5 Backpacking Gear Items you should NOT BUY from REI

Backpacking gear you SHOULD NOT buy from REI maybe.
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[@KyleHatesHiking]

This comment section should be fun

[@awalkingingmistake]

HOW DARE YOU continue to denigrate my beautiful puke shoes 😤 Actually though, I'm hyped to stock up on them in a year or so when they're all 60% off since no one is buying shoes that look like hot baby vomit

[@chriseidam7319]

I am curious...does REI also sell pitchforks and torches?

[@modestadventurers]

REI backpacking chairs are awesome Kyle.

[@outdooradventureswithjason6275]

Go Rangers!!

[@user-zq9xh4rc3c]

So, you know you shouldnt support REI at all, right? ask an employee why.. or the health department.. or an environmental agency or.. wait... is it not common knowledge to not support REI? well, i guess idiots still support amazon...so... were doomed

[@Judaddy1]

All true but REI’s return policy is godlike

[@KyleHatesHiking]

This is true, I should have mentioned that in the video

[@nodescriptionavailable3842]

As a 20+ year member I can say that REI is amazing for what they are, backpacking gear isn't cheap anywhere but getting a 10% dividend gift card, used gear, returns, member perks and deals, it's like they have a warm fire going in a vast, desolate, freezing corporate wasteland

[@Jeremy-rg3bg]

Is it really that good?..and why?

[@wanderwondergrow9766]

@@Jeremy-rg3bg they will take basically any gear back for an entire year. You can literally say, it wasn't comfortable or I decided I'm too high maintenance for this ultralight life. They recently updated this to where you have to be a member, but it's a lifetime membership and if you join during a promo which they have SO often you basically come out on top almost immediately buying the like $30 membership because they will often offer a gift card or coupon or whatever after you join.

[@sarasmr4278]

​@@Jeremy-rg3bg they also have regular "garage sales" where they sell used gear and you can get great deals. I keep shopping their end of season sales and closeout sales when new versions of gear are released and they're getting rid of last year's stuff. Putting together a decent kit one piece at a time. The staff are really well trained and knowledgeable too. But he's right in the video, you can often get better stuff for less money elsewhere if you look. You have to know what you're looking for, though.

[@planner722]

If you are new to backpacking, REI is great: if you pick the wrong equipment you can take it back or if you find out you don’t like backpacking! I bought most of my ‘first’ backpacking gear from an REI GARAGE SALE… about half of that was before they changed how they do the sales (I got a Titanium pot for like $3, can’t find anything that good now). I am now at the point in my backpacking that I am looking lightening my load so am looking other places.

[@jblue345]

This is the right advice, don’t wanna be in $600 for a tent and realize you hate camping. There’s much better products than at REI but if you need help getting started it’s not the worst you could start with

[@TheJhtlag]

@@jblue345 Yeah, exactly, all this advice is great, but it's for experienced, educated buyers, that "new" to backpacking where "new" might mean the first year or two, not just buying a load of equipment and then returning it three days later because it rained and you hate backpacking.

[@amberbydreamsart5467]

yeah, that's where I've been, and it's definitely been worth it... changed my sleeping bag and pad after my first two trips because I quickly realized that my obnoxious side sleeping was going to make a wide pad and a quilt pretty much necessary. Still bought my replacements at REI, though I think I might return the quilt I bought eventually... love the magma so far but I do want something rated lower in temp, so I'm gonna take it a few more trips and then figure out what specs I want out of a custom quilt from a different company. all about learning!

[@randommonkey4900]

Dude REI garage sale has tones of amazing stuff even for higher end items

[@fuzyfuzfuz2]

I disagree, as someone who is new to backpacking.

[@planner722]

Related comment: I would watch buying stuff from Amazon anymore. So much of the stuff are from Chinese companies that won’t be in business in three months (then they open a new one under a new name and brand). I know this because I went thru my old Amazon orders and looked to see what companies were still around - very few. So this got me to start looking closer at products I buy on there … a quick search of the company and you find out they have only been around a month.

[@andymytys]

Or Chinese manufactures like Lanshan that just rip off America cottage company designs and make them using less costly materials and cheap Chinese labor. I have to pay more, but I’d rather support the American entrepreneur who risked it all to follow their dream.

[@planner722]

@@andymytys 100% agree. What’s bad is that now days they use company names that sound American.

[@chriseidam7319]

I know what you mean. I bought five "Lixada titanium alcohol stoves" in 2020 as gifts and only to receive stainless steel knock-offs that weighed a ton. I didn't notice until I wrapped them for Christmas - about a week after the return-by date had passed. I message the seller. He gave me a virtual middle finger. eBay did nothing about it when I notified it. I have had similarly bad experiences with Amazon. Half the time, it is not what I ordered or it is defective. I rarely buy from either now

[@KENFEDOR22]

Completely agree, buyer beware on ANYTHING from Amazon that you can't trace. Way too many cheap Chinese knock-offs.

[@Digbysexpot]

Agreed, plus Amazon reviewers could be anyone of any skill level. I ordered a stove jack for my Onetigress Smokey Hut at Christmas and the hot tenting season was over before it finally arrived.

[@chili1593]

I’m a long time REI member. I’ve gotten years of good advice and if you factor in the dividends and sales you don’t over pay. They are extremely user and beginner friendly and have a wide variety of stuff at different price points. Different strokes for different folks.

[@fuzyfuzfuz2]

I disagree with you on the beginner friendly portion. More like beginner extortion portion if you ask me (a real beginner). I had no clue I was being upsold. On everything. I bought so much I didn't need listening to expert advice because I was scared..... wish I had someone like Kyle to tell me otherwise :P

[@chili1593]

@@fuzyfuzfuz2 maybe make a video of you and Kyle shopping then……

[@2laughandlaugh]

The one reason I buy from REI is the return policy. Sometimes the used gear is pretty good as well.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

The return policy is dope no doubt

[@michaelreed649]

The return policy ( 1 year, no reason needed) is the Best reason to buy from REI. You might find something slightly cheaper but not with that return policy.

