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4x4 converted van, off road and questions answered

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Thomas Zurawski

Thomas Zurawski

Күн бұрын

4x4 conversion camper van, as I have promised I took the van for a weekend out camping and a little off road with a full review of the van but this is really only scratching the surface on building a 4x4 van overland or expedition vehicle or van, we had a good time with a long time friend of mine Andrew and hes wj we have built couple of years ago at the campsite and a little off road course on the owners land.

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@TomSilver_42
@TomSilver_42 3 жыл бұрын
I thought it's just another "drive-through-woods" video, but in the middle there is lovely intermezzo with hell lot of details about how and from components this beast was built from. Appreciated!
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I was a little worried it would be boring as very mild off-road
@TomSilver_42
@TomSilver_42 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport Yes it was, a bit long so I'm not sure if everyone withstand to appreciate your design talk as some might skip that too early. But those details overweight the initial part. I'm not going to build such a beast, most probably. But I appreciate when someone put his soul to something and not just brag about what he bought and have just raw idea how's that built. So your video, second half, is really something extra for me. Thanks.
@howardtennant5766
@howardtennant5766 3 жыл бұрын
Glad to see it's not a VW or a Mercedes 👍
@cemsimsek3297
@cemsimsek3297 3 жыл бұрын
This is the Most successful modification that i have seen. Congratulations
@jarolotek4419
@jarolotek4419 3 жыл бұрын
Polak potrafi,niesamowity SWAP 👍👍👍
@tonybilco1317
@tonybilco1317 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing van,great custom build ,outstanding engineering you should put this van into production I'm sure the demand would be there you could certainly learn the big production manufacturers something !great channel thankyou for sharing
@dieselbushcraft1299
@dieselbushcraft1299 3 жыл бұрын
Thomas your van is totally amazing, you are a very talented engineer 👍
@bastienlag
@bastienlag 3 жыл бұрын
totally insane built... Dreaming to make the same kind of upgrade to my trafic !
@klokstop
@klokstop 3 жыл бұрын
Great Video Thomas !! Thoroughly enjoyed all of it, especially the questions & answers section. Fantastic Chunky Traffic 😍 Thanks for the upload 👍
@yanghuvip
@yanghuvip 3 жыл бұрын
The upturned middle door is excellent👍👍👍
@garethsiddorn9489
@garethsiddorn9489 3 жыл бұрын
Very knowledgeable, I enjoyed your video very much 👍
@thatdudeinorange2297
@thatdudeinorange2297 3 жыл бұрын
Great build and a great sense of humour!
@Straitjacket808
@Straitjacket808 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic van! Love those wheels on mine. Great video.
@gafrers
@gafrers 3 жыл бұрын
Love this build. Brilliant
@howardtennant5766
@howardtennant5766 3 жыл бұрын
A very interesting vehicle and owner great post 👍👍👍
@Aleksandr17677
@Aleksandr17677 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you - but there is a description of all the changes in the car. Or an overview of everything that has changed in the car. ;))))))
@adammills32
@adammills32 Жыл бұрын
Mate that's awesome!!!
@MK_ultra_
@MK_ultra_ 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic build! 👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you for sharing.
@keiths-teeth
@keiths-teeth 3 жыл бұрын
Nice track, enjoyin the engine sounds
@stevenmills3
@stevenmills3 3 жыл бұрын
Yes that is a cool looking truck
@sebastianszefer4106
@sebastianszefer4106 3 жыл бұрын
Widziałem dziś kolegę w Gloucester. Pozdrawiam, wielki fan konwersji twojego Vana
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Dziekuje, sezon czas zaczac 😉
@benbailey4164
@benbailey4164 3 жыл бұрын
Very clever man brilliant 👏
@ebikeoutdoors
@ebikeoutdoors 3 жыл бұрын
Man that is excellent so cool that is a van to be proud of am well jealous
@wpegley
@wpegley 3 жыл бұрын
RENAULT- This is how we want the Traffic! + AC and Radiator preferable.
@ricardoterleira
@ricardoterleira 3 жыл бұрын
To make this through inspection in PT would be a nightmare... Looks good though. Nice work.
@ypaut
@ypaut 3 жыл бұрын
PT ?
@ricardoterleira
@ricardoterleira 3 жыл бұрын
@@ypaut PORTUGAL.
@zwloki0
@zwloki0 10 ай бұрын
But is it possible?
