5.56 SPR vs .308 DMR | Civilian Applications

[@masoverse1]

I’m a SWAT Sniper and use both platforms (Wilson Combat “SPR” in .556 and a DD 5V4 Milspec .308).I’m averaging 1 MOA on each given a compilation of several hundred rounds on each in different atmospherics and terrains. I’ve used both in a live officer involved shooting while operating as a sniper. What I have found is that as far as intermediate ballistics, my holds are actually quite similar ( with .1-.2 mils) until about 450m. Thats where you start to see the holds change considerably. Of course terminal ballistics is a different story. The subject I shot with the .308 received Catastrophic injuries that were immediate and apparent. The subject I shot with my .556, although effective, were less apparent at first sight. So as far as application, typically the one thing I always end up falling back on is barrier penetration. If I have a barricaded subject or a subject in a car, I will typically exclusively use my .308. If I’m on a physical track of a fleeing felon in the woods or responding to an active shooter where it is likely I’m going inside to make contact, I’m taking my SPR. My two cents. Feel free to comment.

[@terrarecon]

I concur based on my own professional experience as a Marine Corps MP and weapons instructor.

[@christopherpeterraby]

thanks for the info

[@caseysmith8831]

Valuable insight. Thanks

[@Bob1934-l6d]

Great points. Application to the situation.

[@1stinlaw917]

Do you use frangible ammo on your spr , and if not what do you use. ( another LEO here that carries a patrol rifle)

[@gunsncars1157]

Dear KZbin, this is the content we want to see. Please cease trying to ban it, it’s bad for your business.

[@IndependentArmz]

I don't why everyone wont go to rumble. It's like they're addicted to youtube and have no other choice

[@4doorsmorewhores630]

@@IndependentArmzbecause why use two different platforms for the same thing when it’s always been consolidated under KZbin alone. That’s a really garbage argument.

[@bobbyberry5559]

​@@IndependentArmz money talks.

[@igrathke]

Many of the content creators are on rumble but they don't get any views.... Rumble simply doesn't have the audience that KZbin does. ​@@IndependentArmz

[@user-goatsnif]

This is a keeper like it ty

[@jkellyid]

Spr is about extending effective range of a intermediate caliber. Dmr is a support fire role build around using accurate fire at distance and overwatch rather than volume of fire to provide support. Sas is semi auto sniper... It's defined by prioritizing 2 things first round cold bore impacts and max effective range with semi auto function. The reason most people start with spr is it's simply getting an upper receiver that shoots far well and can provide decent firing schedule at range without opening the groups up too much. You learn the fundamentals that help with developing a dmr and then a sas rifle. Ok that's all i know. I have a crummy dmr build and two decent sprs. Finding a range when you can train these is hard for most Americans sadly

[@ReticentIndignation]

True, longest range I have is 200 yards.

[@LRRPFco52]

Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Nevada, and Arizona are long range paradises, as well as great for respecting 2A rights. Utah has the best range complex just outside of Price.

[@trevormurray617]

If you live in Tennessee or a bordering state theres a really nice gun range between Nashville and Knoxville. Its in Spencer Tennessee and its called Dead Zero Shooting Park, 1,000 yard rifle range, rifle/pistol bays, skeet, bows and all that great stuff. Love that place

[@TacticoolVIKINGBeard]

Yea... i live in NY state 😂 ive got extended family on fars within the hour from me but thats a pain in the ass to plan

[@grinch5979]

In Georgia/Alabama line there is CMP which is also nice and everything is digitalized has a screen to show you your hits I believe.

[@leviolson]

I appreciate that you didn't sugar coat just how hard it is to shoot distance, even with nice guns! Most people don't realize how hard it is, and you MUST train regularly!

[@pardonmybra1n]

With a proper setup that shoots 1MOA, good fundamentals, and a ballistic calculator it isn't as difficult as many think. Even with a 3MOA gun you are still "minute of man" accurate to 700yd (rounds will impact within a 21" circle). Wind is the main variable for misses especially when getting past 5-600yd. Also, the lack of quality ammo that is paired with the barrel length and twist rate is a common reason people can't get hits.

[@rustysausage69]

@@pardonmybra1n Consistently precise shots with less magnification of optic is another thing that separates decent from good shooters. I can as a beginner attest to group sizes improving by a half inch from ~1.5-1.75” to ~1-1.25 MOA going from a 10x LPVO to a 16x scope out of my 16” geissele super duty. Im a gorilla though so im definitely coping here. Its easier to shoot precise groups with more magnification, meanwhile the M110 when first introduced was equipped with only a 10x optic, and if im not mistaken the Mk12 had a 8x. Training training training.

[@bmrz38]

@@mrs.vasquezzthanks for clearing everything up….Move along.

[@elguapok20]

Honestly, today was the first time I shot out to 500 and it was actually kinda easy. PSA 16" Upper with vortex strike eagle 1-8. Target was a full man size target and it wasn't hard to get a long string of hits.

[@dhena8112]

I took a bruiser class and never shot my 5.56 as far as I did in his class 1100 yards. You just need to know/learn how to do it. You need a good barrel and good ammo more than anything else. I'm biased and build guns with a Bartlien barrel now exclusively. CLE when their doors were open to the public now Craddock precision.

[@SlickPlayss]

I personally am on a budget, and that idea of a "budget" 18" or 20" PSA vs a like DD 14.5" would be cool! With the world and economy the way it is, I think the majority of us are closer to the budget side of these things! Appreciate all the work you do!

[@aireydc]

IWI Zion 18” .556 SPR, Athlon Helos 2-12x, magpul offset irons, accu-tac fd-4 arca bipod or other Arca bipod, is a good ‘budget’ SPR…all for less than the DD rifle. Get what you can afford.

[@onekingproductions5466]

Build one. Good Barrel/BCG, accurize it, get a decent trigger.

[@jamesprewitt1501]

Psa ar10 18in with a hawke 4-16 it works well and dose the job get the set up your budget allows it will get the job done

[@UnlegitMedia]

There’s several companies that cost less and perform better than DD. But you’re not going to get any kinda of quality from psa. BCM, EWS, Geissele, the list goes on. I’ll never understand why people always try to justify buying psa by comparing it to DD.

[@onekingproductions5466]

@@UnlegitMedia I agree. Buy a BCM and move on. They're like 1300 on sale.

