5 Hints Tease Return of Normandy Crew in Mass Effect Poster

[@paragonseven]

Timestamps: 00:00 - Intro 00:33 - Disclaimer 01:11 - Hint 1 02:00 - Hint 2 03:03 - Hint 3 03:34 - Hint 4 04:03 - Hint 5 04:34 - Hint 5.5 05:06 - Bonus Hint 6 06:06 - Did Bioware Mess Up? 7:30 - Outro 8:03 - Bloopers :) Who do you think the characters by the SFX ship are? Are they people we've met before, or new faces? I'd love to discuss, feel free to comment below! :)

[@devinomatsu2444]

remember Thane Has a Son, and Morden has one half horn thing not 2

[@paragonseven]

@@devinomatsu2444 When I made this video I completely forgot about Thane's son, ngl! :') Maybe the AU version of Mordin has 2 horns! ;) Legit though, it could be anyone, it's pure speculation on my part.

[@GuyNamedGray]

SFX - Shepard Finder Xtreme

[@paragonseven]

100% this hahah 😂

[@MIALanfear]

A new Mass Effect channel... Yes please

[@TheTonytiger89]

A fun and well put together vid, you’ve earned a sub!

[@paragonseven]

Appreciate it! Hope you enjoy future videos :)

[@keymaster7323]

Great theorizing and humor, as usual. I'd only add that the SFX ship design has a very strong resemblance to the Tempest from Andromeda. I'm not sure how meaningful this is--whether it's just the newest, most up-to-date design coming out of the Alliance or if it signals that there's some connection between these figures and the Initiative.

[@paragonseven]

Thanks, Keymaster! I had noticed that as well, I have a theory (surprise, surprise lol) for how the SFX connects to the Andromeda Initiative, but that's later down the line.

[@keymaster7323]

@@paragonseven Can't wait to hear your take!

[@scottpatterson6973]

Really good vid. Had to sub.

[@paragonseven]

Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed :)

[@dragonsnail3298]

I think the SFX ship is a Tempest class ship that is armed. Which is why she has those pods on the side.

[@blair6932]

CLEARLY its not Wrex but random blood pack krogen number 56

[@paragonseven]

Always loved blood pack krogan #56, they're iconic. BUT have you considered blood pack krogan #21? Rumour is, they have a good shot of being in the next game 😄

[@doominator4072]

Why would they bring Thane back? I mean that would completely spit in the face of Thanes very emotional funeral.

[@paragonseven]

I don't think they would directly bring back the EXACT same character we knew in the trilogy. E.g. they would get an alternate universe Thane where he might not have Kepral's syndrome, or maybe not even an assassin.

[@chrissyce5613]

I would love it to be Grunt wearing Wrex's armor especially if Shepard is brought back. Shepard is Grunt's parent or at least it felt that way to me. If it is actually 600 years in the future, Wrex would be close to 1700 years or older. Aria is about 1100 and we find out Wrex and Aria where friends and about the same age. The fight Wrex tells you about with an Asari is actually Aria before she changed her name. If it is a multi-verse, I want Legion back!

[@paragonseven]

It would be awesome if it was Grunt! I definitely get parent-son vibes from them as well. From Andromeda, I believe that Drack is over 2000, so time wouldn't be a factor for Wrex being here if it is 600 years later. I never knew that Wrex and Aria knew each other, that is awesome!! Do we find this out in the party? At this point, I want everyone who died back, but I'm desperate :)

[@paragonseven]

@@SeverusHunt Ahh OK I did a quick google search for Drack's age, guess that source was wrong. Pretty cool fan theory though, I'll have to check it out!

[@GothicElf68]

@@paragonseven Paragon7ME mentioned that Wrex was acquainted with an asari named Aleena. He'll tell a story to Shepard during ME1 if the player talks to him after every mission. During one of these talks, Shepard needs to ask Wrex about his life as a mercenary.

[@tyrannosaurus_wex]

I'm so glad I got into this game late . Don't gotta wait to long .

[@paragonseven]

I feel the same way. But even still...it seems so far away 😓

[@tyrannosaurus_wex]

@@paragonseven only rpg I'm willing to wait . Going on my 3 playthrough. Bio ware take your time . I'll know they do us right .

