The First Council of Constantinople - and why Jesus would have wept.

[@slacker2747]

I feel after late Dr. Sheik Ahmad Deedat, you are the next person who has the best knowledge on the history of Christianity. Thank you sir! May God preserve your works and bless you with good health and long life. Ameen.

[@mohammadchowdhury3509]

Book: MisGoded by Laurence B Brown shows that Mr Brown did a great work on this subject too.

[@goidogoi]

Dude... expand your scope. Paul Williams is not the only one. Filip Holms (Let's Talk Religion Channel) Dr. Bart D Erhmaan Ali Ataie The Muslim Metaphysician (forgot his name) Dr. Jonathan Brown Hamza Yuwsuf Yusha Evans 'Dr. 'Umar Al-Farooq Abdullaah And the list goes on.

[@alhassangangu4357]

@@mohammadchowdhury3509 yes brother. I have both Goded and mis-Goded.

[@alhassangangu4357]

@@goidogoi Shaykh Hamza Yusuf, Abdullah Umar Farroq, Brother Evans and so many do not go into historicity of Christianity like Dr. Erhmaan and Paul

[@goidogoi]

@@alhassangangu4357 They know a whole lot, but its not a topic they concentrate and dotted on. Especially tbe likes of Hamza Yuwsuf who came from Christian backgrounds. Sunni scholars usually must master history on multiple subjects as part of their tradition to know where an idea or concept originated from. The point is, widen your scope beyond one person mate.

[@tjoey2112]

Now i realize why bid’ah or inovation in Islam soo a big no no is. Thank u sir

[@rwy12]

what has bidda got to do with this, Paul is speaking on Kuffir. ??

[@tjoey2112]

@@rwy12 , try to figure it yourself, can u ?

[@abihah1663]

@@tjoey2112 😆 🤣

[@cili_padi]

Shall we stop the second azan during Friday prayers?

[@tjoey2112]

@@cili_padi , please remember, second adzaan was done by Uthman ibn Affan RA which is one of the 4 righteous khulafa of Rasulillah. So is not an invention. Please read the actual hadith accordingly

[@AbdurahiimRoberts]

Oh wow, that is almost exactly what I used to say in church when I was Catholic...

[@GamelanSinarSurya]

It sounded very familiar to me too. I was raised in the Episcopal church (the American version of the Anglican church in England with which Paul would have been very familiar with), whose liturgy was patterned on a Catholic model.

[@mormonguru5984]

The Nicene creed went through edits in 321 AD the word constansable and 380 AD, the Holy Spirit was added to the Trinity as another member of the God Head. As Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, we believe that these three are one in purpose and that only The Father is worshipped.

[@mormonguru5984]

@Notreallyhereanymore You could call it a form of Arianism. Arius taught that Jesus was a subordinate God to Heavenly Father. Former LDS Church President Lorenzo Snow taught that “As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may become.” So by that definition yes. Latter Day Saints are Arians.

[@Topagendadolla]

@@mormonguru5984yall also believe satan is the Jesus brother. Islam and Mormonism is the same

[@Topagendadolla]

So left catholic to worship a man who likes little girls?

[@DawahTrucker2024]

Beautifully explained brother Paul, excellent work salaam alaikum

[@damosoo4528]

We need a short yimeline chart showing the progression of Chrtianity's deviation away from its original outset... Can you make such a thing Paul that we might try to popularize? It would be very strong since it would be both scientific and historical

[@sutil5078]

ah you meant timeline, i googled the word I was still sleepy.. I thought it is a chart type ..but google said "did you mean timeline" Yes it is great idea, these type of chart put things clear and give global view of the subject.

[@abuammar2199]

Well said and summed up Paul. May God put you on His straight path

[@khaderlander2429]

You are doing great work Paul knowledge is power. We are living in incredible times.

[@BloggingTheology]

thanks!

[@topcruise9756]

You are right brother.

[@stevemohammed5401]

I agree with the author that “ the Holy Spirit is not God and Jesus is not God .” Christains Take heed.

[@topcruise9756]

Hi Steve good comments brother.

[@saeed319]

Loving the videos. These have been a long time coming. Thank you

[@BloggingTheology]

Thanks - yes you are right! Better late than never I guess.

[@sherifel-hadi3439]

These councils are really interesting. I only had an idea about the first two. Looking forward to Chalcedon and the others.

[@i.o910]

@@albertnehmat7093 you’re blabbing nonsense

[@abduljaliladamu8610]

Me too

[@joeyblack986]

May Allah bless you brother Paul for ALWAYS speaking the TRUTH & explaining the message logically 🙏🏻

[@BONZITORONTO]

Hi Paul. May Allah grants you a healthy body and a long life to be able to guide and preach more and more people to the right path (SERAT AL-MUSTAGHIM). Witnessing a wise man like you to convert to Islam makes me a proud Muslim and makes me stronger in my faith.

[@IM-sk4wj]

Thank you for this.

[@BloggingTheology]

My pleasure!

[@riazahmed7208]

Thanks!

[@BloggingTheology]

Many thanks!

[@cymoonazics4940]

Thank you Paul for your tiredless effort to explore numerous key literature of Christianity and condense the knowledge to educate normal subscribers.

[@ishakkyusuf8784]

Something i did not know Paul. I really thought there was only one major council which was in year 325 - So is it true to say the trinity belief has evolved over the years. (Thanks for the info)

[@ahmedelbdour1554]

Great episode..loved it

[@damosoo4528]

Surprising: I find mutation to be so appropriate in describing what Christianity sufferred across the years... Well expressed Paul

[@SuperOpenminded]

Dear brother. Those we who disagreed with the councils of nicest and constantinople were either killed or ran away. And Arabia and now Yemen was a safe haven for them till Islam came and most of them accepted islam. Like the christians of najran in Yemen. Who were called Nasarah or Nazarene.