[@searchBLOC941]

I decided to keep things lighter in weight. I ran with a 6.5 Grendel DMR. I also hand load for that. Free float hand guard, 3-9x40 optic, bipod, sling, offset red dot. Sweet setup. And I can swap over to 300 AAC off my SBR if need be. One lower, two purpose built uppers.

[@PoliticallyInsensitive]

I'm about to start handling for 308 but I've got a Grendel as well. What powder are you using? Pretty much the only ones I can find in my area are a little bit of Varget, TAC, and some sparse 4064.

[@searchBLOC941]

@PoliticallyInsensitive It depends on what I'm loading for. I typically run Accurate 2520, but I came across a hoarder a while back and bartered for 10lbs of Norma.. hehehe. I've personally stocked up on Tac also.

[@surlyfan]

6.5 Grendel (or 6 ARC for that matter) is a good middle road IMO. I think a good hand loaded 110gr Barnes ttsx is the sweet spot, good velocity but monolithic for good penetration.

[@searchBLOC941]

@surlyfan I haven't loaded too many of the lighter loads for the 6.5. I reload for so many calibers that I often get too deep into buying components, and I forget to experiment a little bit.

[@Meyer-gp7nq]

👌👌fantastic, kinda what I was thinking would be best, although the price and availability of 6.5 is the biggest issue I see, can get in the way of training I assume

[@kc8omg]

My wife's onboard with where we're trying to go with all this, but our bank account isn't going to be for very long if you guys keep this up 😂 Back to planting potatoes for me!

[@Briathos1]

Growing your own potatoes is better anyways.

[@nonyabusinessinc]

CONSUME.

[@skydivingcomrade1648]

Food can be used to trade

[@jaretmoskal5558]

You’re a lucky man

[@or6060]

you need her permission? LMAO

[@daleparker458]

The difference in cost of ammo is why so many reload. ALL components are going up in price and availability is an issue. Reloaders have an edge because you don't have to purchase bulk ammo to get bulk ammo prices on home loaded ammo. Also you can tune a load to a particular rifle or rifles. Changing cases, primers, or powder can shrink or expand groups signficantly. Americans have been tuning loads way back to muzzleloading days. Thanks for the great video.

[@BeastJu]

Man with all the product plugs in this video I feel like I’m watching a home shopping infomercial at 1 am. I love these guys and the videos they make but damn. 😅

[@IndependentArmz]

Yeah, buy this, your gear sucks is the feeling I get everytime

[@goodcitizenactual]

@@IndependentArmz 😂 PEER PRESSURE

[@4g63mark]

FOR SURE.

[@mmaviator22]

Literally my exact thought. Like damn bro we get it, must be nice having companies through gear at you all day while we struggle to get groceries.

[@TapRackBang72]

Not to mention as a paid spokesperson, they're making BOLD claims that competitors can file FTC claims against them for. As a sponsor, I'd want these comments to be a bit less bold.

[@JosephChristopher4ever]

This is the type of shit that I’m talking about. For decades I’ve been surrounded by dudes that are always like help me out can you etc. I can count on one hand the friends that I have that I’ve actually taught me something and that I’ve learned from. in life, you have to surround yourself with people that know more than you and are willing to share what they know with you. Outstanding video Dirty. just makes me wish I had more friends like you, and Steve.

[@ericj6636]

SPR for me. Old shoulder injury + logistics makes that better than .308 for my personal circumstances. AAC 75gr ammo is the way

[@caseysmith8831]

Very quality stuff for the price especially. Which do you prefer? The 75 hp? 77? Or the 75 blacktip

[@chrisduncan440]

I run 75gr aac match alot. The only issue I have with them is it's a dirty shooting round. Quite accurate though.

[@turnerables]

@blackout.ghost718I mean no it’s not buts it’s definitely still very common. 556 and 9mm are far and away the most common calibers.

[@turnerables]

@blackout.ghost718 lol okay kid. Yes it’s all over the country and in every store but there are still far more people with 223/556 and the amount of that ammo produced each year dwarfs 308.

[@turnerables]

@blackout.ghost718 nice douchy way to admit you’re wrong.

[@elterga6224]

It’s worth mentioning that location and engagement distance should be some of your biggest factors between a dmr and spr. If you live in Kansas or Wyoming where there are high winds and extremely far sight lines, you should go with a larger caliber. If you live in North Carolina or Georgia where you can’t see 300 meters away from you, then you can justify a smaller caliber rifle. Just remember, heavier bullets are always going to be more accurate at distance than smaller bullets.

[@Big_Man__]

Absolutely true.

[@ironmikehallowween]

The 556 with a 20 inch barrel is the ticket. Thanks for the video

[@kellygibson4653]

I went with a 12.5" barrel 6.5 Grendel for my SPR. FAXON match 5R barrel and BCG. Match upper lower receiver. Scope is an Accufire ATRO-20 2.5-20x50 FFP. I have a perfect CQC platform that can also shoot accurately to 1000yds. I'm going to build a DMR 6.5 Grendel with an 18-20" barrel for dedicated ELD shooting.

[@celmer6]

I'm sold on the SPR concept and 10 years of use has been great. I love the increased accuracy and Free Float M-LOK handgaurds. My MK-12's are mod O with PRI Carbon Fiber handguards. But my 16" Faxon ultralight Match Pencil barrel is my favorite of them all. Lightweight and laser accuracy is a winning combination. All in I'm up to 7 SPR's and real world they offer precision and refinement that off the rack military grade rifles just can't provide.

[@RailRoad188]

Faxon Barrels are superb, the 18inch .223wylde gunner is very light and dead nuts accurate, sub MOA in my experience.

[@RailRoad188]

With quality match ammo of course.

[@ChemistyStudent]

@@RailRoad188 Ditto. Mine prefers ammo that's slightly on the slower side, but that's going to be different for each barrel. I was impressed when running grouping drills that my zero shift from my 77gr match ammo to m193 was only in elevation, not windage. Faxon makes great stuff!

[@petebailey2551]

To me the choice between a lighter SPR vs a heavier DMR comes down to the purpose. If you foresee picking a fixed defensive position or an overwatch position, the harder hitting DMR is it. If you plan on being mobile, covering distance, moving quickly or multi tasking such as clearing a building, the SPR makes more sense.

[@kananisha]

Have one of each, especiallyin a team. The companion rifle concept.

[@LRRPFco52]

Lost count of 5.56 blasters, have owned 7 different AR-10s, but the ones I shoot the most for this are my 6.5 Grendels. I shoot 12" and 17.6"/18" Grendels the most. I haven't shot my 22" or 16" Grendels in years. Haven't shot the AR-10s in years.