[@Crowbar01]

Currently on my...er.....I lost count playthrough of the trilogy - The multiverse theory makes sense, and it really does look like the original crew in the poster, but I'll throw this out there regarding the Alchera point: In ME2, Liara mentions she gave Cerberus Shepards body, other than saying she stole it, there's no reference to how/where/when, as well as references to the entire original crew still being on the ship when it gets hit by the collectors, so there's every chance she knew exactly where Shepards body was since the Normandy was destroyed over Alchera, meaning her finding the N7 armor in the teaser trailer might actually be a throwback to her finding it in the 2 years prior to ME2, and BioWare are just being sneaky. Just an idea.

[@paragonseven]

In the Mass Effect comics, it goes into further detail surrounding Shepard's recovery. The Yahg Shadow Broker recovered Shep's body, Liara fights and recovers it after it's already been taken off the planet. The first time she sees the capsule with the body (from what I remember) is on Omega. The trailer could be showing a metaphorical recovery though, who knows? 🙂

[@Crowbar01]

@@paragonseven Ah hell yeah, I forgot about the comics, well then, I'd say you have some fair logic all 'round goin on

[@Marshal_Dunnik]

I think Bioware is all sobered up from their Project Dylan-induced bender and wants to give the fans what they want, which is the crew of the original trilogy, especially the (surviving) fan favorites. Get the band back together to go on new adventures. It isn't rocket science.

[@paragonseven]

Exactly. Why try re-inventing the wheel when it works perfectly fine? I'm excited for the old faces, and the new ones too.

[@ddsjgvk]

I don't want that. Don't tell me what I want. Remember how everyone wanted the Skywalker back in Star wars. Look how that turned out. Let them rest damn it. They're going to screw it up and you'll all complain. Because they ruined their character. Their arc is done. Nostalgia ruins everything.

[@GiovanniZaluchi]

@@ddsjgvk Even if they aren't nailed to perfection, the devs have 2-3 games worth of characterization to base the original crew off of. Give the Normand SR2 crew back, including our Shepard(s). Ryder and anything from MEA was trash - they've burned up on entry and don't need to be mentioned ever again.

[@internetach8189]

Not all the fans want that though

[@KokoButter777]

I think itd be cool to make your own character of almost any race and the premise of this new game is finding Shepard and working with the old squad to do so. Then for the sequel to that you take control of shepherd again with your previous character becoming a squad mate, and the big bad would be that previous character after a slow reaper indoctrination or something along those lines. Maybe by the leviathans.

[@paragonseven]

This would be SO cool! It would be very fun playing a different race instead of boring humans :)

[@TeeEye-j8e]

Hi! I'm so glad to hear someone else have this theory! lol There is one thing that I can't make my mind up about - maybe you have some ideas? Basically, in a time line where the reapers are already dead, Shepard would not have been attacked by the collectors and died above Alchera, so their body (and helmet) would not be there. I've resisted the urge to put out this theory publicly, because the last time a fan guessed something big about the original trilogy, they went out of their way to change it. Which is stupid especially with all the work they had done already and probably contributed to a lot of things being unfinished and the.. ending. I sure hope they wouldn't do that again. Also: Can you imagine the size of the Geth that made that crater, if that is just its head? How (and WHY) would it be that large?

[@paragonseven]

Hello! Glad I'm not the only one who thought this :) If you haven't watched my trailer breakdown, I go into the discrepancies of the planet being Alchera very briefly there, but I will be releasing my thoughts on how it could work in a future video (sorry to make you wait!) :) I totally get putting your thoughts out there because of fan theory craziness, but I genuinely do believe in the multiverse theory (for now), so I had to put it out there :) I hadn't even considered the geth crater being an actual geth actually! It must be about the same size as the Human Reaper from ME2....which now has me thinking of an interesting theory 🕵

[@stradi7128]

I'm still kinda with the theory which says the next Mass Effect is set roughly in the same time as Andromeda. Or... after Andromeda. In some of the art work we've seen, there's a relay-like structure which I think will be a relay linking Milky Way and Andromeda. This way we might see some people from Andromeda returning and since Krogans can live like a thousand years, even Wrex could still be alive in that time. Liara will be for sure.

[@paragonseven]

I am reluctant to believe that the Andromeda Initative would have the means to connect a mass relay to the Milky Way. Last we left off, Andromeda didn't have communication with the Milky Way, and since the Reapers made the mass relays, would they even have the means to do so? Andromeda will be involved somehow in the next game, but I don't think they'll build a galaxy-wide mass relay.

[@stradi7128]

@@paragonseven The thing is that after 600 or so years, milky way should be recovered from the conflict, so as the relays. My guess is that the mass relay would be built by milky way - protheans made smaller version of it and without reaper tech. Then go through it with enough ships and resources to build another one there to enable two way travel. But of course this is all mostly speculation. I hope we'll get more info soon.

