5.0L FORD VS 350 CHEVY VS 5.3L LS-MEGA POWER CAM SWAPS! WHICH MOTOR MAKES MORE HP WITH A 224 CAM?

[@timcornock8232]

Love the SBF content. It's hard to find someone who takes the time to put out videos of this quality. My son is collecting parts for an Explorer 5.0 swap for his '71 Pinto, and this channel has been a great resource for his build. He's an old soul and Bob Glidden fan, and he's already got an Edelbrock Air Gap, Demon 625 cfm carb, and a set of AFR Enforcer 185 heads. Thanks for all the insights 👍

[@richardholdener1727]

thnx for watching, great to spend time with the kids on projects. Good luck on the build and let us know what happens

[@timcornock8232]

@richardholdener1727 Father/son projects are the best. Anything that pulls them away from a screen and gets their hands dirty is always good for the soul. Your turbo junkyard 351W is the basis for a build I want to do for an old '71 F350 dually. Lightest flat bed I can build to keep it close to 5000lbs and it'll be a fun sleeper with patina, stake sides, four tires worth of traction, and as much power as I can build into it. Thanks again.

[@timmcooper294]

It's really nice to see tests on real world versions of these engines that anyone can afford to replicate, I like that all of them were running stock heads, stock displacement, no exotic top end parts. Really good info! Looking forward to more tests, especially the oddball engines, but I love this garden variety stuff too.

[@terraboundmisfit]

I am still trying to figure out the real point to this video?

[@timmcooper294]

@@terraboundmisfit Just a comparison of how some popular garden variety engines in basically stock form respond to a similar spec cam swap. Really basic stuff that is often overlooked in these bling bling spend spend days of huge numbers..... I'm one of those guys who chops up, welds on and machines major engine components for Frankenstien combos, machines his own chromoly axles, builds foundry patterns to cast custom wheel hubs and steering knuckles, gear cases, ect... But I also appreciate the basics and don't disrespect......

[@Johnson-uy9xq]

Good test. I've said it for years. There all air compressors. LS make power simply because the oem head flow great. Put a like flowing head on the sbc and the sbc and it'll also do similiar power.

[@mikkokuorttinen3113]

Nice results! Thank you Richard for testing the PE246 cam also!

[@deanraymond1001]

Richard - thanks for the content, and all the hard work - very helpful. My only wish is that in your dyno run videos, you’d include a short clip of the motors running at idle with the chosen cam so we could hear what they sound like!

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

I miss those old Crane grinds, I wish someone still made them. I had their 228/236 in my Z28 Camaro, and their 234/242 in my SS Camaro. Both put down great power.

[@PatandDoopypoopy]

We ran the Crane Fireball series and the Saturday night special series (meant for oval track and worked great for street hotrod(had a pretty tight LSA for midrange torque)

[@Rudedog75]

@blue My old Crane 252/262 fireball II cam sure has been good in a 427, I just put it in a 454 but haven’t run it yet!

[@roknroy1]

@@bluecollarhotrods9781 I think comp has the crane cam specs, I read that somewhere

[@bluecollarhotrods9781]

@roknroy1 not sure about now, but years ago S&S bought them.

[@bcbloc02]

Comp owns crane and the crane masters now so you can have cams ground by them with the crane specs if you know what masters they were.

[@cgarris8674]

The Valve Spring Upgrade at 9:33, it looks like AFR Heads 😆

[@teagreen2220]

Looking forward to installing a TSP 224R in my L96 LS in a couple weeks. Can’t wait to see the gains over stock.

[@jesseparadis6141]

You do so much testing with the xe268 cam on a sbc with vortec heads would love to see a video of the old he268 with 291 double hump heads with 194 valves new 350 vs old 350 build 😀

[@DillonAuto]

That is quite the gain on the GT40 with those crummy E7 heads. As I remember. Richard covers it in a different video.

[@richardholdener1727]

The GT40 intake was worth about 15 hp

[@JOHNNY07-wu3cd]

Great video! Out of curiosity what are the 3 stock cam specs? I used a Manley Thunder cam in a 9:1 .040” over 400 Chevy with some bowl and chamber work on the stock heads. It was a hydraulic flat tappet 230/230 @ .050” .480” lift 109 lobe centers, pulled from idle to letting off so as not to break it rpm’s , loved it in a 69 Camaro 4 speed SS, great fun.

[@KimiWallrus]

Love the direction

[@Kir_jbg]

Can you please run a 455 olds?

[@rksg2003]

Richard please put the low buck on Black Friday deals I will buy 2 cams plus springs and lifters for one engine..

