5 of the WORST TRAINS EVER PART 22 | History in the Dark

[@kingkyle8991]

Welcome to 5 worst train ever, where we witness a grown man go insane in the wild. Love what you do:-D

[@Gracell0]

And where you witness some of the goofiest looking trains in mankind

[@derekthelehighvalleyfoamer4427]

You should do a 5 steam locomotives that were built in the 21st century (excluding those that are still under construction, like PRR 5550). The Replica of the Leviathan, the Replica of GWR’s Firefly, Northern Central 17 York, and LNER 60163 Tornado

[@sirrliv]

Good idea, though with a couple addendums: 1. Might be personal preference, but I'd combine the Leviathan and York into one entry since they were both built by Kloke Locomotive Works to almost identical designs; both based on the same 1860's plans, but the York was given some minor modifications such as slightly smaller driving wheels. But in essence they're sister locomotives. 2. I'm iffy on including the GWR Firefly as it's on static display, and seemingly has been for quite some time. I don't know all the details, but apparently it didn't work very well, and when it's boiler ticket ran out, the boys at Didcot didn't show much interest in overhauling her, or at least knocked her to the back of their lengthy to-do list. On the good side though, there's several other candidates for 21st Century steam, such as Corris Railway No.7 of 2005, and more recently her little half-sister No. 10, which has had its first public steam trials in early 2023 and is currently nearing completion, hoping to be in service by the end of the year, giving the Corris Railway replicas of both its original steam engines, which were later sold to the Talyllyn Railway (and turning Sir Handle and Peter Sam from twins to triplets).

[@REALFeltysCoinsAndTrains]

Tornado is complete, isn't ?

[@TheSudrianTerrier653]

5550 is still under construction.

[@TheSudrianTerrier653]

@@REALFeltysCoinsAndTrains it is , he must be referring to P2 2007 prince of wales

[@darkadmiral106]

DB 64 415 would be a contender, and then some others that were basically built new in Meiningen

[@bowserbowser2939]

AAAHHHH!!! Thank you for covering 1201 and 1202 from my request! Having previously worked on the D&S, the other employees there told me SO much about those two because they were just awful. Both have their trucks now, but only 1201 has a fuel tank, and said fuel tank doesn’t even fit on the rails. They are embarrassing and I’d be genuinely shocked if they ever ran.

[@zaklex3165]

It's not like MPES was an unknown either...they'd been doing rebuilds for years, if not decades...even manufacturing their own line of gensets, so how the hell did they screw up those two diesels is beyond me.

[@michigandon]

I'm guessing 1201 and 1202 will more than likely never turn a wheel, what with the Silverton's acquisition of the WP&Y Alcos.

[@kaypac6350]

This company also built a locomotive for the Isle of Man steam railway that also had problems

[@laszlokaestner5766]

So they were delivered without wheels and without fuel tanks and they thought nobody would notice?

[@alexanderkennett7560]

I came across your channel just after part 3 of this series came out, I’ve been here for every wild ride since

[@NoPegs]

Was expecting "Tell me why... Do we build castles in the sky?" but I _feel_ you, Darkness.

[@SilverThunder710]

I personally would like to see a top 5 list about more trains that started badly but improved through rebuilds and such

[@TheOriginalJphyper]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZannWeopL50p8k There you go.

[@TryboBike]

12:40 - The Thulie locomotive was, essentially, trying to add as much driving wheel diameter, because MUH SPEED. The boiler was so narrow, to fit those wheels, because INFINITE SPEEEEEED. It was a limited success, but also such an oddball that it wasn't developed further. I believe that the inventor even died during the testing. EDIT: Mr Darkness even mentioned that :)

[@kiarash608]

It's insane that this series is still going, but we love it 😂

[@shaunbolton4662]

Great episode! Enjoyed especially the piece on "Monster", one of my favorite inexplicable sidetracks in locomotive design! I must confess I really like the unique ten-wheeler rebuild. And yeah, that little four-wheeler turbine is totally cute! Thanks Darkness!

