5.7x28 VS .22 Magnum!...Hornady Critical Defense AMMO Ballistic Gel Test & Review!

Head to head matchup between a couple of Critical Defense rounds. Which one is really the better choice? Heavy clothing ballistic gel test using a Palmetto State Armory Rock 5.7 and Walther WMP!
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[@MaxnRudy]

15 years of hunting all game (no bear) in West Virginia here. .22 magnum from the Marlin rifle was absolutely the bomb. But I have bought a Ruger 57×28 pistol and it does great. Have to lean toward the .22 mag due to price and availability. Thanks for the great video!

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@misteraustralian3335]

Where in WV mate I live in Cross Lanes love it

[@The_Conspiracy_Analyst]

Marlin 25M?

[@dannyp2267]

@@misteraustralian3335mineral County here, Fort Ashby.

[@keithdaniels5918]

Was in Academy last night….not one box of 5.7. Fair assortment of mag. Sad.

[@davidjernigan8161]

A better comparison would be 22 TCM against the 5.7.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I haven't gotten anything in .22tcm yet. Definitely a closer power level comparison, but not very useful comparison for many people. Far more .22 mag users.

[@wizkaqueefa9003]

​@@ToolsandTargetsCheck out the Rock Island Armory (RIA) series of 1911s in .22 TCM. As far as I know, Rock Island Armory developed .22 TCM, it's proprietary.

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

.22 mag is way better than people think it would do, but that necked, centerfire round will win a straight up comparison. With .22 mag being so much more established, with wider arm selection, and lower price, I know what I would pick. Thanks for the test.

[@adamrodgers2377]

Cool, thanks for another test. I am also enjoying your R/C channel.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. Appreciate that.😎👊

[@adamrodgers2377]

@@ToolsandTargets 👊🏻🤓

[@pinkysgarage4517]

Always informative and entertaining.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@woodroez]

TOOLS! Thanks for the video, quality as usual. I'm not all that interested in the 5.7 at the moment, but still, when I get some time I'll have to scrub through your work and maybe KZbin in general and see if anyone makes a bullet that holds up better. 16+ inches consistently with a more modest expansion and no fragmentation would be intriguing! Thanks Tools!

[@PassivePortfolios]

The ,22 mag wins on price while the 5.7 wins on performance. You should do a test using bullets of equal weights (40 grains). Thanks for another excelled video.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@rifleshooterchannel208]

I like this particular test because it’s two different calibers compared using the same exact line of bullet style. FTX vs FTX Very cool.

[@dandylion1987]

Centrefire reliability is the biggest reason for the 5.7 , even if it is better ballistically

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@nigeltheoutlaw]

While I agree, 22 magnum is pretty damg reliable, especially the boutique rounds. It's not 22 lr; not sure if that's just better qc or what.

[@Zantar45]

I thought 5.7 was the loudest .22 cal pistol cartridge until I walked onto the range and heard someone blasting away with a loud ass 1911, bent down to pick up a spent cartridge and saw .22TCM stamped on it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😂 Yeah, TCM shoots a fireball pretty much every round.

[@3rdpig]

Neither would be my first choice for self defense, but if they were my only choice I'd definitely take the 5.7. It's absolutely better, but it's also not rimfire which if you've seen as many malfunctions and misfires as I have with rimfire you'd understand.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@dennispresley6994]

WALTHER WMP I HAVE ONE GREAT GUN .NOT ONE FLAW

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely a nice one.

[@wigon]

I was using the FN SS197SR round until I saw your 5.7 Critical Defense tests. I just got in a couple of boxes of CD 5.7 today and will take it out on Tuesday to zero the red dot with it on my M&P 5.7 pistol. I personally love the caliber because it's accurate, has light recoil, and the mag holds over 20 rounds but in a relatively short grip. As such and because it's very thin, the M&P 5.7 is actually very concealable and comfortable for me to conceal carry in the 3 or 4 o'clock position. Also, while the FBI states that hydrostatic type tissue damage happens consistently after 2200 FPS, that is for ALL types of tissue. If you look at studies of bullet wounds in hospital ER's, you often see velocity based damage in estimated velocities as low as 1600 FPS. It's one reason (along with energy transfer) why .22 magnum (out of a rifle) has a good reputation as a varmint round on animals as big as a coyote. BTW there is also at least one hog hunting round video on YT that shows a dude hog hunting with a FN 5.7 pistol. Personally I thought it was a bit cruel, but it did drop some big hogs with single shots and thus gives a good idea of what it would do to any home intruder or attacker.

