5 Reasons Gaming Chairs Are A SCAM

[@btodtv]

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[@scubaman2003]

I have a Versa gear chair, rated for 450+ lbs, i'm 230, it started falling apart in 2 months. With covid I had issues contacting customer support, then they changed their file warranty methods. In the end I never got any help with the chair and after 14 months, the bolts have snapped, it nearly reclines all the way to the floor. The metal frame as streched bolt holes because low grade metal. Never buy these pleather chairs. One of the worst purchases in my life. I paid nearly 500.00 for this chair, I would love to post photos of it for an extended warranty!

[@muttleysmith726]

@Rob Alexander hey big fella post it and let the bolts errrr chips fall where they lay...stay focused and stay safe friend.

[@congheleechconghelach9860]

But most of us cant.afford

[@seafafrage6934]

i sit on a plastic chair with a blanket on it, why I'm watching these 100-500$ chairs lol

[@muttleysmith726]

They or OK. For lounge chairs???

[@Popseoh]

I sit on a small couch that fits one person and its better than most luxury gaming chairs 💀

[@muttleysmith726]

I recant my recent post tried the 2 gaming chairs I've already taken them back they are unsuitable for anything typhoon was the brand costing $ 500- each.

[@MarkWhich]

Me too, ill rather instead spend the money on an awesome new PC Build, besides the PC Build would most likely last longer than the chair.

[@goodmorningcptn]

That's where we all start bro

[@chroniclesofbap6170]

I'ts really important having those side-bolsters to hold you in your seat as you hit max g-force, spinning the chair around when you get up to go for a piss.

[@BIGBUD71]

Very true🤣👍🏻🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿

[@cristoz8691]

Aaah, you cheered up my morning hahaha

[@PearlHarold]

😂😂

[@mashalerka]

I love how gaming chairs are "hugging" me. For sitting in front of PC, tight seat (like in sport car) is much more comfortable for me than ergonomic chair or even huge livingroom armchair. Thats why I decided for Gaming chairs. Only disadvantage i see, is that i cant sit cross legged, which i would like to time to time. Headrest is dealbreaker for me too.

[@Mimi-vt3yc]

That's why Im getting one with a footrest huehueehue

[@DavidSkerritt]

These seem to focus on design rather than functionality. The design is the selling point. About 15 years ago I got sucked into the $99 faux leather office chair from a big office store. Sure it felt great during the 15 to 20 minutes time I tested it at store but for hours at home I soon realized I had made a big mistake and returned it.

[@btodtv]

Design IS the thing -GK

[@Jack_80]

i bought a $100 computer chair like 20 years ago at the store and it was insanely comfortable. i spent hours a day at my computer and never once felt uncomfortable in that chair, i often fell asleep in it. it didn't recline or anything but it rocked a little bit. wish i could remember what brand it was though because from the sound of it, it was far more comfortable than these gaming chairs that cost far more money.

[@mattoucas869]

Same

[@winterbirds8022]

​@@Jack_80I wish you would have put what chair you bought for I can't read minds lol😊

[@yairee4438]

So what's are you suppose to do if you have a budget of 100$ and just need a decent ergonomic chair??? All I keep hearing is get a office chair, gaming chairs are shit and then proceeds to tell something that's just way to expensive. I can't afford those at the moment so what is the next step??

[@kevGrajeda09]

In reality if you are spending around 100$ then a pretty decent office chair will suffice. Gaming chairs are cool looking and comfortable. There is a point when they're like $250+ when you're wasting money. A 500 dollar gaming chair is probably real leather an may have usb ports or speakers. At that end you are paying hundreds of dollars extra for branding and inconsequential features. The dud in the video is looking through a pretty narrow scope of gaming chairs. There are better chairs at a better price point. At the end of the day i would recommend sitting in a chair before you buy it. Whether it is a friends chair or a store display, That way you know what you are looking for in a chair.

[@ionicabanea6025]

you re not the only one in this position brother you re not the only one

[@stasepusi2540]

Im looking for a $100 max chair right now too and idk what to buy😭​@@ionicabanea6025

[@movieluver615299]

Stapels has a chair that goes for 100 when its on sale

[@pppswdw7239]

Yeah i agree with this lol

[@stoyannikolov1017]

You forgot to mention that a good office chair, the one that you show in the video, costs more than 500-600 euro..

i bought leap v2 with headrest.. i had gesture but back pain... leap v2 with headrest and without lumbar is s tier in comfort?

