5 Evil Spells and How to Use Them

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[@GokuVHomosexualThoughts]

I wish to cast True Strike

[@justinfabela4899]

bro... thats op

[@fashionsuckman4652]

Please don't that shits brok

[@decliche1286]

This is cursed

[@shadowhuntress1371]

Bruh, rly?

[@decliche1286]

@@sagecolvard9644 why would you need a true strike for disintegrate? The target of the disintegrate makes a DEX save. True strike will do nothing.

[@SharkyShocker]

Nobody expects the evil Lich to use Wish to cast Glibness. King: "False alarm everybody! Everything is under control! It turns out that the evil skeleton wizard hiding under the kingdom in our tombs isn't actually stealing our dead ancestors. They're actually quite nice! As such, from this day forward I have appointed our new friend... what's your name? Ah, Evile McDeathington as an honorary member of our great land. Please show him the honor and respect that he deserves and don't mind his time spent in the graveyards. Apparently he's an avid gardener!"

[@miasmi4422]

If the lich himself isn't telling the masses that he isn't evil then there's gonna be multiple people that can see through that because the king himself doesn't have glibness

[@jacksonl.2201]

@@miasmi4422 then you cast glibness on the king

[@miasmi4422]

@@jacksonl.2201 Glibness is a self cast ability, but maybe with wish you can word it so the king gets Glibness. But the op comment implies the lich used it on themself to convince the king.

[@justthisguydave4477]

The king doesn’t need glibness. He’s the king. The lich is evil? Enjoy the dungeon, traitor.

[@KeksiLPs]

@@justthisguydave4477 Absolutely right.

[@melnewdemon4873]

A lich explaining the long process of becoming a lich. Patrick: Is mayonnaise a phylactery?

[@lorekeeper685]

Yes

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

This made me laugh more than it should have. Thank you.

[@whycantijusthaveausernameo3993]

Deathward: "No Patrick, Mayonnaise is not phylactery."

[@glumbortango7182]

@@whycantijusthaveausernameo3993 On the contrary, Patrick's phylactary is definitely mayonnaise.

[@cynicalswordmage6699]

@@glumbortango7182 patrick's Phylactery is this meme

[@flarenite1004]

"I want to make a high level spell but I also have a fetish for souls dipped in mayonnaise" ~The guy who made magic jar, probably

[@defensivekobra3873]

I mean also gemstones

[@defensivekobra3873]

Magic jar is the bare minimum for immortality

[@WakkaMadeInYevon]

I want to be a lich but I also want to make sure my soul tastes like mayonnaise. This spell is perfect for my needs.

[@defensivekobra3873]

@@WakkaMadeInYevon if you wanna be litch, make shure to get the spell true polymorph to get infinity mortals for yo box o' souls

[@Meteor2022]

@@defensivekobra3873 I never thought about this, this is dumb. Being a lich is sort of bad though in prospect, imagine rotting to insanity.

[@kyleward3914]

"I wish something interesting would happen." - me, the last time any DM gave me access to a wish spell

[@trouqe]

Haha, careful what you wish for. I've done this to my players before when they quoted this statement. It was interesting indeed. It also opened up a new adventure.

[@kylestanley7843]

*Terrasque incoming*

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

@@kylestanley7843 nah, an ancient shadow prismatic brainstealer dragon homebrewed to allow for breath weapon retention), terrasques are boring... Alternatively, an ancient or older orange dragon, because us DMs are evil creatures...

[@kylestanley7843]

@@theapexsurvivor9538 that... sounds rather over the top to me, I like my classics ;) But a homebrewed dragon that's even older than ancient could be interesting for sure ^^

[@benthomason3307]

Huh. wasn't aware you oculd cast vicious mockery on the DM him/her self

[@geoleo965]

*- KZbin:* *_"Demonetizatius prontus."_*

[@asterbomb9884]

Also known as “*No Money for U*”

[@janelantestaverde2018]

Counterspell? :c ;_;

[@stratgery11]

Not even counterspell can save you!

[@oliverbrown6137]

I cast wish?

[@arandomzoomer4837]

@@oliverbrown6137 Nope. Not even that can save you.

[@Katia_Managan]

Step one: Learn True Polymorpth Step two: Create a scroll of dispel magic, should you ever want to undo what you're about to do (as a buzzkill DM contingency plan) Step 3: Remove all clothing and equipment Step 4: Cast True Polymorph to become an Adult Bronze Dragon Step 5: use Dragon's Change Shape ability to return to your original humanoid form and don your magic swag Step 6: Don't die for an hour Congratulations! You can now become a fucking dragon (or literally any other humanoid you can think of) at will!

[@aydin5978]

You also just lost all your class levels (until you turn back), but you should have a pretty easy time getting them all back since you're a Bronze Dragon now. Also, if you're a lvl 20 spellcaster, then you can become an Ancient brass dragon for that extra swag.

[@MstEli]

Imagine using true polymorph to ascend into a true fiend. Or turning a big bad boss monster into a tea cup, and then crushing the tea cup beneath your heel. I want true polymorph for this kind of shit lol

[@aydin5978]

@@MstEli yeah, turning into a bale, balor, or pit fiend or something would be rlly good

[@EmmettMcMullan]

@@aydin5978 That was always my plan with my Devil May Cry inspired warlock. True Polymorph: Balor's the perfect sin devil trigger

[@poseidon4g]

@@aydin5978 I’m unsure about that because if your a wizard, basically every part of your spell casting and abilities are memory based or in your spell book. And since you keep your mind when polymorphed you would prob be good as a wizard

[@picgmr1575]

how to homebrew contingency: pc: "i shove my sword through his chest" dm: "you know hiroshima?" pc: "yeah?" dm: "multiply it by about 5"

[@hippiehippo9030]

Dm: you know Hiroshima? PC: yeah? Dm: welcome to ground zero.

[@johns9652]

@@hippiehippo9030 I forget how it was possible, but a friend of mine told me an idea he had once that would pretty much be a TPK for any party. This was 3.5 I think as it was some years ago. Anyway, somehow he was going to chain contingency where he had two spells that would go off, the first was some force bubble spell I don't remember the name of, that specifically stated it was impervious to poison fogs, gases and vapors. The second was maxed out fireball. Anybody who survived the flames would die of oxygen deprivation because they were trapped inside a sphere of force.

[@picgmr1575]

@@gamecavalier3230 thats whats funny about it

[@picgmr1575]

@@gamecavalier3230 its almost like humor is subjective

[@picgmr1575]

@@gamecavalier3230 its not at ur expense. you dont like the joke, thats not at ur expense

[@sanddry738]

Imprisonment is one of those spells that really gets those “what if...?” Gears rolling. The fact that Liches also have a version that just poofs your soul to their phylactry is probably a great panic button for the party considering the time limit.