[@timrobinson6573]

Your not getting hydrostatic shock from 5.7 at any velocity. The 1,600 fps you're referencing is from rounds like 44 mag, 357 mag. And it's not hydrostatic shock, it's simple energy transfer. This effect at lower velocity is even observed with 12 gauge buckshot at velocities lower than 1,600 fps. But it's not hydrostatic shock. It's an object with a lot of mass and velocity transfering energy to a target. It's like getting punched by an average guy vs getting punched by Mike Tyson. Mike Tyson's blow has more effect bc his punch transfer more energy. It has nothing to do with hydrostatic shock. You're reading about these things, not fully understanding them and then extrapolating them into made up scientific sounding concepts.

[@Tigersfan081982]

Chilly Jelly Contraption!

[@ToolsandTargets]

💥😎👊💥

[@dennispresley6994]

LOOK AT THE PRICE $

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, the 5.7 price is crazy. I got the .22 mag for 15 bucks at my local shop.😆

[@wizkaqueefa9003]

I bought 10X 50 rd boxes of CCi Maxi Mags .22 WMR FMJs for $9 each online. They Upgraded 4 boxes to a 200 rd box of CCi Meateater JHP- which are now discontinued!

[@drexx4164]

I mean 5.7 is pretty much the same as any centerfire pistol cartridge that's not 9mm. $0.50-$0.60 per round for practice $0.60-$1.00 for defensive. 45 acp is running $0.45-$0.55 for practice and $0.60-$1.00 for defensive. I think people still think it's selling at boutique price, it's not, ammo is just expensive in general.

[@Bojangles6]

​@@drexx4164 yep. Practice ammo is

[@rogerslade6998]

Aac usually has a box of 50 for like 25 bucks. Or you can get 150 rounds for 70 bucks when it goes on sale.

[@Rex-cl2lo]

I have a Winchester 9422M one of my favorite guns .22 mag needs long barrel ;),tks for this interesting video.

[@anthonyguidas2012]

Cool comparison, I’ve always wanted to see someone compare these two cartridges.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@Bob.W.]

Thanks for the tests. Sold my Henry .22mag levergun to a friend. No real use for it.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@hoffpbass]

Recoil might be the difference for some people and if equal, go with 5.7 for self defense.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@josephpacchetti5997]

The best tests on YT, My WMR is the R.R.-6-1" bbl, Thank's Brian.👍🇺🇸

[@saltymofo5870]

Ole Tools is going to keep foolin around until he likes the 5.7 😂

[@ToolsandTargets]

😳

[@timparkhurst8661]

How he likes PSA and has the "Rock"😂

[@dietrichjohnson9556]

I really liked the comparative test. Still cant get over the cost of 5.7

[@Joeak74]

Federal Punch 22LR out of a Ruger LCR penetrates even more at a much farther distance. That's crazy

[@ToolsandTargets]

Punch .22lr uses space magic.👽

[@wigon]

Yeah Federal Punch .22LR performance is extremely impressive. I run that in my Taurus TX22 Compact which I actually carry sometimes because it's so damn accurate and lightweight.

[@clarencesmith2305]

22-MAG for a small game bullet hands down 22-MAG in a bolt action Marlin rifle.

[@robertkubrick3738]

22 Mag even in a little badger youth rifle weighs little more than a pistol.

[@lbmullinax9387]

Still a 22 mag fan...great test Tools

[@MrZachxd]

Great video, Brian!