[@TomRedlion]

D&S has since taken delivery of a few former White Pass and Yukon narrow guage diesels. They were rebuilt/overhauled at some prior time and are apparently outstanding performers.

[@Blur4strike]

I'm surprised 1201 & 1202 are still sitting around waiting for parts to complete them. Shipping an incomplete pair of locomotives is just an embarrassment and I say D&SNG were well within their right to sue MP&SE for it.

[@trainguy2155]

You should talk about the bothwell locomotive in a future video. It’s a very INTERESTING creation.

[@pipedreamin]

18:32 lol, I would say half of the equipment we get in my business is unfinished when delivered. It’s nice when they tell you it’s unfinished before shipping - but rare. It’s always the same story: Covid or supply chain.

[@angeloinfinity3054]

okok. as the one who as made several comments about mentioning only bad locomotives when it comes to italy, i concede that maybe i was a bit harsh on you, but being reminded about how bad some of our trains were when we already commute on substandard, badly mantained, old trains it just hurts (except the new hitachi). ANYWAY, i really do suggest you take a look at some of our greatest trains because there really are some gems: the E.428 were a result of mussolini wanting to make italy independent and better and all that bs dictators do, and was actually pretty good and innovative for the time (and electric!). the first series was actually overpowered and damaging to the rails, but after that was remedied they performed really well and for many decades they were considered the queens of speed and power. so i highly encourage checking them out, especially because there is one of them that is nicknamed "pirata" (pirate) because of its story. another train you should check out is the etr.300 "Settebello", a high speed electric luxury train. doesn't that peak your interest?

[@sp786fanboy9]

Honestly, this kind of feels more like a list of locomotives that confuse everyone than a list of the worst trains ever

[@Tom-Lahaye]

You can do one on the worst Dutch locomotive ever built, the class 2600 "Beel". A small class of main line diesel locomotives with, again, an engine meant for marine use which developed leaky bits everywhere, the drivers had to run for buckets of water at every station to keep them filled up with enough water to not seize.

[@bocahdongo7769]

As Indonesian, i'll pick you better. The one on East Indie. Class 1000 or C53 (Indonesian Railway redesignation) They intended to make steamer capable to go 120 km/h on winding track of Java Island, by themself. But instead it's run so poorly, the had to permanently double head it to reach intended speed. And it didn't help with how much it shake due to poorly design four-piston configuration. It's anemic, ride like hell, and maintenance nightmare Adding insult to injury, Henschel is RIGHT THERE. And they made same size locomotive, 10% more powerful. With only 2 piston.

[@railroadhistoryarchives]

Loved that intro 😅😅

[@emilpersson8250]

The most successful steam turbine locomotives were the TGOJ M3t from Sweden 3 were built between 1930 and 1936. And all 3 were preserved when withdrawn in the 50s once the lines they operated on were electrified.

[@robertwilloughby8050]

Remember, Class 27 is lurking in the reeds for you....... heh, heh, heh.

[@ChicagoMadisonWesternRR]

The 416 Fire was really started, because that region experienced the driest winter on record. I could drive my Mustang to work the entire winter. I used to clean up the highways as well. Judging by all of the cigarette butts, I’m surprised a fire didn’t start due to that. Overall, the train was the perfect scapegoat for something that was going to happen anyway due to the drought in the region.

[@JamesAllmond]

you drove "The History Guy" to cameo, good job!

[@HistoryintheDark]

What??? How did I do that? XD

[@anzaca1]

7:27 Also, Italy is well-known for producing unreliable machines. Just look at all the jokes about Alfa-Romeo.

[@madduckuk]

And how the season is going so far for Leclerc.

[@westernstudios2484]

Could you do a worst fright cars

[@Amarouq2]

First rail car that comes to mind is the Vert-A-Pack car designed to carry Chevy Vegas. The sides flipped down and the cars were driven onto the lowered doors where they were secured in place. The doors were then raised and locked into position with the cars hanging, nose down, for the entirety of the trip. The automobiles were terrible and were discontinued fairly quickly rendering the rail cars useless.