[@ethanfoley557]

Very true, their return policy is top notch

[@GetUpTheMountains]

You can't clickbait their return policy though!

[@michaelreed649]

@@GetUpTheMountains true

[@connorkearns5560]

I work at REI and here’s my quick breakdown on this video for what I agree and disagree with Tents- Agree- lots of great tents for people who are not super lightweight campers, but not the best selection of super light weight tents, and the ones that we do have are very expensive Backpacking stoves- not sure- I can’t vouch for the ones on Amazon and I know the ones in REI are great and reliable BUT they are definitely overpriced. Sleeping bags- Disagree- The one example you clicked on is the cheapest and heaviest we have in store. We have a good selection of down light weight sleeping bags for all seasons. Little pricey tho, but chances are the down filling in the REI bags are better then the cheep ones on other sites tho- I’m not positive on that tho. Backpacks- Agree- Most of the packs we sell (similar to the tents) are not aimed at people doing the super lightweight backpacking. I wish we did sell them because some of the ones I have seen look super good and for good prices. Price stuff- agree with exceptions- While you may be able to find items cheaper on other websites they probably don’t have our return policy. 1 year returns for members after any amount of use is pretty unbeatable. You could use the shoes for 9 months then return them and get your money back. REI also has free shipping for members on everything except really big stuff like bikes and boats ect. Also the 10% divided but u did mention that.

[@connorkearns5560]

Keep in mind I am just a floor sales person and could not care less if you buy your gear from REI or somewhere else because I don’t get commissions. I’m a backpacker myself and work here because I love to share what I know with customers and want everyone to enjoy camping as much as I do.

[@SophisticatedDogCat]

I got my Snow Peak titanium stove at REI and it’s been amazingly reliable. Wouldn’t buy any other one.

[@jeffpeters5347]

Kyle- While I totally agree with shopping around for the best prices & better gear, there’s a few aspects that makes REI awesome. Aspects you didn’t mention. 1) Their return policy for members. Used this myself on trailrunners that tore my feet up; 2) you can try stuff out/on, especially on backpacks, shoes, sleeping pads without having the hassle of buying and then returning them to an online cottage vendor; 3) good for offering in person advice on gear while looking at it, which is especially valuable for beginners; 4) Their garage sales/used gear shop. These “intangible” factors really helped me out when buying my first backpack (Osprey Atmos), backpacking tent (Big Agnes TigerWall UL2), and shoes. And I went during their anniversary sale and saved over $400 in the process. REI really came through for me when I was just starting out. The awesomeness of REI needs representation too. Happy New Year.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

Happy New Year Jeff! Thank you for your valuable insight. Yes, I did leave a few things out

[@donk4631]

I completely agree. As someone who travels a lot REI is at least consistent and being online and ease of returns options it is almost needed. I do get your point, REI would be consistent just like McDonalds. However, there are those days though when a McFlurry is really what you NEED!

[@fuzyfuzfuz2]

Hey! I tried on a backpack from REI and had an "expert," fit it to me. It sucks. I hate it. It's heavy and I can't pack what I need. But I listened to the "experts," and I'm still a beginner/complete newbie and have no idea what I'm doing. I spent so much money on the same gear I could've gotten elsewhere at a better price had I simply known there was anything other than REI.

[@Nylak-Otter]

​​@@fuzyfuzfuz2I feel that. I got REI gear when I started out, and now I use army surplus gear and things I've customized myself that meet my needs much better. Price isn't a problem for me, but weight and utility is, since I only weigh 100 lbs and I camp in the winter so my gear needs to work very well and not weigh me down. If there are extra bells and whistles on my gear that I don't need, it's a problem, and REI and pro shops are all about those fancy bells and whistles. I work search and rescue as a K9 trainer/handler, and all the gear that's professionally spec'd out for SAR has always been too much for me and my dogs, so I'm used to having to downsize and customize my gear for it to work for me. It's about navigating the back country safely and efficiently, not looking good at a ski resort.

[@jasonthomas51]

I heard REI has some backpacking chairs Kyle. Agree with your points, however I found it hard to walk out of REI without a BA Tiger Wall UL2 for $100 off! Felt $299 plus 1 year return policy was a deal.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

STFU about the gosh darn chairs ok!!

[@jonevans2275]

REI in the past couple years have really been trying to reach out and create gear that will be extra lightweight. The flash 55 pack the flash air chair that you mentioned and the flash air tents. Yes it’s not ultralightweight that you would find elseware. But it’s not going to break the bank.

[@2laughandlaugh]

@@KyleHatesHiking chair talk getting to Kyle....oh the humanity.

[@coachhannah2403]

@@jonevans2275 - Their chairs are among the lightest...

[@ThenaturalmedicAdventures]

I did get a great chair there :)

[@rhosymedra6628]

Not big enough for backcountry hiking, but the flash 18 daypack that REI makes is 9 oz which is by far the lightest I've ever seen. It's my favourite backpack for just regular day to day commute stuff, and surprisingly sturdy. I'm actually considering getting a flash 22 for a gear shakedown weekend hiking trip and modifying it to hold a bit more.

[@kevinburroughs6583]

My only thing with buying a tent online is you cant see it set up. At REI you can set it up and examine

[@scubatrooper9895]

Great video! I work for one of those “Box Stores” and must dispense experience and advice on a regular basis. I’ve directed customers to other sources for the same or similar items in our store at a cheaper price. I find giving such advice brings customers back to our store for other items, and they ask for me by name.