[@islamforall437]

it's amazing how you easily destroy the efforts of Dr James White. You make just one video and it abolishes every KZbin argument of James White. 🙆🏾‍♀️ May ALLAH reward you for standing firm for the truth.

[@alhassangangu4357]

Any person with a God-given intellect, after listening to brother Paul should reconsider his/her Christian belief as brother Paul did. May Allah bless and guide you. We know you are no longer a Christian, but your aqeedah is in line with Islamic aqeedah. Please make the next step.

[@karenkazjefreys2913]

thank you, you are so good at explaining what was so overly complicated

[@utedost3091]

Very informative indeed

[@VigilanteMian]

Brother Paul has done so much research that I don't have to. I can just watch his videos. 😀 Yes, the Council of Constantinople added one more bidah.

[@topcruise9756]

very good comments brother.

[@ddd7864]

I need to meet this man at some point of my life

[@mumtazzafar1576]

Again very thought provoking effort. God bless you

[@yasshahzad635]

Love this channel

[@aq7705]

When you have time, you should organise a zoom conversation with guests.

[@BloggingTheology]

interesting idea. What would be the purpose?

[@unklemunky8992]

Blogging Theology I think general debate and the hundreds of people who want to know more about the fact you appear to be a crazed theological bibliophile living in an amazing type of book-bunker. 😉 You could maybe select a subject of interest and see if we can get a lively discussion going. Just discovered the channel btw & absolutely love it thus far. Really interesting stuff.

[@BloggingTheology]

@@unklemunky8992 "a crazed theological bibliophile living in an amazing type of book-bunker." yep thats me! 🤪

[@JerusnamWien85]

@@BloggingTheology I think a better idea would be to contact scholars who would like to be featured on your vlog and have a lively discussion about theological issues. I have only recently discovered your channel and I'm delighted by the way you tackle theological issues and paradoxes.

[@BloggingTheology]

@@JerusnamWien85 thanks!

[@FreddyBNL]

Very, very well explained and worded. Chapeau.

[@azizurrehmanbaig8030]

Has Mary, the mother of Jesus, also been recently added to the deity's list by the Catholics? I asked this question to a Catholic in Pakistan & replied it in affirmative. What is the actual situation?

[@godtheonlyguide]

Assalamualaikum brother, thank you for your wise videos. I just wanted to tell you about some ads that are annoying specially when you are calling people to the truth and the ads calling people to christianity. I like watching the ads in the intention of helping your daawah but I think if you can chose the kind of ads they will put then it will be a good idea. Also sometimes there is too many ads and it's annoying really.

[@sams3046]

“Jesus answered: Amen, amen, I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.” John 3:5

[@NasirAhmedApu]

Truly informative videos by Blogging Theology. Trustworthy.

[@kaheralsebaya4376]

May Allah bless you and keep you on the straight path.

[@YusufClack]

Incredible Paul. May Allah reward you

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

The Son and Spirit are both mentioned in the OT. The Jews also believed there were two powers in heaven, both referred to as Jehovah, or His angel, as the case would have it.

[@jlouis4407]

““I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed.” Daniel 7:13-14

[@karimb972]

No, they don't and never did. Except for a few Jewish heretics that wandered off monotheism, Jews are pure monotheism. That's why it's forbidden for them to set foot in a church yet permissible to enter a mosque.

[@Catholic-Perennialist]

@@karimb972 How do they explain anthropomorphic theophanies in scripture?

[@omaralyafai2368]

Great video Paul as to be expected. Can you give some recommendations for some books to read on this subject. I have adolf von harmacks book and J.N.D Kelly's early church doctrines and early church dogmas. But I don't know what else. I was thinking on the book book "church history in plain language" might pick up some Oxford histories as well on this subject. Your input would be highly appreciated if you had any 😊😊😊

[@BloggingTheology]

J.N.D Kelly is excellent. This also is universally recommended: www.amazon.co.uk/Penguin-History-Church-vol-1-Early/dp/0140231994

[@tacom0nsta658]

Do you have good book recommendations on Arius/arians. Are they related or did they live at the same time as the Ebionites? why are they special, when did they completely disappear?

[@aimanshaikh1564]

Jazakllah sir fo previous info

[@aimanshaikh1564]

It's precious

[@mikehutton3937]

A very selective view of the council. What you have left out is the prior years of chaos, where successive Arian emperors (and councils) deposed, exiled, and persecuted both Athanasius and his supporters. There is also the precarious nature of the council, set as it was held in the middle of Arian territory. Unlike Nicaea. where Constantine just wanted unity, at Constantinople there was (finally) an emperor who wanted to re-assert the findings of the Nicene council and set the record straight. Finally, the full integration of the Holy Spirit into the creed was by now inevitable as it had been present in the Divine Triad formula since the earliest church, and since Apollinarianism was to be condemned as a heresy borne of hellenistic dualism, it made sense for Macedonianism (if you like the "Holy Spirit" version of Arianism) to be dealt with for the same reasons. While the former could be managed by tightening up the Nicene formula a little, the latter needed more specific references to the Holy Spirit and His nature. I get that some unitarians might have preferred if Arian Christianity had prevailed. But it could never have survived as it directly contradicts scripture and is itself inherently polytheistic (not to say proto-Gnostic in terms of its view of the divine realm). You can see this in modern experience with the plight of Jehovah's Witnesses, who being neo-Arian and largely in agreement with Arian theology, nevertheless have found themselves driven to mis-translate and obfuscate parts of the Bible which clearly contradict their teaching.