[@aliteral_watermelonz3940]

I remember going to Durango when I was a kid (maybe like 7), great memory

[@williamflowersrailfannerpr3808]

You make really nice content 👌 👏

[@Elliottblancher]

I have a locomotive for the weird list, its called the mason bogie. it comes in a 2-6-6 and 2-8-6 wheel arrangement.

[@loganwirth4146]

Part 22 dang been here since part 1 and it sounds like this is driving you mad.... keep doing it... lol jk your fine keep doing what you do it is wildly entertaining and informative well done sir

[@ryeistoasted8577]

i can confirm 1201 and 1202 are still in storage at the railroad. i caught them when we were pulling back into the station after our excursion trip.

[@visionnr2004]

Now that you talked about the Thuile, there is a locomotive called the Chimera that you should probably put on the next Insane Concepts That Was Never Built List. Trust just one look at that gives you so many questions

[@Amarouq2]

I just looked up the Chimera and boy howdy. What in the heck am I looking at! The cross section makes NO sense. This is another experimentation by Thule.

[@JamesAllmond]

and just for grins, please do a 5 worst Dutch trains...they love it when you talk about their trains! Hey, engagement is engagement, right?

[@bocahdongo7769]

Pick one on East Indie. Class 1000 or C53 They intended to make steamer capable to go 120 km/h on winding track of Java Island, by themself. But instead it's run so poorly, the had to permanently double head it to reach intended speed. And it didn't help with how much it shake due to poorly design four-piston configuration. It's anemic, ride like hell, and maintenance nightmare Adding insult to injury, Henschel is RIGHT THERE. And they made same size locomotive, 10% more powerful. With only 2 piston.

[@pfgc-plasticoferroviarioge3711]

I'm italian and some example of very good loco are: Fs ETR 300 settebello Fs 685 Fs 740 Fs ALe 601 Fs 640 Fs E.444 This are some example but there are more and more

[@marco_grt4460]

FS D.345 sempre presente ed instancabile

[@pfgc-plasticoferroviarioge3711]

@@marco_grt4460 anche, me ne sono dimenticato 😅

[@armoredangel01]

@@pfgc-plasticoferroviarioge3711 i like the FS Class 691, that locomotive is a work of art on rails

[@bocahdongo7769]

Adding insult to BR Pendolino

[@MokkaHai]

Technically the monster was an 0-4-4-0

[@alastornightly3312]

1201 and 1202 are really cute? Like, I love them, I want them!

[@KatyPacific382]

10:01 I can confirm, yes there are a few fs 685 class 2-6-2s from Italy that are preserved, but that rebuilt turbine one was definitely scrapped

[@brandos451]

I've got one if there's a part 23. NSWGR c34 class, a beefed up c32 which had a bad tendency to derail on curves.

[@youcef6943]

100/100 amazing

[@stephengrant2900]

Worst part about the D&S diesel saga. After all this they had to buy diesels from the White Pass and Yukon.

[@kingofnight0461]

You should do a top 25 worst British rail trains

[@paulboger3101]

Can you do a series on cancelled rail lines that were under construction?

[@Nausicaafan-go6lq]

The Camden and Amboy MONSTER!!! Its' alive! IT'S ALIIIIIIIIIIIVE!!!

[@caydenworley5002]

Maybe we should have a Top 5 list of heritage railways or have a tier list of them based on their influence, engine roster and so on.

[@lnerj50productions32]

I remember seeing the durango silverton 1201 when I went to thete

[@jingles9657]

I was wondering what those locomotives were when I rode the Durango & Silverton last year

[@emmalineruiz1960]

Please consider talking about either the LMS Princess Royals or the LMS Princess Coronations. A friend once said that when he first saw Princess Elizabeth, he thought she was a prettier version of the PRR K4s he also said the coronations were a more successful version of the K5s. I don't think so, but I'd like to know what you think.

[@Railman1225]

When it comes to the D&S diesels, they might just end up getting rid of them, seeing as how they’ve gotten actually FUNCTIONAL diesels, which I saw myself last year on a trip to Durango. They’re ex-White Pass & Yukon diesels, and they’re pretty nice looking. Heck, I’d suggest looking into them and seeing if they’re worthy of being on the next “Best Trains Ever” list!