[@Kicsidani73]

ok, so im a 52 y old fellow working in IT, developing daily for 8-9 hrs not being able to go to the loo. Ive been having a serious backache for 20y, hernia combined with rigid muscles in my back. The BEST is the gamer chair for me, and here it is why: 1. you can set the back of the chair completely vertically - i cannot exist without this. 2. you can fix the back of the chair at any given angle so it stays where it is, you can lean against it 3. you can lift the arms of the chair 4. you can move the arms of the chair horizontally 5. you have the flexible cushion behind your waist 6. you have the flexible cushion behind your neck 7. the back of the chair is very high supporting even my head and neck so i can lean on it when im tired No office chair at Jysk/Ikea/etc can come even close to it. The only problem is that the seat below my butt is not long enough. But im 194 cm / 6'4" , a former basketball player, i have looooong legs. :)

[@kanedup6669]

Name of the keyboard in 0:06 please? Looks like DreamKeyboard for me.

[@christoff39]

I'm looking for gamer chair. Which one do you recommend?

[@Revon-Feuer]

None of them other than secret lab. But they're still fundamentally worse than office chairs

[@rangerdoc1029]

In my case, a gaming chair was the most comfortable for my office. I have degenerative disk disease & the pronounced curve ("lumbar support") in office chairs is excruciatingly painful. I got a fully loaded Aeron thinking the adjustability would be best. It was unusable for me. A Flat back & seat is the only arrangement that is not painful. Once you remove the lumbar pillow, these gaming chairs provide just that & at a fraction of the cost. The only difficulty is finding one that doesn't look like it should be equipped with fart cans & a spoiler.

[@uretmain]

i think most people dont consider that gaming chairs are made for ergonomics and ergonomics is what makes your aiming good

[@freedonx]

Did you 'mold in' your Aeron? consider your back was used to a common chair and of course trying to 'fix' your posture is going to hurt. Also...maybe the Aeron isn't for you. It's not for the 100% population, there are other ergonomic chairs, however consider my first point will happen

[@youtubeuser73]

same for me, tilt and recline mechanism takes off the load from spine completely

[@jacobmcdorman5552]

reclining is the part that breaks the chair. Tilting and adjustment is the part that breaks the chair. I got a great warranty coverage. But the chair broke almost immediately.

[@jakubkazmierczak1837]

Tendentious presentation. 1. Don't buy ANY chair that is not fit for you, try before you buy every posture you use sitting at your desk 2. Really cheap pillow can be changed for really good pillow, it's not truth that it's getting compressed that much and if such pillow exists - change the foam or pillow itself. Also you don't have to force your shoulders to be supported, don't be silly XD. 3. Truth, but not to the point that you're mention. You can strech a and move around actually. 4. Truth, mechanisms are less complex. It's not hard to recline on a racing style chair. You just have to set the spring tension that you have underneath. I can't imagine myself using it fully loosened. Also - hitting desk with your knees? Srsly? It's like telling ppl to not buy chair with wheels cus you can drive over your toes. Seat depth, cushions is all about points one and 2. 5 warranty coverage - chairs are not rockets, you can actually repair them easly and it's not something outstanding to see dxracer chair still operational after 15 years of abuse.

[@btodtv]

Ergonomic chairs aren't meant to need pillows to support you. 2. Replacing a low end pillow, like DxRacer, with a high end one, from a brand like Secret Lab, changes nothing about the ergonomics of the chairs. It just feels little nicer to the touch. 3. You can move and stretch very, very little, and it is very uncomfortable compared to a chair that isn't designed with an all-steel frame that is meant to cradle you in one static position, like a racer. 4. Mechanisms are less complex Racers for sure. Its because they are the cheapest, lowest end mechs on the market. Its why they have a center tilt mech with terrible tension adjustments. The recline point is at the worst point possible, which makes reclining much more difficult than any of the other mechanisms because you are fighting gravity and your body weight. And yes, hitting your knees is a problem. We mention it on Racers because this is not a problem on a chair with a proper mechanism. Mentioning that you may roll over your toe doesn't make a ton of sense because all chairs have wheels and therefore all share the same risk. We are talking about different recline mechs here and how they function differently. 5. I completely disagree that chairs are easy to repair, especially a DxRacer. Its why there is so much focus on warranties on the chair market. The parts are not readily available and accessible. they are not easy to swap and repair and low end chairs like DXRacer hardly hold up long enough to be worth repairing.15 years on a DxRacer? No Shot. -Ryan

[@jakubkazmierczak1837]