[@darren5777]

SFX= Stealth Fighter 10th gen?... I really hope every single character that survives me3 isn't just automatically put in me4 squad mates. I'd be quite annoyed, I wouldn't mind 1 or 2, I'd like new members to get to know.

[@paragonseven]

Oooh stealth fighter is VERY possible! And I am leaning towards 10th gen. I doubt they would force squadmates on us, and they are teasing some new characters in the concept art, so hopefully its a happy medium between the two :)

[@darren5777]

@@paragonseven thing is...if Normandy is 2nd gen, 10th gen sounds like this game is far out in the future, maybe 30 years, unless the type of ship is older than the normandys class

[@paragonseven]

@@darren5777 Agreed that makes sense. Maybe it is the letter X, so instead of letter-letter-number, it's more like SSV Normandy, of 3 letters in a row.

[@thedarkrider987]

Isn't it confirmed that shepards' story is over?

[@paragonseven]

Unless I missed something huge, I don't think so? If you haven't already, check out the mass effect teaser trailer for the next game. :)

[@thedarkrider987]

@paragon7ME so it was before Andromeda came out. They said that the mass effect trilogy was the completed story of Shepherd which is why they made Ryder the protagonist. But I wouldn't mind getting to play Shepherd again

[@ksw8514]

3:15 That's the reason why she wears black in the trailer.

[@paragonseven]

Hahah amazing, you're probably right!

[@Tajtusek]

Hey 1. We indeed saw other red Krogan in the series. For example: "Garm is a Krogan Battlemaster who leads the Blood Pack on Omega. " Blood Pack Krogan generally wear red armor. ;-) 2. Yes! Alternative universe to explain the different Geth head is the only explanation! :P 3. Please stop tasing Thane! He went through enough shit already. Great work!

[@bruce6846]

In the animated film Mass Effect: Paragon Lost, there is an another interesting Krogan who wears red/black armor, Blood Pack merc named Brood. He gets mentioned by James Vega in ME3 during Priority: Palaven, quote "I fought with a Kogan. They're tough sons of bitches", but James doesn't bring up his name.

[@paragonseven]

Ooh dude I forgot about the Blood pack krogans! But would Liara work with one of them...hmmmm.. Yes the multiverse theory is the only thing that makes sense, and no I'm not indoctrinated :) Maybe in order to bring Thane back from the dead we have to tase him! New video incoming hahah

[@dasdas7752]

I just found a video that could explain why the Geth would survive even in the Destroy ending. Basically when you talk to Legion in ME2 he explains the ultimate goal of the Geth is to build a sort of "dyson sphere" (A real theory/thing btw) and that Geth were currently working on it. It could be possible that some of the Geth were uploaded into that dyson sphere already and it was outside of the Milky Way, but of course we dont know kzbin.info/www/bejne/qGO1nmOtmK13fs0&ab_channel=OrangeRiver

[@paragonseven]

@@dasdas7752 Gotcha, this would make sense. And if the geth space by the Perseus Veil was outside of the Crucible energy wave blast, then it makes this even more likely. Thanks for sharing! 👍

[@Tajtusek]

@@dasdas7752 That's possible, but remember that the Quarian-Geth war starts when Quarians attack and bombard that dyson sphere, so we don't know if it even exists anymore (in working order)

[@joeypaxton166]

Time travel to save shepherd ?????

[@paragonseven]

I'm here for anything to save Shepard at this point!

[@TelmarSkahn]

What if the Geth invented StarGate like technology that allows instant travel between Milky Way and Andromeda!? That's be fascinating. Angara could visit the council🤭

[@paragonseven]

YO that would be insane!! I would pay good money to see Moshae Sjefa in a Council meeting! :'D

[@philmarston9078]

Shep survived in my playthrough of ME3. How would that factor in?

[@paragonseven]

IMHO, I think that the final breath you see in the perfect destroy ending was meant to be for fans that did not want Shepard to be 100% confirmed dead by the end of the trilogy. They tried moving on to a new protagonist with Ryder (and failed), and now need to bring Shepard back in a way that makes sense with all endings (hence bringing back a Shep from a different universe).

[@GiovanniZaluchi]

@@paragonseven Won't knock the multiverse theory, but for simplicity's sake, it could just be that perfect destroy is canon and Shep is just back to business after a couple years (or months) MIA.