[@class28studios78]

Could you do a video called "5 Trains the were Heros"?

[@markstott6689]

Goodness gracious, not a single British Rail engine on the list. I'm feeling neglected 😮 😂😂😂

[@Smacstac]

That little Italian engine had four count em FOUR individual turbines! One for each wheel!

[@ethanyotter7874]

Ok funniest and oddest intro ever. 😂

[@koppadasao]

Where do you place NSB Class XXI and XXII?

[@tonymento7460]

It would be cool if engines # 1200 and # 1201 be rebuild by EMD to standard gauge engines

[@bluejacketwarrior2457]

I can personally attest. That as of march 7th. That 1201 and 1202 are still on blocks.

[@kingkyle8991]

5 worst/clearly mad science experiments narrow gauge locomotive please.

[@vaclavmacgregor2464]

Hey the italian cab forward 4-4-6{Only locomotive type to use that arrangement}.

[@pfgc-plasticoferroviarioge3711]

It wasn't italiano, was french

[@sirrliv]

Fair dues to the Monster, its designer, Ross Winans, is probably the closest thing the steam world has gotten to a mad scientist. Pretty much all of his designs were kind of insane, even the ones that worked. He was responsible for the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad's popular "Camel" locomotives, which placed the driver's cab on top of the boiler, as well as the similar "Crab" and "Muddigger" types, essentially Camels with the drive delivered by gears rather than direct rods. He wasn't limited to locomotives either; look up his Cigar Steamers, literally steamships built in the shape of cigars. Some had a propeller on each one, but one design had a giant turbine blade in the center! I cannot confirm, but when the first reported UFO citings in the US appeared in 1896 with the "Mystery Airships", I can only presume that at least some people just shrugged and thought "Ross Winans is at it again." (despite him dying in 1877. But again, mad scientist; how can you be sure he's really gone?)

[@EastCoastTransit]

Now we need the R46 in part 23, identical to the R44 from before, but WORSE!

[@jasonanderson6583]

I have a video idea. Do a top 5 worst railroad/railways list

[@richardjayroe8922]

The 2 spot, yeah, they were originally at the white pass and ukon

[@DRRP]

These ones are custom rebuilds they got the WP&Y units because of the issues with these ones

[@The_Goldenhammer.]

I have 5 Danish trains you can take a look at. Litra F, Litra E, Litre ME 2 ,IC3 and Litra MZ. As a Dane It would be really fun to hear you´re opinion on them. Also fun fact. (Not sure if it is 100% correct). The IC4 Desiro was actually soppose to replace the Litra ME. But The IC4 Was on one of your worst trains ever videos. As it was really bad. And if i remember correctly that actually made the ME stay in service for 40 years. Until it was finally retired in 2021. 4 where scrapped, 1 got sendt to a museum, and the remaning bunch got exported. But some of us has asked the same thing about DSB. You have something that works. So why not keep using it.

[@willsen8908]

There is another pair of locomotives in Denmark numbered 1201 and 1202 that were not that great. The two DSB Class MY (1201 and 1202) were built in 1957 and 1960 by danish manufacturer Frichs with the prime mover delivered by Burmeister & Wain which was used in ships ( this might have been the cause of there problems as they should have been smalled and lighter), to compete with the Swedish/American MY. These locos were not only unstable but also very unreliable, i believe that the main probles were with the transmission or something like that. They would both be scrapped in 1971 in Odense

[@chrislaarman7532]

Regarding "cab forwards": yes, the driver and the fireman may be in separate rooms. So what? They would have been able to handle that. Have you ever visited a (big) steam ship?

[@damienadamsen4581]

Can anyone explain to me on what the heck is that thing for number 4 on this list?

