Less big bikes, more small capacity non sports bikes from the Japanese manufacturers.
@davidrochow93826 ай бұрын
I hope they bring out a new Suzuki V Strom 250. With speeding fines, speed limits, the price of petrol and the price of new bikes they make so much sense to own.
@robertarcher8576Ай бұрын
I really like my Suzuki Inazuma GW250. Forerunner of vstrom 250. Just enough power to get around not enough power to try doing anything silly.
@malcolmpatton93146 ай бұрын
A Honda cb400 4 cylinder would be a big seller for Honda must have a round headlight- take my money
@RRRRefuelRideRaceАй бұрын
Would be a rocket on the market. A revvy retro-naked. :)
@mencewilkinson96256 ай бұрын
Muchly like the idea of a modern Honda 400/4
@Rosbif066006 ай бұрын
I'd rather see a memake CB400F than a CBX version. The 400F was a legend, the CBX550, less so.
@fuglbird2 ай бұрын
The CBX550 had a much better fuel economy. The CB400F was thirsty.
@TommyTucker06 ай бұрын
I own a CF-Moto 450NK and I love it, the build quality is fantastic, the 270* engine is a real gem, they are as cheap as chips and comes with a 4 year warranty, what more do you want?
@Jodyrides6 ай бұрын
I’m concerned about motorcycles not from the big four that I have experienced, over the decades, is resale. I have had 4 moto guzzi machines.. most people have never even heard of them. It took two years for me to sell my 2007 Norge. I never had a problem with it. It only had 15,000 miles on it when I sold it. The buyer was in his 60s, he had a garage full of large capacity motorcycles, all in pristine condition. He only bought mine because he never owned one before… just look at Hyosung(spelling??).. Here in the US, I have seen some of those machines for sale on local websites for years. They never sold as far as I could tell. The same with Aprilia. There is a Aprilia motorcycle I have seen this is the third year now that that seller is using the same photos, and it appears to be the same motorcycle, it just doesn’t sell.. I loveed most of the dozens and dozens of motorcycles I have owned over the decades, I have only had one BMW. K1200 LT… that was not a difficult motorcycle to sell after I owned it for two years, and was fed up with it. It rode nice, it was gorgeous, it never broke down, but it was the most flawed motorcycle I ever owned, and the most top-heavy, the worst feeling brakes, The worst, feeling front end, in the most distorted windshield that I had to look through because of his height. But I had no trouble selling it because the reputation they earned before they started making the K bikes, still lives on. BMW is sure ain’t what they used to be.. I am not familiar with CF, Moto machines, but with computer design and sharing of technology, I think it would be possible for a company to make a modern reliable machine basically buying parts from suppliers without doing any of the development research.. my concern would be Quality control, and companies building to a price instead of to a standard.. just look at some of the side-by-side four wheelers available at your local hardware store. Without actually loaning one or driving one, I can see that some of the machines available have technology not much better than that of a 20 year old golf cart or go cart design. I realize that’s an oversimplification, but where do you buy parts for these machines? Where do you take it for service? Since the Harley Davidson inspired import motorcycle tariff of 1984, just within An hour of my home, there were 22 Japanese motorcycle shops. Three BMW shops, that number has been dropping over the 40 years since the tariff, today, there are only three Japanese motorcycle shops within an hour of my home, those three shops have been in business for decades, family owned, they have owned the building for decades. That’s the only way they could have survived. There are zero BMW shops within an hour of my home.. maybe CF Moto would do excellent business if they had dealerships with parts and service.. many motorcycle repair shops, even dealerships will not work on other brands of motorcycles. They don’t want a motorcycle apart waiting for parts taking up space. Shops don’t like it, mechanics hate it. at one time Honda and suzuki were the newcomers. it seems that generation Z or X or whatever millennials are called, those people are more interested in video games and cell phones than they are in motorcycles. That Harley Davidson tariff of 1984 that made motorcycles so expensive as a result, wiped out family generations of new motorcyclists. I know that over the past 40 years, the fact that motorcycles got too expensive due to the tariff eliminated generation, after generation of buying in expensive Japanese motorcycles. And it does riders that would have bought an expensive motorcycles would not all have been buying Harley’s when they got older. But some of them would. Maybe only a couple hundred thousand of them ..
@fuglbird2 ай бұрын
I had a Moto Guzzi 850 T3 California in the eighties - good engine but always problems with clutch and gearbox. I even had to replace the ignition lock with a Honda. It didn't like rain.
@MilRan-PhilAm6 ай бұрын
Take a good, long look at the VOGE motorcycle lineup...these are some good looking, capable, and AFFORDABLE motorcycles.