[@kinnymane8593]

Oh I 100% can confirm this as someone on the customer end. Called a gun store for a holster and the owner sent me to a different companies website that had it on sale, I’ve been going back to that gun store for everything else ever since

[@KENFEDOR22]

Valid points, Kyle! I'm about 3 years into primitive 4 season camping and have realized there's not much more REI has that I cannot find directly from the manufacturer - wool socks, trail running shoes, hammocks/tarps/quilts (Sierra Madre), chairs (Helinox), buck saw, water filtration bags (CNOC), etc. I personally enjoy supporting small, cottage companies striving to compete directly with retailers. This, to me, is the American dream. That said, REI is ~ 10 minutes from home and I still do spend a good deal there on items you need to try on (clothing), cheap items (nutrition), and those you cannot buy through the mail (isobutane cans).

[@KyleHatesHiking]

Thanks for watching Ken

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

You can indeed buy almost everything he lists directly from manufacturers, but they won't pay you a 10% dividend back. They also almost never have the same 1-year return policy either.

[@M2Abi]

For beginners, REI is good because you don't know what you're doing (generally) and you don't want to spend a ton of money when you don't know if you're going to enjoy it. I bought a lot of my first gear at REI and it will be replaced by better stuff eventually, but for now it's working. I got my Passage 2 tent on sale for $100. Yes, it's very heavy, but I couldn't spend $700 for a Duplex and hadn't heard of many other options.

[@fuzyfuzfuz2]

I disagree. I bought all my gear from REI as a beginner and I deeply regret it.

[@PisgahGravelProject]

A list of things I have ever purchased at REI: -Fuel canisters ... Online shopping is your friend, take advantage of sales, and support smaller businesses.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

There we go!

[@davegaultier5283]

Started backpacking last year with the ba tiger wall ul3 tent, under 4 pounds, we love it. We travel with 2 seventy pound dogs. We also love our magma 15 bags if we are packing solo with 1 dog each though we have an enlightened equipment 2 person quilt for most trips. First packs were osprey atmos65 & aura 55. After 2 weekend trips swapped them out for osprey levity60 (under 2 pounds) & lumina60 ( way under 2 pounds) and am loving these packs even loaded to 28 pounds when needed (dog gear). We are in our 60’s so we try to keep the weight below 25# when possible. We have upgraded some our gear from REI such as rain gear to ee visp, food bags from hilltop & a tyvek footprint. But overall we have been happy with the service & products we have gotten from REI.

[@chemistryflavored]

My husband really wanted a Nemo Dragonfly tent. They are expensive. We snagged one from REI on sale, used dividends, and a gift card and managed to get the price down significantly from $360 to $250 and it’s a light tent. I also have the GG One since I wanted a trekking pole tent. I think if REI has the tent you want, their return policy can’t be beat since you can return it even after use if it’s not working whereas companies won’t take them back used.

[@ItsAdventureTime1]

You left out the #1 reason we buy stuff from places like Amazon and REI...Convenience! All the cottage gear you showed takes several weeks to get. I love my ULA CDT pack but man...It took forever to get that thing. From the time I ordered it, I went on 2 or 3 backpacking trips before it showed up at my house. So if you are new to backpacking and want to get started in a few months, start buying all the cottage gear now. You might make it out by this summer lol.

[@bucky716]

"don't buy tents at REI.. oh hey, here's a tent i own" hahah.. I do love having an REI nearby to get things now vs waiting for delivery (first world probs). I did get a top and under quilt from REI because they had in stock and I wanted to go camping vs waiting weeks. They've held up well and I've gone down to 23 freedom degrees and stayed warm. I do wish I would've just waited but eh, buy twice, cry again.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

😂

[@DeepStateYuri]

Kyle also used a hammock that they sell at REI on his AT thruhike im surprised that didn’t make the list

[@rcrit0]

The REI Magma line is quite good. I got a 0-deg down bag which weights < 2lbs. I've used it down to 17F. That said, I'm looking at a UGQ quilt now...

[@esn187]

This video can be summed up as “don’t buy anything from REI if you’re an ultralight hipster that has pleasure in ONLY using the lightest, most uncomfortable, gear”

[@fuzyfuzfuz2]

😂😂😂😂 I'm sure there's.... something! That's moderately comfortable 😂😂😂

[@johnjinglehimer2900]

​@@fuzyfuzfuz2technically all that uncomfortable shit makes your shoulders and back more comfortable

[@Nylak-Otter]

I backpack "ultralight" because I only weigh 100lbs and I have a previously broken spine, and am missing a vertebra. I'm still very comfy on my trips because I sleep in a hammock instead of on the ground, and I'm accompanied by a large bully-breed dog who carries his own gear and some of mine. That said, most of my shit is an amalgamation of army surplus and things I put together out of multi-use materials. I feel like REI is pretty overpriced for excessively cushy stuff that I don't need to meet my needs and will weigh me down, making less room for other things I need based on the reason for my trip. So I kind of agree with him, and I'm basically the opposite of a hipster.

[@davidgunther1282]

@@Nylak-Otterwell when your dog carries your gear, yeah. I can see why you wouldn’t need cushy shit.

[@Orcinus1967]

I agree in principle. The stove was a great tip however. No one will complain about a lightweight reliable stove.

[@dustyoldhat]

The only caveat I'd say about REI backpacks for lightweight backpacking is the REI Flash 55 pack. It's really kind of a sleeper gem. I recommnend it even to people who already know about or carry a cottage UL pack. It's that good.

[@somerandomguy706]

Bought 2 brs stoves. Both had threads strip completely by the third trip. Nothing sucks more than having a night in the 20s and having that fail so cold dinner. I went and got an msr pocket rocket from rei on the way home.

[@lakorai2]

The Fire Mapke 300t is way better built than the BRS

[@user-hz8ji2gz1o]

A good reason to get your shoes and clothing for your thru hike at REI is the return/exchange policy. I exchanged my torn rain jacket in Asheville, NC. It did involve a shuttle ride but it also mean I could get real food and a six pack of beer. Some thru hikers even exchanged their well worn shoes for new ones. This past winter, I shuttled some Florida Trail thru hikers. Seven of them exchanged their shoes for new ones. And that’s with 100s of miles of swamp water on the Florida Trail.