[@Poniksei]

Right ive allready got the gears turning i saw several variations of that spell allready set in my lore im gonna have a bit where they forced an ancient red dragon into an urn with either a singular 9th level spell slot, or like i can use the whole 10th level gimmick and say it took several people to ritually imprison it

[@7megagir]

I've always thought that Modify Memory could be a pretty evil spell, with a little imagination of course. I played a blind bard once that was very kind, gentle, and sweet, but used devious spells, trickery and underhanded mind games against those she deemed worthy (some of the most fun I've ever had). One session we had to interrogate a fanatical cultist of some fire god, all he did was try to goad us into killing him so his soul could be used as kindling for his god. The in-game party left the room to try to come up with a new strategy in game, long story short I ended up sneaking back into the room by myself in secret. I had a small chat with the cultist telling him if he didn't cooperate with us I'd rip his soul out and eat it so that it couldn't be used by his god. When he didn't believe me I cast modify memory on him, he failed the save, and I made him believe that I immediately ripped his soul out of his body, proceeded to nibble on it and I only put the soul back in his body once he agreed to give us the information we needed. The next morning the cultist gave the party everything they wanted to know on the condition that they, "Keep that devil w**** of a bard away from him". Probably not the MOST evil thing I could have done with the spell but I felt pretty clever at the time. EDIT: correcting spellchecks mistakes.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

I often feel Cleaver too.

[@7megagir]

​@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 lol thanks man XD, spellcheck is out to ruin my life.

[@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606]

@@7megagir You're welcome! Thanks for giving me momentary amusement anyway😁

[@harperthegoblin]

I think I might use this

[@garr_inc]

This was actually amazing. Holy crap.

[@ashesuperstar9372]

the best use for wish I've seen is casting clone once a day, every day, forever. No limits, no conponents, the caster can't die.

[@brandonmarr9080]

Or having their soul trapped somewhere else

[@imhulki463]

Holy shit, I didn't know the clone spell was that good, now the wish spell is infinitely more awesome in my eyes.

[@Dile0303]

@Real Cheese since i am using wish spell, i might as well wish for the clones to be already prepared for use, instead of waiting 120 days... And also, you can use the spell "simullacrum" to make this and even stronger combo, by making the simullacrum wish to give his wish for you. So now you have 2 wishes to cast the clone spell without cost

[@misterdayne2792]

@@imhulki463 you can have your caster wander around the world and securing different hideouts, casting clone in the hideout and just forget about the place. Or you can use one Wish to cast Demiplane (if you're not a wizard), kit it out for living, spend a long rest there, and cast clone in there. Only you and whoever knows about that particular Demiplane can enter it using the spell. You can also have infinite Demiplane spells, so that works fine too.

[@Silverwind87]

You could also make each clone look slightly younger, just to confuse people every time you respawn.

[@bankasai3120]

I use high level spells as goals for my PC’s. Similar to you unkillable enemy, I had a Golem that was programmed to hunt down and murder the party, and it would infinitely reanimate every time it died. They had the choice between dealing with being chased all their lives, not knowing when they’d encounter this beast, or they could look for the mythical Tablet of Imprisonment, that has a free casting of the spell but disintegrates upon use. High level spells are really good rewards for players as scrolls, since they are unlikely to ever unlock the spells themselves

[@Fure2]

I hope you don't mind but I may steal this concept from you. You have my thanks.

[@bankasai3120]

@@Fure2 Feel free to steal any part of that paragraph.

[@Fure2]

@@bankasai3120 thanks

[@sjreads7235]

Ban Kasai, that’s such a good idea, I thought of it.

[@johnwayzwayz3106]

my heart is definitely settled by a spiritual spell caster who restored my marriage just after 74 hour's kzbin.infoxy2q4fkipsg?feature=share

[@FerunaLutelou]

The title of the video sounds like something J.K. Rowling would write. "Evil spells and how to use them" - next book in Harry Potter universe setting.

[@sirhootsalot2343]

Feruna Lutelou as well, fantastic beasts and how to abuse them

[@InquisitorThomas]

@@sirhootsalot2343 So Pokemon?

[@BBBence1111]

How to correctly use wish: We were approaching Tiamat and needed a bit of an edge. So I said: "I wish for the Tarrasque, right above the fuckoff huge dragon" GM had us play the Tarrasque and fight him. Fun times.

[@kahlilram324]

Did you win?

[@bizzybuzz2198]

@@kahlilram324 Obviously no

[@pedrodarosamello64]

My DM would make a tripple batle, the Tarrasque being hostile to both us and Tiamat

[@Im_A_Nerd]

im late but you shouldve wished something like "I wish for a Tarrasque to appear above Tiamat, and disappear when it hits 0 HP or defeats Tiamat." or something like that

[@dylandugan76]

And did you lose the ability to cast Wish as a result? Never worth the risk to wish for anything other than duplicating a lower level spell. I'd have wished for a Simulacrum of Tiamat to help the party fight, instantly with no cost and no risk.

[@Archimonde259]

Forget all this stuff, the only spell you ever need is Fireball *Just Fireball*

[@somedrunkdude5728]

Red Dragonborn Sorcerer: Cast away please.

[@gamingman2720]

Some Drunk Dude *jocat would like to know your location*

[@offathered2101]

Excuse me Meteor swarm It's Quad Fireball++

[@somedrunkdude5728]

@@gamingman2720 with fireball? Come at me bro!

[@captainmackerel4482]

*Just fireball*

[@Lukiel666]

Used this one when one horrible nasty cultist opened a gate to Cthulhu realm. After several sessions dealing with the aftermath, planar travel to other realms for help, a deal with a deity and endless sanity checks as well as irl frustration the gate was closed and I got back. What I did was "GM I cast reincarnate on the damn cultist who started this. OK true polymorph and turn him into a worm. Maintain concentration for an hour till it's permanent. Finally that's over." " OK I deserve a vacation. I think I will go (picking up the worm and looking at it) FISHING!"