[@mikehutton3937]

@Juley beeb I'm not quite sure why scripture comes into it when discussing this council. I'm a Chrstian, so I suppose you have to expect some bias. I have read a translation of the Qur'an and I found it somewhat disjointed, not to say unfulfilling. The stories and illustrations in it are rarely complete when compared to the Biblical equivalent, and it lacks the narrative sweep and grandeur (not to say variety) of the Bible. I get that it's supposed to be poetry, but that doesn't really come out well in a translation. It also contains what appears to be a number of mistakes. The clincher for me isn't scripture though. It's Jesus. He's probably the most radical man in history, and while I can happily nail my colours to His mast, I can't say the same for Muhammad. Following Jesus makes me better, not only in myself but also in relation to the people around me. Because of Him I can see God working in the situations I encounter, and this helps me to do what I can to make things better. Compared to that, insisting that everything "makes sense" or is philosophically clear can go hang. I've been learning as I go along for 40 years now, and it all makes a lot more sense now than back then. What I believe is "a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles". But it works, and at my core I'm an empiricist.

[@MR-dm1gx]

How come Christians don't know this. Yet they came to love and follow Jesus. SubhanAllah!

[@jennaemma656]

Blind faith. They don't read the Bible critically

[@karimb972]

It's an islamic obligation to love and follow Prophet Jesus (pbuh) just like we love and follow all prophets but it is the biggest sin and blasphemy yo worship him as God and ask of him things that are God's purview. To confuse Jesus with God is polytheism.

[@wberckmann]

Correction: When Jesus said, "My God, my God, why hast Thou forsaken me?" he was reciting Psalms 22, he hadn't lost faith in God's ability and willingness to deliver him. As a scholar, how can you not know that? Nevertheless, good analysis of the trinity and sound conclusions.

[@BloggingTheology]

so why did Jesus say God had abandoned him?

[@EddiePittman]

@@BloggingTheology My understanding is he isn't. When you read Psalm 22, it describes many of the things that are happening around the scene of the crucifixion. When he says the words, "my God, My God, why have you forsaken me" , the Hebrew people who heard would have known the full passage and, as they looked around, seen the psalm playing out around them. Perhaps it was a reassurance that all that is happen had be foretold.

[@TheBoujiman]

Whats really confusing to me is that according to Christian lore, He is the messiah, but somehow he ends up not doing anything that the messiah was intended to do (Usher in a new age of goodness, and all the legendary stuff like that). Instead, a trinity is invented, and instead sacrifice is now seen as the greatest good (instead of battling evil).

[@willem1642]

I like the final comment "I hope that was not too confusing", when the whole subject of the Trinity and Nicene versus Arianism is extremely confusing.

[@giovanni545]

Revelation 14:12 12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

[@saidkahar5414]

True Paul. Hope christian know this. Trinity is thorn in the flesh of Abrahamic belief.

[@fromtheperiphery]

Can you do a video on the christian view of what happened to Mary post "crucifixion". There doesn't seem to be a wealth of information in this regard,

[@BloggingTheology]

not enough reliable information to speak of I'm afraid.

[@AbdurahiimRoberts]

Paul, these videos are so informative thank you! Question: Would it therefore be correct to say that prior to these councils the world's Christians and Catholics did not agree on creed at all? What was the main driving force for holding each council? Sorry for the long question but it IS fascinating

[@BloggingTheology]

They didn't agree on the creed for several centuries

[@mahboobkhan3570]

Excellent.

[@beverleyhealy3775]

Well said Paul. As a follower of Jesus, i often mock Christian friends telling them they seem to confuse the number 3 with the number1. Not only for the trinity do they say 3 is 1 but also celebrated at easter is Jesus dying friday evening and rising sunday morning supposedly three days and nights in the grave! How do you relate to someone who believes 3 is 1? In this belief system numbers have no meaning. Sounds very gnostic to me.

[@karimb972]

Right, was almighty God in a tomb for three days? What blasphemy and an insult to the Creator of the heavens and the earth. It's demeaning to human beings as well to worship as God a human being no matter how holy and pure he was (pbuh).

[@aminulislam-ot6nv]

On youTube Simcaha Jacobovici made on " Arch of Constantine" enjoyed it.

[@waleedzemami915]

Paul Jesus had observed the proceedings in Surrah Al Ma’eda (chapter 5 ) 114-118 there is dialogue between Allah Almighty and Isa ( Jesus ) Pbuh in which Jesus saying in today’s language I have nothing to do with those people in very apologetic way. { وَإِذْ قَالَ اللَّهُ يَا عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ أَأَنْتَ قُلْتَ لِلنَّاسِ اتَّخِذُونِي وَأُمِّيَ إِلَهَيْنِ مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ قَالَ سُبْحَانَكَ مَا يَكُونُ لِي أَنْ أَقُولَ مَا لَيْسَ لِي بِحَقٍّ إِنْ كُنْتُ قُلْتُهُ فَقَدْ عَلِمْتَهُ تَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِي وَلَا أَعْلَمُ مَا فِي نَفْسِكَ إِنَّكَ أَنْتَ عَلَّامُ الْغُيُوبِ { مَا قُلْتُ لَهُمْ إِلَّا مَا أَمَرْتَنِي بِهِ أَنِ اعْبُدُوا اللَّهَ رَبِّي وَرَبَّكُمْ وَكُنْتُ عَلَيْهِمْ شَهِيدًا مَا دُمْتُ فِيهِمْ فَلَمَّا تَوَفَّيْتَنِي كُنْتَ أَنْتَ الرَّقِيبَ عَلَيْهِمْ وَأَنْتَ عَلَى كُلِّ شَيْءٍ شَهِيدٌ } { إِنْ تُعَذِّبْهُمْ فَإِنَّهُمْ عِبَادُكَ وَإِنْ تَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ فَإِنَّكَ أَنْتَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ } [المائدة:118]

[@nushratjabeen3577]

Good Lord

[@normanmcdermid1951]

John, in his first letter, made it very easy for true believers to identify an antichrist spirit. This is how you know the spirit of God: Every spirit which confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh...is from God. He does not say that God came in the flesh.

[@RethinkMehrab]

May Allah protect all the humans from going astray and guide them to the only true monotheistic religion Islam the religion of Adam, Noah, Abraham, Issac, Ismael, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them All)

[@shihabshihabi]

Since Paul of Tarasus opened the door for innovation and exhaltation they wander like blind ones.