[@Woodland_Warrior]

@@LRRPFco52.308 or 6.5 creedmoor is the way

[@breckfreeride]

​@@Woodland_Warrior 30hate and 6.5 aren't in the same class... 1/2 the recoil means 1/2 the energy.

[@Woodland_Warrior]

@@breckfreeride If you want one for a standard 5.56 sized lower, then 6ARC is probably the best option. If you are looking at an AR10 sized lower, then 6.5 creedmoor or .308.

[@chrisduncan440]

​@@breckfreerideI run 6.5cm in bolt and AR platform. I have never had an antelope, white tail, or mule deer tell me that 6.5cm sucks.

[@vik12D]

Shine is the EASIEST thing to find, with shine, shadow, shape, etc. I see people with a killflash on the optic, but nothing on their light, RMR, etc. Glad you pointed it out.

[@jackmorrow427]

WHEN I WAS YOUNGER 18" 5.56 SPR WAS MY GO TO . NOW BEING OLD A STATIC 308 IS MY CHOICE. I STILL HAVE MY TOOLS FROM YOUTH BUT BEING OLDER AND SLOWER WISDOM AND STEALTH ADOPTION IS A NECESSITY.....

[@geraldalsup560]

Well spoken brother.

[@SmithandWessonBlazer]

Just took my DD RIS3 14.5 and 1-8 ATACR out to 1K yards Friday on a full size silhouette. (Wind played nice.) Yesterday shot my first Quantified Performance match and got a 2nd round hit at 856 yards. Its amazing where we're at now with modern optics, tools, and manufacturing processes.

[@jkellyid]

Spr, dmr, sas. Love the role differences between them.

[@johnw4999]

I built out my Geissele SD 16-in rifle in to a “SPR..” it is an absolute tack driver with MK-262! The Schmit & Bender Dual CC 1-8 is fantastic. The mid length gas system and Surefire SOCOM is a gentle shooter. Unfortunately, my range is only 400 yds., but capable of sub .5 MOA to that distance. If I need to shoot further, I’ll use my Falkor Defense Petra… it’s a .25 MOA rig. I have an Sig 716i that I’m considering building out in to a SPR/Battle rifle like my modified SCAR 17 is. So many juicy choices! Have fun and keep shooting!

[@davidsirmons]

Diggin' that scruff, 100/100. And I split the rifle difference: I just make all mine DSPMR "disp-murrs".

[@douglastice302]

I’ve got 1 inch groups with a .20 inch PSA rifle, 556 77grain other from aac. I’d also talk about reliability, big frame ar style rifles tend to be finicky with ammo where most 5.56 rounds feed in any ar. With my big frame ars I tend to have to run heavy grain bullets for better cycling. Best thing about it you can build up with PSA.

[@shockwave6213]

My PTR-91 (JLD model with Wilson match 1 in 12 barrel) is getting consistent 1.5 inch groups with M80 ball and 168 grain match ammo gets me sub-MOA accuracy all day every day. I've shot some actual M118 175 grain sniper ammo out of it with accuracy on par with the 168 grain ammo, but I only had 1 box, so its not a fair comparison. But 4 out of 5 holes were touching in one of the 4 groups out of that box

[@steelwill4170]

This video really makes me appreciate the MR762 and M110a1. My MR762 loves M80 ball, combine that with a good 2.5-10x scope and ive had no problem reaching out to 700 yards. Factoring in price and availablity of m80 vs 77grain and the 308 DMR gets my vote every day of the week

[@user-fm2ke6kd3d]

Good to hear ammo selection being talked about which I find is very uncommon in alot of these type of videos. However I think terminal ballistics need to be discussed more in the community.

[@duncasaur5074]

i prefer DMRs because of where I live and i've had a lot more time with 308 hunting rifles before really getting into firearms and taking the 2nd Amendment more seriously my favorite is the SCAR but there's some other good options like the Seekins, LMT, or MR762 i think 556 sucks in the rolling hills and high winds of where I live in Pennsylvania i think a 300 blackout or 556 Shorty for 300yrds and in and a good 308 to bridge the gap between close and long range and maybe having a 300 win mag, 338 Lapua, or something similar for a dedicated long range/precision rifle if you feel its needed and worth the investment but that's just my opinion and im a nobody so you do what you thinks best for you but personally I don't trust 556 to punch thru the wind here if my life depended on it

[@Super-Kuper]

You guys make me feel WAY better about my own shooting. 220m is a chip shot, can’t imagine missing a 6in plate at that distance let alone a silhouette

[@Mournful3ch0]

To be fair, that LMT hates M80 even more than mine does - my rifle gets 4.5 MOA consistently. Even M118 wasn't great for that LMT...

[@masterhacker7065]

​@@Mournful3ch0im not sure thats always the firearm... Some of the shots these dudes had were actually dogshit

[@robertjordan4755]

In the past few days, I have seen a few youtubers covering this subject. I am glad to see that not only I believe in the MK12 and MK18 have a place in the citizens' defense realm. I personally have an 18" and 12.5 and love them both.

[@oliverallen5324]

Most of gunfighting is outmaneuvering while the enemy is pinned under suppressing fire. And, artillery. 5.56 is better at cover & move. It’s a team sport and intermediate wins the logistics game every time. Enjoyed the gear walkthrough.

[@robertgoodrich8953]

That is very true if you have select fire and infinite ammo supply. That leaves out the majority of civilians. I already did my time on active duty

[@alanstillwell4644]

You guys literally create video's about what is on the mind's of the serious civilian/minutemen in this country. And you manage to do it over and over. Well done!

[@jackpinesavagemn]

I just started playing with a 16" Ruger SFAR. Only 200 rounds through it so far, but I'm liking it.

[@nickcitron2369]

Got one, too, like so far! Best of both worlds!

[@calvinruggles732]

My $.02? It comes down to mobility. If you are at some kind of a hard point with either reliable resupply, or a lot of cached ammo, a DMR is a fantastic tool. The terminal ballistics advantage outweigh the disadvantage of massive weight and heavy ammo. If you have to be on the move on foot, and you have to carry all your ammo on body, the lighter weight SPR is the ticket

[@timmy622]

One of my first full builds was my 18" 5.56 with a 1-6 LPVO. I absolutely love the thing, but need some real range time with different ammunition for testing like you guys did. I've also been considering a 16" .308 build, but wanted to do research on .308 ballistics before making that decision. Love the video!!

