Delivering the Big Boys

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@donzufall
@donzufall 2 жыл бұрын
The use of the ERIE to get engines that size west makes a lot of sense when you remember that the ERIE was initially a 6' gauge railroad. Even into the ConRail years, it was used for loads requiring additional clearance.
@longrider42
@longrider42 2 жыл бұрын
I live in Cheyenne Wyoming, and I've seen the 4014 fully restored and running under her own power. Yes, I know its called the Big Boy, but my Uncle taught me that all Steam Engines are female. I've heard her whistle many times. Including one cold wet morning in May, when she was not fully awake and up to steam. A very wet sounding whistle. Good video by the way.
@kadenrobinson7067
@kadenrobinson7067 2 жыл бұрын
I had to tell alot of people that big boy is a she And it's getting annoying
@Badeumus
@Badeumus 2 жыл бұрын
@@kadenrobinson7067 Every type of industrial machinery has a titan among the ranks that stands out among the rest - that one is usually an exception and is referred to as male
@ralfie8801
@ralfie8801 2 жыл бұрын
The only time a Big Boy would have been a she is in todays world and he’d need to have purple hair and horn rimmed glasses on.
@ericcriteser4001
@ericcriteser4001 2 жыл бұрын
My father was a WW2 U.S. Navy vet. When I was a kid and he would talk about the war, he would inevitably talk about his ship and would refer to it as "she", "her", etc. When he talked about other ships, it was ""he"". When I asked about it, he said you referred to your own ship as a her because you never knew what it was gonna do, but the others as he, because you presumed they did. Sexism? I really don't think so. More observational.
@crewleaderprods
@crewleaderprods 2 жыл бұрын
@@kadenrobinson7067 that locomotive, he's a big boy all right!!!!
@catapultking8861
@catapultking8861 2 жыл бұрын
Finally! Someone who covers who made them!! As a Upstate New Yorker, Schenectady made a lot of stuff, and many of the 4-4-0’s were shipped through the Panama Canal from the East before rail infrastructure was built, the Eastern US Builders, Machinists, and Works have been the biggest locomotive building force in the US, the area is so rich in history! Ignore the City, it can burn, just enjoy rural Upstate NY.
@rubenisapanic
@rubenisapanic 2 жыл бұрын
Alco was the superior steam locomotive builder, in my opinion. Lima a very close second.
@andrewigley3931
@andrewigley3931 2 жыл бұрын
Growing up in Upstate NY makes you privy to a ton of cool history nobody recognizes. I think a ton of small town America, not just Upstate NY, needs greater recognition of their historical contributions.
@torquetrain8963
@torquetrain8963 2 жыл бұрын
Long Island and NYC need to be a completely different state. Upstate NY politically, culturally, and economically has sane, moral people.
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio
@Lucius_Chiaraviglio 2 жыл бұрын
The Panama Canal opened on August 15, 1914, which is rather late for 4-4-0s, and certainly after the US already had several transcontinental rail lines. Maybe you meant the Panama Railroad, opened on January 28, 1855? Although that was 5' gauge (all the way until 2001), so provision to carry 4' 8+1/2" rolling stock (or temporarily re-gauge it) would have been required.
@catapultking8861
@catapultking8861 2 жыл бұрын
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio No, that’s my mistake, I was thinking of locomotives being dismantled and shipped over there. Would have more likely been by the Strait of Magellan for some of the early stuff. I think Jupiter, Leviathan, and their sisters took that route to arrive at the Central Pacific, but they were also Schenectady Built! There was no rail link, as Those Engines would have been the ones to build the first link.
@michaelchristie6830
@michaelchristie6830 2 жыл бұрын
As someone who grew up across the river from the Alco plant, I found this video to be awesome! Thanks for telling the story of their delivery!
@cameroncashatt692
@cameroncashatt692 Жыл бұрын
its awesome to see recently that 4014 gave a stalled freight train a shove.
@rayzie8599
@rayzie8599 2 жыл бұрын
The production quality on this is amazing. Please keep making videos like this.
@geomodelrailroader
@geomodelrailroader 2 жыл бұрын
3:00 BIG BOY's baby picture this is when he was delivered in 1941. Now he is back in service.