[@yasminkirmani9795]

Jesus would certainly weep when he will be asked “ did you ask them to take you as God” on judgement day.

[@suleimanallison7680]

Paul if Jesus is not part of the trinity and presumably God what then is the essence of his crucifixion and resurrection? Because, for God has to come in flesh and died for the sin of man.

[@aRsH-aJ]

Council of Nicea : Now we declare ... Jesus is son of god. Thor : *So who am I then* ?

[@RethinkMehrab]

Astray, until you come to the religion of Islam the only true monotheistic religion. Islam is the light from Allah the God Almighty and The religion of Adam Noah Abraham Issac Ismael Moses Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them All). May Allah guide you to the truth and light of Islam.

[@martinmaxwell3508]

Not really, Christians couldn't really defy their beliefs and are divided before it was legalized in the 3th century, hence why it was divided, those people could only get some of the apostles letters and their disciple and would interpreted them themselves. Now during the council, that's what it does, it's redefining Christians belief. Fun fact is the three being debated are Trinitarian doctrine, Modalism (similar to the Trinitarian doctrine, but they believe they're all 1 persons in 3 modes unlike trinitarians who believed that they're 3 different persons 1 being) and arianism ( a belief that Jesus was also God, but He was a created God, they also acknowledged Jesus created the heavens and the earth since He is the word of God) and boi i could tell you there's none doctrine similar to muslims point of view of Jesus Christ during the council, because there's only three major doctrines here being discussed and debated

[@martinmaxwell3508]

Muslims: we declare Allah is the one true God worshipped by Abraham, Moses, Jacob, etc YHWH: Who am i then 🌝

[@aRsH-aJ]

@@martinmaxwell3508 yahwee ..... or may be .... yahuwea...or may be....... YES may be..... four characters with vowels..... which they did not know how to pronounce. (Quite amazing isn't it?) The point is God of Israel never gave the children of Israel His name.... never... Moses asked Him .... "And what should I say to them who sent me?" God replied ... "Tell them, I AM ...WHAT I AM..." Third-person pronouns? Not a first person Noun... In arabic, God has also used third person pronouns for Himself La-ilaha-illa-HUWA (There is no god but He) And because arabic and hebrew both are semitic languages, we can very well translate the term yahwea as ... Ya (O !) Huwa (He)

[@nasirarushdi8980]

Curse can be chaged by apologiesd Allah not only broken head with wall or wept .Pray heartly to accept thier mistakes and further they try to not involve in curse .

[@MsJfraser]

For those who claim Christians changed what Jesus taught, did Jesus preach the Law? Did Muhammad preach the Law? Did Muhammad follow the Law?

[@dimitriosvlissides5781]

Mr Paul What religion are you ? Have you ever heard the OMOOUSION OF THE HOLY TRINITY IF YOU CANNOT GRASP THIS CONCEPT THEN YOU LACK OF ABSTRACT METAPHYSICAL THINKING NOW IF YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU CAN COUNT YOURSELF AS A "SYNOD" FEAL FREE AND YOU CAN BELIEVE IN WHAT EVER YOU WANT

[@dannyyo7948]