[@jeffrubin8570]

The REI Magma 30 quilt is a good one. I’ve taken it on several trips and was warm with temps in the 40’s. REI is always giving 20% off deals, so if you’re not in a hurry, you can get a good price from them. That all being said, I’ve got a Waymark Thru 40 pack, not available at REI, and love it.

[@alancalkins2656]

I became a diehard REI fan when I saw how they handle black Friday😁 Their selection does suck sometimes, and I too prefer more affordable stoves. However, I once walked in with a shitty hand me down off brand pack and they taught me how to load it, and helped fit it, and didn't try to sell me anything 😍

[@Jonistired]

There’s a huge REI store here. They’re great for small items and stuff like freeze dried meals but most of the store is devoted to bicycles, bike gear and fashion clothing. Also, as a generously proportioned man, they only stock clothes in xxsmall, x small, small, medium and large. About half my gear is cheap Chinese stuff from Amazon the other half is divided between expensive stuff from cottage gear companies and little stuff like sporks, socks, cheap compasses and the like from REI. They do have great sales at REI and a very good return policy.

[@jonsanford2515]

One other thing to consider… if you’re an REI member, you get 10% back at the end of the year as a dividend. Consider that, and REI return policy when shopping around the internet for “better” prices.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

yes you have a good point

[@chasel1305]

My favorite part about rei is the fact it is a real store I can go to and they have a really good return policy which I really like for if my boots give me blisters or my backpack is uncomfortable.

[@wisenber]

REI is a great source for mass market made in Asia gear. We do have an REI in town, but I'll usually check with the four local outfitters or bike shops first. I switched to mostly "cottage gear" years ago. I've met most of their owners, and I prefer to support them directly.

[@CastawayHikes]

I would absolutely buy a sleeping pad, trail runners, camp cookware, water filter, dry bags, etc at REI. General stuff. I agree with you though that buying tents, packs and quilts would be better at a cottage vendor. One of my favorite retailers that specializes in cottage brands is Garage Grown Gear. A lot of times cottage companies have lead times, but GGG might have several in stock and ready to ship

[@nicoleandjoshbaldwin4228]

Same

[@cyrilhaessig27]

Thanks for the reference to GGG. Will definitely have a look.

[@jonsanford2515]

GGG is also great if you want to buy small stuff from a bunch of different cottage vendors. If you get it all from them, you only pay shipping once.

[@danamiller2282]

This! GGG is a great resource!

[@zakafx]

switching from the msr winburner to the brs-3000 as my "daily driver" was a no-brainer, weight savings was well worth it, especially when paired with the 550ml toaks pot.

[@Digbysexpot]

REI’s 1 person Quarter Dome sl is kick ass and just as good as the Big Agnes for $100. Eat a bag of richards Kyle! And keep the videos coming.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

Lol thanks Craig

[@MeetMeOutside]

I agree, I have the Quarter Dome SL1 , it’s an awesome tent. At $299.00 it’s a bargain, very solid tent, Cheers

[@taterhater7419]

quarter dome sl2.love it

[@jonevans2275]

I went to an REI class on backpacking a few years ago and the guy teaching the class brought in his backpacking system. Out of his big three items none of them came from REI. (sleeping bag, hammock and pack) He explained that you need gear that works for you and your needs. He did say he bought these items before he worked for REI. REI in the past few years they have released a few items that are very light weight and a few that you mentioned like the REI Flash air tent

[@KyleHatesHiking]

haha that's a funny story. I'm hoping that in the future REI will start to carry more UL cottage brands

[@lakorai2]

Exactly. When is the last time you saw GG, Zpacks, Durston, Six Moons, ULA etx at REI....

[@firstname4337]

what the fuck are you talking about ? -- REI sells LOTS of items that are not made by REI

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

This would likely go for half the staff there (I work for REI). We collect items like crazy, but probably less than half of it are REI brand, even though that's where our biggest discounts are. Why? You need to buy gear that works for you.

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

@@firstname4337 I think he meant UL (Ultralight), which REI does have a few. Part of the issue is that some of the cottage or boutique brands are so small, until the demand for their products is there, they cannot supply the demand REI needs. Often someone only available online (say, a Mountain Hardwear Phantom 0 Gore-Tex sleeping bag) will get retuned to a store with the tags still on it, and sit on the shelves for weeks and weeks and weeks, as fewer people are really looking for such a thing than people realize. Similar things happen with items like technical backpacks.

[@somahikes647]

Love it! You should get a sponsorship from Manscape cause this subject has some balls!

[@KyleHatesHiking]

😂😂 best comment I've gotten in a long time

[@scubatrooper9895]

I’m howling!

[@arcana1973]

Dude, most people walking into an REI are not going to do a thru hike, Thru hikers always think that their gear choices are the way to go. Who cares when most people are hiking 5 miles into camp and chilling at camp for the weekend.

[@glenn2595]

Thanks for sharing. I agree there are always alternatives to the franchises. It makes sense, people start out with equipment from the big places and after being on the trail realize they can improve on something and start making it themselves. I do like the stores though, and I've purchased most of my gear from both Campmor and REI. I like to 'touch' things before I buy and I am never one to try something out and then go home and order it; I won't do it. (Yes, I do have a ULA backpack, obviously I couldn't touch it before I put my money down.) There are great cottage companies out there, and I've seen REI and Campmor bring some of the products in and that is nice to see. If it keeps the 'cottage' company financially stable I'm all in. Lastly just because a brand is carried by a big box store doesn't mean it is a mass producing, big company. I remember when NEMO would have been considered a cottage company. Maybe they still are, maybe not, but they did start small, made some really weird designs, but some of them proved more fictional than other offerings at the time. I always enjoy your videos, good stuff.

