4WD Hill Start Recovery - ( HOW IT'S DONE )

[@careymahoney1605]

Tim should have 111k subscribers .. not 11k..a real wealth of 4WD knowledge , great stuff ! 👍

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Thanks Ronald, i greatly appreciate your reply and feedback. Sub numbers are slowly growing, which great. Cheers Tim.

[@stevegoodwin5841]

Stall and key starts. Practice and practice to avoid natural reaction of 'clutch in' stop. Thanks Tim. Importand simple techniques we MUST learn, practice and USE.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Steve, Thats it mate, we should all practice this technique no matter what your skill level is. Thanks mate for your reply and feedback. Cheers Tim.

[@MudducksTouringAustralia]

Good advice as always Tim. Cheers Steve

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Thanks Steve. See what happens mate. Cheers Tim

[@craigwillis3372]

Well done again Batesy...sensible advice and well worth heeding !! Stay safe and well and I look forward to your next outing !!

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Craig, Thanks mate. I hope you are going ok during these times. Stay safe mate. Cheers Batesy.

[@axelcordes]

You are so right with 'practise' - you should not underestimate how quick you are back in bad behaviour if you don't do it regulary ... Food under the clutch as David said is a great idea ! keep on rolling & Cheers from Austria , Axel

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day mate, Yeah for sure mate. Keep on top of the practice side of things. Keeps it fresh in your mind if you have to get it done for real. Yeah spot on, the foot under the clutch pedal is a top tip. Thanks for your feedback. Cheers Tim.

[@chriscoyne4827]

Great advice Tim this is the best advice you ever done it can end dangerous if you don't know what to do

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Thanks Chris, Yeah for sure mate. Its a skill that everyone should practice, no matter what skill level you are. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.

[@paulkenny7363]

awesome detail Tim, i have watched it a couple of times now to get the detail in my brain , i should go and practice

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Paul, Thats great you found this video helpful. Practice for the first few times on a hill thats not so steep. Just until you get the hang of it and the order you need to do the steps. Worth having a few practice runs on an easier hill first. Thanks for your feedback mate. Cheers Tim.

[@snells-window]

This does take some practice to avoid the instinctive reaction to grab the clutch. The key-start technique, either going backwards or forwards takes some getting used to, especially when very steep as the initial start tends to lurch the vehicle backwards/forwards before the engine compression catches it and slows. Everyone needs to learn this technique; it really is a potential lifesaver, not just on steep hills, but even on short rocky climbs/hops.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

pseudechis You’re absolutely right in what you have mentioned. Certainly techniques we all need to be comfortable with. I’ve just made another tips video today. But going down a hill forward. That will be next Monday nights video. Thanks for your reply and feedback mate. Cheers Tim

[@MrRATMAN250]

Done this many times old mate,but the way you explain it was even better nice vid.keep them coming

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Thanks mate. I greatly appreciate your feedback. Part 2 tomorrow night. Cheers Tim.

[@ADVANCEDTECHTIPS]

Just when I think I know it all, I learn something new. Great info

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Gday mate, I don't think we ever stop learning new things. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.

[@andrewwhite7724]

that’s spot on tim. that’s what i got taught some 15 years ago when i was a member of all terrain 4wdrive club.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Yeah spot on mate. Very handy to know how to get yourself out of trouble if that happens for real. Thanks mate for your reply. Cheers Tim.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Thanks mate. Very handy knowing how it’s done just incase you need it for real. Cheers Tim.

[@stephenbloomer567]

Well done, but 98% correct. Keep the handbrake on while changing into reverse, as for that one minute you were relying only on the foot brake only. Hand brake on until after it’s in reverse so you always have two points of protection. And always keep one hand on the steering wheel, so if you role at least you can control which way you go.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Gday mate, Yes that is correct. Into reverse while hand brake is still on. Great feedback mate, greatly appreciate it. Cheers Tim.

[@stephenbloomer567]

Tim Bates 4wd Adventures love your work. And 98% is still an A+ :)

[@timbates4wdadventures]

@@stephenbloomer567 :-) Thanks mate.

[@mikeykeyes]

so if you ROLL - you are 99% correct otherwise LOL

[@woobykal68]

Bloody good tip, never thought of that.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

No worries Carlo. Thats great if you found the video helpful. Thanks for replying. Cheers Tim.