[@petee454]

That was a cool test. Was thinking of one of those Walthers. After this test, yup it's officially on the radar as a 10mm.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@coreymerrill3257]

I usually compare 5.7 to .22 hornet more than .22 mag.

[@misterfister7262]

If you don't have a north American Arms mini revolver whenever you do 22 mag testing, your wrong.. 😂 love the channel

[@SCH292]

.22 Mag wins when come to ammo variety selection, price and availability. 5.7 wins when come to ballistic, performance and firearm platform selection.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@MikePluto]

I’m pretty pleased with my results from 5.7 in my 8” SBR, which still exceeds what I see from my .22 Magnum out of the 18.5” bolt action rifle. I’d feel plenty confident clearing the house with the 5.7 SBR, but I’d feel even better doing it with the other one that’s in 5.56! 😂 Love the videos, keep ‘em coming making fun of 5.7, it’s still the most fun round to fire!

[@jeffdavis7616]

22 TCM vs the 5.7 that the comparison I want to see.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@furmanmackey5479]

So basically, we are talking a center fire "reboot" of the old 5mm Remington Rimfire Magnum that was supposed to make the .22 Magnum obsolete. As I recall that did not work out well for Remington. To this day I have not seen or handled a single box of 5.7x28 ammo or firearm so chambered. However, I can go to my local leftist, liberal, socialist, communist Big Box store and buy all the .22 Magnum ammo I could ever hope to need or utilize. As always, I enjoyed your video and hope that you will continue to produce the quality videos you are known for.

[@phil20_20]

I figure a 9-shot revolver is a good thing to keep around since I've got all that cheap .22LR and .22 Magnum ammo for target practice. I just wish you could change cylinders easier without losing parts. I don't need no Stargate gun. All due respect to Samantha and McGuyver.

[@jakeoutdoors9600]

I have a few 22mags I have used for small game. That being said I don't want to use a groundhog caliber for self defense. As far as the saying goes "you don't want to get shot with it" I don't want to get shot by a pellet gun either but I'm not carrying it for self defense.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@TimDavis-wc7rc]

Great video. Thank you for testing.

[@jimchambers7548]

I was wrong, i thought the 22mag being 5.8 would be better than 5.7😅. Cool gel test👍👍

[@WayStedYou]

But they are both .224 projectiles

[@jimchambers7548]

@@WayStedYou the 22 mag is 5.8, you can google it if ya don't believe me

[@jimchambers7548]

@@WayStedYou and i was mainly joking😅, but it is 5.8

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@douggiek9]

Be cool to see the 22 mag out of a 24in bbl

[@l.a.3887]

I just like the 22mag and I just don't care about the 5.7 pretty cool test 😎 👍🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@paulblackburn6289]

Excellent video. Love both rounds and in both applications.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir.😎👊

[@YellowHammer26]

👍👍5.7 on performance but I would not use it because of the price. Nice test brother.

[@reddog1ish]

Another great video! Thanks for sharing.

[@147CombatMedic]

For what they are, they both did pretty well. 🤷‍♂️ 22mag still wins in my book because of the plinkability cost factor. 😄 I might have to check out that Walther sometime. 🤔 Thanks for the vid! 💥👍💥

[@ronaldbarnes8302]

Don’t have either one in a pistol. If I did the 5.7 would be an easy winner for personal defense due to reliability being a center fire. Love the Win Mag in a rifle but still get an occasional click instead of bang. Thanks for sharing Tools!

[@Kevin-y1q4x]

22mag is putting out 380 numbers ftlbs tbh id probably want the 22mag over the 380 ...25auto needs a revamp for the old ammo bring it up the 100ftlbs and make a 25acp+p or magnum some slick polymer double stack pistols would be a reafresing thing

[@Yoopermanbeau]

In my opinion, both of these rounds would be acceptable for self defense, but I wouldn’t go out of my way to use either 5.7 or 22 mag. I’ll stick to my 9mm or .357.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@gwidwock]

I was considering buying the Hornady CD WMR until I saw that performance. I have the Ruger LCRx in 22Mag. Thanks for the video.