@1Chuck4U2C6 ай бұрын
CF-Moto hard to get on board with a CCP/China Company.
@cloudbasenirvanaАй бұрын
Like everything out of Chyna - are they 5 year life span then scrap yard.
@captricharddee36346 ай бұрын
Totally agree with you and it's been one of my disappointments that smaller capacity engines haven't been reintroduced. Suzuki for example had their 125cc and the next size up is a 650 v-twin. The Honda 400 does look great, a bike I would consider.
@robertarcher8576Ай бұрын
Need a slightly bigger version of Suzuki Inazuma 250
@ronaldthomas93966 ай бұрын
I watched your podcast hoping to learn more about the rumored GSX8S GT! REALLY HOPING THEY RELEASE IT!
@STEALTH1DAN6 ай бұрын
interesting list... for me though no sports bikes whatsoever...impractical, uncomfortable and almost forces you to do stupid things....so, nah.... i do prefer a relaxed riding sensation and feeling and looks of retros or cruisers..or even adventure bikes
@johnnyhun14 ай бұрын
for me its the opposite. Any bike that is not a sportsbike looks lame and clownish, and boring in every way. If i want to sit upright and enjoy the view I’d buy a bicycle or sit in a car
@jukkakosk1647Ай бұрын
Is that first( cf moto) not a sportbike
@1990-t1j6 ай бұрын
10:24 That looks brilliant. Nick
@RRRRefuelRideRaceАй бұрын
Some bikes will be really interesting. In any case the 2025 will be a great year for the motorcycle world. :) Nice video bro. Enjoyed. Got my like.
@kevinmcdonald64466 ай бұрын
CBX 400 is the only one that appeals to me. Looks great.
@bcuzicancuellar5478Ай бұрын
I have a 2010 Honda VFR 1200F DCT with 170bhp! It is a fantastic bike but a little too sporty for long distance sport touring. I completely agree that Honda needs to come out with a powerful sport touring machine like the FJR 1300, but keep the V4 and the 170bhp, and have the option of the DCT, or the E-Clutch. Great vid and hope that some of these bikes do materialize! Ride safe…
@iansellers4066 ай бұрын
Nothing Chinese for me except Nems prehaps
@MrLexxmorelia6 ай бұрын
Will also say I’ve heard about the cf moto v4. Be nice to see a “less popular” brand whoop the arse of the big 4 in all aspects 👌💯😂 and never ridden the vfr but I can’t recall ever hearing a bad word against them. And deffo sound nice.
@JohnDoe-zo5tu6 ай бұрын
The CFmoto looks good but a lot of its design elements were taken straight from Ducati and Aprilia. I've got an idea for Honda: Put a high output 1,000 cc V4 into the CBR1000RR (it'll cost a little more but I think people would buy it). Now detune that same engine and put it into the next generation VFR.
@motorsforthemasses6 ай бұрын
I think the problem with a V4 in the Fireblade would make it too heavy and not as nimble.
@Bigalref16 ай бұрын
Zontes are bringing out ZT-703F three-cylinder adventure bike, and the 500 T
@Supercharged19766 ай бұрын
Don't forget the rumors of a Kawasaki Versys H2 variant!
@svaralen6 ай бұрын
Do you have Kove motorcycles in Uk? I just make a purchase for the Kove 510x, excellent Chinese bikes...take a look 👍✌️
@markfenlon70493 күн бұрын
I lived and worked in Asia (manufacturing) for 30 years (Hong, Kong SAR, mainland China, Japan etc). Asian manufacturing quality has risen considerably over recent years, offering more buyer choice, especially in lighter bikes, which makes sense as smaller capacity motos are popular in Asia.
@MrLexxmorelia6 ай бұрын
Great vid bud. Hopefully see some more inlines coming. The triples are great for nakeds and as much as I dislike them so are the parallel, but I think Yamaha have made some bad moves in recent years, ditching the r1 for the triple is a bad idea, just like the r7. Superbikes don’t benefit from parallel twins or triples. Shame about the death of most the inline 600s also. I think Kawasaki are the only ones who keep with the past and bring to the present.
@motorsforthemasses6 ай бұрын
I agree with pretty much all of that besides the Triples. I think the low end Torque of a triple is perfect and the high top speed is not so important. I am not a massive parallel twin fan. Without the 270 degree crank, they tend to just sound 'meh'. Inline 4's in the lower capacity engines are brilliant and have only disappeared due to emissions bollocks, sacrificing the sound, pull and all-round awesomeness. I love twins but only in V-format.