@1991enduro
@1991enduro 3 жыл бұрын
I love a van and check the lift kit and tires nice o and its 4x4 wow
@dawidjaro6387
@dawidjaro6387 3 жыл бұрын
Kurde. Świetna opcja. Choć szczerze to miałem nadzieję, że nigdy takiego filmu nie znajdę bo mam Opla Movano:)
@RafaDe
@RafaDe 3 жыл бұрын
Mega wypas!! pozdrowki
@tramptruck4859
@tramptruck4859 3 жыл бұрын
Fascinating video.
@jimnyjolly278
@jimnyjolly278 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Interesting ideas. I have a question, well I would like to see more detail on the spare tire mounting as I want to mount a storage box in the same way. Using the door hinges for the swing but independently from the doors, how is it done? To be honest I would like to see more detail on several parts! Once again thanks for the effort in showing us your 'van'.
@vanman7519
@vanman7519 3 жыл бұрын
Same thing really but I want to mount my spare on the back as it no longer fits underneath
@tomosdavies2353
@tomosdavies2353 3 жыл бұрын
Same would love to see it more closely and also his side lifting f door
@michaelellert4231
@michaelellert4231 3 жыл бұрын
In Germany we say KRASS. That means AWESOME.
@marvinvisser5039
@marvinvisser5039 3 жыл бұрын
I love the DEFI aliexpress gauge
@rhinogear
@rhinogear 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent build! Can you give specific year/model number for the mechanical engine please, and have links to the new gear box setup, aftermarket controller with itemized list? Thank you very much :)
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Hey it's the engine from e300td 2000 year with the om603 pump this ones are all mechanical, pump is then modified with bigger elements and external alda ( devise that rises fuel ratio when on boost). Gearbox controller is ofgear 722.6xx gearbox, box you can find it from jeep wj crd but many other std 4x4 have used it as well, you'll need the gearbox from the e300td as well for bellhausing etc as you'll need to swap it with the wj gearbox. It's actually fairly simple
@davidyummus6259
@davidyummus6259 3 жыл бұрын
If Americans are wondering, the gasoline purchased was $5.50 US dollars per 1 US gallon ;)
@davidvarela8739
@davidvarela8739 3 жыл бұрын
12:40 I thought it was a lagoon !
@user-dx5bg4xd7l
@user-dx5bg4xd7l 2 жыл бұрын
Классная машинка 👍 неавиться мне бы хотелось такую но с левым рулём.
@Bugoutvehiclesuk
@Bugoutvehiclesuk 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome conversion. Also the camera glitch is that a go pro 8 because mine does that too.
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks, yes the 8, and is anoing asf to be honest, only does it sometimes but kinda ruins the footage
@Bugoutvehiclesuk
@Bugoutvehiclesuk 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport Iv ended up getting the 9 on that new deal so I will try and upgrade the 8. Can’t find a fix for it.
@stevenmills3
@stevenmills3 3 жыл бұрын
I am so sorry I made fun of you, but now that I saw your engine set up I am impressed
@abazdarhon
@abazdarhon 3 жыл бұрын
So overal you agree that Nissan Patrol is the masterpiece in 4wheeling world lol....
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Well as a std out of factory I think is one of the most robust out there, get a good engine in one, lift, tyres and you're pretty much ready to go around the world, sure not everyone loves them and doesn't always suit someone's needs as for overland vehicle but sure they're robust and drivetrain is quality
@watahyahknow
@watahyahknow 3 жыл бұрын
should work ok in wide open spaces like dunes , forests , eeehr nope when you hit a bump the upper corner of the roof on the other side gets about 2 foot wider
@darrylthompson9431
@darrylthompson9431 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, Thomas, fantastic build and a great vehicle. Could I ask if you are happy with the low down torque you are getting from the motor and Isuzu turbo combination and at what rpm does it kick in. Most of the OM606 4x4's I've seen on youtube are going fast doing high revs. Have you found your set-up suitable for slow technical 4x4 driving? I'm thinking of putting this set-up into a 300tdi 110 defender. Also, it would be great if you did a video on your trailer build, keen to see the suspension set up. Many thanks, love watching and listening to your videos!
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, thank you. The torque is pretty much immediate, with auto gearbox engine builds load later than manual transmission but pressure starts to build as soon as there is load, in off-road with the transfer case in low I nearly never use 1rst gear as almost too "reactive" so torque and responsiveness is absolutelly spot on or actually much more than needed, obviously with power band lower down on the rpms range it looses top power , with the gt3582r it was way faster and can easily outrun x5's it was a bit lagy and less suitable for slow technical driving in off-road especially with the trailer.