[@Mournful3ch0]

The ballistics inside 500 yards is quite comparable. However, at any given range, the 308 has double the energy and mass - Out of a 16" barrel, a 308 hits at 450 yards with the energy of a 5.56 at the muzzle. I have a 16.5" 308 and have fawned over longer barreled uppers for years, but the fact of the matter is that they are not necessarily more accurate and only shine past 500 yards

[@Scarfac377]

I went the route of a 16" SPR and got a 6.5 Grendel upper to fill the role of a DMR with a receiver/mag change.

[@allanjarnagin3540]

.308 is the minimum gp cartridge where I live. State wind average is 13mph, county average is 20, 90 is not unheard of.

[@Moneypit_Adventures]

I run a Esstac Split Bushboar 7.62. It can hold 6 AR10 or AR15 mags. Plus I mounted two additional kiwis on the front for a total of (6) 25rd and (2) 20rd mags.

[@danielsaxon2206]

Aw man don’t be ragging on the S&W MP-15. I’ve had one for like 10 years and last weekend for a bachelor party was hitting a 3ft target consistently at 600m with a Holosun red dot. Love that thing.

[@benericson4445]

The slow motion shots of the DMR really capture the concussion well

[@reubadoob]

15:06 Hold up. You essentially state you didn’t bring the correct barrel length for each respective rifles job (SPR/DMR). So what is the point of this video if the base weapon system is incorrect other than clickbait?

[@jayellgee]

Because LMT sent them a rifle and videos now need to be made? Likely a part of it. Creators have to maintain momentum to keep the algorithms on their side, especially with something like 2A content on KZbin. I’m all for the pro 2A content and this channel’s production quality is very good… but I felt the same way when they did the video about “buy once, cry once, buy nice stuff” as they introduced LMT rifles that were gifted to them. It’s just a factor to keep in mind. I have always liked those large framed LMT’s, hopefully I can get behind one some day.

[@steelwill4170]

To be fair 16 inches is the new Army Standard fot DMRs I.E. the M110a1 DMR and CSASS rifles, however 14.5 for an SPR is a new one to me lol

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

Mine is a 20” AR15 in 6.5 Grendel with a. 2-10 and an RMR at 12:00 so it’s both. Took it through a couple mid range rifle courses and one long range course. I was able to out compete most people using 308 and 6.5 creedmore bolt guns.

[@CrAZymAn-Eh]

As a competition PRS shooter the skill gap here is important to mention. A skilled shooter will be more accurate on a .308 or 6.5 bolt gun than you can be on a semi-auto in every distance. Of course I would bet money on an experienced shooter with a semi VS. an inexperienced shooter with a bolt gun but that doesn't mean the semi is best for mid-long range competitive shooting.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

@@CrAZymAn-Eh were talking about practical shooting. A good semi auto rifle is way more accurate in practical scenarios than any shooter. My rifle in a lead sled strapped down can get sub half MOA all day. I can’t, but my rifle can. I am certain less than 1% of prs shooters could be that accurate constantly in practical shooting at distance.

[@CrAZymAn-Eh]

@@Heywoodthepeckerwood gotcha, you’re one of those guys that thinks his semi auto is as accurate as a bolt gun lol. I don’t know what you define as practical shooting but you said you compete with bolt guns in mid range and even one long range course….. so you must’ve been shooting with beginners or not truly mid-long range. I would say PRS is as close to real life or “practical” shooting as it’ll get for mid-long range shooting. That being said there’s a reason you don’t see semi’s in the sport as bolt guns dominate in the 300-1200 yard range. In other words, I can HIT targets faster than you can past 300 yards.

[@Heywoodthepeckerwood]

@@CrAZymAn-Eh you clearly can’t read. So carry on

[@racerdude888]

A DMR is a DMR when the guy holding it is a DM. Great content as usual

[@elterga6224]

Yeah, people tend to forget anyone can be a “designated marksman”. DMs are about target precedence and providing fire support from a sbf. People conflate it with a .308 w/ magnifier because of the m110.

[@HLDefender]

SHTF = Low caloric intake. Low water intake. Less sleep. Increased STRESS (exponentially) . The lighter SPR is the first choice if high energy on target isn't a necessity.

[@ethanmitchell3439]

Josh “KZbin already hates this vid…” Steve “Hold my beer, brrrrrrt” 😂

[@DCHart07]

I'm from Franklin County, Tennessee, I gotta say I love yalls videos. I've been binging them

[@darionpeters9531]

Really glad someone made this video. Nice.

[@Simple_Youtube]

My .308: Heavy and accurate. Top match grade ammo. Can hit long ranges. Load out is heavy, so shots need to count due to carrying less ammo. No so mobile. My 556: more direct action. Lighter, more ammo, less accurate. Very mobile. Shorter range. More viable in urban environments.

[@CyclicMac]

10:33 it seems like these guys go to one class and then make a video teaching people how to do it. This guy just talks about how to make weapons more accurate and then shoots a group the size of a milk jug.

[@shalehausler4383]

Yes, but I appreciate that. I have a couple rifles that ar sub minute with one type of ammo, and are 5 minute with another kind. No idea why, but it does happen, and other videos are not honest about that. This one is at least honest.

[@elterga6224]

Thats exactly what happens, I like these guys most of the time, but they can be the long length version of those gear queers like Johnny q or Elliot delp that you see on KZbin shorts. Also these guys have way too many sponsorships to be taken at face value.

[@LONEWOLF_LCD]

I concur, I have a few very similar to Steve’s gun(in fact I have a 12.5” build using his rail and a Criterion core barrel) I’ve built a few AR’s using the Criterion Core barrels. Three are sub min guns all day with 77gr OTM’s and have reached over 1k consistently, but throw some 55 gr and try to group, it looks like buckshot depending on the ammo

[@biggwigg338]

DC has all the best sponsors now! Congrats on making such a cool channel.

[@dbchillin7747]

I think in today's modern world, iron sights are severely neglected! Great video!

[@terrarecon]

As a former Marine Corps PMI, I wholeheartedly concur!

[@tubeguy4066]

Try to use a dmr for its intended purpose with irons lol

[@terrarecon]

@@tubeguy4066 That's not his point, I doubt he was referring to iron sights in a DMR role. I know he didn't elaborate on it, but most people don't even train with iron sights at all. No point in having back-ups if people don't train on them.