@MrLexxmorelia6 ай бұрын
@@motorsforthemasses same. My favourite configuration is the vtwin but for superbikes inlines and v4 is the way to go. And I will agree on the triples they are awesome all round. I miss my triple rather a lot. (In naked form) I’d love to try the Daytona out but they don’t scream and come to life at the top like the inlines as the revs stop. So in a superbike that’s about top end im not so sure. My mind may be changed tho, I’d love to try and I’m 100% sure the r9 would be ten times the bike of the crappy r7 (😬) but it’s not going to be replacing the r1 or any other 1000cc inline four. In the road tho it may just be the perfect compromise
@SS-ck3ew6 ай бұрын
Cafe' sound better than the juvenile, priapic "naked". Why not combine Hornet and Naked and say it's a "Horney Naked". Just call this bike the CB1000F and be done with it. "Naked". Feh! I loathe that term for motorbikes. Sportsbikes are mostly useless in the real world. They are uncomfortable, return crappola mpg and did I mention they are stoopidly uncomfortable? They are. I agree with your assessment of small capacity motorbikes. Well said, sir! Manufacturers have long had no shame when ripping off Harley-Davidson so when will they look at their own storied history and make small capacity homages to their own great past(s)? They are stoopid not to. Kawasaki still hasn't made an ELR1000 or ELR900? WTI. What The Intercourse! CFMoto? I have a dealer but time for the big butt in the room. Dealers here come and go far too often and where can I get one serviced. This is also true of Kymco and their 550 Scooter. SS
@jonathanwelke6 ай бұрын
Please honda. Nake a new vfr. Have 8th gen. Love it ! 10 years old now though.
@rubo19645 ай бұрын
not with that stupid Vtech BS
@davidjones5356 ай бұрын
I'm interested in what you think of R. E. Making a 650 classic, first do you think they'll do it and second do you think it would be any good ?
@motorsforthemasses6 ай бұрын
RE's all seem to sell well, even the Continental GT. I think they will make a 650 Classic. It could be just for the Indian market but hopefully it will go to the rest of the world too. My worry is that it will be too much like the Interceptor.
@richardwalker45183 ай бұрын
CF Moto looking very good, but what about the dealer network and backup etc. Are they there yet? The Honda 400 looks more like the CBX 550 of yore than the CB400, ok, whatever, but it should have some sort of bikini fairing to protect the instruments and deflect a bit of the windblast IMO
@stevegordon20322 ай бұрын
I’d be in the queue at Honda if they bring out a well priced 400 four cylinder retro type. Just a great machine back in the day with an engine sound that was as sweet as syrup.
@nickpaull23626 ай бұрын
I'd like to see a 900 Super Tenere
@curlytheunacceptable.42986 ай бұрын
I "muchly" enjoyed this.
@rubo19645 ай бұрын
How about Honda GB750 ? pics looked stunning
@douglaswright56896 ай бұрын
The 400 four is the only one sounds interesting!
@boeos6 ай бұрын
There's rumour that Suzuki might be remaking a DR400/650 - SM for 25 yr anniversary. Fingers crossed.
@fuglbird2 ай бұрын
Back in 1978 I learned to ride on a Honda CB400F. I liked it but it was quite thirsty. So was the CB350F. My V2 Suzuki SV650 is much more economical. It will be exciting to see the CBX400.
@treeusher3452Ай бұрын
CF Moto been 8n Australia for a while , they also supply some engines to Kawasaki , Great Wall are pretty crap in the car side of things but very keen on the S2000
@KRAM-zb2vc6 ай бұрын
Cf moto need to bring the papio x01 and x02 😃👍🏻
@cpuuk6 ай бұрын
You missed one... did you not hear the rumour that Kawasaki are putting the H2 engine in a Versys1000 package?
@motorsforthemasses6 ай бұрын
I did...and forgot lol
@markcartwright11766 ай бұрын
Plenty cf Moto dealer in my area now Can’t wait to have a ride on the mt 450
@motorsforthemasses6 ай бұрын
Me too
@demizer19686 ай бұрын
I think the Hornet is the spiritual successor to the Night Hawk.
@gorkuhmork6 ай бұрын
honda should bring back the magna v4 cruiser
@davidrochow93826 ай бұрын
I've still got my 82 750 and besides from the tiny petrol tank I love it.
@gordonborsboom74606 ай бұрын
450 cc triple. Why not. Just different enough. Naked work for me
@steveclark..6 ай бұрын
Considering that I rarely see a youngster on a motorcycle, it's usually 50+ year olds, retro is the way for them to go in my opinion. Although I'd probably still buy the original model rather than a hashed version like Suzuki did with the Katana for example.