[@michaelrocole7174]

I use my Ruger 5.7 x 28 Carbine for a home defense i have Red Label Blue box and some Hornady but prefer the Original ammo as my tests have showed better performance. I had to dispatch and large doe that was injured with a 5.7 and it did the job as well as some larger calibers like the 5.56.

[@sparhawk5515]

Considering the price difference, the performance is fairly similar. You end up paying 100% more for a 15% increase in effectiveness.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yep

[@tommylitchfield3450]

Tools, we all know that to make this an even contest, you need to shoot the .22 Mag out of a NAA Mini Revolver and the 5.7 out of a P90 with the Giggle Switch engaged... Then, and only then will the 5.7 be worthy of consideration. :) It is nice that Hornady shows rifle and snubbie barrel length velocities on the box. Keep 'em comin', Tools!

[@rickytaylor5076]

SPEER GOLD DOT PERSONAL PROTECTION 5.7X28 AMMO 40 GR 50RDS clearance $35.99 @ palmetto state armory. They did have a bunch on clearance. Imma stick with 5.56

[@ToolsandTargets]

Price is ridiculous

[@Bojangles6]

Ive been carrying the 5.7 in my rock since i saw it on store shelves a few weeks back. I think it was $27-28/box. I carry underwood xd +p in my 9mm and .380, and they are the same or more $/rd. I had a lh sidecar made for the rock, and im carrying 47rds with a reload. Its my "away from home" rig, when im not just running around the local area close to home. Since you asked- imo the 5.7 is an excellent hunting cartridge as well. Ive harvested 2 rabbits with ss197, and the performace was perfect. Instant kill, and little meat damage. Im considering getting the ruger carbine, aside from what should be a great home defense gun specificaly for my wife, it should serve well as a medium range, medium varmint platform if the accuracy is adequate(ive heard it is). To varminters, it is a modern version of the venerable and beloved .22 hornet, which is approaching a century of factory production.

[@Steamrunner]

I had the PS90 and it was as exciting as being stuck in Seattle traffic after a semi crash during rush hour. At least there are some revolvers which come with dual cylinders which adds a tiny bit of enticement towards the .22 Mag.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I love the PS90. Only reason I even have anything in 5.7.

[@Steamrunner]

@@ToolsandTargets Two things happened for me when it came to the PS90. I slurped up the hype like a kid with a big bag of Halloween candy and set my expectations monstrously high. Then, when I took it to the range for the first time and tried to sight it in, regardless of which optic I used (including a coworker's ACOG), the 10-yard pattern was all over the place with FN branded ammo and using a shooting rest. Back then, I am not sure anyone else even made 5.7x28 ammo. Now, I can't even buy one until I can escape this communist utopia my state slid into thanks to the Californian locusts who swarmed Washington and devoured our rights like a Biblical blight.

[@curtiscopeland7975]

Awesome video! Would the Federal punch in .22 mag perform better than the hornady .22?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Appreciate that. I think they did a little better when I tested them. Can't remember what barrel though. Might need to test those some more.

[@MikeBell-ez9gf]

Interesting! Have no use for the 5.7 in a handgun but it might be fun is a small bolt rifle or a lever gun like the old Ruger 96/44 with a detachable magazine. But I don't think either will happen.

[@allen_p]

Too bad they don't make Federal Punch in 5.7

[@jeffreybean5363]

Very interesting comparison Tools 🇺🇸👊

[@andyd2960]

I can't help but want to see some wildcat rounds based on the 5.7. i don't know that you could get much more bullet in that little case, but im thinking maybe take it to a straight wall with a heavier and wider bullet. It's armor penetration properties are obsolete but the p90 itself is a great design in my opinion.

[@ToolsandTargets]

P90 is the reason I even bothered with anything in 5.7. I'd have bought it no matter what caliber though.😂

[@andyd2960]

@@ToolsandTargets imagine like a 6.8 or 7mm. I'm not sure on case dimensions but even coming out at 1250 would be a great little pdw like it should be. I think it could do better than that. Finding bullets might be a chore. I'm not sure a pointed bullet would be ideal.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@andyd2960 They could just make a P90 in 7.62X25mm russian. About 1550fps with 86gr bullet. You could get a Tokarev pistol in 7.62X25 as companion sidearm.