@NKP1155
@NKP1155 2 жыл бұрын
When I worked on the Wheeling & Lake Erie District of the Nickel Plate, I had one old engineer who was very aware of what was going on in the railroad world around him. Once we got a chance to get off the engine at Cline's Corners (Bellevue, OH) and poked around on the NYC Norwalk Branch that ran alongside our track. He recalled that even though it had just 80 lb. rail and no tie plates, the Big Boys were routed West on that branch line. That being the case, it is easy to imagine the NYC using the West Shore, as you mentioned, but also routing the Big Boys over the Old Road from Toledo to Elkhart. Staying on secondary lines could have resulted in the NYC using the 3-I branch to Churchill, IL where there was a junction with the C&NW. I'd suggest you look at newspapers from the towns along those lines to see if there were reports.
@stevew270
@stevew270 2 жыл бұрын
A little trivia, 4003's original tender is behind 4006 in St. Louis.
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. I wonder how that happened.
@stevew270
@stevew270 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 Tender swapping was very common in the steam era.
@Horseshoecrabwarrior
@Horseshoecrabwarrior 2 жыл бұрын
I got to see the Big Boy #4014 when it rolled through my part of Missouri. A phenomenal machine
@rickwienke4234
@rickwienke4234 2 жыл бұрын
I got to see the 4014 in North Platte, Nebraska. My daughters husband works for Union Pacific Railroad. Seeing it in person was awesome. Feeling the ground shake and listening to the whistle. I would love to see the 4014 pull a 150 car coal train. That would be awesome.
@brianburns7211
@brianburns7211 2 жыл бұрын
My wife’s family all worked for Alco. We live in a Schenectady suburb. I’m surprised that they ran on Central because they had tighter clearance restrictions. D&H had good clearances and was running Challengers (second largest fleet after UP). I’m also surprised that they didn’t go D&H->Erie all the way to Chicago. Erie had large clearance too because of having been built on a broad gauge.
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
When I was researching this I thought a similar thing about the Erie, but I think they went on the Central simply because it was much closer to the Schenectady area than a railroad like the Pennsylvania.
@brianburns7211
@brianburns7211 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 D&H-Erie was a competitive route to NYC. They ran a considerable amount of freight out of New England off of B&M this way. In later years EL, D&H, B&M used to have a run through train with pooled power. It was successful in being a good alternative to PC.
@jjhamcat
@jjhamcat 2 жыл бұрын
I LOVE this new documentary style content/video! Great Job! Just when I thought I learned everything about the Big Boys, youtube reccomends this masterpiece.
@theknickerbocker5808
@theknickerbocker5808 2 жыл бұрын
Grandfather was a Class A welder at the plant from just before the war and would return after it. In his later years of employment at Alco he spent more time laid off then working but he never quit always went back when called. The plant is long gone I remember a fire there as a kid and GE had some buildings for a while. Now it's a casino and hotels with some luxury apartments except one spot were you can still see a piece of history. A steel fabricator been there for years and refuses sell.
@james5360
@james5360 2 жыл бұрын
The B&M RR was not the last railroad to handle the 4012 to steam town, it had to travel over the Bellows Falls branch of the Rutland RR which after the Rutland died became the Green Mountain RR using an ex Rutland locomotive numbered 405 an Alco RS1. That locomotive is still owned and operated by the green mountain till this day. I be willing to bet there aren’t many Alco RS1 left in freight service on any railroads in the US.
@christopherorourke6543
@christopherorourke6543 2 жыл бұрын
I have seen Big Boy 4005 on May 25,1973 in a Union Pacific freight yard in Denver, years later on September 24,2012 I seen Big Boy 4012 at Steamtown in Scranton, PA and then on Wednesday, October 16,2019 when I was driving home to Chula Vista, CA for a visit I stopped in Wellton,AZ & seen Big Boy 4014 pass by in action. I wanted to see it in action and I did, 50 years earlier when I was 16 in 1969 I had missed seeing the Flying Scotsman pass through Newark, DE where I had live at.
@Bob.W.
@Bob.W. 2 жыл бұрын
When Baldwin was ready to deliver their huge Yellowstones to the DM&IR it was winter so some went to the Rio Grande until mining operations restarted in the spring. If I recall correctly the Rio Grande liked their performance.
@rogerbuettnero3513
@rogerbuettnero3513 2 жыл бұрын
4017 is indoors at the National Railroad Museum in Green Bay, WI. Alongside the Eisenhower train.
@capefeartrainsandsirens
@capefeartrainsandsirens 2 жыл бұрын
The TF2 music in the beginning was definitely one nice surprise. Great Video!