[@timweb1510]

I respect and like a car guy chasing deals 👍

[@richardholdener1727]

it is

[@deansapp4635]

I love all of Richard s video s

[@rehn1kri]

Richard, your comment about ring gap made me think of something. Have you done a test on how ring gap affects horsepower? We understand the extra safety that comes with gapping for boost etc, and the possible effect on oil consumption, but what about horsepower changes? Thanks.

[@richardholdener1727]

it made no change in power when we gapped the rings

[@The0utmode]

SBC for life!

[@harleysgarage327]

Thank you for the comparison, the 302 Ford is very similar to my own 305 Chevy, with a 224 solid roller, and since it's never been on a dyno now I have a rough idea what it might do.

[@shadowopsairman1583]

305 smog motor, aftermarket heads for the 305 would help

[@harleysgarage327]

@@shadowopsairman1583 Has ported heads with larger intake valves already, the engine is not worth the cost of new heads.

[@racerd9669]

Them Dart Buick heads make great power. ?????????

[@yaboykris2118]

Maaaannn I wish I was a Chevy guy. I’d 5.3 swap my foxbody in a heartbeat. But I’m brand loyal and gotta stick with my old skool push rod 5.0. 😂😭 I got a Coyote I’m going to swap into it but damn building a coyote is expensive.

[@robbobsjobs8456]

I have a 95 and 2024 5.0, I'm ready to mod!!

[@crackjack8320]

why didnt you do a high lift 224 duration roller cam on the small block chevy like you did with the LS? seems like a heavy bias and not a apples to apples comparison

[@richardholdener1727]

this is not a who makes more power comparison (stop being insecure), it's just an illustration of what happens to different combos with the same cam specs

[@crackjack8320]

​@richardholdener1727 "this is not a who makes more power comparison(stop being insecure)" you literally have "WHICH MOTOR MAKES MORE HP WITH A 224 CAM" in the title... This is not me being insecure, this is me interpreting the video as a apples to apples comparison of the same sized cams and how they affect different engine platforms. You have a lot of great data in the video but it doesn't fit the title you chose

[@grandmasmalibu]

I know that (Gen 1) SBC "stock" cam you are referring to. They refer to that as the "peanut" cam. It's tiny and pathetic. Not surprised you got the gains you got with almost ANYTHING other than that, especially with decent-flowing Vortec heads.

[@AnthonyWilliams-qn8vk]

Do the injectors on your site fit the fast 102 intake manifold?

[@richardholdener1727]

We can get those-they are shorter

[@karlsracing8422]

Need to do a 273318 magnum or LA

[@erickbernard8208]

All head flow

[@nbgreenmachine5228]

Would love to see this be done on the old Mopar Crate 360

[@Sam-dl3js]

I came from OHC engines- it seems like OHV engines run less duration but way more lift. Is that gorrect?

[@richardholdener1727]

2V motors can usually run more lift

[@nitro1271]

What's the biggest cam you can run in a 5.0? I have an old 1990 mustang, just looking for a little something more than what it has for weekend riding

[@ZboeC5]

Might as well do a whole top end kit and pick up 100+ hp. Just a cam swap isn't even worth the labor if you want more hp.

[@Kyle-pl6rl]

You could change the rear gear ratio if you haven’t already.

[@triplestangman]

plus one on rear gear dump that 3.07 and get a 3.55 it's a whole new car

[@meangenevstheworld.7773]

Why use a 302 ci motor against a 350 ?

[@martyjohnsonozarkoutdoors8198]

I didn't get that he was pitting them against each other. I think he was just showing what a difference a good cam could do on a 302 a 325 and a 350 cubic inch engine. And showing that the ls heads, even in stock form don't hold back power potential as much as a stock 302 or 350 head. If the 302 or the 350 had a good set of aluminum heads on them that flowed comparable to the 5.3 head. They both would have had bigger gains in power and probably at higher rpm.

[@Kstang09]

Cam all the motors 👍👌🥳

[@rickbutcher3459]

Looks like the website is down.

[@richardholdener1727]

down?

[@acidtechno]

🔧😇🥽

[@sorshiaemms5959]

NOT FAIR FOR THE Ford should have been a 351

[@moonshiner0197]

Ya but then it would have been a fair fight... couldn't have that!

[@stevenallen4123]

Being a Chevy man. It kills me to see the coyote making more power

[@SH-fr2xm]

It’s a fair trade since we have the best after market support and cheap parts galore. My cousin has a 60’s f100 that had a straight six and he wanted to go coyote but the engine itself was more than it would cost to get a 6.0 lq9 with installation included.