so really and truly : 1+1+1=4

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

for christians: If Creator made us pairs a sign He's 1 & Perfect, why He needs to become 3? Follow Jesus, David, Musa, Ibrahim etc. who taught Monotheism & law of Islam! Vs. farisi paul contradicting w/ divine sonship pretrinity, & lawless guilt! Must God degrade into 2 to forgive or 3 to guide? or be a man who bows to God? or an Angel who bows to Man? When being 1 shows perfection! Who is the comforter to last forever in John 14 :16? (Quran 33:40)! 1) Monotheistic salvation vs. "Divine" son-ship. No new God forms in a womb in Job 25 :4 or at all in isiah 43 defeats John 1! (John prologue is suspect of being an addition due to writing style) vs. Paul - "The 1st one to declare Jesus the Son of God: Acts 9:20: "And straightway he [Paul] preached Christ in synagogues, he is the Son of God." Not of Jesus but of Paul. Paul made the unforgivable - breaking the greatest command - salvation. (ultimate hypocrisy) Deuteronomy 6:4 & Mark 12:29 Jesus replied, "The most important commandment: 'Listen! LORD our God is the 1 and only LORD. Good slave/Son-ship is figurative : Dawud vs Jesus Psalms 2:7 : Lord said unto me [David]: 'Thou art my son; this day have I begotten thee." Luke 3 :22 - Holy Spirit descended upon him in bodily form like a dove. A voice came from heaven, “You are my beloved son, with you I am well pleased.”[b] **B. - Luke 3 :22 (NRSV) Other ancient texts say : You are my Son, today I have begotten you.** So Bible's footnotes shows Jesus became a figurative son at baptism as an adult like David in original text... Proving Islam's claim that bible's changed not only internally true but that Injil taught Islam first! This also shows Holy spirit is present & not the comforter. Figurative son-ship of Adam in bible, Jesus is human like him! Luke 3 :38 - son of Enos, son of Seth, son of Adam, "son of God." **Quran 3 : 59 - Verily, the likeness of 'Îsa (Jesus) before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!" - and he was.** 2) Law & Righteousness Deuteronomy 4 :2 - You must neither add anything to what I command you nor take away anything from it, but keep the commandments... Psalms 119 (poem on keeping law) - 4- You have laid down precepts to be fully obeyed. James 2 : 17 - faith by itself, if it has no works, is dead. Mathew 5 : 17 - Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets; ... but to fulfill. John 14:15 - “If you love me, keep my commandments... vs. Paul: romans 10 :4 - For Christ is the end of the law... What did Jesus mean by I won't leave you orphaned in john 14 :18? **John 14 : 23 - “Those who love me will keep my word, my Father will love them, & we will come to them** & make our home with them... 26 - the Advocate (Paraclete/Ahmad), Holy Spirit, **whom the Father will send in my name,** will teach you all, & remind you all that I have said to you. **(Matches Quran 61 :6)** Follow laws to not be an orphan & Jesus will be with you until a Prophet comes. It's not the holy spirit - present at baptism. john 16 : 7 - ... for if I do not go away, the Advocate will not come to you; ... John 1 : 20 - ...“I am not the Messiah (Jesus).” 21 ... “Are you the prophet [(like Moses - Deuteronomy 18 :18) a.k.a. Muhammad peace & blessings on him]?” He answered, “No.” 3) Mercy vs. Original sin & forgiveness through cruci-fiction! Deuteronomy 24 :16 - `Fathers are not put to death for sons, & sons are not put to death for fathers - each for his own sin... (Repeated in Ezekiel 18 : 20 which adds: righteousness of the righteous is on him, & wickedness of the wicked is on him.) Matthew 19:14 - "Children come to me, & do not forbid them, for of such is the kingdom of heaven" vs. Hebrew 9 : 22 - ... without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness. 28 - Christ, once having been offered to bear the sins of many, ... to salvation! God is above being a man (Job 25 :4) & doesn't need a "son-sacrifice" for mercy. **Matthew 12:7: "But if ye had known what this means, I will have mercy, & not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless."** (also Mathew 9 :13) Mathew 5:7 - Blessed are the merciful, for they will receive mercy. Hosea 6 : 6 - "For I desired mercy & not sacrifice, ... Isiah 1 : 18 - “Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;... 19. If you are willing & obedient,... (see luke 19 too) **Quran 39 : 53 & 54 - ... Despair not of the Mercy of Allah: verily, Allah forgives ... & turn in repentance & obedience...** 4) Cruci-Fiction isn't historical even in bible or prophetic. Jesus is predicted to be saved from cruci-fiction, Psalms 22: 1. My God, why hast Thou forsaken me? 16. (scripts differ) 21 Save me from the lion : -- & -- from horns of high places, Thou answered me! (like Mathew 26 :39 Jesus prostrates as a Muslim) Corinthians 15 : 14 - if Christ has not been raised, then our claim & your faith has been in vain. 31 : I die daily! - (Death is often exaggerated in bible) No direct witnesses but added on later showing bible changes : Mark 15 : 40 - There were also women looking on from a distance;... Luke 23 : 49 - But all his acquaintances, ... stood at a distance, Mathew 27 :55 - Many women were also there, looking on from a distance;... vs. John 19 : 17 - Jesus Carried the cross himself... (removing Simon likely crucified in his place) 25 - Meanwhile, standing near the cross of Jesus were his mother... Thesalonians 2 : 9 - The lawless one will be w/ how Satan works & use all sorts of displays of power through signs & wonders that serve the lie, (Matches paul) 10 wickedness deceives those who are perishing, as they refused to love the truth & be saved. (Matches Farisis) **11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so they'll believe the lie.** **Quran 4 : 157 - And because of their (boast), "We killed Messiah 'Îsa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary), the Messenger of Allah," - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them, & those who differ ... follow nothing but conjecture. For surely; they killed him not.** 5) Verdict : God is 1, Islam is true! Paul, the lawless false Prophet of Mathew 24 :11 & 12, wanted to remove the laws, Paul degraded God's forgiveness to create a polytheistic son (Acts 9, Hebrew 9 & Romans 10) against scripture (Isaiah 43 & Mathew 12 :7) to remove laws, inspired by the devil. A Perfect God needs no partners. Paul is corrected in salvation, sin & righteousness by the lawgiver & comforter Prophet Muhammad peace & blessings on him of john 1 :21 & 16 :8! Acts 9 :3 - he (Paul) was approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. Luke 10 :18 - Jesus said, “I watched Satan fall from heaven like a flash of lightning. Mathew 24 :11 & many false prophets will arise & lead many astray. 12 & because of the increase of lawlessness, Paul lost blessings for his tribe by removing the laws. Jeremiah 31 : 36 - If these statutes depart from before Me, An affirmation of Jehovah, Even Israelites doth cease From being a nation before Me all the days. Cruci-fiction (attempt) led to lawlessness. Mathew 21 :38 - tenants saw the son (Jesus), & said, ‘This heir; let us kill him & get his inheritance.’ & 43 Therefore I say kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people of fruits of the kingdom. (law) Kingdom given to Ismael's tribe - Genesis 17 : 20 - As to Ishmael, I have heard thee; lo, I have blessed him, made him fruitful,...; 12 (Saudi?) princes & I have made him become a great nation; even paul went to Arabia, where Ismael dwelt 1st (Genesis 21 :21 - Paran) - Galatians 1 : 17 - nor did I go to Jerusalem to those who were already apostles before me, but I went away at once to Arabia,... Where the global Prophet, who paul thought he was - would come to correct him (IRONY), - **Isaiah 42 : 6 - Jehovah, did call thee in righteousness... I give thee for a covenant of a people, And a light of nations. ... 11 The wilderness & ... villages Kedar (Ismael's son) inhabits, Sing inhabitants of Sela, From the top of mountains they cry. (Mt. Selah is Medina)** Jesus says - Mathew 15 : 24 - “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” **Jesus leaves his tribe for Islam on return:** Isiah 49 :1 - ... O peoples, from afar, Jehovah from the womb hath called me, ... **6. ... `It hath been a light thing That thou art to Me for a servant To raise up the tribes of Jacob,... I have given thee for a light of nations, - same term for Islam of Arabia in bible.** (& more) paul is the lawless false prophet, so covenant is given to the fruitful Ismael - the final Prophet lawgiver like Moses, to be forever as comforter is only Nabi Muhammad peace & blessings be upon him! Solomon songs 5 :16 - He is MUHAMMADIM - (name in Hebrew) John 16 : 8 - & when he comes, *he will prove the world wrong on (original) sin, righteousness (law) & judgment (salvation):* Quran 6 : 162. **Say (O Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم): "Verily, my Salat (prayer), my sacrifice, my living, and my dying are for Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin (creation).** 163. **"He has no partner. And of this I have been commanded, and I am the first of the Muslims."** 164. **Say: "Shall I seek a lord other than Allah, while He is the Lord of all things? No person earns any (sin) except against himself (only), and no bearer of burdens shall bear the burden of another. Then unto your Lord is your return, so He will tell you that wherein you have been differing."** 165. And it is He Who has made you generations coming after generations, replacing each other on the earth. And He has raised you in ranks, some above others that He may try you in that which He has bestowed on you. **Surely your Lord is Swift in retribution, and certainly He is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.**