[@mrcloudd1056]

I recently purchased a semi-budget 20" 6.5 Grendel AR-15 with a DMR set up. $1,200 for the base build. $1,000 For peripherals. I say semi-budget because it definitely isn't cheap but you could spend a lot more if you wanted to. The grouping is really good and I am not a very experienced shooter. The groups are much better than the riffles in this video while using low end ammo. I love the accuracy. The downside is that it has problems feeding with many magazines. I haven't had any problems with Dura-mag. Also, it is heavier than a 5.56 build and ammo is expensive. I got my practice ammo for 78 cents a round and my "good" ammo for $1.40 a round. Defiantly has me interested in hand loading.

[@ThatMurse]

20 inch PSA vs 14.5 Geissle URGI would be an insane video super interested on what the difference would be

[@wilkinsonfamily3342]

Very happy with my 99% correct PRI Mk12 Mod0. That Douglas barrel is an absolute hammer but ammo choice is VERY important. Not so good for anything involving an intermediate barrier that requires a high level of precision, but that’s the nature of the beast. I’m building out another upper for that rifle in 6.5 Grendel that will bridge the gap before I pull a bolt gun in either 6.5 PRC or 300WM.

[@dylanchristensen3072]

Love the video though one thing i would recommend, make videos about getting into shape. Your body is the best tool you own.

[@EathenRice]

Yes. Like "prappard citizen fitness program"

[@bwhiting729]

Solid video guys, I just finished my SPR build and went with the Leupold MK5 HD 2-10

[@stupidityonly478]

My favorite trex content!

[@joey_cola]

Glad you guys are getting those channel sponsors. Most underrated channel on youtube. Also, excellent production quality.

[@anthonysurrency7134]

This video made me very glad i have my 75gr otms

[@breckfreeride]

62gr or 55 for the rest of us... Still don't see the need when I have a 30hate...

[@anthonysurrency7134]

@@breckfreeride I'm getting minute or better groups at 600 with my hand loads from a 16" BA match

[@breckfreeride]

@blackout.ghost718 given that 30hate is much cheaper than 77gr 556... The choice is easy

[@dustinburish7969]

I have an LWRCI first gen REPR that IS sub MOA at 100 yards and IS MOA at 400 yards with basic AF optic if you want to borrow. It’s not Elk season yet! 👍

[@ckoritko]

Love my LWRC SPR, too. Can’t beat it. Glad I spent the extra cash for quality.

[@phrankus2009]

In terms of SAWC, a .223/5.56 can host a 22LR Rimfire conversion kit AND, also, take AR-9 uppers OR, an operator might just carry a folding (or retractable) brace, for a Glock, a Sig, or clones, of such sidearms. That is three, light and compact, short arms, which ensure mobility, endurance, capacity, and mission-flex, all around.

[@redline870]

Dang that 55gr group sucked especially considering it was out of a 1:8 twist .223 wylde chambered rifle. That’s pretty far from what I would consider “accurized”. Most if not all of my 1:7 twist 5.56 CHF barreled guns shoot M193 significantly better, and my 1:8 twist .223 wylde 18” stainless gun shoots M193 consistently into 1.25-1.75” 5 round groups.

[@austindecker7643]

It’s a ploy to get people to buy more expensive 77 or 69 grain ammo so they can get cheap ammmo

[@DominicZelenak]

I thought the same. There are a lot of videos with rifles that have Criterion barrels that shoot poorly. I'm starting to think they are snake oil.

[@matthewminch5894]

@@DominicZelenak I built an 18" SPR with a Ballistic Advantage and stag arms upper receiver parts and it shoots .75-1" with whatever i put through it. The groups in this video are pretty sorry.

[@elterga6224]

It’s definitely mostly shooter error, you can tell which guys actually get out there and shoot vs which guys just like to build

[@redline870]

@@matthewminch5894that’s really surprising to hear out of ballistic advantage

[@indigenousiron7692]

A Chinese type 63 chest rig can have you walking around with six 7.62 mags from any battle rifle. If you order one from China, it'll be unissued and the the mags will have a tight fit. Shove your mags in the cells and leave them to stretch the cells out. Use this process on the grenade pouches on both sides as well. Pmags will be and tight fit, especially with grenade pouches.

[@thebattlefieldhistorian8990]

I really liked this video and your production quality is top notch. My only complaint is that neither of the rifles you used fit the criteria of a DMR and SPR, namely due to barrel length. The .308 in the video has a shorter than average barrel for that caliber, and a 5.56 with a 14.5 inch barrel is not just the standard length of a military carbine but, as we all know, for civilians legally a short barreled rifle (pinned and welded muzzle device notwithstanding). So, I feel that the video expertly addressed some of the practical differences and considerations between the platforms as a whole, but didn't provide a fair test of true DMR and SPR capabilities, especially with the long range accuracy (which is kind of the point of the platforms and the video). I know you address this in the Closing Thoughts part of the video, and I really appreciate the straight talk, but I felt like it was a bit of a bait and switch with the title to the actual guns. I'd love to see this concept explored further, and with rifles that more closely align with the DMR and SPR concepts. Thanks!

[@dcskating08]

This is an insanely dumb take. The best SPR shooters in the world are shooting 14.5-16 inch rifles. No one cares what the military uses. They’ve never kept up with the civ market.

[@thebattlefieldhistorian8990]

@@dcskating08 You can disagree, but it is not a dumb take. As they acknowledge in the video, DMRs and SPRs are traditionally longer barrel rifles. Perhaps the most iconic SPR is the Mk12, which has an 18-inch barrel. As for no one caring what the military uses, the entire DMR and SPR concepts ARE military in origin. The hypotheticals discussed in this video draw upon a military-style application, too. So, to say that what the military uses in regards to a military concept is dumb is, well, itself dumb.

[@DD-hz3ts]

​​​@@thebattlefieldhistorian8990the Mk12 at 18" has been dead as a concept in the special forces for over a decade. The last Mk12 iteration that was taken off the rack in SOCOM was the Mod H, which is a *16"* barrel. They stopped using those circa 2010 because when they put those same bipods and optics on the Block II it did the same damn things (the accuracy difference was negligible), hence the NSW Block II DMR and all related systems. These days they use the URGI 14.5 for the same tasks, same concept applies. There is NO specification or demand for an "SPR" because ANY free floated 14.5" rifle is capable of 1-1.5 moa and sufficient velocity for reasonable drop holds, which is already enough to strike an A zone torso target at 600m, the original requirement to begin with. Likewise, the .308 is at 14.5" because it follows the trend of the SASS rifles also using shorter barrels for better mobility with suppressors, which is not only well documented in the M110K-series (currently at M110K7, a 14.5" 6.5 CM) but in a formal big Army contract called CSASS that called for a 16" .308 instead of a 20" one for identical reasons. You are the one behind the times.