[@Jane-justjane]

@@SH-fr2xm this is not a coyote..

[@terraboundmisfit]

Get used to it bowtie boy. Truth is, 4 small valves per cyl. flow way more than two large ones. Also an OHC valve train is way more stable than a pushrod valvetrain, and it places the spark plug in the center of the combustion chamber similar to a "hemi" style cyl. head. As i'm sure you know, the cylinder head is where the HP happens. That is why the c8 is packing a Coyote copy! Power By Ford!!!

[@SH-fr2xm]

@@Jane-justjane I know I’m just saying across the board all ford engines will be more expensive in comparison to Chevy sbc sbe & bbc because of the crazy aftermarket support and the tons of engines GM manufactured and still is manufacturing.

[@tskraj3190]

​@terraboundmisfit umm no. Chevy didn't copy the Coyote. Ford copied the 5.7L LT5 from the early 90's. Ford was gloating about their Coyote and Voodoo so GM decided to smack their manhood on Ford's forehead with the 5.5L LT6 which destroys the Coyote and Voodoo.

[@roknroy1]

All in the heads and lift… I’m building a flat tapper old shool sb Chevy I think the ls is ugly compared to a sb Chevy with a tunnel ram!

[@deanstevenson6527]

🥝😁✔️

[@kevindoherty2716]

It's so annoying that you never ever show the power or torque where 80 percent of the driving is done in the below 3500 rpm range ... People should understand you loose a lot of drivability putting this big a can in small cube 300 to 350 cube motors plus you loose vacume for brakes and with carbs stall in gear at idle without the matching high rpm stall converter that burns your tranny up without giant coolers ... There's a reason the big auto builders use conservative cams and it's so anyone can drive them and dependability... I always went smaller on cam selection then everyone else and beat everyone else who claimed to have double my hp while driving with my a c running ,not stalling ,or bogging ,plus with double the milage winter ,summer ,whatever and without overheating ...😅

[@richardholdener1727]

If only someone put in a 246 PE cam in the video!

[@ztwntyn8]

I e read that a 5.0 fox engine has short rod ratio and tends to want a head that flows is more important on the 5.0 than say a longer rod ratio Chevy or like me Pontiac 6.6” and not the best heads ever just made lots of torque. I’m wondering most about rod length here but I read not a pro 👊🏻🙏🏻🇺🇸

[@richardholdener1727]

every motor wants head flow

[@bdugle1]

That poor Ford engine needed a head and intake swap, and a stroker crank, to compete!

[@jameshenson4871]

When they get a head, that SBF will make some power.

[@rono3045]

Should be a 351 w vs 350.. Chevy always gets the bigger displacement not fair

[@nicolasdeleon2819]

It wasnt a true comprison of which is better. Just what's possible with common junkyard motors and mild cam upgrades. Since its also not fair that the 5.3 has such a huge head advantage and better EFI intake, stock.

[@markmccarty9793]

I've always wondered why you go to the 5 liter when, at least here in the south are easy to find! Then again, you guys are on the communist west coast! 😂😂

[@richardholdener1727]

what is easy to find (use your words)? And maybe you can see that the 5.0L was chosen because they all had 224 cams?

[@krf1448]

yawn

[@SweetCar]

Chuck Norris. Not Truck Norris lol

[@ragtopdeluxezl1]

lol... The Truck Norris cam...

[@ZboeC5]

You really showed us with your bottomless depth of knowledge...oh wait...no. Truck Norris cam is definitely a thing. Shows how much you know.

[@brentgrimes5353]

I don't understand where You get these crazy non comparable ideas. OK now let's comparable gm 305vs 351c 4v vs 7.3 godzilla 224 cam .

[@ijmodified]

The comparison isnt about which engine made the most power, there is no winning engine Its about limiting factors of engines Of he had a stock 351 with 224 cam he probably would've used it

[@LucianMul]

Most common engines it's just showing how much a mild cam can add.

[@shadowopsairman1583]

Ok cough up a 7.3, a direct comparison would be the 454LS.

[@cgarris8674]

@@shadowopsairman1583 Not really, the Godzilla is an OEM engine, the 454LSX is a Crate Motor. A direct comparison would be the 454 LSX and the 7.3L Megazilla. The 454 LSX makes 627hp & 586Tq. The Megazilla makes 615hp & 640tq.

[@chipcurrey653]

I hope one day you are less insecure once you derive enough identity from an automotive brand you buy material products from.