5 FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS WITH OWNING A MCLAREN 600LT

[@raymondblades297]

A South African that knows his cars .. and has a KZbin channel?I'm glad I found you 💯you earned this sub

[@BasicBenjamin]

Thanks Raymond! Appreciate the comment and the sub! Keep it up!

[@clouds5866]

🇿🇦 finally

[@martyndyson9501]

The reason most cars below the F1,P1,Senna and extremely low (25 units or less) limited series MSO models/variations (mainly HS 688) is because of Mclarens business plan, from when they started building the Mp4 12c they will have had a business plan for the next 25/30 years to build a range sports cars catering for different targets in the market, to grow a company you need a plan and depending on how quickly you want to grow the company along with assets like warehousing/tools/materials/staff ect ect, being a bespoke car manufacturer means you have to also build the brand and go up against other bespoke companies that have been house hold names for almost 100 years, so if you want to stay relevant and on par with these bigger companies you will need product, there is no point in producing 1 car every 5/10 years because you won't be able to grow quickly like that, if you did do it that way then yes their cars would not depreciate and given how good mclarens design and technology is im sure those cars would be going up in worth every year, however the company would stay extremely small and probably only have a few employees building a limited number of the same car for 10 years, they would also only have one target market of extremely rich people and no show rooms all around the world which helps grow the brand immensely, they would have the odd salesman sharing the odd showroom with bigger bespoke car manufacturers with more options. So Mclaren has obviously gone down the other route of flooding the market with plenty of models and variations at a wide price margin catering for quite a large target market for a bespoke car manufacturer, it means they grow the brand and its prestige a lot quicker, they can take on more experience staff, showrooms, salesmen and advertisements, they can compete with the bigger older more known companies, but it comes at a cost, those people who buy the more numerous range of models will lose out on depreciation because mclaren are bringing out newer, better models extremely quickly especially for something that's still very expensive at £200,000 to 400,000 price range, they are helping the brand grow though and McLaren knows this, this is why they do try to give a lot back to those range of customers, they do a lot of car meets for mclaren owners and things along those lines to help the experience, mclaren can still cater for their extremely rich customers but it's the customers that buy the more normal models that are contributing to building the brand, once the 25/30 year plan has been reached and the mclaren brand is just as big and as known as Ferrari,Porshe, Lamborghini I'm quite sure they will slow down with flooding the market and that will help more models hold their value, it's obviously working because plenty of people are still willing to buy those models even though they know what will happen, and that can only work if the product is good, yes mclaren does have a problem with electronics and fit n finish on the cheaper cars and that's probably due to less hours per car so a profit can be made and the electronics will obviously get better given time, don't forget they have only been building production cars for about 10 years, the mechanics are sound along with their performance so I think they are doing a brilliant job given their age compared to bigger older companies, they are definitely here to stay and they have definitely given those other companies a kick up the arse, the competition between the top companies now is amazing and it's helped all the brands become more relevant and popular.

[@BasicBenjamin]

Martyn Dyson This is an awesome comment Martin, Thank you so much for this! This is exactly the conversation I wanted to start. I agree with the points that you have stated and I’m so thankful for the time that you put into this. Here in South Africa the value of Mclaren’s depletes drastically after 1 year of owning one, of cause not all but many owners have mentioned they are upset but this, hence the mention in the video. I’m sure Mclaren has their reasons and they are valid. It’s just a pity that a car of this caliper, even though a young company, looses value, Every small company(and I say this lightly) does start off small and slowly. Being a Mclaren Fanboy myself, I cannot wait to see the growth and expansion of this company. Again, thank you so much for this comment!

[@vika0194]

Write a book

[@raymondblades297]

@@BasicBenjamin which McLaren do you think is the best value McLaren that any hardworking individual can buy for less than a million dollars?

[@r33fal]

Fair point on the alcantara wheel. You just have to make sure you wash your hands before you drive every time and you can stretch to maybe 10k

[@BasicBenjamin]

Rafal G I agree, If its a weekend worrier, then I think you can maybe push 10 000, but how many times do these guys wash their hands when out with mates and all leaving at once, they want to all show off so the quicker you get to the car, the better.