[@alberttresslevic914]

Three thumbs up! Good advice as usual mate, I reckon practicing this technique could help a lot of peoples confidence getting started.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Albert, Thanks mate, it sure is worth getting comfortable with this recovery technique, just incase you have to use it for real. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.

[@davidwheat84]

I was taught to jam your foot under the clutch so that you don't make the mistake of automatically pushing down on the clutch. Practice in a safe area to get used to the feeling of it.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day David, Thats is another great tip. That way you cant be tempted to jump on that clutch. Thanks for your feedback mate. Cheers Tim.

[@Graciegunfire]

Hi Tim, I am an educator in the RFS and we teach a practice similar in our fire appliance as part of our off road driving course, both in heavy vehicles and light vehicles. Interestingly, we have had damage caused to the reverse gear being stripped under load in Toyota Hilux's when starting in reverse. Noted, that this is the only type of vehicle that has been problematic when practicing the hill stall recovery and we don't use them to practice this recovery technique anymore due to the risk of reverse gear damage. Haven't had this issue with any of our other types of 4wds over the past 10yrs...yet!

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day mate, Thanks a lot for your reply. Thats interesting about the issues you have found only with the Toyota Hilux gear box. I haven't heard that before. Would the Hilux model you refer to be one of the newer models? Thanks again for your reply, interesting feedbcak. Cheers Tim.

[@Graciegunfire]

@@timbates4wdadventures We had 2 damaged, both around the 2009~10 vintage and manuals, so not the newer versions. We are slowly moving our fleet to automatics. There are a number of reasons to go to automatic, one being that we need to cater for all types of drivers and the new generation of drivers we are training don't often know how to drive a manual vehicle as they haven't had the opportunity to learn on one. So sadly in a few years, the manual will be a thing of the past for us.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

@@Graciegunfire Yeah right mate. Very interesting the changes that are going on with the vehicles that you have in your fire fighting fleets. Thanks for your reply mate. Cheers Tim.

[@2strokeINTRUDER]

Fantastic video Tim. Being relatively new to difficult 4wding, I'm definitely going to take this on board. Would be nice to see more instructional videos out there on 4wding. I can seem to find instructional videos on almost any topic but 4wding is quite limited.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day mate, Thanks mate for your reply and feedback. Thats great you found it helpful. Part two of hill start recovery is coming up tonight at 6.30pm. Next Monday night i will have another hill start recovery video. Let me know if you have any topics you would like filmed, and I'll do my best to film them mate. Thanks again. Cheers Tim.

[@JarradDRS]

Great video, Tim. Thanks for posting it. Just a thought, though. A lot of new manual 4wds require you to push the clutch in to start them. Might be a worthwhile to mod them to start with the clutch out.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Jarrad Stewart Gday Jarrad, Touching the clutch in that situation isn’t ideal. But, you will have to do what you to do to start the engine of a more modem 4wd. Not sure if they can be changed or not. Thanks for that reply though mate. Cheers Tim

[@GregPalmer2]

Great take young felah,l haven't practiced this scenario for a while,better still l will try changing between low or high range,got no idea how they do it in autos,saying that new 4x4 are completely different than our old timers so its important to find out how you do it in the new 4x4.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Greg, It is well worth keeping in touch with how to get out of a situation like this. Not much you can do with an auto. You cant stall them like a manual. So pretty much just come to a stop, put in reverse and go back down the hill. Thanks for your reply mate. Greatly appreciate it. Cheers Tim.

[@jeepinaustralia2477]

Great tip, thanks for sharing!

[@timbates4wdadventures]

jeepinaustralia No worries mate. That’s great you found the video helpful. Thanks for your feedback. Cheers Tim.

[@waynedoeblin6801]

All in my head for the"one day".I have rehearsed it,but haven't had to use it in desperation thankfully.All the best Tim🙂

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Wayne, Thats great mate that practiced this recovery technique, it will come to you a lot better when the day comes when you have to use it for real. Thanks mate, for your reply. Cheers Tim.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Hope it helps one day mate. Cheers Tim

[@Leon-lp9fl]

Thank,s Tim.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

No worries mate. Thanks for watching the video. Cheers Tim

[@robertweston2420]

you can also turn the AC on to help drag some power out of your motor

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Robert, Yes the AC sure does drag some power from your motor. Thanks for that tip mate. Cheers Tim.

[@renaehobbs5309]

Great tip, never new that.👍

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Thanks Renae, Sure is a handy recovery technique to practice. Thanks for your reply and feedback. Cheers Tim.