[@kausamsalam8543]

Ameen🌿

[@kestane123chesmo]

The doctrine of trinity can not be taken by faith alone because an eternally just creator would not expect us to abide by a bible loaded with contradictions and fabrications and filth. The bible doesnt deserve faith. FAITH IS ENTRUSTED. My God (Allah) is NO hypocrite. Thats why Allah gave us Islam, the Koran and prophetic traditions.

[@ChristinaFromYoutube]

What do you make of the meteorite in the Kaaba? That's the image of "Diana" of Ephesus. Its goddess worship same as Rome. Catholics are the sun and Islam is the moon but it is the same entity being worshipped in both. Worshipping on either side of dualism is fine by Satan.

[@kenmcclellan]

Interesting notion that Jesus could be not "fully human" ... and are you sure WE are? And what might constitute one? I mean, if you believe in ANY sort of spirituality -- you assume some sort of afterlife. And as to these skin pajamas we wear, there is no pure homo sapiens sapiens unless they cobbled one together from a hypothetical DNA baseline (sort of impossible among us part-neanderthal rh+'s). So in the Gospel of Philip there is a passage suggesting that you and I could be on a par with Jesus once we too have undergone the baptism: "The Lord would not have said 'my father who is in the heavens'* [remind you of the Lord's Prayer?] if he did not have another father. Instead, he would have simply said 'my father.'" *Matt 7:21, 10:32, 12:50, 16:17, etc, etc ... I'm not sure what the Church had against Adoptionism except that it might put them out of a job!

[@dimitriosvlissides5781]

The 5 bishops of Rome Konstantinopoli Alexandria Antioch Jerusalem were all equals

[@adambajnath7625]

Well three plus Mary four gods??!!

[@az-wr1lb]

//...the holy spirit is not fully God...// isn't it amazing the way people find the most unusual topics to wile away their time? Did jesus have a divine mind? was it human? the modern world has no idea about the nature of the mind/soul and yet these paragons of wisdom were dictating their entire belief system around it

[@BilalMusa278]

I reverted to Islam two months ago and i am slowly learning that Islam was always there and all other religions were born out of bidah.

[@JohnKlimakos]

You clearly do not understand the Trinity. There are NOT 3 "gods" as you say. There is ONE God, in three persons. Even the Qur'an acknowledges God's Spirit, the Ruh al-Qudus in Sura 2:87.

[@joshuasamuel4454]

According to you who's the real God Allah Or Jesus?

[@falsesectslikeshiaarejudeo6543]

holy spirit is angel Jibril.

[@starsian]

Where in the Qur'an is this mentioned? If this is a mere interpretation then you are simply doing the same thing as these Christians: adding new innovation to the religion. You shouldn't preach something that you have no knowledge of, Islam strictly forbids this.

[@sanderossi8013]

@@starsian ruh al-qudus refers to holy spirit.

[@starsian]

@@sanderossi8013 yes I know that. what's your point?

[@sanderossi8013]

@Samin Riasat my point was just to affirm that the guy made an islamically correct statement when saying ruh al-Qudus is the holy spirit.

[@starsian]

@@sanderossi8013 The claim was that the Holy Spirit is Gabriel/Jibril.

[@techmedandtravel]

In short Christianity is a whorl of confusion.

[@utedost3091]

👍👍🌻

[@muhammadkhairulizat]

Since when Jesus is a Christian, he didn’t even know anything about Christian 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@muhammadkhairulizat]

Because he did says something on this verse that said “Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the “Law or the Prophets;” I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.””

[@quadraoq4478]

He knew it. Matthew 7 22 Many will say to me on that day,(D) ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’(E) 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’(F) It's a prophecy about those of Christian belief.

[@muhammadkhairulizat]

@@quadraoq4478 but even Jesus said “Matthew 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the “Prophets”; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.” Where does he said he is god???? He is a “prophet” the miraculous birth 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@muhammadkhairulizat]

@@quadraoq4478 there’s no such thing as Christian 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@muhammadkhairulizat]

@@quadraoq4478 and do you know it is corrupted book like this in your verse that said “Jeremiah 8:8 'How can you say, "We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD," when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it “falsely”? found that the bible is corrupted” 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

[@Muslimah_anime_dawah]

MashAllah ❤

[@Gadanfer]

That's what Ahmed didat said

[@micheldisclafani2343]

All religions and sacred books are the creation of men. God has never spoken or appeared to anyone! I feel God in my heart like my mother's love, She is there even when she is not there. It is the same for God'presence in my heart! It is a feeling and a belief that makes me, at 83 a happy man!