@darrylthompson9431
@darrylthompson9431 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport Many thanks Thomas, do you think the R380 is up to the job with your current motor/turbo set-up? Sorry for all the questions!
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
@@darrylthompson9431 hmmm most likely no, it really does put some torque down and you'll have to be careful with the gas pedal, that's not what you want, mate it with a good strong box and you'll love it
@darrylthompson9431
@darrylthompson9431 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport That's what I was worried about! A few people here in Australia are running them (R380) behind the Isuzu 4BDt and say they are OK but like you say, it's not something you want to nurse. I appreciate you taking time to answer my questions. Keep up the great videos and thanks again.
@adventurevanconversions
@adventurevanconversions 3 жыл бұрын
Epic!
@Ant_Nomad
@Ant_Nomad 3 жыл бұрын
Видео супер! У человека золотые руки👌 крутой автобус получился! Успехов в жизни! Лайк 👍
@karlsanderson8127
@karlsanderson8127 3 жыл бұрын
I want to do this to my vw t4
@stevenmills3
@stevenmills3 3 жыл бұрын
There is no wood chips only rocks and clay!
@MOSSFEEN
@MOSSFEEN 3 жыл бұрын
Check out WINDER RECOVERY Jeep Cherokee 4x4
@ravscin
@ravscin 3 жыл бұрын
Hej Tomaszu. Świetna robota z tą Renówką.... BRAWO. W szoku jestem, że zmieściłeś tam mosty z Patrola. Panhardy mocowałeś do budy? Przecież w trafiku nie ma ramy, czy ja się mylę.... Tak czy inaczej SUPER
@MrSibiryak154
@MrSibiryak154 3 жыл бұрын
Отличный отдых!
@stuartrobson4891
@stuartrobson4891 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome awesome build can I ask what are the black extended wheel arches from front and rear?
@anderko82
@anderko82 Жыл бұрын
Piękny projekt mam pytanie czy wszystko poszło od BMW czy napęd jest od czegoś innego? Pozdrawiam serdecznie Roger
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport Жыл бұрын
Dzieki, obejzyj video caly, wszysyko jest wytlumaczone, tam nie ma nic z bmw.
@santiagolafuenteserrano5125
@santiagolafuenteserrano5125 3 жыл бұрын
Fantástica 👏👏👏
@JimbosFarm1
@JimbosFarm1 3 жыл бұрын
I WANT ONE
@nicolasmachado447
@nicolasmachado447 3 жыл бұрын
Wow such an amazing result with this kind of vehicle. How did you do with the doorside ? That’s exactly what i am looking for...
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, quiet simple; defender doors hinges on top, vivaro/trafic rear gate struts, job done, you'll have to play with the locking mechanism a little but it's all doable.
@garyhodder8047
@garyhodder8047 3 жыл бұрын
dude wowwwwwwwwwww
@camperistilnonnobighouse
@camperistilnonnobighouse 3 жыл бұрын
beautifoul camper yeee
@deanprthero5413
@deanprthero5413 2 жыл бұрын
what part of the UK are you in I need my transit converting to a 4x4 mate
@gothama7522
@gothama7522 3 жыл бұрын
Wowo that axe sharpness haha
@leebolton6162
@leebolton6162 3 жыл бұрын
What a great looking and a capable off road vehicle. Do you do conversion kits for that van.
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, no unfortunately is a custom build and not possible to make a kit as way to much has been transformed drastically.
@leebolton6162
@leebolton6162 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport i thought so amazing job
@stevenmills3
@stevenmills3 3 жыл бұрын
But when you come to America gotta improve 4by 4 system
@JamesBond033
@JamesBond033 3 жыл бұрын
Снимите подробное видео как вы создавали эту машину ????
@davidjones7571
@davidjones7571 3 жыл бұрын
Where is this campsite? Looks good
@jamiedakin5999
@jamiedakin5999 3 жыл бұрын
What wheels and tyres know the wj? And what are the wheel arche extension from
@koaluche6942
@koaluche6942 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome build, with plenty of great ideas ! How much did it cost you ? It’s a dream build but it looks expensive to make
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Waay too expensive, lime I said based on trafic, but based on anything else that was already rwd it's a different game, at some point next year I have to build couple of sprinters/crafters and that's much much simpler and cheaper believe or not
@koaluche6942
@koaluche6942 3 жыл бұрын
Thomas Zurawski way too expensive but now you have an unique piece and that was certainly worth it, it just lacks a pop top roof in my opinion to be perfect
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport Tesla motors front and rear and any size battery pack in-between just add to it to increase range and tune the motors to match... there is a 35kw beetle with 600hp so it`s possible for the Renault :):)
@kylereese4822
@kylereese4822 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport Or there`s this arstechnica.com/cars/2020/09/now-you-can-get-an-land-rover-restomod-with-a-tesla-electric-powertrain/ 335kW (450hp) generated by a Tesla drive unit, straight to the axels and 100kWh of lithium-ion batteries..... 600bhp is an option too.....