@dominicwroblewski5832
@dominicwroblewski5832 5 ай бұрын
I always wondered how they shipped the Big Boys west. I had guessed it would have been the Erie because of it's larger loading gauge.
@P_litzer
@P_litzer 2 жыл бұрын
this video deserves 100x the views it has
@namechangedawyep
@namechangedawyep 11 ай бұрын
Now i wonder how they moved the 9000s because off the large wheelbase
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 11 ай бұрын
I’ve wondered that before, especially since the first of those were built in the 1920s. Though I haven’t found as much info about them.
@JD-hh9io
@JD-hh9io Жыл бұрын
I had an uncle who was the managing editor for Rialroad magazine back in the 30s, 40s and left in the early 50s. I only wish that he was still around to see the 4014 running again.
@floridaboz1
@floridaboz1 Жыл бұрын
What would he think if he seen it pushing freight up a hill on a broke down modern train, like it just did a few days ago? I bet you would have one proud uncle.
@danielcoburn8635
@danielcoburn8635 2 жыл бұрын
I've lived in Edgerton Ohio since 1963, so this happened before my time, but I live a stone throw from the NYC Toledo to Chicago main line. Every one of the Big Boys may have passed through here!
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
Nice, did you ever hear about 4012 passing through during that time (circa 1964)?
@danielcoburn8635
@danielcoburn8635 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 I was two years old at the time, I don't remember seeing it. I do remember a 4-8-4 coming through, I figured (recently) it was from Mexico. I watched the M-497 jet railcar tests.
@michaellandry2227
@michaellandry2227 2 жыл бұрын
I've seen a few Big Boys in museums but in seeing the 4014 in operation, I was amazed at the sheer size -- it lives up to its name.
@marthagunn2933
@marthagunn2933 2 жыл бұрын
Once upon a time the Erie Railroad was broad gauged (5ft 0 inches) & was standard gauged in the late 1880s. The result is the broader clearances on the Erie remained & made it easier to transport the UP 4000s.
@Greatdome99
@Greatdome99 2 жыл бұрын
But latter day installation of signals and bridges might have lost the advantage. The Virginian had such huge 2-10-10-2s they had to relocate signals along their line and had them delivered in pieces since their forward steam cylinders were so wide.
@shaunbolton4662
@shaunbolton4662 2 жыл бұрын
The Erie Railroad was 6ft gauge- otherwise, yeah.
@kingskulllol5282
@kingskulllol5282 2 жыл бұрын
7:24 I thought about this to see this train for the first time must have been the most beautiful site to ever see this mighty locomotive
@Dragonmdk
@Dragonmdk 2 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure 4006 only took UP and MoPac, with interchange at Kansas City before it being transferred to Kirkwood, MO (St. Louis NMoT), which is off the MoPac already.
@bzzcks
@bzzcks 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for preparing and posting. FYI, I spent the first fee months of my life a couple of blocks from the NYC Collinwood Yard. No g.
@jamessotherden5909
@jamessotherden5909 2 жыл бұрын
Scranton is just 3 hours from where I live. I really need to get down there and see that Big Boy.
@484berkshire
@484berkshire 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first video of yours that I've seen, but I love all the closeups of the motion that you include in the intro.
@JasonJenkins-w3k
@JasonJenkins-w3k Ай бұрын
I live in Kansas at union station sometimes the 4014 comes a couple of years before the first time I saw it and came here was in 2019
@rubenisapanic
@rubenisapanic 2 жыл бұрын
I have a picture of two Rock Island FA locomotives being towed in a D&H train. I like to imagine the D&H helped deliver nearly everything Alco Schenectady put out
@wondersteven
@wondersteven Жыл бұрын
My uncle worked at the UP shops in Omaha probably about the time the Big Boys came about and retiring in the 70's or early 80's. Never got to talk to him about them and he's long been dead but boy would I like to have one hour to talk to him now.