[@sanglemalt]

@@BasicBenjamin I have a 600LT. 15k. daily driver. I just wear old school driving gloves. Better grip and feel. No issues with the steering wheel. I actually prefer alcantara to leather because the leather just looks old after a while whereas the alcantara looks good for a longer period of time. The leather feels better with bare hands though. I don't care what anyone thinks about me wearing gloves. Didn't agree with some of your points. 1. Longtail - it's not just that. the brakes and suspension from the 720S. 100kg lighter. wider track. aero. The only option for senna seats. track telemetry. less sound insulation. exhaust placement. more carbon everywhere. 2. Doors - it's one of the attractions and you live with the pro's and con's. 3. Expense - a lot of people get stuck on options. The base car is good. All opinions though. My 600 is my daily driver. It was the closest thing that I could find that felt like a lotus lol.

[@tzukima]

Naresh Dayananda how’s the ground clearance for daily driving?

[@XennialGuy]

@@sanglemalt Yeah, alcantara, unlike leather, is manmade and is actually more resilient in the long run. Alcantara steering wheels that look worn out are usually not really worn out, they are just caked with dirt and grime. All you need is a good alcantara cleaner to get it back to like new condition. Even a generic vehicle fabric cleaner will work wonders. Also agree that there is a lot more to the LT than just a body kit. In addition to what you stated, the 600LT has a faster steering rack, Senna brake booster, shortest production car exhaust, stiffer motor mounts, and faster tranny program.

[@sanglemalt]

@@tzukima the lift kit it's fine. Better than the lotus exige lol.

[@piotrwarmia6080]

I like that doors the opening much awesome about Lambo.

[@bhyat]

Ooooh those smooth smooth cinematics 😍😍

[@BasicBenjamin]

Muhammad Bhyat thanks so much man!! Agree to any of the points? I’m glad you enjoying the cinematic’s🤙🏻

[@thenecessaryevil410]

@@BasicBenjamin Can you tell me what is the name and brand of the rims on this Mclaren 600LT?

[@jahsclips2792]

Nice vids man, just stumbled on one of your videos and I hope you keep this up. Clean, informative and nice cinematics, love your videos :)

[@BasicBenjamin]

hey Josh, thanks for the comment man! I appreciate the kind words and happy to hear you like the content. Definitely keeping it up, try and drop a video every Sunday.

[@brycerajan]

Hi BasicBenjamin , I like the viewpoints raised. I would suggest that next time, perhaps try a live stream so that people can comment on the fly with your opinions. Cheers and have a great Sunday. PS: we are all eagerly waiting for more content from you!

[@BasicBenjamin]

bryce rajan I’ll be doing that on an Insta Story LIVE one of these days, but glad you liked the vlog Bryce, wanting to bring you more content don’t worry about that💁🏻‍♂️

[@theodelroy]

South Africa is a different animal when it comes to cars, I say this because I believe we still perceive certain brands to be more expensive due to the historical price of that brand compared to other brands. For instance, not many people think of an Audi as a very luxury status symbol when in fact some of their top of the range models outprice their BMW and merc competitors. The same can be said about McLaren. Yes, its a supercar, yes it's fast and exotic but it's not a raging bull or a prancing horse! Non-car people will easily identify a Rarri or Lamb easily, and most supercar buyers will ego buy, so when you drop 5Mil on a car you want people to oooooh and ahhhh wherever you go to further assert that you're the man lol That's my 2 cents. I always say to my girlfriend, I know the Nissan GTR is a mean machine and the specs are great but I'd rather drop a little more cash on a Lambo because I do not want to spend time explaining that my Nissan actually is fast and slays supercars. lol

[@BasicBenjamin]

This is a fantastic response and I agree with you fully. If you want the looks and you want people to know exactly what they are looking at, then sure, by your run of the mill RED Ferrari or your lumo Lamborghini, But if you buy a Mclaren, surprisingly not many people will understand it what car it is, I know my dad's gen doesn't quite know what Mclaren is, besides it being in Formula 1. I really appreciate this comment, as before, This is exactly what I wanted, I want to hear your thoughts, because maybe they are the same or maybe some will be different, but the fact that more people feel this way is great to know. I agree with the Audi comment as well, Yes we all know that there is the trinity, Mercedes, BMW, and Audi, but something about Audi, even though a competitor to the others, still somehow edges them at every turn. Thank you for this comment Theo! Keep up the good works!