[@PrimeReal]

Kyle is so right. When I first started camping, I wasn’t sure if I would be car camping or backpacking etc. I purchased some gear for our first camping trip and got “the bug”. I started researching better gear and discovered cottage companies. I still shop REI for some things. I avoid Amazon if possible.

[@meghanmoore5039]

Bought my first pack for backpacking at REI. Told the salesman I was going on an overnight hike. He said the Deuter 60 + 10 would be best for me. 😂😂😂. I still have that pack.

[@4evrbffl]

I've had the red amazon stove with the igniter for over a year and it works perfectly! If anything happens to it I would just buy it again tbh. MSR stove would be a nice birthday/Christmas gift for someone.

[@justonemori]

Haven't got much from REU but last year they have Bear Vaults when most places were sold out. Recently I got a windbreaker for 70% off, socks for 50% and trekking poles for 30% off at their online outlet. Also, Public Lands is a new spin off of Dicks sporting goods. They're targeting REI pretty hard in the retail market.

[@preston1172]

I have that REI Magma Quilt 30 and have taken it out on about 12 or so overnight/ weekend trips in Virginia, West Virginia, and Pennsylvania. No complaints so far from me, but then again the coldest night was down to only about 35-40F and I’m a warm sleeper. I also bought it on sale and didn’t pay full price which is what i would recommend if you do pick it up. IMO though I feel like there’s probably better quilts out there for that price, but I also don’t have buyers remorse about it

[@nedanother9382]

You got the only bag / quilt they sell that compares with others

[@elpretender1357]

In the topic of tents, I recomend getting a Paria Outdoors tent, very capable tents at beginner friendy prices. Got my bryce 1p for 140$ and came from my first trip very satisfied. weighting 2 and a half pounds it went easy on my back and the stakes that come with it are very sturdy. Honestly if I had to purchase a tent above 250$ I wouldn't have had the money for other backpacking essentials. Spending too much too early in a hobby only to realize something you purchased didn't worked for you or you didn't enjoyed the experience is frustrating

[@KyleHatesHiking]

I guess you've got your budget figured out!

[@ke9tv]

Tent: I use a TarpTent Notch when I'm solo. But I used an REI Half Dome for a long time when going with my daughter. We weren't trying to knock out big miles, and the weight wasn't bad when shared between two people. Sleeping bag/quilt. I have an old Kelty Cosmic Down that I got from REI Outlet. Western Mountaineering it ain't, but it's Good Enough in milder weather. I've had it for donkey's years. If I were ever contemplating a big thru-hike, I'd probably upgrade, but for what I do, it's fine. (Caveat: I'm trying to work up a hammock system. I have a way-too-heavy hacked-together system that's done me for a few nights, now I've got a lot of fine tuning/upgrading to do.) Pack: I got my Granite Gear pack at REI because I had an REI gift card burning a hole in my pocket, otherwise I'd have probably gone with Gossamer Gear or ULA. Still, the Crown VC is Good Enough, and has the advantage that it's big enough for my winter load-out. Stove: Popcan. 'Nuff said. Except that in deep winter I use a Whisperlite (so called because it's the weight of a brick and sounds like a jet engine). In winter you need a liquid-fuel stove. I don't remember who had the best Whisperlite price when I got mine. It might have been REI. As you said, comparison shop! Shoes: Whoever has Merrell Moab at a decent price. Throw out the factoriy inoles and put in green Superfeet. (Your feet are probably different. Go with the shoes that fit you!) Bottom line: Second- or third-tier gear works fine. Get out there and have fun!

[@KyleHatesHiking]

Thanks for sharing Kevin! Sounds like you've got your whole system figured out

[@peek-a-moose2491]

The Quarter Dome2 (older edition) has served me well for a number of years. I don't like single tents, so I am willing to carry the extra weight and compromise elsewhere. Never had problems with this tent in incredible rains. Best three-season tent I had....

[@DragonRoams]

Encouraging people to shop around is always a good thing. On the backpacks the Osprey Exos is probably the best light frame pack they carry. 58L that is 2lbs if you remove the brain of it. For beginners it's a great place to get properly sized up. My first pack I picked up online with only a measurement at home yeah that didn't work out the best. I had them use the weird ruler thing they have and since any pack I have purchased fits very well.

[@haydenfox3116]

Love the video, just wanted to say that REI employees get a %50 discount on all REI items, through my friend I was able to get the 20oz Flash Air 1 tent for $150 which I think was a great price, one of the better designed 1p silypoly tents out there, however for $300 retail that is pushing it a bit. Also picked up the REI Magma 40 quilt, just about industry standard for weight and a decent price, fantastic with that %50 off.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

Thanks for watching Hayden!

[@haydenfox3116]

@@KyleHatesHiking keep up the videos I really enjoy how genuine you are in them! Cheers!

[@shawnmoon3911]

If it is discovered that your friend used their discount for you, they will be terminated immediately. Just saying - you probably shouldn't be talking about it.

[@jfrosty42]

Cracked up when you typed dan becker for the popup. REI is great for their return policy. Hard to beat returning something 11 months later with no questions asked.

[@pbkayakyer]

So, I was just at REI 2 days ago looking at the Lone Peak 5 and I couldn't bite the bullet... following your advice I checked online- sure enough, public lands had the sale price, but not my size. Back to the REI site, and the price was cheaper than the public lands site, plus they had my size!!

[@EATENG]

I do love my REI Magma sleeping bags. Warmth to weight ratio is up there with any UL quilt or bag.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

it seems like a good quilt

[@Summitclym]

You’re exactly correct. I love REI and bought most of my beginners gear there. Since going ultra-light (7lb base weight for shelter, sleep system, pack, kitchen) I only order online.

[@dustyoldhat]

Q: How can you tell if someone is UL? A: They'll tell you their base weight unsolicited.