@TwistedMacGyversTrains
@TwistedMacGyversTrains 4 ай бұрын
Awesome job on this fantastic video! I really enjoyed this one! 💯🇺🇸😎
@bobkohl6779
@bobkohl6779 6 ай бұрын
Used to look at 4014 in Pamona and wonder if it would just rot there
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
Those men were real craftsmanship
@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 2 жыл бұрын
I like the Big Boy a lot and I find their service and delivery interesting, seems like it went more smoothly than that of the brutes that pounded the rails where I live in West Virginia, that being the H8s, the 2-6-6-6 Allegheny type or also know as the AG Blue Ridge depending on railroad, C&O took order of the H8s from Lima and had issues with delivery as most other railroads didn’t want to take the super heavy locomotives over their trackage, which later became an issue for the Virginian as when they ordered their own 2-6-6-6s railroads again thought they were too heavy when in fact the Virginian cut weight from their Blue Ridges, and ironically the 2nd series of H8s Alleghenies for the C&O were carbon copies of the Virginian AG Blue Ridge.
@robertweldon7909
@robertweldon7909 2 жыл бұрын
If the 4000 and other Big Boy's moved through the Collinwood yard in Cleveland, then they had to use the "freight" line, "Known as the Belt Line" and part of the Big Four, around the south side of the city, where I grew up in the 1950's. This "Belt Line" connected with the Big Four main going south and west, just south of Lindale, Ohio. The engines would have had several different connections with the Big Four tracks allowing a fairly direct connection with their home rails. Just how 4000 and others went after leaving Cleveland, is unknown to me ,but between Cleveland and the next connecting railroad, it had to use the "Cleveland, Chicago, Cincinnati and S Louis.
@erichunter77
@erichunter77 2 жыл бұрын
Loco 4023 is currently on display in a promontory overlooking the I-80 entrance to Nebraska at a place called Kenefick Park. It is paired with its diesel counterpart, Centennial No. 6900. The view over Iowa from there is broad although sadly, much like the rest of the region, there isn't that much to see. The locomotives are far nicer to look at.
@krystalstarrett6760
@krystalstarrett6760 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for more insight to my favorite locomotive.
@frankmarkovcijr5459
@frankmarkovcijr5459 Жыл бұрын
They could build a big boy from start to finish in six months. It took him three years to restore the big boy. Big difference.
@robertpeters9438
@robertpeters9438 12 күн бұрын
The Eads bridge was made to withstand steam engines back to back all the way across and survive a 12 foot think ice dam flowing down the river and crashing into it.
@owenthetrainman7219
@owenthetrainman7219 2 жыл бұрын
I was actually just wondering about this a few days ago. Mainly about narrow gauge locomotives for the D&RGW in Colorado. It cool seeing how they got there. Pretty neat!
@thomasavensjr.2790
@thomasavensjr.2790 2 жыл бұрын
Very impressive and interesting story of the delivery and transit of the Union Pacific rr "big boys" to their home territory rails. It is interesting to learn how locomotives are moved across the nation before being put into active service for their specific railroad company.
@MillBrookRailroad
@MillBrookRailroad 2 жыл бұрын
An old railroader off the D&H once told me that Union Pacific would save money on locomotive delivery by allowing their new locomotives to pull trains on their way home from the factory. Not sure if that practice goes all the way back to steam.
@Greatdome99
@Greatdome99 2 жыл бұрын
They would do that so they could claim they were "used" for tax purposes. Done all the time.
@larrydebert7436
@larrydebert7436 2 жыл бұрын
The largest engine by weight was probably the Virginian Triplex 2-8-8-8-4 which was built about 1919. It was designed as a pusher engine for helping trains up the road's steep grades.
@joshuahudson5336
@joshuahudson5336 2 жыл бұрын
About half the weight. Somewhere around 800,000 pounds. The 4000s were 1.2 million pounds. The Big Boys were over designed to handle whatever the UP wanted to throw at them. That made them significantly heavier.
@hadesdescent6664
@hadesdescent6664 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuahudson5336 what about the Allegheny 2-6-6-6?
@joshuahudson5336
@joshuahudson5336 2 жыл бұрын
@@hadesdescent6664 reweighs were found to be 10 to 20 thousand pounds less. And the dynamo car was never authenicated.
@muir8009
@muir8009 2 жыл бұрын
@@joshuahudson5336 GN W1 was same weight as first series big boy, and funny thing is doesn't matter one iota. Fairly obviously the Allegheny for railroad purposes was huge amounts heavier, because of course that weight was spread among 10 axles, not 12
@joshuahudson5336
@joshuahudson5336 2 жыл бұрын
@@muir8009 The Great Northern W1 is an electric locomotive that weighs around 750,000 pounds. Try again. ALSO, there is no conclusive evidence to prove Alleghenys were the heaviest.