[@andyd2960]

@@robertkubrick3738 ya I like the idea. My thought process was to use existing mags if possible. I don't own a ps90 so I can't really say if it would work. I'd also kinda like to see a useful wildcat come out of it. It's my opinion that FN did everything right about the p90 except for the bullet.

[@robertkubrick3738]

@@andyd2960 5.7X28 not counting those long pointy bullets vs 7.62X25 with relatively round stubby bullets, I think it would work fine with standard mags. And I have seen 7.62X25 doing 1550fps from a Tokarev pistol with late manufacture S&B ammo.

[@mwharton]

If you added cost comparison the .22 magnum makes more sense.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Definitely

[@michaelrocole7174]

5.7 Carbine vs 22 TCM rifle vs 22 Mag rifle tests please

[@mr.e.2175]

Both are LOUD as hell!!

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah they are.

[@rangetime6779]

The 5.7 obviously won. However the cost of the ammo I'd take the 22 Mag and a 9mm or 40 S&W which are both cheaper. The 9 and 40 have much more power vs cost. Thanks for the test with pistols.

[@robertscotti7970]

Unless your using a revolver 22mag is dependable..but 5.7 runs flawlessly. For recoil shy people the 5.7 is a good dependable round.

[@rob6850]

I think this calls for a watermelon test.

[@Edizzle15]

Plenty of watermelons in the “hoods”

[@leroycaudill96]

Good ammo gel test and review Tools God Bless.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir!😎👊

[@goodnewseverybody739]

Man that wmp looks quality, Walthers are 👍

[@ToolsandTargets]

Great ergonomics.

[@Bob-lq9ys]

The .22 mag was sleeping, thanks for sharing

[@ToolsandTargets]

😴

[@robertwess4556]

Another good ammo test sir

[@mikeautry2271]

22 mag is pushing a heavier bullet ..I which they were the same weight..5 .7 may not be able as fast with 45 grain bullet

[@ToolsandTargets]

It would be closer, but it's just a simple truth that 5.7 is always gonna have the edge with velocity and power from equal barrel lengths.

[@WayStedYou]

Would still be 350 plus fps more

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Poking holes....I reckon these would do that. But not my choice with either. But it is better than nothing. Thank you.

[@crafty714]

How would it do in a rifle? For varmets. I wouldn't use it for anything else.

[@catshark12]

Thanks again!

[@techfixr2012]

How about a 5.7 vs .22 tcm?

[@ToolsandTargets]

i don't have anything chambered in tcm. I've been thinking about grabbing something just to test.

[@evacornman3671]

5.7 🎉🎉🎉

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@Ifitfitz22]

I'm sure it's hard to get one bullet to perform good across an expected range variance of ~800 fps. It would be nice if they had a lighter weight bullet specifically for handguns, I'm sure that 22 mag in a rifle would probably come close to fragmenting. Kinda like how they do for 38 spl pink inserts vs the 38 spl +p

[@ToolsandTargets]

Yeah, it would probably be a mess from a 24".

[@ElainesDomain]

I was hoping for rifles. I like the .22 mag in these. The 5.7 is just too pricey for me to consider. Nice test. Thanks.

[@ToolsandTargets]

Only problem doing 5.7 vs .22 mag rifle is it limits me to 16" on the .22 since the 5.7 is 16". I have a 22" Ruger .22 mag that would really wake some rounds up.

[@ElainesDomain]

@@ToolsandTargets My .22 mags are 20''. Doesn't seem to be a standard length on these.

[@lonewanderer3603]

Maybe it's better than rimfire, but I'd never choose 5.7 over 9mm or any other normal hand gun cartridges.