[@teresaellis7062]

Perfect ending to the story. 😁

[@JeweledRoseStudios]

Oh wow do I remember these... 5th level party encountering a Deck of Many Things. I lost my stuff, an NPC got locked in a gemstone with a powerful demon, we accidentally monkey’s pawed a whole dinosaur continent before our cloudcuckoolander gnome druid drew one final card in secret... and Wished it was all undone and now 12 hours earlier. We all remembered though. Including the Demon. Couldn’t decide if he was more furious or amused at us completely undoing his new contracts, so he simply took the Deck for himself... and we were too stunned to argue it. Demon was an interesting grey character; obviously evil, but accidentally freed by our blundering and ended up making deals with our past-scarred Paladin of all people to both parties’ benefit. Kind of an odd DM insert of sorts in the end. Will always adore that campaign

[@Zakiel97]

Man in pathfinder there's some books that introduce a whooole lot of just straight up evil spells. For example "Greater Claim Identity" that just transforms someone into a mask for a day that you can wear to take on their appearance. Or "Curse of the Outcast" that is just a permanent effect that people in general are the least charitable to the victim in any given situation and it has to treat every charisma based skillcheck as if they had 5e's disadvantage. But my favorite evil spell pathfinder has to offer is "Green Caress", which is a spell that reduces the victims ability scores over the course of a week as it withers away (if it fails a single saving throw) and if one of their attributes hit 0 the victim just turns into a plant. A straight up plant you can put into your office or your shop or whatever until the next unlucky buffoon comes around to get turned into a plant, it's such a cool spell.

[@magiv4205]

That first one is some Majora's Mask shit. Damn.

[@magiv4205]

@@wilhelmseleorningcniht9410 i WONDER where they got that one from.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

Oh god, these would be beautiful/terrifying if they were ported to 5e

[@RexTenomous]

Beep boop this is a bot. remind me to check back later. Hopefully.

[@theapexsurvivor9538]

@@RexTenomous don't check back here later.

[@BookWyrmOnAString]

"or a Voldemort-style self-preservation" I guess lichdom is no longer NPC magic, guys! Also, I want to mention the 5th level spell Creation since Logan didn't. It. is. ridiculous. You can make up to to five cubic feet of practically anything. This includes plant matter(wood and more), rope, rubber, stone, metal, gems, maybe animal stuff like hide and ivory if your DM says ok, even adamantine and mythral can be made. There's a time limit on your creations that varies from material to material, but whatever. You can just just have. an adamantine bastard sword for a whole minute. That's ten rounds of combat, for *one 5th level spell slot*. And, when cast at higher levels than 5th, the cubic footage goes up, 5 more for each spell level. At 9th level that's 25 cubic feet. Finally, the spell has a range of 30 feet. You can drop stuff on people. this is one of those spells that you can get really creative with. summon a giant pumpkin to feed the party or others. create 5 cubic feet of feet sculptures or screaming rubber chickens as a diversion. clothe yourself when stranded out in the wilderness, renewing the spell just before your long rest so you lose no spell slots. (oops that was a lot of words sorry for making you read them but I think they were good words. worth your time. good job making it this far by the way, I hope you have a nice day :))

[@benthomason3307]

Creation: AKA conjure cartoon anvil

[@stormlightranger7277]

When I saw that spell for the first time, my immediate thought was to conjure antimatter. He told me no. I asked if I could conjure something I knew. He said yes. I said ok, my wizard summons a piece of the sun. Not amused

[@Olimar92]

The dropping stuff would be hard, because you would need to be within 30ft for 1min to do that.

[@Sorain1]

"What the hell is he spamming?" "Creation." "Why!?" "Oh... Oh damn." "Eah?" "He's called Hecatoncheires and is a telekinetic right?" "Yeah..." "That's about 100 greatswords alright."

[@lukebiltcliffe3359]

Pfft spells, who needs sooo many. I’ve got all the spells I need in one single spell, it’s called axe and I don’t need nothing else.

[@MayHugger]

Mind Axe

[@reverie5760]

@@MayHugger lol i got the reference

[@nightshadowdarkthenomad6023]

Some wizards think they can outsmart me. Maybe... maybe. I have yet to meet one that can outsmart an Axe.

[@MayHugger]

@@nightshadowdarkthenomad6023 Mirror Image. 'Lol, look at this dumbass swinging at nothing.'

[@mathybrain8]

@@nightshadowdarkthenomad6023 Mage Armor + Shield (the spell) + Bladesong. AC of at least 20 at level 2.

[@Leivve]

Dream is also a very powerful, and even deadly npc spell. Imagine a party going through the woods, and they go through a field of flowers. Congrats, you've now angered a fey for stepping on THEIR flower, so now they plague your party every night with nightmares, denying you long rest, and doing damage over time.

[@EvelynNdenial]

only 6 days and they're dead from exhaustion. top tier evil spell

[@somedrunkdude5728]

5th edition ranger: OMG I'M USEFUL

[@demolisherman1763]

I know a good wish, “I wish that whenever I die instead I am revived right behind my enemies with a big ass sword made out of fire, acid and pain”

[@devoutchaos375]

On the event of your first death, you are caught in an infinite loop of resurrecting, then dieing due to holding pure fire, acid and pain.

[@michaelmelbourne1059]

@@devoutchaos375 A

[@IrvingIV]

@@devoutchaos375 But then the enemy is the sword, so you appear behind it, while also holding it. You COULD just let go, you know.

[@eric_moore-6126]

You are revived made of fire, acid, and pain. You have a big ass sword sticking through you.

[@alheimianservant1499]

@@Kawatsume That is soo evil

[@verbatos9498]

Both a Tales of Alethrion and a Re:Zero reference? I was not expecting this

[@mgb360]

There was a Re:Zero reference? I managed to totally miss that.

[@Petq011]

@@mgb360 6:21 Dude... The *White whale of the mist* ;P :D

[@Petq011]

6:22 is more accurate probably but still. :D

[@Petq011]

@@mgb360 If you don't remember the *White whale of the mist* did you even watch the second half of the anime? Or like the middle... there were like 3-4 episodes with it, and about 2 more episodes of *Subaru* crying "I don't want to dye!" *Spoiler starts here...* while chased by the whale... *Spoiler ends here...* :D And no that shouldn't be a spoiler now since it's been like 4 Years since it aired and *Season 2* is confirmed for the start of *2020!* ... ;P :D

[@mgb360]

@@Petq011 Oops I'm stupid and it's been too long since I watched Re:zero. Also it's currently 4 AM.

[@NuclearCharm]

Didn't think about how wish lets you cast other classes' spells, I'm surprised I didn't realize that sooner

[@hyperbannana9262]

Omg im a idiot

[@harm9hb525]

I use wish to use create water at 8th level and fill all the lungs of the rest of the party with water.- this post was made by Anti Druid Gang

[@eric_moore-6126]

It's the first half or so of the spell description.

[@danielwitt1793]

That polymorph example actually happened in the campaign I’m in. We’re helping out a city under siege when a beholder comes out to bolster the failing enemy lines. Proceeds to fuck us up real bad. With my second to last spell slot I polymorph it into a rabbit, dump the rabbit into a sack, wild shape into a giant eagle and proceed to fly up as far as I can before dropping said bag. I think I ended up rolling 20d6 for fall damage and is so far the highlight of my dnd experience.