[@theslowwalker]

Currently my primary tent that I use is the Zpacks Duplex. I am looking for a tent with a smaller footprint area because of some of my privative campsites are quite small. I've researched tents from different brands including all of those you discussed and it's down to two models the Big Agnes HV UL1 and the REI Quarter Dome SL1. What matters most is an individuals priorities, goals and abilities and what equipment best fits them. Where you purchase them from is secondary and depends on their integrity and reputability. Oh, light weight includes price for those of us who are much less than rich. By the way I got the cheap stove from Amazon . . . it is great!

[@InOurElement]

Durston X-Mid PRO! Lol or the regular sil poly 2P ☺️ we love it! Love our Soto Windmaster as well as our BRS 3000. We do agree you get much better products from cottage vendors. Wife loves her UGQ quilt.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

glad you're happy with all of that stuff!

[@JeremyOdom]

Some of REI's store brand gear is a good value and light weight especially when paired with a sale or 20% off coupon. Their Magma 10 bag (2017?), Quarter Dome SL2 tent and Flash 55 pack come to mind. I have all three along with gear from SMD, Waymark and ZPacks.

[@dustyoldhat]

The Flash 55 pack is a hidden gem and even though I"ve bought "lighter" packs from cottage companies, I still keep going back to use the Flash especially on longer trips. It's that good.

[@alyishiking]

My fave backpacking gear companies are Zpacks, Enlightened Equipment, Lightheart Gear, Thrupack, Montbell, and Katabatic. I try my hardest not to buy from Amazon but direct from companies. Amazon is just not a company I want to support.

[@chriseidam7319]

But...but...but if you don't buy on Amazon, Jeffy won't have sufficient billions needed to launch his latest, sophomoric phallic endeavor. (Logo, rocket ship, etc..)

[@PhilAndersonOutside]

Great post Aly. I work at REI and fully support what you said.

[@SomeOne-lc2pc]

I have that REI magma 30 quilt, it's very warm, I've taken it down to the mid 20s and slept great on trips when my water bottle has frozen. Here are the pros and cons Pros: light at just over 1 pound, vertical baffels over the chest, ethically and hydrophobic treated down, very small in the stuff sack, it comes with pad straps and a storage bag. Also you can get the short, regular, or long and try them in store and get it same day Cons: it's $300, and you could get a Chinese down quilt for less. It's not a cottage company so you can't customize it beyond choosing one of three lengths. They are no little pockets in it to keep batteries or filters warm at night. It's a quilt so no hood.

[@TheJhtlag]

Well, the Altra Lone Peak 5's are now on sale at REI for $96 and change. They also mention that they are a discontinued model. So to be fair, this might have been comparing the discontinued price at this other site which REI had not reflected yet. I mean, your point is taken, check around, and if that was the day you were going to order shoes regardless, then yes that would have been a savings - at least for a week.

[@andymytys]

Favorite BP gear that’s NOT at REI: Nashville Cutaway Pack Hummingbird Single+ Hammock Enlightened Equipment 50F Enigma quilt Holey Hiker backpacker bidet NiteCore NU25 headlamp Kuiu Peleton 97 fleece hoody MontBell Superior down jacket Hammock Gear Dyneema tarp Gossamer Gear Mariposa for long-haul carries. Map of Red River Gorge (haha Kyle)

[@cgnicolis]

I've been a member for several years. Took my 14 y/o for a pair of hiking boots (he's a boy scout and rarely hikes more than 3-5 miles) and the very friendly and helpful salesperson started whipping out $250+ boots. I asked if there was anything more cost effective, as my son will grow out of them in a matter of months, to which he replied, "well, you could always trade them in..." went to Dick's down the road.

[@MeOutside]

I own quilts from Hammock Gear, Enlightened Equipment, UGQ, and Jack’s r Better. All good quilts, they each have their uses but my UGQ quilts are my favorite. If you want something for colder weather go with UGQ. They comfort rate all of their quilts and there are numerous ways you can customize them.

[@CastawayHikes]

I have that $12 Amazon stove, it works great and has a built in igniter. I rarely pack it though, I usually go stoveless

[@Chupabrah]

I bought those exact same neon yellow Altra's on that same sale but from REI for like $57 since I had a $20 gift card they issued me for some super mimor mishap weeks before. REI is an awesome store, and their reuse section can be hidden treasure!

[@daleortt4874]

My brother found a pair of trail runners for our AT hike on another website for a deep discount. Bought them, they never showed up. Called the company and of course it was a bogus number. The only good thing was that his bank account wasnt hacked and he was only out the $75 he paid. My point is make sure its a reputable dealer. That is why i go to REI for most of my gear.

[@billseay6399]

Hey Thanks agree totally

[@doyouseewhatisee3183]

I had literally spit out my drink with that into, lmao. 🤣

[@LPrimeaux2]

Thanks for throwing UGQ in there...great quilt, love mine.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

Glad you like it. Never used them but Ive heard good things

[@connorhulegaard2012]

I’ve had my REI Quarter dome T1 for over 10 years and I still really like it.

[@festorfamine]

The Rei flash tent isn't 2lbs. It's over 2lbs with the tent poles which you won't need because you can use your trekking poles instead like the zpacks/gossamer. It's pretty much the same weight at half the price. If you want to show off then by all mean spend the $400-700 and go with the gossamer two or the duplex.

[@doyouseewhatisee3183]

I think you and I would get along because we are the opposites. Me being a bring everything and you being not or adleast hitting up it being light weight. I make up for my slowness by making my friends laugh and being prepared. I say God Bless you brother. Be safe my friend.

[@KevinM491]

I hike with a 5lb tent i got from walmart.