[@burgandrive]

Good tips Tim. Although my 3.0litre Patrol will not sit on a really steep hill on just the gearbox. Not enough engine compression??

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day mate, Ahh righto, not sure why yours wont hold on a hill like in the video. Thanks for replying. Cheers Tim.

[@chuckberry7692]

Good advice fella👍no use worrying about the handbrake step with my Toyota hilux though😂😂😂😂🤘🍻🇦🇺🔥

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Is that because your hand brake doesn't work? Cheers Tim.

[@chuckberry7692]

All Toyotas don't work fella😂😂😂😂😂😂😂👍

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Chuck Berry Ahh righto. Lol.

[@glennpayne704]

Good method for manuals. What do you recommend for autos reversing downhill?

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Glenn, Not much you can do. You can change gears on the fly with the clutch issues. Or just come to a stop and simply select reverse. Hope that answers you questions mate. Cheers Tim.

[@simonrudk3912]

this technique I use religiously. it's scary how many people don't use this technique and instead roll back in neutral or in gear with the clutch in. I thought everyone knew this but obviously by the comments I was wrong. should do one for going down hill too.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Simon, Its one of those situations where i think it will never happen to them. Thats why I've made this video. Tomorrow night is part two, continuing up the hill after selecting the wrong gear. Going down the hill forward would also be another good one to go with this series. Thanks a lot mate for your reply and feedback. Cheers Tim.

[@peterschobben3649]

G'day Tim.If you had diff lock on,would that still work in reverse?Can you possibly do a pros and cons on reduction gears in the future ? Thanks.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Peter, Having a rear locker on still works well in reverse. Great way to get maximum traction. As far as pro's and con's for reduction gears. I don't have any Con's. They are wicked in any form of four wheel driving. Thanks for your feedback mate. Cheers Tim.

[@alexcross7739]

Hi Tim thanks for this video, I am at the beginner level with so much to learn. I also have an auto, so any extra tips or differences are very useful when you make these videos. Example: Do I leave it in drive, or should I manually put it in a lower gear so it can’t shift when climbing? Thanks Alex

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Alex Cross Gday Alex, With your auto transmission. Rather than drive up or down steep hills. You would manually lock the transmission in either 1st or 2nd gear low range. Depending how steep the track is. If you leave it in drive, it then allows the transmission to change gears on its own. Take control and lock it in a gear yourself. Hope that helps mate. I’m glad you found the video helpful. Thanks for your reply. Cheers Tim.

[@ausoff-road7795]

Do you have to let it stall for this to work? Thanks for the tips as always mate.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day mate, You better off taking the control and stall the 4wd yourself as i did in the video. Rather than waiting for it to stall. Thanks heaps mate for your reply and feedback. Cheers Tim.

[@matthewhill4295]

Hey Tim, If you need to go backwards down a hill, couldnt you just put it in neutral with car running and coast down with breaks I didnt think any engine breaking would happen in reverse and youd go too quickly backwards

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Matthew, No mate, rolling back in neutral while on the brakes has got danger written all over it. If your foot were to slip off the brake pedal, your 4wd will take off backwards very quickly. Not to mention if you're on the brakes too much and the brakes get to hot and begin to fad. Always have it in gear, no matter if going up hill or down. Reverse gear in low range will still provide engine braking the same as going up hill. Just feather the brakes when reversing down and let the reverse gear do most of the engine braking. I hope that helps to answer your question mate. Thanks for that. Cheers Tim.

[@matthewhill4295]

@@timbates4wdadventures Thanls for the info mate. Cheers

[@timbates4wdadventures]

@@matthewhill4295 No worries mate.

[@mattluszczak8095]

Was this filmed Burgoynes track tim?

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Close mate. It was on Hicky Creek Track. Cheers Tim.

[@meomigh2062]

Whats your thoughts on a modern manual that wont start with out the clutch

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Gday mate That would make some of those hill start recovers interesting. You’d have to really make sure that all your braking systems are being used. Spoz, it’s just the way modern 4wds are going, compared to the old school applications. Thanks mate, I appreciate your feedback. Cheers Tim

[@ethandale22]

Cheers mate I didn’t know that’s what scares me the most 🐯

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Ethan, You dont have to practise the first few times on a steep hill like i used. Start on a less grade hill just to get the feel of what you have to do, then work up after time to a steeper hill. Worth knowing how to do it though mate. Thanks for your reply. Cheers Tim.