[@tcroft2165]

@@BasicBenjamin Give it time. in 30 yrs time the Mc will be climbing like a F.

[@dallycurtis4532]

Its a problem to some people sure, but to others its not a problem if you take a damp towel, for example after wiping it down drying it and then rubbing said towel all over the steering wheel for about 3 to 5 minutes, not a problem at all, its called cleaning.

[@BasicBenjamin]

Called cleaning sure, but non sarcastically, alcantara steering wheels loose the fluff plush finish after time and flatten out

[@dexking1]

Thanks for explaining the alcantara thing for steering wheels. Never understood why it would be on anything you touch so much. Speaking of... you should see my wife’s steering wheel... I asked her about it. She said sometimes she has makeup on her hands from rushing to get ready in the morning. Man, can you imagine with an alcantara steering wheel???

[@referencechannel996]

600LT”wanna be a race car”. Well problem is the driver..cause the car is perfect

[@S6_YT]

i like the music! and ofc the cinematics ;)

[@briannieuwoudt7468]

The best content as always my brother!!!! Best cars!!! Best everything!!! I look up to you bro!! Dont forget us when you're at the top my bro!!

[@BasicBenjamin]

Brian my bro! Thank you so much for this awesome comment! It means the world coming from you and I always respect your words and insight. We all going to the top together, you guys are all coming with me for sure!

[@TheTimmyH]

LT600 already depreciating here, you can get one (2019) here in the UK for £135k now - can't disagree with the points you make on the car.

[@BasicBenjamin]

Pity as its awesome!

[@SassyOnline]

Well 2 years later (2022) and they're anywhere from £140K up in the UK so how's that for "depreciation"!

[@TheTmat007]

Well, part of the reason why McLaren tend to lose value is probably because of videos like this one. And what (except those that are exclusive) doesn't lose value?

[@rubik2379]

After he said hed rather have a lambo, i ended the video

[@chrislattanzio6074]

I think mcclaren quality is nicer than VWs aka lambo

[@BasicBenjamin]

Thanks for watching

[@yeet_za]

I think the reason McClarens lose so much value is due to the fact that they break much easier than Lambo's / Porsche's / Ferrari's. There's quite a few videos that I've seen where people constantly complain that the cars don't last as long as they intend to and the cost to repair them is as much as a Kia Picanto ;)

[@TheTimmyH]

'break'? not really...mechanically they're fine but they do have issues with electronics and system software, build quality and aftercare isn't particularly fantastic compared to the manufacturers you mentioned either.

[@yeet_za]

@@TheTimmyH kzbin.info?search_query=mclaren+reliability+issues Case and point

[@TheTimmyH]

@@yeet_za Did you watch the video?....he was having consistent electronic and ECU management problems, lip mode etc. more or less as I stated above and mentioned himself knows of other people who haven't had an issue but of course they're not going to make a video if all is going fine!...mechanically, breaks, suspension, engine wise heard little problems. The majority of problems I've heard have come in the early 2016/17 models...haven't heard of too many faults with the 600LT (so far).

[@yeet_za]

​@@TheTimmyH Did you read my initial comment? It was surrounding the price of Mclarens losing more value than other sports cars due to breaks, meaning, anything on the car. Generally, people wouldn't want to buy something that doesn't have a reliable reputation, whether it's electronics or whether it's engine problems. Then again, where I am from (South Africa), you hardly see any Mclarens with over 5000KM's on them, because people are too scared to drive (because your car may get dinged / stolen / hijacked) AND it's hard finding someone reliable to work on them (also, everything has to be imported with a premium + 15% tax on the item, it also takes 2-6 weeks for the part to get here). Ferrari / Lamborghini, same story. Porsche, not so much (many dealers, many porsches driving around country-wide). 10 Year guarantee on the vehicle from Dealerships (Doesn't cost you a cent to fix / replace anything other than exterior).

[@crazyginga98]

FYI- 1,000,000 ZAR = 65,500 USD

[@BasicBenjamin]

Chris Booth Thanks for this Chris, will be helpful while watching the video from Overseas!

[@D13-r9w]

Easy to clean a steering with warm water, soft brush and a microfibre cloth

[@BasicBenjamin]

Alcantara?

[@SassyOnline]

@@BasicBenjamin If you don't know how to clean your car properly/know someone who does you shouldn't own that car!