[@kevinduke8928]

As bad as glibness is, the 3e version (especially the way “bluffing” rules work per the PHB. ie it actually says that you can convince people of lies that are impossible with a high enough roll) was just down right stupid. An instant +30 for all bluff checks for 10 min/level. Yes. You read that right. +30. For 10 minutes. Per level of caster. Thats a +30 to all of your die rolls for bluff checks on top of the bonuses that you already have (probably in the 20s or 30s already). To ALL of your bluff checks. Some people argue that it was the most busted spell in the game. And outside of combat, they certainly have an argument (3e had a lot of busted stuff though 🤷‍♂️) To add insult to injury, it was in core. 3rd level bard only spell. Splat books gave it to a few other classes later. But it was core spell in PHB for bards. Dang. So basically, as per RAW AND RAI (i mean the bluff chart says you can convince people of things that are literally impossible to be true), as a bard, you can walk up to the king and convince him that he is a tomato and that you are the rightful king. One of my favorite characters was named in lieu of this spell: “Lyin” (pronounced Leon) “Bardstard”. 😂

[@benthomason3307]

good gods that's an entire build unto itself. end literally every fight in the game before it even starts with "but you're chickens! I'm not sure if you know this, but chickens aren't allowed to attack us. or to refuse to give us their stuff."

[@benthomason3307]

you could literally piss on someone's head and tell them it's raining.

[@kevinduke8928]

@@benthomason3307 haha oh ya! My bard would have glibness up all the time and the DM would make roles for the other PCs in the party against my bluff checks without them knowing (so as not to meta) and I basically had the whole party as my personal slaves for the entire campaign and they never knew! BUUUUUT, if you really want to get stupid though, look at diplomacy abuse in 3e. As a skill it was even worse than bluff. Glibness makes bluff worse with a bard, but, less glibness, diplomacy was superior as it (amongst many other ridiculous abuses) lets you stop any encounter and potentially have a slave friend for life. A diplomacy build was called a "diplomancer". As per RAW, a guy online worked out the math. At 8th level, it was possible to have a char at a 15% (skill mods can add up enough to make this work) to walk up to a Balor Demon (CR20 monster) and befriend him for life. 15% doesn't sound like much until you realize you are only 8th level. He is CR20. Before combat starts you have a 15% chance to stop an IMPOSSIBLE encounter. If you did it right he could also be your slave. Balor: I will destroy you mortal and feast on your soul after tormenting you for 1,000 years! Char: Ha ha your silly! Be my friend and do what I say forever cuz I'm so adorable. Balor: Geez you are a cute lil' thing. OK! To make matters worse, RAW, once the victim fails against the diplomacy challenge, he can never challenge it ever again (barring attacking him... but who would attack and risk losing their pet Balor??). If that wasn't enough, a diplomacy check is non-magical, so things with magic resistance or magic immunity have no save against it. AND if that wasn't bad enough, to make it the biggest SH_T sundae in the realm of straight up rule-raping, cheating scams, and confirm that YOU are dirty, rotten, low down good for nothing MIN/MAXing CHEATER, NPCs cannot (nor PCs for that matter) use diplomacy checks against PCs. YES! PCs are immune to diplomacy checks against them in 3e according to RAW. The best builds in my opinion were Charisma builds. Get glibness and spend all you gold and resources on boosting your social skills (bluff, diplomacy, and intimidate) and you are now an unstoppable monster against the DM. MUahahahaha!!!

[@jakestavinsky3480]

@@benthomason3307 super late to the party, but I recall that RAW 3.5e had "feinting" rules where you could make a bluff check to trick your opponent

[@skookyskellingtons]

I once played a warlock in a really long campaign that started with Strahd. We didn't manage to kill Strahd and we ended up escaping Barovia only to return later as the vampire was hellbent in taking us down. What I did was to acquire a large diamond and use Imprisonment on Strahd's unconscious body after we took him down to 0 HP and he retreated to his coffin. Our GM ruled it that since he was unconscious he would automatically fail any save and we ended up efretti bottling him, we then went to the Fortress of Memories and gave it to the Raven Queen as a gift. At this point some plot stuff happened and we thought it'd help her regain her sanity, it kind of did. Campaign ended when we got to lvl 20 and decided to go and do the same to Vecna, but RL scheduling started getting in our way.

[@GrimmDestiny8]

I've never actually heard of honey, and I know people who could actually use this. Thanks Runesmith

[@kilotheneko2064]

How ? It's literally all over the site

[@zaikolebolsh5724]

I call bullshit

[@Davion197]

Never heard of it either, and it sounds fishy anyways.

[@Boundless-Boredom]

Terran Nobody its actually pretty useful. I dont buy much online. Usually the savings are like 2-5% off for whatever i buy but ive never had any problems with it.

[@vulture_5212]

I've had honey for months and literally never gotten a discount from it. Every online site I go on leaves honey blank and empty in the corner of my screen. Don't quote me on this, but I'm fairly certain that when I first got it, a website - Redbubble, I think - was offering a discount code and honey didn't even pick up on it, despite the fact that it was advertised on the site.

[@spore4ever91]

I remember in The Adventure Zone, they used Magic Jar in a not-exactly-correct way at a really critical plot moment lol

[@varasatoshi3961]

Glibness + Counterspell ;) lore bards, man.

[@AntTheBugcather]

The most satisfying use of a wish spell as a DM is to cast simulacrum on the party's wizard or paladin. Making them fight versions of themselves is pretty funny.

[@Rick_Harper]

Use True Polymorph to turn your enemies into toilets, or the appropriate waste disposal device in your campaign. Now that's evil.

[@CallMeXRVEN]

Or turn your enemy into a T-rex and enslave them with 7th level Geas.

[@misterturkturkle]

You wanna get real evil. Start looking at heavy object damage. You can do wild stuff like dimension door yourself and a decent sized rock directly above an enemy and feather fall. Watch em get smashed flat by 20d6 damage at 7th level.

[@johannesk6209]

You have forgotten one of the most creative low-level spell: Nystul's magic aura.

[@meeshermans297]

Darn Logan you've ruined me, Runecrest is my life now. It's fine tho, it's not like i had anything better to do ;-;

[@meeshermans297]

Zed here, for those familiar with him lol

[@dangermittens2656]

I always view persuasion deceptions and intimidation rolls as: given what information is available and your actions a high roll only guarantees that the best possible outcome will occur. Not "instantly win" just not being killed for flirting with the dragon because they found you amusing.

[@selensewar]

Night. Charm person on annoying humanoid, rope trick, "come i'll show you something awesome", sleep, murder them, casually walk away, 1 hour later a corpse falls from the sky in the middle of the morning street.

[@Sorain1]

Now there's the 'what actually happened' for one hell of a mystery!