@NorfKhazad
@NorfKhazad 2 жыл бұрын
I mean, Alco managed to deliver the Virginian 2-10-10-2's in 1919 and those were actually too big for the loading gauge on intervening railroads so they had to be delivered with no cabs, boiler walkways or front cylinders.
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
Originally I wanted to make a video about the AEs and how they got from ALCO but there wasn’t enough info (that I could find anyway), plus it was on a shorter route than the big Boys which were cross country. Still an interesting story of how they got to Virginian though.
@NorfKhazad
@NorfKhazad 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 yeah I'm not surprised there was a lack of information given how relatively few of them there were and how long ago it was. I don't think there was a ton more to say beyond the novelty of having to ship them without the cabs and front cylinders.
@Greatdome99
@Greatdome99 2 жыл бұрын
Since they were compound locos, the forward cylinders were too wide (exceeded "Plate C"). Signals and such along VGN's tracks had to move outward to accommodate them.
@Kkmssjdjdk_offical
@Kkmssjdjdk_offical Жыл бұрын
Where is the song at the end from
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 Жыл бұрын
The ending to the NBC film, “Big Boy” (1954)
@jamespollock2500
@jamespollock2500 2 жыл бұрын
I'm betting the Leigh Valley diverted 4014 to Binghamton, NY as they had a major repair shop in Sayre, PA. it would allow several shop workers to visit and inspect without drawing attention. from another railroad.
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
4012 stopped in Sayre when it was being moved to Steamtown. The Erie Triplexes also came through there to be maintained.
@jamespollock2500
@jamespollock2500 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 thank you for correcting me on the number. Sayre's along with Athen's and Waverly NY history with goods transportation is kind of interesting. As it has canal and railroad history and IR drill plant.
@garryferrington811
@garryferrington811 2 жыл бұрын
Got to blow the whistle (using compressed air) of 4014 when it was in Pomona, apparently never to run again. Thrilling!
@NeilFan18
@NeilFan18 2 жыл бұрын
Always loved your videos dude. There so well done and there super entertaining. Well done old friend
@coloradostrong
@coloradostrong 2 жыл бұрын
"There" where? "There so well done and there super entertaining." _They're_ so well done and _they're_ super entertaining.
@junelipinski2025
@junelipinski2025 Жыл бұрын
I would dearly love to see 4014 traverse Horseshoe Curve in Pennsylvania. What a sight that would be. Don't know if she could make it around the curve because of her size.
@nickmalone3143
@nickmalone3143 2 жыл бұрын
An indian casino now sits on the old ALCOA site in Schenectady
@cadenlovestrains9389
@cadenlovestrains9389 Жыл бұрын
What song did you use for 0:54 ?
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 Жыл бұрын
Dapper Cadaver - Valve Orchestra
@jpaulkepler4638
@jpaulkepler4638 Жыл бұрын
844, being a locomotive designed for high speed passenger service, with the expansion link all the way in the corner, working hard , is impressive and suitably loud. 4014 pushing hard on the rear of a freight train is completely in character and done with a nonchalance befitting it's excellent design On a side note, UP ,at one point, had a policy of using revenue freight moves to position the steam fleet to and from events. That now seems to no longer be the " for profit" thinking of the past.
@losi5ivet29cc
@losi5ivet29cc Жыл бұрын
I'm surprised they didn't try using the CASO which was at one time used by NYC but my thinking is that the Big Boys would have been too tall to go through the Windsor/ Detroit rail tunnel I believe it would've been a shorter route as well?
@waxome
@waxome 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video and production value! Thank you.
@cmag19
@cmag19 2 жыл бұрын
It is possible that the EJ&E was the choice to move the big boys through Chicago, as there are few bridges/tunnels to work around, the NYC connected to the EJ&E in Chesterton, IN, and the C&NW connected to the EJ&E in West Chicago. This move is therefore 100% possible, and seems to have been the more likely route of delivery.
@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory 2 жыл бұрын
It likely was
@jefwisse1957
@jefwisse1957 2 жыл бұрын
Amazing how powerful these steam engines where. Very nice images. Greetings from The Netherlands.