[@thebattlefieldhistorian8990]

@@DD-hz3ts Good point about the Mk12 Mod H barrel being 16 inches. But that is still longer than the 14.5 inch barrel used in this video. I don't disagree with you that the SPR concept as originally developed (a receiver or rifle with a slightly longer barrel for long range applications) is a bit outdated. But it still exists, and the SPR concept is generally understood to incorporate a longer barrel, which was--again--acknowledged by the guys in this very video. If we say that an SPR can be any 5.56 rifle capable of 1-1.5 MOA, regardless of barrel length, then the concept of a "Special purpose" receiver or rifle truly is extinct, because that can be ANY or potentially EVERY 5.56 rifle. It becomes a title without a mechanical or technical distinction. An off-the-rack 16 inch Palmetto State AR can now be an SPR if a person can shoot it well. At that point, this video then would be, or should be, simply "5.56 carbine vs .308 carbine."

[@DD-hz3ts]

@@thebattlefieldhistorian8990 and that is absolutely correct, SPR as a concept IS dead. The Mk12 had to use a heavy barrel to throw 77s accurately because we lacked the metallurgy to reduce barrel whip but you can see IN THIS VIDEO'S COMMENT SECTION that people are using faxon pencils to do this, which already disqualifies the Mk12's design concept. 16" does have some velocity advantage but 1.5" is not much of a difference in handling. Yes 14.5" is used by the military for this role but it's due to logistics more than anything. They would use 16" if it didn't require an entirely new TDP for marginal drop benefit, just like how civilians would use 14.5" if the NFA didn't exist. 14.5" and 16" are functionally interchangeable and have been since 16" ARs were first marketed. And yes, it is 5.56 carbine with 3-18x or whatever vs .308 carbine with 3-18x or whatever instead of SPR vs SPR. Hell the M110K7 is doctrinally a *SASS* (semi auto sniper system) and NOT a DMR in SOCOM. DMR doesn't exist to SOCOM because their squads need more capability than the 2-3 moa standard that both the US army and USMC had for EBRs and EMRs.

[@mattk6827]

Another consideration for smaller calibers like 223/556 over 7.62/308 if it's a true shtf situation, availability. Not just for purchase, if it were to come down to finding additional ammo, splitting/sharing ammo etc seems 556/223 might be slightly more common, easier to come by. If it were a true shtf scenario doubtful resale places will all be up and running or have stock. If the rifle can't stay fed it's just a paperweight.

[@floppa1819]

My fav demolitionranch content!!!1

[@elterga6224]

That’s not fair to demo ranch 😂

[@lets-get-itgaming8075]

As a purveyor of the ar10 chassis I found that the beez combat systems 308 chest rig can hold 6 Pmags across the chest comfortably. I have the split rig and cram 6 20rnd 308 mags on comfortably.

[@Engineeringpreparedness86]

I enjoyed the video. But, the rifles’ accuracy were not impressive at all. That LMT was not grouping well, irrespective of the ammo. Not even the ripcord rifle did well. I expected more if that’s what his company does for a living.

[@rdgray169]

Don’t blame the manufacturers, these guys just can’t shoot for shit. They tried so hard to explain away the poor accuracy

[@corypatterson5174]

True ! And I don’t know if you know much about LMT, but that shit ain’t cheap, they are PROUD of their products. 😅

[@rdgray169]

@@corypatterson5174 LMT is one of my favorite brands. Theres really no excuse for those groups. My Colt 6940 will do under an inch at 100yrds with 77gr ammo. Hell, my pos zastava .308 AK will even get 1-2inch groups…

[@BR54966]

In the Army our M16A2 could constantly hit accurately at 500M with iron sights. I became a Weapons Squad Ldr to thus using M60 hitting accurately to 600M and walking in to 1100M . Now retired I love my Socom 16

[@frankopanklaric]

If you are going to shoot past 400 yards why not have the bullet that can pack a punch? If you shooting withing 400 yards do you really need the fancy ammo, barrel and scope? In short, why build an SPR in 5.56 for martial application. Put an acog or LPVO on a 16 inch rifle and call it a day.

[@JustADude545]

An SPR is a great set up. 556 is cheaper than 308. You can carry more 556 than 308. Which means if you need to use suppressive fire you can. If you need to shoot 20-200 yards you can. If you need to shoot 600 yards you can. The spr and dmr are both important, but I think the spr is more versatile.

[@dsrrecordsent]

20” HBAR chambered in 5.56NATO is the working man’s SPR/Optic/light/bipod is optional&a force multiplier👌

[@frankopanklaric]

@@dsrrecordsent I think every ar15 should have a heavy barrel profile.

[@dsrrecordsent]

@@frankopanklaric Not all! If we’re talking accuracy, rate of fire or range than an HBAR is a super + but there is an AR for everything!

[@LONEWOLF_LCD]

Love me some LMT goodness. Built a MARS H 20” 6.5 CM and it shoots lights out, but not rucking that around

[@Jackal19x]

Babe wake up, DirtyCiv is talkin bout cool rifles again!

[@eamonnholland5343]

I prefer 5.56 purely from a budget and weight standpoint. I can get my AR15 to shoot 1 MOA well past 200 yards with 55gr M193, using a cheaper end $250 18" Faxon barrel with an Aero Precision build, and a mid range Vortex scope. 55gr ammo is cheap and plentiful, and right now on AmmoSeek is running about 40c/round. Depending on the source tester, an 18" barrel can make M193 tumble out to 150-200 yards, but the rifle is capable of hitting a head sized target out to 300 yards, so tumble isn't necessary.

[@whocares502]

Minute men get a good AR and then use a hunting rifle as your dmr. Save some money

[@Chase_Crawford]

Or just use your AR10 as a hunting rifle so it's dual purpose and gives you better proficiency

[@KToll5784]

@@Chase_CrawfordJust have both. Savage Axis is cheap.

[@erlandsnowman3756]

@@KToll5784 and for a reason. mine light-struck 2/3 primers last time i took it out. should have splurged and gotten myself something better

[@KToll5784]

@@erlandsnowman3756 You get what you pay for, and Savage Axis is worth the price.

[@atibbs103]

You guys are seriously pumping out some great content.