[@Bluecho4]

If you, the DM, want to keep Glibness from completely ruining your game, remember that convincing people to do what the character wants can take as many rolls - and require as much time convincing _per roll_ - as you say it does. The bigger the ask, the more a character will need to work at changing the person's mind. Even with Glibness, you aren't going to be able to convince a king to make you his heir, kill him, and then make everyone go along with what you just did. At least, not in a single hour. This is also why the "roll to seduce" is not the blanket answer Bard Jokes make it out to be. Even people who are remotely interested in doing it with your character (which may be a non-starter depending on sexual preference) are not necessarily going to do it just because your character put on the charm and rolled a nat 20. Not everyone is that easy. It should take time and rolls to get anyone who isn't desperate for a hook-up or a complete fool to acquiesce. Especially if there's something more important they should be doing, and if you've already made them hostile. Glibness helps with this, but the people are still rational actors (at least in theory).

[@darksteelmenace595]

Or you could just set the DC to 30/impossible ...

[@eveescastle5866]

Ok, but Dominate Person

[@dirgenmeister4018]

i think if a player casts glibness and you do this its going to be pretty obvious that you just dont want them to do the thing. literally every spell in the game can be useless if the dm decides that they dont want you to do smth. i once was playing through the rise of tiamat and at the end i wanted to resurrect tiamat's avatar body and use it to conquer the world. i got the cleric to cast wish and wished for tiamat to be ressurrected and under my command... the dm then said "tiamat is ressurrected and under your command. you're also time travelled to the end of the world and you instantly die."

[@darksteelmenace595]

@@dirgenmeister4018 Tbh that was a really dumb wish and the correct response as a dm is probably “nothing happens“

[@Anegor]

@@darksteelmenace595 Bard with Glibness will be getting a 15+ 5+(6*2)=32 minimum so they gonna pass that :^ )

[@Nyrufa]

The Wish spell did used to have a pretty substantial drawback to using it. In previous editions, it would age the caster by 10 years for every wish granted. And you could only cast it a maximum of 3 times for any specific character. After the third wish was granted, they could never use the spell again!

[@hoodiesticks]

There's a much easier way to use Magic Jar as a villain: possess a giant. Ideally a hill or stone giant, since they have low charisma and will be fairly easy to possess. The spell states you keep your mental stats and class features (i.e. your spells) but you gain the possessed creatures physical stats, including HP, natural armor, and things like multiattack. Essentially, your frail little spellcaster now has no weaknesses (assuming you've properly protected your jar).

[@FattyMcFox]

Asmodeus: "I rule here, i control an army of fiends, i am like unto a god!" Wizard: "I wish you weren't" *twiddles his thumbs* Asmodeus: "Oh sh-" *becomes a level 1 NPC* ( Update for y'all rules lawyering this, It's a joke. Chuckle at it and move on. )

[@patheronaetherson2860]

Wish may be powerful, but I highly, highly doubt that it could be used to oust the Lord of Nine

[@MarcusDarkstar]

@@patheronaetherson2860 Theoretically it can though. Its just up to a DM's discretion. That said no DM worth his salt would make it so powerful.

[@FattyMcFox]

@@patheronaetherson2860 Jokes on the internet don't always have to make sense Mechanically. They don't even always have to make sense.

[@elf-lordsfriarofthemeadowl2039]

@@FattyMcFox I think, in Lore, Wish cannot overpower gods and AO (in the forgotten realms). In older editions gods could cast Wish at will, essentially their Wishes all canceling out each other or only affecting the mortal plane & plane they rule. Otherwise you can get SUPER gamebreaking and Lorebreaking stuff like this.

[@leofloyd-preston1636]

9th level spells can’t overpower gods. That takes 12th level spells, only one of which has ever been cast

[@Brendanj101]

I thought Contingency had to be a (5th level or lower) spell that has a cast time of 1 action?

[@kevinbarber2795]

I can imagine the Soul Jar body snatchers being a cool thing for a game. You could do it to a PC and the party has to realize their friend isn’t the same person. Basically you have one player role, and if they fail, slip them a note saying they are now EvilMcEvilson in their body, and their evil goal is X. The rest of the party doesn’t know, and will have to figure it out.

[@Tomha]

I remember having planned a great big hussle in 3.5 I was making a Necromancer focused on making super undead. Corpsecrafter feats to maximize their powers, and leveling between Wizard, Cleric, and True Necromancer. It was a very specific build so deviation wasn't an option. (So no Sorcerer to ease up on my stats) The DM liked trying to keep me from making good undead so almost all our enemies were humans. Which gave me an idea. "Become undead, and reap the perks of my corpsecrafting!" The plan was 1 Wizard, 3 Cleric, and then start leveling TN for several levels, and then Mystic Theurge. So here's where we get crazy. TN's get "Create Undead" as a Spell like Ability, and the caster level is your total level + another feature they get called "Necromantic Prowess" which increases your Necromancy based spells caster level, powers, and such by +whatever, that include Rebuke Undead, the Death Domain ability, and you. So you hussle your way to at least lvl 18, cast contingency (The spell level cap in 3.5 was lvl 6 spells), apply Create Undead and right here you can choose either Mohrg, or Mummy, die, and become one of them, only paying about 1.5K for the focus. It would have been more expensive cause of the material component, but this is a Spell Like Ability, which is free. So right off the bat, before I even apply the stat changes the undead form gave me, I would get +8 STR, +4 DEX, +5 HP per HD, +1d6 cold per natural attack, +4 Turn Resistance, +4 Initiative AND +10 base speed. Mohrg would have no real penalties besides being an ugly fucker, while Mummy hits me with -4 INT, effectively sacrificing my Wizard power. Vampires, and Liches cannot benefit from almost all my undead making bonuses, which really sucks cause that Lich would just be godlike. The campaign however ended by lvl 10 because nobody was happy with the campaign and wanted to just quit.

[@-undecided-1663]

This gave me a pretty cool idea, a villain trapped underground by a pseudo imprisonment influencing the world with magic jar

[@nadamada8328]

I really want to use Magic jar one of these days since it has the potential for so many short and long term shenannigans. In the short term, if you work with a minion or a teammate, you can easily use this in combat to quickly eliminate one enemy. Or, use it more deceptivally, and take over bodies of important peoples in order to quickly sew deciet, help the party, or to get them into a better positon for theoretical capture or... assassination. For the long run though, lets say a wizard chooses to steal and keep a body that's pretty much built to perfection, it would buff the wizard a fair amount, since this body's physical score are likely higher than the wizard's, and the wizard gets to keep all of his Inteligience and other mental scores, they'll essentially become the epitome of brain AND brawn. To add to the insanity, you could potentially use it as a risky form of immortal. Whenever the body you're wearing is about to break down due to wounds or age, pop yourself back into your jar and find another good meat sack! I'm surprised it's not a more popular spell due to the morally grey tom foolery it promotes. To be fair, it is rather complicated, and is a 6th level spell, but still, so much potential. (Sidenote: If only it was a 5th level spell, then contingency would work with it! But sadly it isn't)