[@TheHoveHeretic]

When I heard who was responsible for D&S 1201/2, I thought 'that name sounds familiar'. Over 5 years before the D&S evidently didn't do their due diligence on potential suppliers, the same lot lumbered the Isle of Man Railway (3ft gauge) with a very heavy and expensive means of stopping a few feet of track blowing away. Colloquially known as 'The Cabbage', IMR No.21 (2013) has suffered from an almost unbelievable litany of different woes, including flashovers and overheating and currently sits, useles, on loose tyres in a shed. I don't think the thing has managed more than a couple of weeks in traffic in total over it's 10 years on the island. Not sure if it's even been started up in the past 4 years. The IMR is a nationalised line on this proudly independent islandnand this whole mess was what happens when some political committee with next to no knowledge of railways, indulges in public willy-waving. Had they listened to the people who know what they're doing, the Manx taxpayer would've spent less than this contraption has cost so far, they could've ..... Oh what's the point!! 😡

[@Mildcat743]

Purely based off of how early it is, the Monster strikes me as a design made to skirt patents.

[@haydendegrow945]

He must be hating that we love these by now

[@SouRwy4501Productions]

That Italian 685 class 2-6-2 turbine locomotive’s boiler looks like it was copied from a Southern Railway Ks-1 consolidation.

[@mousesuper20]

WORst DMU List most have the DSB IC 4(litra MG) on it

[@roguerailroader4132]

July 11th? Wow so guess my birthday now has some train history to it 😂 at least it does now.

[@TanVasinTrains]

There is a locomotive in thailand that is quite unreliable called the Ultraman locomotive, that locomotive is meter gauge and has been in thailand for less than a year now. But, it is quite unreliable. A few locos broke down when doing passenger services.

[@NationalGuard5]

Is it bad that I'm looking for good and bad trains for you? I was in Israel a couple months ago. Can't find any yet.

[@HistoryintheDark]

Israel is generally pretty good with who they buy their rolling stock from, so I'm not surprised there isn't much in the way of terrible over there.

[@vaclavmacgregor2464]

@@HistoryintheDark Darkness i have a question.Why no surviving steam from LV,ERIE,NY OW{Somewhat justifiable due to being in terrible financial state and also having only few steam locomotives}.

[@michigandon]

@@vaclavmacgregor2464 The Old & Weary also dieselized early (1948).

[@JackCarsonsRailroadVideos]

*Everything is fine*

[@brianwelch-qq3ti]

The IHB SW1500s. While most SW1500s, are well built, the ones used by IHB are infamous for their poor quality

[@candycrushhater5828]

Hey Darkness, why do you have a video called “man goes nuts in movie theater” in your top 5’s playlist?

[@HistoryintheDark]

Wow, I must have accidently added that when I meant to share it with a friend or something. Who knows how long it's been there. Thanks for pointing it out.

[@spagelsmegal]

The D&S doesn’t need those two abominations they have the DL535s which work great

[@lukemendel8197]

Ah yes. The viewers are causing him existential dread. But.... TRAINS

[@thepolishgenerator5915]

We need more positivity and good trains :D

[@ianprice1744]

Dark, can I ask you something about your placement of cab-forward engines on Worst Trains? Why do you do it and not acknowledge that it has worked at least twice in history? Most of the examples of cab-forwards that I've seen, because I haven't seen every video in this series and acknowledge early that you might have brought this up at some point, are one-offs or experiments trying to improve something that was already there. They weren't done out of necessity, forcing people to work on and improve the technology so it would be a reliable design. Train of Thought made a video regarding at least two instances in American railroading history where cab-forward engines were actual successes because they were REQUIRED in order for the railways that used them to function. I can link the video if you wish.

[@jingles9657]

He stated that it was ambitious for the time period and was pointing out the things that don't work on this version as opposed to things like the AC series

[@hoverhead047]

You don't think the big empty space between the bogies on the two DEs might be a clue as to what major parts might be missing?