[@ethandale22]

Yea cheers mate

[@timbates4wdadventures]

@@ethandale22 No worries mate.

[@arthurplottier9783]

Great video, next do it on an automatic transmission vehicle.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Arthur, It's totally different doing that same technique in a 4WD with an auto transmission. If i can get hold of one, i will get that video filmed to show the differences. Thanks for your reply and feedback mate. Cheers Tim.

[@arthurplottier9783]

@@timbates4wdadventures Thank you Tim, videos like this not only help people enjoying our bush in a safe manner but also keep our tracks ina good shape. Far too many people do not realize that enjoying our bush is a privilege and not a right.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

@@arthurplottier9783 Absolutely spot on mate. We need to look after the bush. Tomorrow nights live topic is just about that. Thanks for your reply mate.

[@stuiescampingadventures]

Question, what would you do if you wanted to winch up the hill and you're solo? I would be too scared to get out of my vehicle.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

That would depend a lot on what sort of trouble you are in and how steep the tracks is you are stuck on. You might not be able to get out. Just have to weigh that one up at the time. But, thanks for asking though. Cheers Tim.

[@Beyondthebackyard-au]

I once had a situation where I lost traction up hill so tried the stall procedure. It was so lose the heavy old 80 just started dragging itself back down the hill wheels locked and in gear. Scariest bloody thing ever 😂. What’s your recommendations there?

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Geez mate, thats never a good situation. Would have been scary alright. Not much you can do but go for the ride. Hope it doesnt happen again for you mate. Cheers Tim.

[@Beyondthebackyard-au]

Ended up doing to down hill clutch start in reverse but man, still haunts me on uphill runs. Hasn’t happened in my hilux yet so fingers crossed. It had to have been weight. Heavy car and 4 adults.

[@jamezxh]

Must have been bloody steep mate 😯 would have been scary

[@Beyondthebackyard-au]

Jim Mulholland I think a combination. Really steep, loose ground, already lost traction, heavy car loaded with people. Was just hoping there was a way to prevent it lol Tim you got a great channel here. I hope one of these adventure tv shows spots you and offers you a job. You’d make a great presenter.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

@@Beyondthebackyard-au That must have been a very steep and loose hill to do what it did. Full on scary moment mate. Good thing you got out ok.

[@joseexpeditocolaresfilho9908]

Perfect! País : BRASIL 🇧🇷 Estado : Ceará Cidade. : Fortaleza 👏👏👏👏👏

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Thanks mate. Cheers Tim

[@jamezxh]

What are your thoughts with this in the same situation with an auto box

[@timbates4wdadventures]

G'day Jim, Totally different with an auto. You cant stall the engine like i did. You would just come to a stop and select reverse gear, and get your self back down. Thanks for asking mate. Cheers Tim.

[@stevegoodwin5841]

@@timbates4wdadventures This is one aspect of 4 wheel driving that manuals are a safer option than autos in my opinion.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

@@stevegoodwin5841 Maybe mate in times like that. Just because you cant stall them.

[@deanehill9730]

One of the best tricks when in steep grades, but most people don’t know about it. Do not put your foot on that clutch pedal when doing this maneuver.

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Deane Hill Absolutely mate. Stay off that clutch no matter what. Thanks for replying Cheers Tim.

[@1975Cervo]

Prado’s won’t start unless the clutch is down

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Yeah, im hearing this about some of the more modern 4WD's. You would have no choice but to use the clutch to start the engine. Thanks mate for your reply and feedback. Cheers Tim.

[@stuartsheil4234]

way i got to learn but leave park brake on untill in reverse ... lol

[@timbates4wdadventures]

Thats it mate, the joys of filming :-) Cheers Tim.

[@stuartsheil4234]

@@timbates4wdadventures keep them coming mate and remember we are all expert's on our sofa 😉😎🤣🤣 .. o ps sophie be watching 7 pm Wednesday 😎 took her out on Sunday .. p.s.s do ypu carry a chock in case you have to winch alone

[@rfcdgaf]

Does not apply to modern vehicles as you MUST have the clutch in to start. Or modified to start without clutch in

[@timbates4wdadventures]

I know that mate. But, there's still a lot of people driving a manual 4WD with clutch. Cheers Tim

[@andrewmorgan4306]

No good if you,ve got an auto

[@harrywest6624]

no shit

[@timbates4wdadventures]

No mate, it wont work. Cheers Tim