[@paragonseven]

@@GiovanniZaluchi All theories are welcome! :) If perfect destroy is canon, then why have Liara pick up a piece of N7 armour from Alchera? 🤔

[@GiovanniZaluchi]

@@paragonseven Several reasons. Firstly, it might not be Alchera, it could be Earth. Shepard's helmet was blasted apart during the final run and Liara is simply finding it weeks/months later (we don't know what time of year the Reapers attacked). Or, it could actually be ash instead of snow. Secondly, if it is Alchera, maybe it's not a fragment from Shepard's helmet, but any N7 - possibly one of the multiplayer 'N7s'. Long shot, but still. Lastly, that part of the trailer could not factor into the game whatsoever, meaning, it's a shot of Liara to show she's in the game, it's a shot of an N7 item to show the game will either include Shepard or have a final sendoff to him/her - the actual visuals we get may never appear in the game itself, it's simply very early promotion. I'm with @philmarston, perfect destroy should be canon, and this scene of Liara is part of the prologue of ME4 where she is the playable character (or simply a cutscene) in which Shepard is found and a minor time skip of a few months to at most 5 years occurs. After which gameplay resumes/begins and Shepard is once again the playable character, off on a new adventure in a rebuilding Milky Way with a new, another ancient or extra-galactic threat on the proverbial horizon.

[@paragonseven]

@@GiovanniZaluchi Last I checked, Earth had only 1 moon, but the trailer planet had 3 🤔 Liara finding a random N7 would be a major letdown, not sure Bioware would tease something of that nature. I get it though, perfect destroy makes sense, for a lot of fans, but I personally don't think it matches with what Bioware has teased so far. To each their own though, we won't know till we hear more 🙂

[@JBJHJM]

Hell I'm ready to gather this crew together again and search for Shep. Don't need Ryder, Multiverse/Universe-bending story plots... just want to experience something like the trilogy again, visit known and unknown places, cities and stations, check out what's going on on Omega, stopping Cerberus from doing even more shit, hanging out on rebuilt citadel maybe... I'm ready for ME4 release right now!

[@paragonseven]

Agreed! I think we all just want the trilogy's style of storytelling and gameplay back. Counting down the days to N7 day this year, hopefully we get another hint or update! 🙂

[@internetach8189]

If im forced to to play a game so directly tied to me3, which i dont want at all. I would love for ryder to show up. Also i want to romance someone new not feel bad about dumping garrus 😢 lol

[@paragonseven]

Hahah the guilt trips would be very real if they recovered Shep and we immediately dumped them.

[@ddsjgvk]

This os srarting to feel like fan service. This is going to one big corny fan fiction game. Characters can die at the end of their story and be good and if brought back it kinda just kills the storyline. Finale Fantasy 15 and Final Fantasy 15 new dawn is a great example. Noct and Luna stay dead and new dawn is a bad fan fiction.

[@paragonseven]

I fully get that, fan service-y stuff can be very cringe. But with Bioware's huge wiff with Andromeda, I'm not sure they have much of a choice. I think that they can pull off bringing characters back, without it lessening the original story, but it has to be VERY carefully done. I'm actually not too familiar with FF15 New Dawn, so I can't comment on it, but here's to hoping the next ME is not a bad fan fiction 👍

[@BlackXief]

4:40 cringe femshep be like 😂

[@vileon3]

I hated Ryder as a character. So bland.

[@paragonseven]

Agreed, Ryder needs some work. Hopefully a small time jump would help mature them up. The writing team also made their lines very generic compared to Shep's though.

[@ParagonKev]

I think Ryder mentions they used to work at a Mass Relay. What if this isnt a after ME3. What if this is between ME2 and when Andromeda left.

[@paragonseven]

Could be! We kind of know what Liara was doing in between ME2 and ME3 though (just solo'ing as an information broker), so why would she be hanging out with a group like this? It would fun to explore that time period though!

[@ParagonKev]

@paragon7ME 100% I didn't think about that. But maybe it's not Ryder. Maybe this is Ryders dad while still in the Milkey Way. That would further the link between him and Liara

[@GothicElf68]

If I recall correctly from the official ME timeline, the Andromeda Initiative launches- leaves the Milky Way- during the events of ME2. If so, this would mean that Shepard was probably in the process of recruiting her/his crew for the Collector mission when the AI leaves for the Andromeda Galaxy. My memory could be wrong on this, though. It has been a while since I looked at the timeline.

[@ParagonKev]

@@GothicElf68 I believe you're correct.

[@paragonseven]

@@GothicElf68 Ahh OK. I thought that the Arks launched in between ME2 and 3. I'll double-check the timeline for those events.