@calebroy4504
@calebroy4504 2 ай бұрын
actually im pretty sure it was 10 big boys that is still around 2 are located in Canada if i am correct
@dewdewism
@dewdewism Жыл бұрын
I had the privilege of being able to play on the 4004, when I was a kid with my cousins back in the late 1960s and early 70s.😊 Now it's fenced in.😢 Never gets old watching the 4014 in action. It brings back such wonderful memories as a child.❤
@alcopower5710
@alcopower5710 2 жыл бұрын
It’s great that so many Big Boys were preserved but sad that only one Cab Forward (my favorite steam engine) was saved. Excellent video 👍
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
Matter of fact, there’s a fair amount of documentation on how the Cab Forwards got from Baldwin.
@alcopower5710
@alcopower5710 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 that would make for a good video 🤔
@yeoldeseawitch
@yeoldeseawitch 2 жыл бұрын
@@alcopower5710 I really wish more 2-8-8-4's were saved. B&O EM-1s and and SP AC-9's
@JAMESMANHUNT9
@JAMESMANHUNT9 Жыл бұрын
Saw 4014 on my birthday in 2019 in west chicago up yard
@ThomasMRuth
@ThomasMRuth 2 жыл бұрын
Gran Turismo menu music! Seared into my memory ❤️
@rvnmedic1968
@rvnmedic1968 2 жыл бұрын
What amazes me besides the huge size of the Big Boy are all the routes it took to go out West. Did all the routes have 130 lb rails to accommodate their weight? Or was this taken into account for the various segments of all the different railroads? Excellent video, BTW! One minor suggestion: when you put up text or a map leave it on a bit longer so we don't have to pause to read it. Cheers from upstate NY! (45 miles NE of Syracuse) Bob
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
I don’t know the weight of the rails at the time but I do know that the Erie used to have a larger track gauge which could be a clue. Thanks for the feedback, I’ll keep that in mind.
@Nareimooncatt
@Nareimooncatt 2 жыл бұрын
If 130 lb rail was the requirement, that's likely including water and coal weight in the calculation. Considering they were being towed, and thus no water or coal, they wouldn't need the same rail as they would under normal operation. It would be fairly simple to calculate the rail needed and allow for lighter rails.
@redlight722
@redlight722 2 жыл бұрын
When I was in Little Rock. Ed Dickens, senior manager-Union Pacific Heritage Operationsand Big Boy #4014 engineer told me that Big Boy could not be towed…. Because I asked if the Diesel behind her could get her off the main if something was to happen. So in this clip you said they were towed, maybe the pistons and drive bar was disassembled for tow? I think it would make more sense for the big boy to pull freight or passenger out of their assembly area?
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure why Dickens would say that considering they towed 4014 both to and from Cheyenne when it was preserved and moved back for restoration. There’s multiple videos of it being towed in between diesels on the way back from California. So yes the main rods were likely disassembled during tows.
@redlight722
@redlight722 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 I was confused when he told me that also. Maybe he took offense to me asking if 4014 was to brake down.
@jeremycox571
@jeremycox571 Жыл бұрын
The Big Boy is my favorite steam locomotives , wish I could see one in person !
@iceslayer777
@iceslayer777 6 ай бұрын
The bigger question I have would have to do with the numbers chosen for preservation. Why didn’t they save 4000 or 4025? Would’ve been ideal to choose those over most earlier to mid numbers considering one was their first example and the other being their last. Still mad respect towards the strong effort in keeping those 8 around and more importantly restoring one over the challenger. I do hope the big 3 as UP likes to call it come back and make a very nice return. They could potentially pull some loads or be all hooked together. A union reformation would be dope considering their name includes “Union.”
@1llenium
@1llenium 2 жыл бұрын
4018 resides at the American railroad museum in frisco Texas which I will work at
@TonyLasagna
@TonyLasagna Жыл бұрын
Anyone know what kind of locomotives towed these?
@davidduma7615
@davidduma7615 2 жыл бұрын
6:37 La hai valley??
@cloudedarctrooper
@cloudedarctrooper 2 жыл бұрын
Dapper cadaver is so fitting for that intro
@trainknut
@trainknut 2 жыл бұрын
NYC workers who are used to 4-8-2s and 4-6-4s being the largest locomotives on their rails when they see a locomotive as long as their entire MOW track roll into the yard for delivery some railroad on the other side of the continent. "What tf they doin over der?" Side note, the possibility that mohawks could have and almost certainly did pull big boys at some point is for some reason very intriguing to me.
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
Theoretically you can model UP Big Boys and Dreyfuss Hudson’s on a model railroad without it being inaccurate.