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
@@kylereese4822 funny you said that as it's been some time I was thinking something down those lines, but charging is kinda difficult in the middle of nowhere, plus this stuff isn't yet affordable enough I think
@ypaut
@ypaut 3 жыл бұрын
Nice van ! Did you swap the engine ? Sorry if I make you repeat your video
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, well watch the video it's all there 😉
@dkjpatrick1635
@dkjpatrick1635 3 жыл бұрын
I've a adria 590 motorhome, thinking to do 4x4 conversion. Any good advice?
@shropshireladoutdoors743
@shropshireladoutdoors743 3 жыл бұрын
You do know you are supposed to put a split pin in that nato hitch don't you I have seen many trailers come of them without one not a pleasant sight
@35764G
@35764G Жыл бұрын
Are these 4WD?
@dougthebuilder1
@dougthebuilder1 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah because this type of vehicle is useful in England where you're no more than an hour's walk away from a road? It's the UK not Utah.
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Or as usefull as 1000's of other campervans I'm UK but with less terrain limitation.
@mlewis-iversen
@mlewis-iversen 3 жыл бұрын
Only Renault Trafic in the world with a Vertex wheel haha
@noah786
@noah786 3 жыл бұрын
What 4x4 van would you choose in the United States?
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Well it all depends on your needs, if a small class van then probably an econoline, I actually have one in the workshop doing Bentley w12 twinturbo mid engine, have a look at my other videos its all there. If large class then a sprinter /crafter seems very popular and I'm planning to build one soon, the think is that in USA you guys have an incredible amount of options for 4x4 systems parts, axles , transfer cases etc so it's actually easier over there.
@foresterboy2011
@foresterboy2011 3 жыл бұрын
Thomas, where is thatcampsite fella. Is it a private or public campsite. Please advise
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
It's a private place, it's a campsite in Kidderminster, I don't have a link to it here atm but it's easy to find, however it's closed now during winter period.
@timmy5521
@timmy5521 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Thomas, do you have a rough idea of budget for building this vehicle?
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Very difficult to price up as too many options but I would say around 35k all in
@Sylvanbilly
@Sylvanbilly 3 жыл бұрын
Good video, shame there was more adverts than actual content 👎
@KaptainKlunk1
@KaptainKlunk1 3 жыл бұрын
Use,,,ADBLOCK on your browser,,,no more adverts,,,
@kuliakn1
@kuliakn1 3 жыл бұрын
What year is the van? Thinking about importing one to the 🇺🇸.
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
2001 but they only come as fwd
@dm1273
@dm1273 3 жыл бұрын
Хм! Engine bmw 57n ? Mercedes ??? 3.0?
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Om606 mechanical pump
@jamiefrench8934
@jamiefrench8934 3 жыл бұрын
Was it difficult to register the engine swap and how did that affect insurance? I imagine it limits the number of companies who would insure you and also elevates the premium? Cheers!
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
No problems with the engine at all and insurance wise I have a trade policy that includes everything so for me was no issues at all however there are specialised ins companies that will happily insure it and actually not expensive as well.
@lukasschimpel9655
@lukasschimpel9655 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport Try something like this in Austria and the guys with the "hugyourself vest" will come and get you. Love your Van. I Just build a Trafic myself. I also have build a spare tyre mount in the back with a included ladder to the roof rack. Wanna lift the chassis about two inches..have to figure out in the Front. Rear is no Problem. Looking forward to go traveling with it. Greetings from Austria 🔧🤙🏼😁
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
@@lukasschimpel9655 that's a shame, I honestly don't understand why they making it very difficult to modify stuff without big problems, do it, get it tested, if all good then off you go, so simple, too many rules and regulations we didn't agree on destroying the fun of living
@lukasschimpel9655
@lukasschimpel9655 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport it's a pain in the ass in Austria to be open minded when it comes to improving or building stuff on your own. As a normal guy having a little craftsman shop you are fucked. You gotta have a pretty stuffed wallet when you want something outstanding. Hate my Home Country for that
@johncarruidojc2063
@johncarruidojc2063 3 жыл бұрын
Dear Thomas how conver un 4x4 your van
@woznaldo
@woznaldo 3 жыл бұрын
What was the Gearbox used? I heard WYJ? Or was that supposed to be Jeep WJ?