[@brandonmarr9080]

Wish and simulacrum with a warforged: you cast simulacrum on yourself, then have your simulacrum use wish to cast simulacrum on yourself. Since you still have your 9th lvl spell slot, the 2nd simulacrum also has 9th lvl spell slots, multiple simulacrums can be made, because the simulacrums are making them, so you're not casting it more than once and you can simply tell your simulacrum to give it's control of it's simulacrum to you, as well as to tell future generations of simulacrums to do the same. Simulacrums last until dispelled or destroyed, and warforged don't need food or drink, despite being classified as humanoids, not constructs. Furthermore, you only need the components for one simulacrum and after that wish will create the components for you. Add a few wished clones in there for good measure, then rinse and repeat = infinite army

[@cheesedemon88]

I’ve actually used the soul jar as a player once. We created fake warforged bodies to possess, used them to enter a flying tower and flew said tower into the sun to destroy an artefact of Orcus that was in our possession. It was awesome.

[@SladePate]

Evil spells? Time to take notes >:)

[@TYOjoe]

you forgot about Otiluke's Resilient Sphere. Trap someone in there and just roll them off a cliff and dispell

[@Sorain1]

Trap them in ORS, then roll them into the lava and grab some marshmellows.

[@thelonewanderer1964]

I love the contingency spell. But I am sorry to say that it is firm on the whole "Contingent spell must have a casting time of 1 action" thing.

[@samuellillge9319]

Here's another use for Imprisonment: In one of the options, the target is shrunk down and placed into a gemstone. However, it specifies that you cannot teleport into the gemstone using spells, and the gemstone cannot be damaged in any way until the spell is broken. Make note of this. Additionally, you've probably heard of the Sending Stones. Sure, they can talk to the person with the other sending stone, but the ability that I'm focused on is how one sending stone can teleport itself and its posessor to the location of the other. It doesn't specify that the other one needs to be in posession of another creature. This means that you can find a giant gemstone into a base of your liking. Then, make a slot for you to slide in a sending stone into a room, which is how you get in. Finally, cast this spell on some poor rat or something using the gemstone base you just made and you have yourself an impenetrable fortress.

[@gilliam8897]

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[@invisiblehand13]

So, did you get your homework done?

[@gilliam8897]

@@invisiblehand13 No! I went to my History class to take a test and skipped English so I didn't have to deal with my professor and so I can finish my paper.

[@invisiblehand13]

@@gilliam8897 Good luck to you, sir! I may your prof accept your paper at 100% full credit.

[@brandonbrock-smith1600]

Rune: If i was a magic warlock... Me, (Synt in his DnD Server): You are though.

[@connorcoltrane1777]

You mentioned Feeblemind as another possibility, and I think a villain could use it in several ways. If they have powers with Intelligence or Charisma saves, they can use it to make people vulnerable to those powers. If someone's causing trouble, you can take them out with it and use them as an example to others. In a similar vein, you could likely scare people into doing anything if you threaten them with a magical lobotomy. There are probably other uses, but those are the ones that sprang to mind.

[@Master_E444]

Perfect Spell Combo for an unscrupulous Warlock: Imprisonment + Glibness. You trap a few of your Enemies in little gems with the Minimus Containment. Then you cast Glibness on yourself and sneak into a Meeting of your worst enemies. You show them there eternally imprisoned allies and try to Intimidate them. Given you’d need to be high level for Glibness and Imprisonment, you should have at least +5 to Intimidate and +11 if you’re proficient. So you Get a 26 to Intimidate a whole room of evil dudes who likely are scared pantsless and are gonna have Disadvantage on their Insight Check. If I were to DM, I’d give the player a standing ovation for such creative thinking and slap them for making the BBEGs pee themselves in fear.

[@Mazaroth]

6:23 "Guy's, i don't watch anime", Cory in the house. Oh my god i miss Papa Franku ;__;

[@zubbworks]

R.I.P.

[@EM-lk7jw]

Is he right on the contingency spell? It says " Choose a spell of 5th level or lower that you can cast, that has a casting time of 1 action", so you cant to the casting time of 24 hours to instant ( 7:51 ). Or am I missing something?

[@martinsmouter9321]

Correct

[@martinsmouter9321]

*correct 24 hour casting time spells aren't an option.

[@xcyoteex]

I do like having stats for spells like this. It provides a template to judge the difficulty of dealing with these spells as a PC. And it gives us a template for designing our own spells.

[@ascapedgoat8462]

How to realize a sorcerer’s potential. 1: Have counterspell 2: Have wish 3: Use wish to cast glibness 4: Remember that your counterspells are charisma based checks. 5: Enjoy never rolling below a 20 on counterspell.

[@SuperParkourio]

Contingency only works on spells with a casting time of 1 action.

[@Fure2]

The real danger of wish: fight an uber powerful evocation style wizard with action surge or legendary actions. Just before he's about to bite the dust with low hp or spell slots he casts wish stating "I wish to have all the benefits of a long rest effective immediately". Oh snap.

[@Sorain1]

And then if he's smart he quickened time stops and teleports the feth away so he can reset his backup plan.

[@Trueknightofblades]

I have always been fond of using True Polymorph to permanently turn a target into an item, and then tuck them away somewhere. It is handy when you are a character bent on vengeance against the "Hero" of the world, and you know that, even if you kill them, the Gods won't punish them for their crimes against you. "The Legendary Hero, who murdered my brother for working as a guard on the wrong estate, is now a crappy brass locket tucked somewhere in the bottom of a forgotten tomb. My vengeance is complete."

[@NStripleseven]

Contingency is quite the spell, because you can basically make yourself unkillable. What you do is make a permanent teleportation circle somewhere safe, then use contingency to cast Teleport on yourself going there. About to die? That’s fine, just say “lol bye” and warp yourself the heck out of there. Edit: looked it up, turns out it requires you to keep a little statuette of yourself on you at all times, but that shouldn’t be too hard with a couple other spells and creative ideas.

[@cozmo891]

the rp server has been sick, rune. Keep it up!