[@BenDrenkin]

The party that runs out of ammunition first…. Loses. Both rifles are important, but shot selection is key

[@boygonewhoopdataZZ]

People are still stuck in the SOG days... SMH. Optics have made ammunition redundant.

[@nookied3735]

​@boygonewhoopdataZZ lol, wut?

[@thinkingcashew6]

@@nookied3735 You can account for drop pretty damn well and loads have gotten significantly better unless its just strait better (6.5cm for example for long ranges) for the application wildcat cartriges kinda dont have a place for a civilian ammo abundance and time on trigger are far more important.

[@BenDrenkin]

@blackout.ghost718I have to disagree with you. It happens in all types of situations. Everywhere from the urban warfare to the civilian protecting their person or property. If you exhaust all your munitions before I do…. You lose.

[@nookied3735]

@@BenDrenkin It's not going to do any good. High speed ultra operator blackout ghost already has it all figured out, lol.

[@Roadtrip53]

Excellent. While reloading standard range grade ammo doesn't save that much cost anymore, reloading the heavier (77g etc.) bullets to match grade standards does save a lot. And you can experiment with loads to find out which load your particular barrel likes best.

[@therainydayshooter2973]

Talking about lapping the receiver but Can’t even constantly hit 500 😂

[@elterga6224]

Guys who train > guys who talk about training

[@-Zevin-]

When talking DMR it's always worth going back to its roots. The Soviets invented the DMR concept and utilized designated marksmen with optics during WW2 at the squad level. They then invented the first purpose built DMR rifle the SVD dragunov in 7.62x54r. So while many people definitely think AR-10 and .308 when talking DMR, it's worth mentioning the original DMR and where the entire concept came from with the SVD and it's original illuminated BDC reticle scope which was very advanced for the time. The USA recognizing a smart concept copied the DMR role at the squad level.

[@_considerations]

DC drops DMR video 😒😒😒me ”pulls credit card out “

[@NickJonesFilms]

No, no don’t do that lol.

[@jameschilton20]

Love all your work. Thank you for educating so many people on important topics. The time is drawing near. Would love to see a video of you piecing together different kits, rigs and bags from all the excess and random nylon and extra gear you have laying around. Be good to have for backups or extra people who show up. Also on the followup video to this include a 16" too. Something super common like an S&W Sport with a mid level optic. Something most people have or could easily build out.

[@ivcxmcm5967]

Pausing your militia LARP because it started to rain is the most comically self-unaware things I’ve seen in a while, borderline comedy skit.

[@dirty-civilian]

Yeah, we shoulda let the rain scramble 10k in recording equipment. Good call. 🤙

[@ivcxmcm5967]

@@dirty-civilian I don’t think you’re making the point you think you’re making but you’re definitely reinforcing mine. You don’t have to be this weird about guns. You don’t have to pretend you’re doing anything other than indulging in a hobby via consumerism, you don’t have to give it lore over Gladiator clips pretending you’re doing something noble or important. There are no shortage of important, noble things that need to be done; cosplaying operator isn’t one of those things.

[@elterga6224]

Fr, it’s a missed opportunity to go over shooting distance in adverse conditions, but judging how terrible their groupings were, I can tell all they do is mag dump trash anyway.

[@KToll5784]

@@ivcxmcm5967You’re doing noble important things? Do tell.

[@MitchellTilley]

17:57 I have a 20” PSA AR10 that I’d happily bring up for testing.

[@davidbowman8962]

Great content man! I like the compromise of (one of) my SPRs in a 6.5 Grendel in that I can get nearly .308 ballistics and energy on the target with, but still carry a poop-ton of ammunition like the 5.56. The only downside is that I am going to be stocking up and possibly reloading (if necessary) on something that won’t likely be a “battlefield pickup” for resupply. Looking forward to part 2 with the battle of Affordable vs. Gucci!

[@EricVernor]

I have multiple in 5.56 varying barrel lengths (12.5 suppressed, 12.5 , 16inch, a 16 inch 6.5 Grendel, and 3 in .308....M1A, AR10 with XTN night vision and suppressed bolt gun. Each has their specialized use.

[@NormieWeimarican]

I bought this rad orange rocker 32 amp today. Used at guitar center for 782$. Sick AF amp. Damn good deal. The amp is solid.

[@chris.t1629]

Good video, but way too many sponsorships spread across the video. 8min in and still hearing about different companies. For me personally it tends to pull me out of the content

[@Tinker.Studio]

You could start contributing a couple thousand dollars a month to offset that.

[@chris.t1629]

They can also just compress the ads into a 2 minute window instead of Truman Showing it.

[@nathanmack4411]

Agreed, have always been a fan of the channel but the ads are getting ridiculous

[@AndrewTPewPew]

Agreed

[@brianthomas1940]

​@nathanmack4411 complaining about this when they help pay for him to run the channel is what's ridiculous. It's his sponsors. And all of y'all are whining over them merely mentioning products throughout the video, they're not really even ads but youtube forces you to watch ads and commercials to watch ANYONE'S video on here.

[@someonethatisachristian]

hmm.... reading about the standard AR10 we know as S&W M&P10 which is light weight and insanely accurate stock from factory. That is the route i would go.

[@Ovokor]

This conversation is less about the rifle than it is the cartridge. Rifle is just the delivery of the job being done by the round. What we are discussing is the individual is being hopefully undetected doing maximum damage as quickly as possible. A job that would be for the DMR is one shot incapacitation of a driver or a mounted machine gunner. 556 is strong with friends within 150 yards, 308 is strong out to about 500 yards. There is some factors not mentioned here that play a great deal of importance. 1. Mass has inertia which means there is less deviation if having to shoot through a curved windshield 168 grain and up is best for this task. 2. 1 shot = aware but not detected 2 shots they have general area and 3= is pinpointed if you can do the same job but have an easier ability to extract yourself why make it harder? DMR never shoot more than twice from the same spot. 3. The most lethal part of a gun fight is within the first magazine and as someone who does not have military resupply against a foreign entity maximize your limited resources for max lethality. Hit and Run not stay and fight to die.

[@terrarecon]

Well stated. Even as a Marine, this is my philosophy. I no longer have the support of Marine battalion. So, as a private citizen now, this is my mantra.

[@Big_Man__]

Exactly this.