[@ryadi1703]

In my country Indonesia, there was 1000 Series Class Pasific locomotives for working express train in dutch east indie (now Indonesia). Because at that time ini 1920, 20 of this particular Class were built by the Dutch. This locomotives had 4 cylinders compound to make them ideal for high speed. However, the Weekspoor factory is just never built that kind of locos. And yeah, they were not suited for working flagship express they intended for. When pulling express train that linking the capital city Batavia (now Jakarta) with Surabaya that has operating speed up to 120kph. This locomotives just bouncing heavelly when travel above 90 kph, meanwhile the older Pasific locomotives ,the 700 Series built by the swedish were doing the job better, even becoming the world fastest steam locomotives to run on Narrow gauge track reacing speed of 127kmph in 1927. That said the Dutch built the 1000 Series only for they prestige. They wanted they flagship train to pull by they own made loco, even they never had the skills to do it

[@musanaufalassyurakurniawan1624]

Can you add a steam locomotive from Indonesia like DD50 (Gobar) into one of your list because i am a Indonesian

[@fanofeverything30465]

Two consectutive installments of this series without British Rail? Guess you finally ran out of British Rail locomotives to get mad at

[@the4tierbridge]

Has the 1890s duplex locomotive “James Toleman” been on this list yet? It sucked a lot! I have links to a bunch of hard-to-find sources about how it sucked so much too!

[@ClarissaPacker]

Virtual railfan a Deisel locomotive in KC caused a 🔥 so they can't blame it all on steam engines

[@AlexHill1991]

Another video without British Rail mentioned in it

[@4-8-4Northern]

Darkness and Backstreet Boys went on tour😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@readyforfreddyshorts5215]

Are you going to upload a video about the blue comment ?

[@harrisonallen651]

Sand on the rails to get the engine a good grip is a good idea, but running on railways on literal sand is a totally different story.

[@daboisboisbois6866]

I think darkness Finnally lost it

[@Ohiotrucker1]

(Sad British Rail noises.)

[@fanofeverything30465]

He's finally run out of bad British Rail locomotives

[@dannyh.s.1936]

17:05 HOW?!?! HOW WERE THE TRUCKS MISSING WHEN THEY WERE DELIVERED?!?! HOW THE HELL DID NO ONE NOTICE THAT?!?!

[@zaklex3165]

To be fair, when most locomotives are moved via highway they have to separate the trucks from the body because of height limitations...but you still ship the trucks on another flatbed that accompanies the locomotive bodies.

[@ChessieSystem2101]

I think we can stop this series now.

[@TheSudrianTerrier653]

At least British rail didn’t come back this time

[@MGower4465]

Sand will find a way into *anything*. Sealed? No problem. Watertight? Easy. Airtight? There's always a way.

[@Monst3rNetwork]

The Dutch are more direct, and the harassing won’t surprise me also 🤣🤣

[@chrislaarman7532]

More direct, but we still need to change trains sonetimes. ;-)

[@Monst3rNetwork]

@@chrislaarman7532 wat dat betreft mee eens 👍🏻

[@bocahdongo7769]

Welp, as an Indonesian, we share those things, somehow. At least it's legit a questionable rolling stock here.

[@NexusWorks924]

The LMS had its own turbine loco and believed it or not it was actually successful.

[@TheHoveHeretic]

Sweden had several turbomotives. A couple survive and there's a (recent) clip of one at work. No 'chuff chuff' ..... just a constant roar from the exhaust. Odd!

[@neiloflongbeck5705]

Why not put the experimental locimotives unto a new series and concentrate her on those locomotives that went into full service.

[@alexbind8347]

Fs gr 685 is not a bad class .

[@pfgc-plasticoferroviarioge3711]

Appunto, quella è stata un gran successo

[@alexbind8347]

@@pfgc-plasticoferroviarioge3711 abbiamo un sacco di buone locomotive come le e 636 o le 428.

[@pfgc-plasticoferroviarioge3711]

@@alexbind8347 approvo assolutamente

[@Dafr00tl00p]

Anyone need a hot coco break?

[@trippyg8015]

Well, why thank you for hating my people. XD i know us dutch people can be seen as brass but we are just very direct

[@trippyg8015]

Well, not hating more like not liking

[@ashleyjiscool]

As a Brit, the jokes er funny