@michaelmclarney19942 ай бұрын
V4 honda sounds great, i hope it happens! I have s black 900 hornet too, excellent bike!
@nickoggy2 ай бұрын
I'm quite surprised you didn't mention the cfmoto 500sr vroom in your list
@arindamn48803 ай бұрын
Any twin side exhaust bike coming?
@stephensmith11186 ай бұрын
just be aware the Honda 400 four frame is not that strong, i'd avoid taking your scambler/Cafe over any jumps... but its otherwise a great machine, unless it rains... the petrol tank will funnel water onto the coils and they will cut out.... so it will morph into a 300/3... 200/2 and then your pushing.... better carry WD40 just in case...
@FairladyS1305 ай бұрын
What we need are more easy to ride motorcycles for the majority of the population who don't want or need a sports bike. In my part of the world the Kawasaki Vulcan 650 sells very well and has no direct competitors. Some of us would like to do 200 kph burst on a quiet road but jail etc is a big disincentive.
@ronloibl8213 ай бұрын
Greetings from Canada. I have had a 1982 CB 750F and a 1983CB1100F. Would love to see a new CBF. I currently ride a 2015 VFR800F DLX, and would drool for a new VFR1000, maybe with shaft drive???? Let’s go Honda
@motorsforthemasses3 ай бұрын
@ronloibl7379 Honda seem to like redoing various options of the same bike so....maybe.
@ianstagg8466 ай бұрын
Why don't CF Moto do a 800 or 1000cc version of their 650GT
@motorsforthemasses6 ай бұрын
I guess that is where the 800MT sport sort of comes in...
@mhayling6 ай бұрын
Would love to see a CB700SC retro bike. Had one brand new in 86. Buggers stole it from my driveway before I had it a year.
@frankmarkovcijr54596 ай бұрын
Chinese quality? at Japanese prices? No thanks! My Sportster has outlasted all of my Honda's put together. Race bikes with turn signals shouldn't be allowed on public roads. Today's motorcycles are a collection of government regulations on 2 wheels. Vintage British motorcycles are rebuidable forever ♾️.
@johnnyhun14 ай бұрын
Yamaha R9 is rumored for years… but for real, it would be a really unicorn in the current market as there is not really a gap between the 600cc and 1000cc sport bikes. Maybe the Panigale V2 or Mv Agusta 800 but those are ridicolously expensive and unreliable
@rodleys29162 ай бұрын
Loved the two VFR's I had
@rudivn1Ай бұрын
I miss the sound of an inline 4 screaming bike that actually sounds like a race machine. I hate the deep sounding crossplane and twin sounding bikes.
@stevenfreeman77986 ай бұрын
Bring back the retro 4 exhaust pipes!!. Single pipes look shit in comparison!!.
@motorsforthemasses6 ай бұрын
100%
@Tgnz76 ай бұрын
Yes RETRO PLEASE ❤
@StreetRides__3 ай бұрын
R7 is a BS bike, dont put a commute engine in a supersport! The old R6 that was a beast! Dont know if the people with a real super sport would appreciate an 3 cil 900 cc supersport....
@Paulfarmer-en4vh6 ай бұрын
Ooh look a new ktm
@nitrogary89982 ай бұрын
I struggle with the concept that when they make a 409 they scale it down in size where they only suite hobbits
@Bigalref16 ай бұрын
a bit like Zontes
@winduncan98183 ай бұрын
I WANT TO SEE A NEW DRZ400SM!!
@DanielKulka23 күн бұрын
Since you are into retro bikes save your money. Instead of new you could buy 3 use bikes.
@timothybrockbank74746 ай бұрын
The Chinese are coming looking forward to seeing the Kove 800
@AndrewWalker-e9rАй бұрын
Only 1 Chopsy mate😉
@old-wookie6 ай бұрын
WHY do you people insist on such a LOOOONG intro GET ON WITH IT
@Paul-kp1tu20 күн бұрын
Yes yes yes on the Honda cb400 /4 all the others can stay in someone else’s garage.
@robs4988Ай бұрын
I don't think cfmoto being associated with KTM is a good thing. KTM have never been known as a maker of reliable motorcycles, especially now with their cheese cams and lack of customer service.
@keithfarrell49286 ай бұрын
Isn't the problem with cfmoto the crap build quality and poor typically Chinese materials?
@motorsforthemasses6 ай бұрын
Have you seen them?
@Terence-e5k2 ай бұрын
honda retro 500
@thelonewolf6666 күн бұрын
they are all boring bikes ahead it seems
@Stoater1Ай бұрын
Hang on a second. Regarding your remarks re the R6 and R9: CO2 makes trees trees grow. It doesn't destroy them.