[@weezact7]

The problem with Glibness is people assume that passing a Deception check means you've brainwashed the target and they are helpless to do anything but believe you. Which is dumb. Passing a Deception check means you sound honest or, at least, give no clues regarding your deception via communication. So, yes, people with no reason NOT to believe you, are probably going to do so because you sound trustworthy, but it doesn't prevent people from disbelieving you. Think about it in terms of real life. Sometimes people lie to you. Sometimes they sound convincing or say the right thing and you go along with the lie because it sounds believable. But if you KNOW they're lying, it doesn't matter how trustworthy or honest they sound, you KNOW they're lying. Likewise, you can choose to disbelieve even the most honest sounding person, even if they're telling the truth. Some people are just fucking paranoid like that. My advice as a DM is to never let players brainwash NPCs with a Charisma check. Deception checks should never force a course of action. If they succeed, the target should assume this person sounds honest and act accordingly. Similarly, for all Charisma rolls, the target's relationship with the roller and the outlandishness and/or (un)beneficence of the request should adjust the DC accordingly (I recommend a +/- 10, 4, 2). If the target likes the roller, the check is easier. If they have reason to dislike the roller, it's harder. If the lie is believable or the deal is good, the roll should be easier, if it's an absurd lie or an obviously bad deal, the roll should be harder.

[@jamesgibbs6716]

I heard of a campaign ending once because the BBEG, a former PC, didn't like that the party was trying to steal his magic item that lets him cast infinite wishes. (Somehow, he'd used up all but one of the *infinite* uses.) The party wanted his toy, so he literally said "I wish there was no universe." and the entire universe disappeared. It's the pettiest story I've ever heard.

[@sananaryon4061]

Imprisonment can be counteracted by a normal Dispel Magic, if the caster is lucky. I once had my lv. 5 cleric, with her only 3rd level spell slot, save the entire city of Waterdeep from doom by saving the Blackstaff from Manshoon's imprisonment

[@jadesapphira4325]

When my tiefling druid hits lv 17, im gettibg him shapechange so he can become a pit demon

[@optimus2200]

2 things I hate about shapechange. its concentration and it doesn't give you access to the equipment a creature holds in its stats. you need to get a mace in a back up just because ....

[@jadesapphira4325]

@@optimus2200 i assumed it just materialises in your hand in a wraith of flame. Also pit demons have hella constitution and you can still get war caster while shaped

[@jadesapphira4325]

What i really wish there was is a 9th level conjure spell, something like conjure abberation or conjure fiend. The last conjure spell like that is conjure celestial at 7th level and that spell isnt even available to druids. You know, the conjure class

[@optimus2200]

@@jadesapphira4325 sadly the reality is the if the item can be summoned it would have said so in the sheet. and also sadly at level 17 when you hit you are going to get massive damage to the degree of 50+ damage. so getting a creature with legendary resistance is always better. is mostly a dragon is a better option unless you got lucky and met one of the princes of the elemental evil.

[@jadesapphira4325]

@@optimus2200 yeah, my druid has a seen a green dragon eviserate a city. Also apparently GATE is the strongest conjure creature spell, it'just got a really misleading name. And it's only for sorcerers, wizards and clerics. Fuck clerics

[@defensivekobra3873]

Uncle logans guide to evil spells and where to find them

[@eruditecaptain3117]

4:37 Runesmith is apparently into Danny Gonzalez and Drew Gooden, and that makes me happy.

[@nraah4707]

I remember when my Grim Jester was imprisoned into a crystal buttplug. Great fun. And imagine not liking getting to the high levels after dealing with many hours of struggling.

[@vanessamorales2896]

Last time I was this early Logan was part of xp to level 3

[@PhileasLiebmann]

Attention! This video has been approved by the Tales of Alethrion Hype Squad. Carry on.

[@levichang6074]

Magic jar is one of my favourites Spells in dnd. I’ve used it to control entire armies. It’s amazing.

[@floopthevolcano2330]

The thing about polymorph, is that it ends when the target takes damage. I argue that since drowning or smothering the target instantly kills it, it doesn't take damage, so it just...dies.

[@DrunkManSquakin666]

The spirit of Polymorph in a nutshell: "Ooh, I know! I'll turn him into a flea, a harmless, little flea. Then, I'll put that flea in a box. Then, I'll put that box inside of another box. Then, I'll mail that box to myself and when it arrives... AH, HA! HA! I'll smash it with a hammer!" Seriously, though; if you're DM, don't allow Polymorph; ain't no one wanna deal with the wizard turning himself into a dragon or turning the BBEG into a chihuahua and having the orc punt him or some other bullshit. And don't get me started on Polymorph Any Object! XD

[@Gloomdrake]

Would anyone blame the DM for making the BBEG immune to the spell, though?

[@DrunkManSquakin666]

@@Gloomdrake I suppose not, but if he doesn't do it right, it can feel contrived. If, say, the wizard is... well, JoCat, then making him immune to Fireball makes more sense and as far as I'm aware, spell immunity only works on one spell at a time. It also doesn't stack? I'm far more familiar with 3.5, but I digress. Also, especially in 3.5, that wouldn't stop my evil ass from turning the fighter into a 12-headed hydra or some shit. Seriously, that spell is broken as all hell. XD

[@bestaround3323]

You know polymorph can only turn creatures into beasts right? What you are thinking of is true polymorph which is a 9th level spell. Also most of not all bosses have legendary resistances by level 7 and all of them will have it at 17. If you don't keep one for the parties real nasty moves then you have noone but yourself to blame for your bbeg getting turned into a rat?

[@DrunkManSquakin666]

@@bestaround3323 Ah, so they addressed that in 5e. Good. As I said, I'm far more familiar with 3.5, which states that you change a willing creature's form to that of another living creature and that said form can be of the same type or that of the following types: aberration, animal, dragon, fey, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, ooze, plant, or vermin. It's also 4th level. Mind you, this only works on a willing creature, but Baleful Polymorph, which is 5th level, doesn't. Also... really, now? So, they have that by virtue of being a boss or what? Such a thing does not exist in 3.5 to my knowledge, but I could be wrong.

[@vulture_5212]

@@DrunkManSquakin666 I mean, even if the party does turn the BBEG into a rat, when a polymorphed creature's transformed form dies, it just turns back into its regular form at the same hit points it was on before it transformed. All you'd get by turning the BBEG into a rat and stomping on it is one less spell slot.

[@CanadianCrits]

Did you just mention casting a spell with "Flash"? I see you're a MTG player?

[@overse7938]

Logan: wish has no negative effects Me: *laughs in 4D10 necrotic damage*

[@eric_moore-6126]

That doesn't happen if you copy another spell with it

[@coryscout1]

I know this video is old and I'm not the first person to say it, but another great thing about glibness is the mechanical applications of ALL charisma checks being 15+CHA+Prof. This would include your spellcasting checks, so you can cast dispel magic and counterspell at their lowest levels and interuppt/nullify any spell regardless of level. Or always roll a minimum of 20 on the telekinesis spell check to move a creature and the check to maintain control of your summoned fiend using infernal calling.

[@ahmedfalahy9337]

Great...even spells have an alignment... Are there Neutral-Neutral spells? I bet those would be OP

[@aluksus9327]

Wish is kinda neutral neutral tho

[@Davion197]

No service is "free". It always comes at a cost. I've never heard of it, but for some reason I don't trust it. Sounds fishy. Great video though.