[@karimb972]

God has never spoken to anyone? How do you know about him then? Good sir, God has sent thousands of messengers to all nations since Adam. He sent them to all corners of the Earth with the same message. All the religions you see today that predate Islam are diformed versions of the one and only true religion: submission to the one and only true God. Islam is just the last and final form. You would not know about God if He did not send messengers and messages. The Quran is a miracle that I suggest you look into. It is most definitely the work of a human mind or any spirit. Good day

[@gideonopyotuadebo2304]

IT IS NOT OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD YEHOVAH THE MOST HIGH If it is not according to the law of God Yehovah If it is not seeking the law of God Yehovah If it is breaking the law of God Yehovah If it has voided the law of God Yehovah If it has forsaken the law of God Yehovah If it has wandered away from the law of God Yehovah If it is far from the law of God Yehovah If it far from the salvation of God Yehovah If it is far from God Yehovah. IT IS AGAINST THE COVENANT OF LORD GOD YEHOVAH THE COVENANT LAWGIVER Psalm 119:21,53,85,115,118-119,126,136,139,150,155,158 ASV Thou hast rebuked the proud that are cursed, That do wander from thy commandments. [53] Hot indignation hath taken hold upon me, Because of the wicked that forsake thy law. [85] The proud have digged pits for me, Who are not according to thy law. [115] Depart from me, ye evil-doers, That I may keep the commandments of my God. [118] Thou hast set at nought all them that err from thy statutes; For their deceit is falsehood. [119] Thou puttest away all the wicked of the earth like dross: Therefore I love thy testimonies. [126] It is time for Jehovah to work; For they have made void thy law. [136] Streams of water run down mine eyes, Because they observe not thy law. [139] My zeal hath consumed me, Because mine adversaries have forgotten thy words. [150] They draw nigh that follow after wickedness; They are far from thy law. [155] Salvation is far from the wicked; For they seek not thy statutes. [158] I beheld the treacherous, and was grieved, Because they observe not thy word. Proverbs 14:34 ASV Righteousness exalteth a nation; But sin is a reproach to any people. Jeremiah 23:18,35-37 ASV For who hath stood in the council of Jehovah, that he should perceive and hear his word? who hath marked my word, and heard it? [35] Thus shall ye say every one to his neighbor, and every one to his brother, What hath Jehovah answered? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? [36] And the burden of Jehovah shall ye mention no more: for every man's own word shall be his burden; for ye have perverted the words of the living God, of Jehovah of hosts our God. [37] Thus shalt thou say to the prophet, What hath Jehovah answered thee? and, What hath Jehovah spoken? Deuteronomy 26:16-19 ASV This day Jehovah thy God commandeth thee to do these statutes and ordinances: thou shalt therefore keep and do them with all thy heart, and with all thy soul. [17] Thou hast avouched Jehovah this day to be thy God, and that thou wouldest walk in his ways, and keep his statutes, and his commandments, and his ordinances, and hearken unto his voice: [18] and Jehovah hath avouched thee this day to be a people for his own possession, as he hath promised thee, and that thou shouldest keep all his commandments; [19] and to make thee high above all nations that he hath made, in praise, and in name, and in honor; and that thou mayest be a holy people unto Jehovah thy God, as he hath spoken. Jeremiah 31:31-34 ASV Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: [32] not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. [33] But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. [34] And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more.

[@azahariawang9155]

As a god - as believed by the christians - surely jesus wouldn't weep..

[@extraorchidinary6347]

So the same happened in case of some muslims and their belief. Muhammad is not physical being but made of the same essence or noor that Allah is made of, the noor of Muhammad had no begining, he will give you drink from kausar on day of judgement for shifaat and only then you can go to junnat. Now they cannot make him son of God because there is too much condemnation of such idea in the quran so they used different method to glorify their prophet. But their are surprising similarity. In so much that they think zikr of Allah is incomplete if there is no zikr of holy prophet.

[@DePeaceHunter]

What? I have never heard of this. Ever.

[@quadraoq4478]

Unfortunately you are true. There are SOME Muslims who would believe in that. But not all muslim believe that. And mostly disown them. Human are imperfect, in a sense that their free will & free thinking can go out of bounds sometimes. May Allah protect us.

[@jaywalker6464]

Funny, their turn Jesus true teaching into a pagan and ransack the other pagans.

[@omarelghoul9256]

The Christian trinity God. Must have been a multi split personality being. It can't be the God of Ebrahim and Mohammad God.

[@cripplegang392]

Jesus never historically existed. That's a fact. The real savor is Heru

[@djimanufacture7682]

I have a friend name Heru. He was the one give a recommendation to my previous company so I can be it employee. Would you like his phone number?

[@cripplegang392]

@@djimanufacture7682 it will always be that one to make a joke. Get out here.

[@mdsyedali7293]

Assalamu alaikum. According to Islam,/Quran) Holy sprit was sent to Mary with life order of Jesus ( Ruhu of Jesus). The holy sprit came to Mary and told Mary that she will be mother. of a son. Mary told how she will be mother when no male has touched her. Holy sprit/ angle Jibrail told it will happen when Allah desire. Accordingly Jibrail gave air pressure from his mouth so that ruhu of Jesus entered into Mary without physical touching of Mary by angle. So ruhu of Jesus was inserted into Mary by holy sprit through air flow from mouth of Jibrail. This is explained in Quran. So human explaination may be wrong but God explaination is right. More Jesus was created with different way so he will be able to fight against those devil human generation who will fight against order. Of Allah. Thus Jesus will establish Islam when devil follower will try to destroy Islam. Thus Jesus will sa e his followers from crime. Thanks. Dr syed

[@rainsnow5707]

👍

[@azad1718]

Christianity is not what son of Mary Jesus himself said or preached while on earth . Rather Christianity is what Greek and Roman pagan and self certified liar Paul said about son of Mary Jesus whom they never met , using their traditional man God worshipping habits and mind. Christianity today is the result of confusion that became greatest confusion through evolution and violent confrontations several hundred years after son of Mary Jesus left

[@james9077]

Thanks for your efforts Paul. However, I think because most of the things you and I are claiming to be truth are subjective and no man on earth can claim to know more than God Himself. On the issue of the Holy Spirit, let give a simple analogy here. Let's look at the sun, it manifests itself by giving us light (energy) , and heat (energy), and it also has a body, which both the heat and light energy proceeds from. Is the heat produced by the sun not the sun or the light produced by the same sun not the sun. For me, it's the same just as one God who manifests Himself through His Spirit and through His word. He is greater than all, just as the physical body of the sun is greater than the light and heat energy it produces because they are from it, so also is the father greater than His word and His spirit because they proceeded from Him. Just as it's not wrong to refer to the heat energy produced by the sun as sun, then I don't think it's wrong to call either the word or the spirit of God God though He is greater than both.