[@Am-ld7gp]

What wheels are fitted to this car ?

[@BasicBenjamin]

Not sure I think Rohana or Niche

[@Pjmperez01]

Hows the exhaust sound compared to AMG Gtr?

[@BasicBenjamin]

Different sounds completely

[@vincentrecoules2112]

2 miljoen what ? pesos?

[@marcjackman120]

There’s a multitude of reasons for depreciation as I’m sure you are aware and undoubtedly there will be with this car. A strong reason for depreciation is unit volume, there are simply too many of them being built so the prestige and rarity element drops off. Another would be investment opportunity, which is looking decidedly bleak for out & out juicy big engined supercars. Also McLaren have had a bit of bad press of late predominantly relating to the 720S, which will in no doubt lead to brand uncertainty leading to an impact on demand & price. Also, competitors, there may be something better available for similar money.

[@BasicBenjamin]

Very very correct reply to this!! I agree in totality with you!

[@SassyOnline]

Definitely nothing better for the price XD

[@shayansjm889]

Nice video ! What's the name of the music you used in the video? It's was beautiful

[@BasicBenjamin]

I honestly will have to look for you, It was downloaded from EpidemicSound.. Great website and lots of tracks to choose from.

[@shayansjm889]

@@BasicBenjamin Thanks man, I'll check it.

[@zzzzzsleeping]

I thought that Lotus is the LEGION OF DOOM - NOW, MCLAREN TOOK THE SPOT OF THE LOTUS.

[@goldenbass6261]

I have never heard someone say LT like that

[@BasicBenjamin]

"LT"

[@DaleSteel]

Want to hear about reliability get told bollocks and my hands sweating

[@harrywinter7769]

Longtail basically stands for Longtail, ok.

[@bofaboy9271]

What rims are those from they look awesome

[@BasicBenjamin]

PURE Design wheels

[@bofaboy9271]

@@BasicBenjamin thanks

[@gwiz2073]

I liked the video. Love the car, because here in So. Cal. Lambo's are a dime a dozen. Say something nice about the car. Did you drive it or just sit in it?

[@BasicBenjamin]

Yes and yes

[@nyashaclemate2436]

So which supercars lose value drastically

[@BasicBenjamin]

Lambo, Mclaren and Mazarati

[@fox_6087]

What's long tail?

[@BasicBenjamin]

The 600LT, LT is long tale, Literally the meaning of the extended tail end of the car

[@leshegomokganya2416]

Kahn SA studios, nice place,was there today.

[@BasicBenjamin]

Great place and great people! Always a pleasure going there.

[@leshegomokganya2416]

Saw it by chance when i was taking my car for scratch removal,ya but you right though,nice people and nice place

[@leshegomokganya2416]

Hey Benjy, my girlfriend is trying the whole youtube content space, can you look at this and advise where she can improve, your content are very good in SA, I think you are the only south African person I follow... it would mean a lot. kzbin.info/www/bejne/j2fYgaFqh92Zmsk

[@awsome2727]

And no before anyone asks I don’t own a McLaren

[@nyashaclemate2436]

One of ur friends or side chick 😂😂😂

[@FID3R]

buy a bmw thats your lvl.

[@littrandemakerjovy3770]

Its shitty car thats why they loose so much value. When they work they are best cars ever but problem is they never work properly

[@BasicBenjamin]

Problems such as?

[@awsome2727]

Sorry hadn’t realised until I’d left my comments you were afflicted, basic Benjamin. Basic, no sh#t Sherlock

[@BasicBenjamin]

Thanks for the view kid

[@Fistsfullofdollers]

Does the LT name really matter? like RS on Audi? what does that mean...? your a bit of a spanner young man ... yes. ... a spanner

[@BasicBenjamin]

Answer this: IS the 600LT the exact same car as the 570S?

[@matthewthroup6270]

The exhausts set fire to the rear spoiler resulting in the car being burnt to a cinder .... you can see evidence to support this on KZbin

[@BasicBenjamin]

Hahaha good bro science there!

[@Fistsfullofdollers]

nock off a mirror....do you just open a normal door and slam it into another car...?

[@BasicBenjamin]

Hahahaha when you buy the wife another car to shut her up

[@deezknuts07]

Lambo? Damn Audis

[@BasicBenjamin]

Agree