[@TheBigbadlou]

I lost it when you filled out the popup email. 😂

[@nighthawk6468]

I agree with a lot of what you said but I do think you should give a little more credit to REI and some of the things they offer. They have sales almost every other month for 20%, 25%, 30% or even more off of many common items in the store, and you get a 20% off coupon for any item in store each sale. There is also the whole membership thing where even if there isn't a sale you still get 10% cash back at the end of the year. The last thing is REI's return policy, they make it so there's essentially no risk involved with purchasing gear. Backpacking is expensive and knowing that you have a full year to return something gives a lot of comfort to someone that might not be as familiar with the gear. So yeah, they're not great for the experienced thru hiker but to the average person they give so many nice things it is incredibly hard to consider a lot of the other options.

[@Nylak-Otter]

I'm a newish backpacker, and I don't usually use a tent; I just use a hammock. So much more comfortable, less material, and no poles. If my working dog accompanies me, I set up a ground cover with a tarp for him using suspension cords, which he carries himself. Tents are too fancy for my shit. I am a winter camper, so I do have a very nice pricey mummy bag that I couldn't find at any outdoorsy store; I got it in the 80's from some pro shop. I sleep in it directly on my hammock with a snow cover strung above me.

[@KimCrowHikes]

I just bought a Gossamer Gear Tent (The Two) barely used from another hiker. I can't wait to try it out. I am also using the Mariposa for my AT thru-hike. They are such a good solid company. I would love to see a review on Flossy's GG trekking poles! I am in the market now. Hey Flossy! Anyway, another great video Kyle. I always watch the entire video and give a thumbs up.

[@KyleHatesHiking]

Thanks so much Kim! I will have Flossy do a gear video at some point

[@greg62945]

Time to be a musician camper. Even at home.

[@CameronClare]

i have the $12 backpacking stove from amazon! it's good, works just fine, my only complaint is if it's really windy, it's not the steadiest. i've never lost a pot yet but i also won't sit near it while it boils.

[@ChristopherMarshburn]

REI has some good daypacks. The NEW REI Trail 25 for $79 is a bargain. Ticks most all the boxes. Very comfortable. Made from recycled materials. A pack cover in its own pocket on the bottom is included.

[@gregmazzone2424]

Agree, EXCEPT for their consignment section. The one in Plymouth Meeting, PA has an entire 2nd-hand store with a separate entrance.

[@ManivanAdventures]

Appreciate this video. Love my BRS stove! Only 25g! So light!

[@stephaniebignall8943]

You have very good points and once I'm a seasoned backpacker I would be comfortable going to the small companies. I got my tent (big agnes tiger wall), pack, (I carry a gregory pack because I have more weight with my kids stuff), but I did get my husband a pack from outdoor vitals, he has back issues and needs lightweight, sleep pad and random other stuff at REI. I like that I can return stuff even used for up to a year so its a good way to try things out. We do have a quilts from enlighten equipment for me, my 5 year old and husband. Totally agree on stove, I got one on amazon for cheap. I also do clothing on amazon but have got some stuff from REI clearance for really good prices. Oh and I definitely get my shoes from REI because of the return policy, I have had a super hard time finding shoes that fit well.

[@greg62945]

Going to play music and camp.

[@alexcondado7885]

Recently went to rei over the weekend for a backpack (will be going to a pilgrimage in August) One thing I like from there is that the employee was able to help me out with measuring my hips, upper back and c7.. it was either the rei backpack or the Osprey Atmos AG 65... because I was on a tight budget, I end up with rei... then again, after the pilgrimage.. it'll more likely be rarely used

[@SophisticatedDogCat]

The Flash Air 1 is badass…I weigh it at 19 ounces with the (2) hubs. I use a DCF stuff sack for it, though.

[@doyouseewhatisee3183]

I now love this channel more than before when I thought I could not love it any further. ✅️

[@MaylesTrails]

For tents, it depends if you use trekking poles or not. I don't use poles because I don't see any benefit (fight me on it!). So I'll use my 2 pound double wall tent, which is similar weight (maybe slightly lighter) to carrying poles and and a trekking pole tent.

[@dustyoldhat]

How old are you? Wait till your my age. Then tell me you don't see any benefit to trekking poles.

[@MaylesTrails]

@@dustyoldhat Each to their own. I don't see any benefit in trekking poles for me. If they help you, that's cool too. So my point being that if someone doesn't need to carry poles, they should be looking at a double wall tent, rather than a single wall trekking pole tent.

[@dustyoldhat]

@@MaylesTrails ummmm yeah ok. you seem to be under the impression that people only carry poles in order to pitch tents? lol wtf. trekking poles benefits are kind of universally understood, that's why they're so common among long distance hikers. maybe you've never done a long hike, i don't know you. when i was a kid and only backpacked for a weekend or a week at a time i never used them (because they weren't really a thing yet) but i wish i had. you'll understand more when you're older.

[@SeanStewart88]

I’ve had my passage 1 tent for years now. Solid tent, great price and 3lbs isn’t too bad. Probably won’t need another one until that one bites the dust.

[@MG-ze3lf]

Public Lands is my new spot. Cool to see a store that sells cottage stuff now.

[@chriseidam7319]

Here is a surprise - it is founded by Dick's. Who would've thought?

[@jeanettepugh6017]

90 day return policy. Ex-fast food employees that are clueless about the gear they sell. No thanks.

[@MG-ze3lf]

@@jeanettepugh6017 I do buy most of my stuff online but I like the stock on a lot of things there. But..I do the Ol Ron Swanson's I know more than you bit when I'm there because you are correct that they are clueless

[@samcallahan5665]

Z Packs tents are expensive, but a lot of the “ cheap “ tents are sewn in China with labor that is like sweatshop level at best or slave labor at worst .

[@thejohnsce859]

3 quick points 1. You can actually go there and put your hands on gear and talk to knowledgeable people. 2. They advocate and lobby for the outdoors. 3. The employee people who are passionate about the outdoors.