@SamCogley
@SamCogley 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 one of those monster 4-8-4 Hudsons lugging a Big Boy around that would still dwarf it amuses me for some reason.
@1309westernmaryland
@1309westernmaryland 6 ай бұрын
@@SamCogleyrail buff here, it’s 4-6-4, not 4-8-4, sorry if I sound rude!
@linkerthejedi2575
@linkerthejedi2575 2 жыл бұрын
Whats the song called you played at the end
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
It’s the ending song from the Big Boy NBC film.
@linkerthejedi2575
@linkerthejedi2575 2 жыл бұрын
Ah ok thanks for the info
@Trainboy17
@Trainboy17 2 жыл бұрын
I Am Going To See Some Big Boys Soon, Particularly 4006, 4012, 4017 And Someday 4014 in action. The Big Boys Are THAT Iconic Of Locomotives
@xmtryanx
@xmtryanx 2 жыл бұрын
Would ALCO not have fired up the machinery before delivery?
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
The only time ALCO fired the engines up was to test them before delivery to make sure everything was working.
@alanpecherer5705
@alanpecherer5705 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting angle on the Big Boy story, well done video!
@RickyJr46
@RickyJr46 Жыл бұрын
In October 2019, 4014 pulled passenger excursions between West Colton and Barstow, California as fundraisers for its previous home, the Rail Giants museum in Pomona. I rode the northbound excursion to Barstow, and watched 4014 pulling our long train up Cajon Pass from the U.P. dome car Columbine.
@kimlawson240
@kimlawson240 2 жыл бұрын
Where did 4014 find a final resting place?
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
It was originally at the RailGiants museum in Pomona but was bought back by the UP in 2013 and has since been restored to operating condition.
@johanbrand8601
@johanbrand8601 2 жыл бұрын
I'm a very big train person too. And I'm glad that I found this.
@RDC_Autosports
@RDC_Autosports Жыл бұрын
4014 just a month or so ago was shoving a stalled train
@SergeantQuin
@SergeantQuin 2 жыл бұрын
This is the first time I've ever heard my hometown of Binghamton mention in a video, ever. lol.
@Wolfgodmak
@Wolfgodmak Жыл бұрын
If i was living back then, I would ask who wrote Big Boy and put it on record because that name alone stated the legendary locomotive in the US
@davidachmoody9033
@davidachmoody9033 2 жыл бұрын
Really cool video. I did notice that it starts off saying that Alco received an order of 20 big boy locomotives. I thought there were 25 of them. Am I wrong, or did the UP place a second order for more of them?
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, a 2nd order was placed in 1944 for engines 4020-4024. I couldn’t find any info on how these were delivered but I assumed it’s the same way as the rest.
@ericcriteser4001
@ericcriteser4001 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks for sharing.
@ATSFSuperChief
@ATSFSuperChief 2 жыл бұрын
Big Boys are very iconic and the longest steam locomotive ever constructed. But the most powerful and heaviest were the C&O ALLENGANY 2-6-6-6 and they also had delivery issues due to their very heavy weight and then engine crew wages also based on weight.
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
I will admit yes, there are disputes over the big boys really being the biggest. Although from what I found the Alleghenies were simply delivered to the C&O by running light from Lima.
@ATSFSuperChief
@ATSFSuperChief 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 And the Big Boys were also delivered light. The Allegany engines had their actual weights hidden so that bridges would not show as overloaded and the C&O Engine Crews were also underpaid due to false weight which was later corrected and lost wages recovered.
@denisxx61
@denisxx61 2 жыл бұрын
In 1918 ALCO built the massive class AE 2-10-10-2's for the Virginian. Here there were delivery problems too. No other railroad had clearance for a locomotive sporting 48" diameter cylinders. The AE's had to be shipped in parts and assembled upon delivery.
@Greatdome99
@Greatdome99 2 жыл бұрын
The problem is tractive effort at a certain speed and total weight on drivers. Each of these locomotives had an advantage in one aspect; hard to say which was best. Big Boys could run pretty fast; heaviest NP's Yellowstones did not. Alleghenys on the C&O and VGN were very fast runners but probably not the best low speed pullers.