[@saltefan5925]

If it's free, you're the product. Without further proof, I half expect them to sell your user info (what stuff you buy with their codes) to other companies.

[@RaisedtoSabbath]

I've actually seen someone use Polymorph for roughly that purpose. Turned a fire giant mage who was mulching his party into a mole, then chucked her into a hallway with an enchantment that almost completely obliterated her hp, before she was finished off with one of the nastiest castings of Blight I've ever seen. High Rollers: Lightfall was a really fun campaign to watch

[@ericsheogorath9978]

This was one of your best vids. Nice work

[@verbatos9498]

Last time I was this early I didn't even have a group, wait, I still don't.

[@Harrythebotar]

Magic jar is a hell of a spell and I had a PC use it. Its a long story so I will try to make it as short and too the point as possible. Doing a one shot that was basically the Westminster dog show but magic, and the only rule I had is the equivalent pet the player brought was 10th level. Many PC's brought many things but my friend Owen brought a old man and a cat. Surprise surprise, the PC's are ambushed as they sleep and the gimmick of the one shot is revealed in which the players are playing their pets. The issue was, Owen was still playing his character. Because I set no restriction on the characters, they rolled up with a lvl 20 wizard who used magic jar on their familiar to cheese the shit out of the dog show. They accidentally liched themselves, they possessed a drunk, casted BONE SHATTER on Lassie and then possessed little Timmy, rolled a bluff check to grieve with a family and was well on their way to ending up on Pharasma's short list for getting the bat. Sadly they never got too the dog show as the one shot ended them on the boat too the city getting attacked by a giant crab, which they planned to posses. Long story short, Magic is a hell of a drug kids, don't do it. And don't set limits for one shots, this was hilarious.

[@goosevibes6867]

That last polymorph idea makes me think of the time a wizard in my party turned a giant crab into a mouse, threw them in a room barely larger that the giant crab then stopped the spell that crab had a bad time

[@anthonymayo9769]

Great video just what I was looking for

[@Ricky-jl1wf]

If you are a divination wizard and have time, you can keep using Portent until you get low numbers, use any spell that needs a saving throw and ruin the day of ANY non-legendary creature. Stone golem from the end of Hoard of the Dragon Queen spooked you? Polymorph it into a pug and throw it off the flying castle. Make it someone else's problem.

[@Gojin91]

One thing I hate about wish is that not enough DMs just refuse to have your wish granted. Part of the spell states that the DM can simply have the spell do nothing. I had a DM, who I no longer play with, who ran multiple campaigns in the same setting that all took place at the same time. One person got a wish and reset the multiverse. Instead of saying, no you don't get to make that wish because it invalidates other players actions, hard work and agency. They decided yeah sure why not on top of that no downsides to you casting it outside of the normal exhaustion.

[@alexruiz4468]

There are also a bunch of specifically evil spells in a book called the book of vile darkness, I remember one spell in it was a spell that turns the caster’s tongue into a snake that serves as a reach weapon

[@Sorain1]

Also there was 'Eyeblight' which detonated the targets eyes in a cone of acid in whatever direction they were facing (also blinding them of course) and the only spell common to both the Book of Vile Darkness and Book of Exalted Deeds... though it got renamed to 'Programmed Amnesia' in the latter and for some reason wasn't evil or cost you constitution damage to cast... somehow.

[@onfrolicker9317]

The best way to use the deck of many is cast a contingency that if you pull donjon you cast magic jar. The only way you can leave the jar is by possessing something so the donjon effect fizzles. Then you can draw through the deck and get every other card without fear of getting donjon’d

[@gwest3644]

By the way, Anti-Life Shell isn’t the best protection. It technically only stops living stuff from entering the shell, so if your enemy has a long pole arm or literally any ranged attack, you’re screwed.

[@sillwullivan83]

My dm once did something terrifying. He had the bbeg, who was a level 20 Wizard, cast magic jar and took over a tarraque. And the way he ran it was that the tarrasque could also cast 9th level spells. It was a terrifying encounter.

[@IShallCallHimTaders]

We ended up defeating a devil archwizard by trapping it in an iron flask, and on it, it possessed a Ruby gem with a beholder imprisoned in it. With its antimagic stare still active. So it essentially made an antimagic cone that negated all magic within a 10 foot cylinder in front of the gem. Which my wizard promptly turned into a gorget with a closing sphere on the front using her expertise with tinkering. Essentially making it so after every turn that she cast a spell, she could have this antimagic cone up in front of her that completely negated magical effects cast in her direction. I'm going to use it when we fight Vecna.

[@boitata2617]

Imprisonment only flaw is that it can be dispelled (granted only with a 9 level spell slot, no ability check allowed) and it requires you set a condition for it to end, in my opnion it should give you the option of choosing one or the other, either you don't set a condition and it might be dispelled, or you do come with one and it cannot dispelled any other way outside of the condition. Otherwise everyone would always make the condition "The spell lasts until a creature casts dispel magic on it with a 9th level spell slot" to minimize the chances of breaking the spell

[@athonkiller2980]

This is perfect, I am running an evil player campaign and I can’t wait to see these in action!!!

[@ProfessorVuubik]

Polyhedron actually has a guide for rulings on wishes, and next to that- using actual cited uses of the spell in-campaign settings is the best way to go if you want to know the limits/what can be done with it. Bar that- use a large compendium of magic to achieve the desired effects of a spell, within the rules the spells allow, similar to how some spells state ‘use as X spell for X’.

[@parazrael]

Kinda surprised the actual Feeblemind spell didn’t make the list, since it amounts to an arcane lobotomy and requires a very rare save to avoid it

[@thoronbar]

Heck yeah. I hate to be the guy who just references Critical Role, but they had a clutch Feeblemind against a high-level spellcasting dragon. Extremely tense moment as the save was rolled, followed by exhilaration as the dragon failed.

[@bestaround3323]

@@thoronbar did it use all of it's legendary resistances already. Cause if not it would have 100% use one on it.

[@river7874]

@@thoronbar That was such an epic moment in that campaign. I swore that Raishan was going to annihilate them too, but that clutch Feeblemind saved them.

[@thoronbar]

@@bestaround3323 Matt knew what he was doing. If there had been a Legendary Resistance to use, he would have used it.

[@MegaNightmare4]

My campaign is set 100 years after someone used a wish spell to wish that "everyone would just get along," which meant that everything, everywhere, one every plane, is now forced to get along. Conflict of any kind became literally impossible. All wars simultaneously ended, angels and demons became friends. The gods put aside their differences. Races like mindflayers became vegan. Being generally a nice person became an absolute law of the universe, like gravity or time.