[@james9077]

@Just Tama I understand what you are trying to say. The spirit of God is not a by product of God neither is His word a byproduct of Him. These are eternal essence of God. They are not created or do you want to tell me that God's spirit was created just like every other thing that exists? The same applies to His word, which is eternal like God Himself. The word of God is God Himself. Don't confused manifestation with byproducts, they may look alike, but they are different. The sun, it heat and light are the same and the manifestation of its existence.

[@james9077]

@Just Tama Your Quran called Jesus the word from God. So what do you call God's word?

[@karimb972]

We don't claim more than what God has told men verbatim: he is One without partners, not beget nor begotten.

[@karimb972]

@@james9077 God's word. Not all of His words. Also, God is more than words. It's a high title befitting a mighty blessed prophet but that does not make him God, His son or His partner. God does not share His lordship over the universe. God cannot be contained by a human body. God did not make a human Avatar of himself, called him his son and killed him/himself. Those are all Greco-Roman pagan inventions against the religion of God, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus. God is merciful and therefore clarified everything through His last Messenger and revelation.

[@minhajmirza721]

@Orchinary: what nonsense gibberish are uttering? Zikr of Allah is ONLY Zikr of Allah. For Muslims prophet was only a messenger/prophet. Nothing more nothing less. The foundation of Islam id La Ilaaha Illalah, Mohammed ur radulullah which translate to THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MOHAMMED IS THE MESSENGER OF ALLAH. No ambiguity, no hidden message or meaning. STOP spreading lies and in correct information.

[@extraorchidinary6347]

Jews denied prophets. Chritians made the prophet God. And muslims made their prophet godly. Not all muslims but a large majority.

[@DePeaceHunter]

Now thats a big claim. Majority of muslims make Muhammad godly? I havent met a single one who does and you say majority? What is your proof?

[@joeyblack986]

Sorry you got it wrong about ISLAM……. This is what EVERY Muslim believes in……. Ashadu an la ilaha illa illa-ilah, wa ashadu anna muhammadan rasul ullah.” Translation: “There is no God but God (Allah - i.e. there is none worthy of worship but Allah), and Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah.”

[@extraorchidinary6347]

@@joeyblack986 This is what they say. Some of them believe in things about the prophet which are beyond what they should. For example the prophet was made of same essence or noor that God is made of. People who believe in sufism for example have their own philosophy.

[@joeyblack986]

@@extraorchidinary6347 Sufism does not speak for ISLAM Sufism is more accurately described as an aspect or dimension of Islam. PLEASE DO NOT confuse ISLAM with Sufism. If you want to understand ISLAM please read the HOLY QURAN & SUNNAHS of the prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.S.)…….may Allah give you guidance to seek the truth.

[@nasirarushdi8980]

The Jews must realised thier mistakes that they do not accepted the Holy Spiritul man .Disobidiet of Allah The Allmighty and Prophet Jesus asw .They say thier prayers and pray to The Allah and Asteghfar for themselves .Now they can pryers on thier tomb and visit that place of burried .bestowed to Allah They want to accept to Hazrat Mohammad saw and the Education of the Holy Quran and khalifa of Hazrat saw as Masiah .Most welcome for them .Allah love his creature and ghafourrehim ..

[@azahariawang9155]

So it was the majority decision that decided that jesus was god? Hahahahahhaah hilarious

[@douglasdde376]

Too bad we can’t punish people like that, oops that seems you sowing confusion, lovely library, perhaps Islam for you

[@Phill0old]

His understanding of the trinity is very poor. The Father is alone the true God, that doesn't deny that Jesus Christ is also, alone, the true God. There is only one true God, that is not disputed by that passage. But Muslims and honesty don't really mix so we expect not better. Isn't it odd that the existence of heretics is proof, to people like him, that Christianity isn't true but the founding prophet being a paedophile and murderer doesn't cause him to doubt Islam. The hilarious double standards of the faithful praising a paedophile every day but casting aspersions on the moral character of Christ's chosen Apostles.

[@banzakidimye348]

The Doctrine of Trinity did not “evolve”. There was a tacit, unwritten understanding of the person of Jesus Christ in the Early Church. It was only as deviant ideas developed (such as Arianism) that the Church was forced to formulate “Creeds” that more precisely defined what was already understood to be true. The “Councils” and the resulting “creeds” are better seen as a response to innovative ideas and doctrines that were being developed by various theologians.

[@ryanhunter2987]

I'm sorry but there is literally no proof of that whatsoever. I used to buy into that argument as well, but it is a logical fallacy because it i utterly non-provable and also lacks any empirical evidence.

[@banzakidimye348]

@@ryanhunter2987 What sort of empirical evidence are you looking for?

[@banzakidimye348]

@@ryanhunter2987 In the early Church, there seems to be no question that Jesus was God. The biggest question was whether or not Jesus was fully human; was Jesus a REAL man; or did He just appear to be a man. The biggest challenge was Greek gnostic understanding of spirit v flesh; material v immaterial. Flesh and the physical, material world was essentially evil; ergo, it was being taught that Jesus was not a true man. In the face of this challenge the authors of the New Testament tended to emphasise the true humanity of Christ. The Deity of Christ was not an issue; His humanity was.

[@fkap9371]

@@banzakidimye348 SIGH....please please desist. It will be better for you on the day of judgement

[@astroflyinsights]

Didache also calls David son of God

[@AquarianAgeApostle]

So much misinformation and many inaccuracies regarding the historicity of ecclesiastical councils. It would be preferable to assume that Paul is sincerely mistaken but considering the depths of analysis he presents here, it can only be concluded that he is deliberately disingenuous and intentionally being dishonest in speech.