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
It's the wj one
@woznaldo
@woznaldo 3 жыл бұрын
Thomas Zurawski thanks. I really like this build. I’d love to see some of the detail underneath. Maybe if it doesn’t involve any juggling of vehicles in the workshop (unlikely!)?
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
@@woznaldo check out the other videos I'm pretty sure I've showed it all under how is built
@carolinedavis1468
@carolinedavis1468 3 жыл бұрын
what 4x4 conversion did you have to do my mates got a vaxhall vivaro trying to get him to lift it and stick conversion so its 4x4
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Well it really isn't that simple, in this video it's all roughly explained. There is no kit you can buy to make them 4x4, has to be custom build.
@carolinedavis1468
@carolinedavis1468 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport thanks who did you use to do the 4x4 side please
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
@@carolinedavis1468 Well actually I do that as part of my job, I used to build race/compete cars incl off-road one's, and lots of 4x4's, do it's quiet simple for me to build this "stuff" , check out the other videos onnyhd channel you'll see what I mean , if you want to see more detail then have a look at the Facebook page Thomas Zurawski or even Zurawski motorsport, pictures albums are full of work stuff
@carolinedavis1468
@carolinedavis1468 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport thanks will check it out
@norbertnoscher2605
@norbertnoscher2605 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, where can I get the trailer? Greatings from Bavaria south Germany.
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Hi, I've built it from scratch, it's for sale if you want it 😉
@norbertnoscher2605
@norbertnoscher2605 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport Cauld you sent me zhe mesurments
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
@@norbertnoscher2605 I still haven't took the trailer out the garage to measure it for you. Find me on Facebook as there are pics of the build
@wolfghostt
@wolfghostt 3 жыл бұрын
59:54 - 0:00
@WojtekRamone
@WojtekRamone 3 жыл бұрын
Terenwizja, ogarnijcie spotkanie z tym gościem! :D
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Twrenwizja byla kiedy jeszcze to byl standardowy trafic, maja jeszcze video napewno 😉
@WojtekRamone
@WojtekRamone 3 жыл бұрын
@@zurawskimotorsport O, to muszę poszukać u nich na kanale zatem, bo nie kojarzę ;) ale przydały się update, bo ten Van jest tak świetny, ze lepszego chyba nie widzialem! Świetny projekt, Thomas!
@user-er4qk9rz8j
@user-er4qk9rz8j 3 жыл бұрын
Крутаяя тачка
@nanukbigwithe
@nanukbigwithe 3 жыл бұрын
👍
@gutmanu123
@gutmanu123 2 жыл бұрын
Did you consider an electric rear axle to achive 4x4? I want to go that direction with my future trafic. Anyone else interested into such a build? Might be interesting to offer a conversation kit ...
@ZachBrimhall
@ZachBrimhall 3 жыл бұрын
Might want to rethink your wood chopping skills.
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Nah they're good enough
@stevenmills3
@stevenmills3 3 жыл бұрын
That looks like they spread wood chips so it does not get too muddy????! Hope you don’t come to America you will always be stuck forever!!!!!
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ! You're for real ? Put away those drugs, they're not good for you 😉
@stevenmills3
@stevenmills3 3 жыл бұрын
You are driving on the wrong fucking side???
@uazbuchanka2206
@uazbuchanka2206 3 жыл бұрын
11 commercials!!!! Whats going wrong with you?! Reminder, overcounted commercial sucks to visit video. Often little bit less more in worth.
@zurawskimotorsport
@zurawskimotorsport 3 жыл бұрын
Well it's not really me who puts advert on.
@user-go5jh9uz4n
@user-go5jh9uz4n 3 жыл бұрын
Абалдетьтьтьтьтьтььтььььь!!¡!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@crazyjackfr
@crazyjackfr 3 жыл бұрын
Obviously, you'll lost your thumb, one day….
@michelichristophe2835
@michelichristophe2835 3 жыл бұрын
Catastrophique , mal filmé , pas de sens , le jour ou vous avez plus de pétrole vous ètes morts...bref, a chier
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