[@hector5299]

Yes, my opinion is biased. I’ve been an outfitter for REI for 5yrs now. That being said, let’s get to it. 1.Tents. No retailer is going to carry every tent. Our attempt is to care tents for every budget and any skill level. From manufacturers that offer reasonable warranties and practice ethical sustainability. 2.Stoves. I cook with wood whenever possible and anywhere that it’s allowed. I also have an alcohol stove and a Pocket Rocket for gas cooking that is part of a Titanium full cooking kit that includes Stove, Gas and 2 containers for a total of 14oz. 3.Backpacks. From 8-12 litter daypacks to 80-120 litter packs. And Experts from weekend hikers to Triple crown tru hikers that will take the time to make sure that the pack fits your body type. Btw if you buy a frameless ultralight backpack and your base weight is over 18lbs, your gonna hate your life… 60-70% of people who buy packs online end up returning them. Or trying to. Anyway. I don’t want to write a book. So here is what you will ALWAYS walk away with when you come to REI. 1.The opportunity to belong to a supportive ALL inclusive community. 2.10% Back on full price purchases. 3. 1yr Returns & Exchanges. 4. Expert attentive advice from people who care more about YOU than the products that they are offering you. Have been there, done that and actually live this camping, backpacking, tru hiking lifestyle. I hope I’ve made my point. P.S. In the spirit of fairness and full disclosure, you should inform your viewers that a lot of this “ultralight” gear required you to be willing to sacrifice durability. If you can afford a 14oz $600 tent every 2 to 3 seasons, this is not an issue I guess. Thanks 4 the Video.

[@Rebecca_Lin9494]

I got the magma trail quilt from REI for my hammock backpacking. I love it, but you definitely need an under quilt to go with it. I got it on super sale so it was still worth it to me, but agree that if your serious about getting a good quilt, you should shop around to see if there is anything that fits your needs better.

[@greg62945]

I want to camp out and do concerts some day. Guitar probably. I do sax right now.

[@NealBenson]

Best part is the ad in the beginning was from REI. I've watched 10 seconds of the video and love REI... let's see if I stay.

[@g.g.hochstetler2286]

Suggests a $700 tent then shuns a $50 stove 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@rickcleveland310]

What do you recommend for a good beginner backpack & sleeping bag - for two or three nights out in CA mountains?

[@jeffreycarman2185]

5:20 Tarptent is also a great brand, not too technical to set up, decent price, and very light. I had one and found it was well worth the price tag.

[@deecawford]

Love rei but totally agree with you. When we first moved to Alaska the employees at rei helped us to not buy stuff we didn’t need and kept us grounded on necessary items. We were from south gA and had no idea of cold weather clothing

[@Omni11B]

REI didn't even know what denatured alcohol was, nor did they carry it. I literally spoke to 4 different employees. Had to go to Home Depot for it. Only reason to have anything to do with them is Miranda in the Wild. She's the perfect woman.

[@fuzyfuzfuz2]

Same! Agreed ❤ Miranda I'd perfect and I highly respect that lady ❤

[@jenniferbarron2317]

So, ill admit....im kinda a bit of a gear snob. love my xpacks duplex, uGQ bandit, and my favorite is my 0 degree econ burrow(heavy, but love the fabric) ! Just got a new backpack...REI FLASH 55😁😁😁😁 The most hideous color, but damn its comfy!

[@KyleHatesHiking]

Haha as long as you like it!

[@jeanettepugh6017]

I’ve carried that hideous mustard colored pack for over a year. With base weight of 18 pounds, it feels like my daypack. Taking on the AT in 55 days….

[@OccidentalonPurpose]

I got a Big Agnes UL2 at REI years ago and still use it. It's fine.

[@one2869]

Zpacks duplex have really went up since I purchased mine. I guess like everything else. Last year I was able to get a really great deal on one that was used 2 nights. Bought it as a backup but then my wife claimed it for her adventures. I always look at REI first for anything I'm looking for then look everywhere else online and see how much cheaper I can get it for. Or how much lighter I can get something similar for. I think I've done a few last minute hurry up and buy it type things with REI but usually avoid them. Customer service and return policy is phenomenal but beyond that well, you know. lol. I'm really glad I saw this video though. Was just about to order some new Lone Peak 5's. They were in my cart! Going to the other place and saving some money! Unless they run out of all but the ugly ones! That color should never be on any pair of shoes.....unless you're a clown!

[@robertsherwood6378]

Crawling out of the sleeping bag before first light …those shoes almost glow in the dark ! Yes I bought them because they were the only ones available. If IB Tat can tolerate them, I can too. Now the almost glow in the dark factor has me looking for another obnoxious pair!

[@TheTrailDancer]

Kyle, I love your vids and your main point of shopping around and not limiting your choices to only REI is good advice. There are so many amazing gear options outside of REI for sure! However, you can find amazing gear at REI. Some of the best brands on the planet are found there. Not everyone wants or needs to shop only cottage companies and, as you know, gear is a very personal choice. Osprey, Gregory, HMG, Nemo...etc... are amazing companies for a reason. They all started out small and because of their use, people loved them and therefore the companies grew to what they are today, Actually, almost all of them started out as cottage companies. Also remember REI's warranty and customer service. You have a lot of really knowledgeable employees there to help beginners as well as pros. In the Bend, OR store alone there is one triple crowner and 5 thru-hikers that are passionate about gear. :) Anyways, just my opinion... Peace! PS... 2023 is the year you start using a hiking chair LOL

[@Choklar_]

lol, we use the passage 2 for the past 3 years. We started backpacking in 2021. That said, we are looking for a new lighter one for this year, maybe even bigger. It's not that bad and it's a nice tent, but it is heavier than alternatives. 100% going to take your suggestions, those tents look like great alternatives/upgrades.

[@FT4Freedom]

REI co-op makes great backpacks. I got an awesome 60 liter bag for $135. I've never had a problem with their backpacks.