@joshuahudson5336
@joshuahudson5336 2 жыл бұрын
Actually its been proven the Alleghenys were lighter and less powerful. The readings they got from the dynamo car were off. The strongest pulling locomotive is a Y6a in the St Louis Transportation Museum. As far as the weight, it was discovered earlier model Alleghenys were lighter than stated. So the weight of later models is unknown.
@nickmalone3143
@nickmalone3143 2 жыл бұрын
Do they disable the pistons somehow when not producing power? Alcoa was delusional to think steam power would survive diesels
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, the steam engines had most of the main valve gear removed during delivery from the factory.
@thomasschwartz555
@thomasschwartz555 5 ай бұрын
The Yellowstone of the D,I&M of Minnesota might be more powerful, the Y6B is for the East Coast but the Big Boy was more photogenic, willing to pose for the public and cameras and be accessible and so is deserved of the title the Biggest Locomotive in the World. I love my Steam!
@bcbloc02
@bcbloc02 2 жыл бұрын
Really surprised they didn’t run them over the prr. Being that they had already had the s1 to New York and it was bigger and rigid frame running a big boy over the same lines the s1 and t1 were running on seems like it would have been a cake walk.
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
True, though since New York Central had much more trackage around Schenectady (and New York in general), that’s likely how they got the edge.
@muir8009
@muir8009 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 bit funny: of course the vast size of the S1 ended up such an embarrassment to the PRR, mainly as it was too big to move anywhere, and just stuck around crestline. I could add the moving of the Virginian 800 2-10-10-2's maybe interesting as they never fitted anywhere and were a logistical nightmare to move. But, much more importantly: the production values of this is video extraordinary. The narrative, editing, everything, I'm just so impressed. As a request; could you possibly consider a production of the early US electrics? Theres extraordinary footage around of like a Milwaukee bipolar in a tug of war with what was then enormous freight mallets, or the introduction of the legendary NYC S motors. Just that kind of thing. Theres a lot of US rail history that not only is noted by its absence, but because of that absence is largely neglected and forgotten. Ask a young fella about those legendary and unique 1-B-D-D-B-1 Milwaukee bipolars and see what response you get :)
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
@@muir8009 the electrics sound like an interesting concept. I have heard of the Milwaukee Road’s tug of war stunts, and the National Museum of Transportation has both the last bipolar electric and a NYC S1. Depending on how busy I am, I might look into that.
@muir8009
@muir8009 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 thanks for your consideration, especially that we're now looking 100 years ago, and when the bipolars went into service they went on tours, even the state governor having a drive. And unfortunately it's all just ending up a minor footnote in rail history...
@ReginaCelia-ck4zb
@ReginaCelia-ck4zb 2 жыл бұрын
HOW DID THIS GOT SO POPULAR IN LESS THEN ONE WEEK?
@Engineerrick
@Engineerrick 2 жыл бұрын
Never underestimate the enthusiasm of railroad fans.
@VictorianMaid99
@VictorianMaid99 2 жыл бұрын
It is so sad that this is all gone.
@geomodelrailroader
@geomodelrailroader 2 жыл бұрын
6:02 Big Boy headed to Pomona he will be there for 50 years until Ed brings him home.
@KouuToriProductions
@KouuToriProductions Жыл бұрын
I was definitely not expecting TF2 audio.
@quadruple_negative
@quadruple_negative 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the Gran Turismo BGM.
@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory 2 жыл бұрын
Knowing you have and like wooden trains, have you seen my wooden train layout and collection yet?
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
Just some of it, looks good though.
@MainMezzer
@MainMezzer Жыл бұрын
I wished 4014 can come back to Schenectady, but that's never gonna happen and that we never got rid of the old plant but now its a casino.
@TrainMaster26
@TrainMaster26 2 жыл бұрын
Seeing a big boy in Chicago would be so cursed
@Fidgetdidget
@Fidgetdidget 2 жыл бұрын
didn't that happen in 2019?
@TrainMaster26
@TrainMaster26 2 жыл бұрын
@@Fidgetdidget not sure I’d have to look it up
@imatrainperson1195
@imatrainperson1195 2 жыл бұрын
@@TrainMaster26 yeah, it happened.
@TrainMaster26
@TrainMaster26 2 жыл бұрын
@@imatrainperson1195 ahh, I see
@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory
@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory 2 жыл бұрын
I have something to show you
@tcp3059
@tcp3059 2 жыл бұрын
Loving the Expiration Date intro.
@merrillmilner8717
@merrillmilner8717 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like too see one in person.
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