duh...

[@pammedd5931]

yes!

[@peppersauceempire4646]

Coptics believe in miaphytism not monophytism