[@charlesludwig9173]

The original DMR was built by the USAMU, essentially a match conditioned M16A4, virtually identical to the rifle brought to the firing line of US Service Rifle Competition with two exceptions. First the DMR was fitted with a DDM4 free float railed handguard and second, SS Douglas 1/8 twist 20 inch barrel a full one inch diameter under hand-guard, flutted to reduce weight. The front sight base was fitted to barrel with 5/64 set screws instead of taper pins. The barrel was painted with Home Depot Black Barbecue Grill paint. These rifles could easily shoot into a half MOA from Mk262 with irons or ACOG TA-31F field expedient scope. Oh, two stage KAC trigger too. Later, the CMP loaned the USAMU with similar DMRs built by Armalite but barrels were not flutted. These rifles were used for SDM Training at Ft. Benning. Now the big surprise most training was conducted using rack grade M4’s which when shooting Mk262 could usually hold a minute at 600 meters when shot by a shooter who did not sleep during wind and weather effects class. At any rate, for anyone today, White Oak or other builder serving Service Rifle Competitors can put together a pretty authentic DMR and the big plus is it will comply to US Service Rifle Competition Rules. It’s Service Rifle Competition that inspires the highest level of marksmanship development and that’s a better direction to take than just making the gun a safe queen. This is my perspective as a Squad Designated Marksman Instructor.

[@-Zevin-]

The original DMR is the SVD Dragunov , the USA copied the concept. Nothing wrong with copying btw, just pointing that out.

[@LiterateDuck]

I miss the days when we just had guns and didn’t care about who made them. Every GunTuber who loves to talk about their $3k LMT rifle always follows it up with “thanks to LMT/whoever for sending this to us” - Yeah of course “we like shooting nice guns” when you don’t have to pay for them.

[@dirty-civilian]

If you understood the work, you’d know that everything ends up being paid for tenfold. 🤙

[@greenLB90]

A lmt dmr without an optic is closer to 4k. Add optic , bipod, mount, red dot and piggyback mount , suppressor you’re looking more like 10k

[@SmithandWessonBlazer]

Stop and think about how much money, time, and energy was invested in making this channel before LMT recognized they could be a good representative of the brand. There is no such thing as free.

[@katiesims3075]

That wasn’t his point. His point is that the majority of us will not ever have the opportunity to shoot that tier of rifle. So to vaguely say this is a channel for the American domain to become dirty civilians but to out price us by showing off expensive rifles may run people the wrong way.

[@katiesims3075]

In my opinion, there’s a disconnect between KZbin gun channels and the public. There’s is not as much attention given to what it takes to take the budget equipment someone has and upgrade it so it can get peoples foot in the door. Maybe dirty civilians next video can be taking a cheap ar-15/ar-10 and upgrading it in a cost affordable way that would get us in the world of SPRs and DMRs

[@jasongaudreau2075]

Without ever knowing any of this….i guess I’ve built myself an spr!? First 5.56 purchase was a 12.5” example. I’ve built a 16” upper (parts orderable and shippable without ffl) with a different rail and an lpvo vs dot on the 12. It’s very accurate at distance. And I carry both complete uppers and single complete lower in a single case. Either ready to go at any moment.

[@caseysmith8831]

Very cool of Charlie to Have a guest appearance. Wish he would have brought a rake. He probably would have fit in character better if he wore his glasses.

[@devin62845]

6 ARC is looking like the answer IMO great video and thanks for the info

[@ride0RgetR0DE0n]

Keep in mind that as a civilian there’s almost no reason to shoot at that distance. If you find yourself taking fire at 500yrds your 9 times out of 10 better off retreating.

[@thecaliforniamaniac]

Nice video, had a lot of good points. I don’t have a ton of experience, but I feel when comparing 556 to 308. Yes, cost-effectiveness and the amount of ammo you can carry goes to the 556 but what really wasn’t mentioning in the video, was stopping power and penetration.

[@USMC6169]

I just saw a YT video where two shooters, one ex navy seal (a real one with combat exp) and the YT guy shot from 600 yards , 700,800,900 to 1000 yards on a ballistic gel dummy with a 5.56 with 77 gr bullets. They were lethal hits out to 1000 yards. It’s doable.

[@elterga6224]

“Stopping power” isn’t a factor in almost every situation at long range. If it puts a hole in the right spot, they’re dying either way.

[@thecaliforniamaniac]

@@elterga6224 a sub MOA gun at 500 yards still has 5 inches of deviation and that’s if your aim is on. If your aim is off I would imagine a bigger bullet makes a significant difference in non vital hits.

[@elterga6224]

@@thecaliforniamaniac this how people who’ve never been shot at think. Even with a bigger bullet, a hit in the non vital regions isn’t going to put someone out of commission. We’re splitting hairs when it comes to terminal ballistics at distance, it really doesn’t matter as long as it has enough energy and ballistic dynamics to punch a hole through someone. It’s almost as if you think that getting shot, even in a non lethal region, won’t do anything to the target, bullets hurt, even with adrenaline and adrenaline doesn’t help at 300+ meters. This is almost as dumb as the “.22lr isn’t lethal” argument, it’s still a bullet and it can still kill you.

[@thecaliforniamaniac]

@@elterga6224you’ve been shot at?

[@0bserver416]

This comment is sacrificed to algorithm gods.

[@TROY-MCCLURE-1991]

Steve looks swoller than last time

[@SOLveteran111]

DMR, SPR, GPR, rifle best suited for close quarters, and an LMG. That is enough to set up some good squad roles

[@kumakaroshi117]

The grass in the background is super green, great lawn care

[@Solidbuilthomes]

I would like to see a part 2 and dive a little deeper into spr vs dmr. I'd love to see you put rounds through a ham shoulder at 400 yards with each and compare the damage. My spr is an 18" Faxon heavy fluted Match grade barrel. 223 wylde and gets 6" groups at 600 yards with 77gr federal smk. My DMR is 18" custom Bartlein barrel turned by Craddock Precision. Heavy profile with spiral flutes. Geissele SD-E trigger, Superlative arms adjustable gas block, 5.6 oz buffer tube, APA Fat Bastard Gen3 muzzle brake.... shoots sub MOA at 600 yards with federal 150 gr smk.... the DMR is running a Vortex Razor HD LHT 4.5-22X50

[@elterga6224]

The difference between an spr and a dmr is pretty simple. An spr is a rifle that takes the standard cartridge afforded to the unit and extends the range and accuracy. A dmr is a rifle that is carried by a designated marksman. An spr can be an dmr if that’s what the dm is using. Designed marksmen are about target precedence and fire support, to the best of my knowledge, an spr can be placed on an assault squad. Source - I’m an sdm in the army