[@WeeWillieWinkee]

Thank you kindly was wondering what all th e hypt was over5.7 22mag been around foever penny pinching nowadays already have lots 22mag😎

[@countryguywithcamera]

Any chance you'd test the seismic 185gr jhp 9mm? Its a subsonic suppressor type load that they claim will expand. It's kinda pricey but if it actually expands and is subsonic with that bullet weight it would have plenty of applications

[@William-n1b]

Surprised the 5.7 didn’t show more effectiveness with the additional velocity. Doesn’t seem to be that superior to the .22mag.

[@davidabernathy4553]

Well now this was a interesting video and a very interesting comparison. I knew for sure that 22 Magnum didn't have a chance against a 5.7x28. however, I don't care. I'd still take the 22 Magnum. I have never personally been a big fan of the 5.7x28 cartridge and I don't own anything that shoots at caliber.

[@ToolsandTargets]

I feel the same way.

[@TheSkeptic000]

5.7 is very cool

[@richardharris1349]

Got one for ya get treated 2×6and shoot the 5.7.28 this trated 4×4 the ammo cut down so much wont go thre red tip blue tip and fmj got rid of ruger nothang but trout line wate now got ruger security9mm shoots right threw

[@keithmcdonnell4485]

With that 22 magnum your extreme spread was because you had one freakishly high velocity, and one freakishly low... if you average the other three you get 1311 with an extreme spread of 20.

[@Kevin-y1q4x]

If possible can you get the tarus raging hornet .....in 22 hornet that thing is a slick revolver 8shot 223 pistol wish they made a snub nosed basically can defeat body armor 2 leg and 4 leg crotters i would feel very well gunned even agaiant a bear i think it would do great

[@mariocervantes8764]

Good video , have you ever compared 5.7 vs .17wsm?

[@ToolsandTargets]

Thank you sir. I don't currently have anything chambered in .17.

[@steelpunisher6944]

Let the smack talk begin….. 😂. I think the 5.7 did pretty good. I’m just not a fan of it. The .22 mag just doesn’t have the umph from a short barrel imho. Still great info and test my friend 👍🇺🇸🇺🇸

[@ToolsandTargets]

🤭

[@bruceallen6016]

For the price difference I'll stick with the. 22 mag.😮

[@Bob-bb3ur]

How about 5.7 vs. 22 TCM ?

[@JermInTheSouth]

Be interested in seeing your Ps90 vs a .22mag rifle

[@ToolsandTargets]

I did a couple of them in the past. Pretty sure I did a Gold Dot one.

[@tcup3946]

Awe. Should of grabbed the rough rider 16" joker pistol to give it a fighting chance

[@OutdoorMinnesota]

I wonder if someone would take a 22 mag bullet and put it in a 5.7 case , now that might be interesting

[@BLACKRIFLEREVIEWS]

The 5.7 x28 is more like a semi-auto .22 Hornet . The 22 Mag don't even come close . I would like you campair 16" Barreled .22 Hornet with 16" Barreled 5.7x28 .I would have liked this test done with rifles.

[@raysmetzer3153]

Would be cool to see 5.7 x 28 vs 17 wsm. Just saying.

[@Orphican]

Case capacity is king in this comparison and .22 mag just doesn't have enough

[@ToolsandTargets]

Truth

[@kc0lif]

i always wondered how 5.7 does. centerfire ammo always cost more rimfire😅.

[@donakahorse]

I also joke around about the 5.7, but if I absolutely HAD to carry one of them, it would be the 5.7, I would never trust my life to a rimfire cartridge.

[@ToolsandTargets]

😎👊

[@keithdaniels5918]

Love the test…

[@vergil64]

any chance of testing the Fort Scott Munitions 10mm TUI?

[@ToolsandTargets]

I'll try to grab some next time I order some ammo.

[@twp616]

The 5.7 ballistics is very close in performance to the .22 Remington Jet

[@ToolsandTargets]

Don't think I've seen much about that one.

[@markmartin3296]

try 17 super mag vs 5.7

[@ToolsandTargets]

I like oddball calibers but that's a little too far out there for me.