​@@btodtv They don't but it does not mean that they don't need. Science of 'proper posture' did not change vastly for 13 years, and it's based on ideas from 1970. 2. False. First of all every spine is different, every cushion is different, every foam is different. There are multiple ideas for lumbar support, from rolled towel to memory foam cushion. They come in different shapes and density which are in fact do impact your posture. You do realize that you can easly swap pillow filling dont you? 3. Sorry lad you said that it has none, as I said it was tendentious, now you prove my point. "You don't have ANY freedom of movement" does not equal 'very, very little', funny, english is not my first language and I understand it better than you. 4. Yes I do understand your point, but hitting your knees is your stupidity just like rolling over toes is. It's not the point against more simple mechs. I do find your opinion on 'hard recline' hard to believe as I have no problem with it at all. Even now I have no problems and I can go lower on string tension, which in fact you do not even care to mention that you have option to set it. No wonder why I saw ppl being amazed that there is actual big f knob under the base. 5. Lad, I did bought 2012 DX racer formula myself with damaged upholstery on the base, sqaeking like crazy. First you use lithium grease on every mechanical part, base bolts, clean and check bearing condition, grease, seal, grease, wheels grease or change (super simple). You have clear info how to do that on YT. Because those parts are easly avaible you can find them in every office chair that ends up in a dumpster for free. As for upholstery jopb, DX racer base cushion is super simple to remove it was my first time ever using needle and all modifications took me one day. Payed for a chair 12 USD, 28 USD for parts, material, new cushions from gt omega sidemen edition and roller skate style wheels. Show me any warranty that is cheaper than 28 USD and one day job which makes a chair even better in the end. I have a second one waiting to be repaired and sold for profit. Lad you know nothing about chair repair for sure. If you want I can PM you my chair photo, so you can see serial no. for yourself. Don't try to fool ppl Ryan, unless there is backseat upholstery dmg which I will try next time doing myself with new project every part of the chair can be repaired even for free with ease, and all parts are avaible on the market cuz these are not gaming chair parts - these are office chair parts with a fancy chair on top. Only broken steel frame can make chair a lost cause. You can buy used base or backrest from different chair thought but sometimes you have to be patient. You mentiones focus on warranties - yes - companies do care about warranties, offices need to be operational, there is no option to repair chair by the company and workers have to sit on something. There is also the lazy market, and from that lazy, uneducated or simply "i have no time for such thing' market when they're out of warranty I do buy chairs for lautghtable prices and sell those to the same 'lazy do DIY but I have no cash for a new fancy chair'.

[@btodtv]

I’m not trying to fool anyone. We have a chair refurbishing business we do thousands of them a year. I am very well versed in what it takes to repair, fix and refurbish chairs. I stand by my point that the chairs you are talking about are in fact the lowest quality chairs in the market. You’re lucky to get 3 years out of one of these chairs and certainly aren’t worth buying used. -Ryan

[@jakubkazmierczak1837]

@@btodtv Yet you claim that parts that are needed for dx racer fix are not readily avaible and accesible while you can even farm them for free, curious. You do have right to your opinion, but Ryan that joke on being lucky is nobel prize in bs department. Have great day sir.

[@HkSniper]

I may be a little out there when it comes to an opinion on this. But I miss my 'gaming chair' and I think I am going to go back to one very soon. When my old gaming chair finally bit the dust after four years, I researched and everyone pointed to the ergo office chairs. So I went with one. Struggled a year with it and started getting back pain from it. No matter how I adjusted it I just couldn't get it right. I never had this issue with my old chair. I just felt that from my shoulders up I had zero support and it would make me hunch forward, making the problem even worse. I then went with an 'executive' style chair and although it's comfortable, I run into the same issues. It's fine for sitting back and watching KZbin and what not, but when you are "active" as in engaged in a game or reading an article, I start hunching forward. With the gaming chair I had in the past, my back pains I had prior went away. I felt like I could just sit back and the chair would support me and force me to maintain a proper posture while I was sitting in it. That's just me though.

[@waffle911]

Funny thing is the pre-roll ad when I tapped this video was for some gaming chair brand I had never heard of called Andaseat.

[@btodtv]

Haha. Maybe not the best video to advertise against? -GK

[@TheIcemanModdeler]

I’m a Senior 3D Character Artist, I draw a lot on a tablet, bc of this I have to lean forward a lot and do active work, I use a Hag Pulse saddle seat that I modified to suit me. Only with a saddle seat or a forward tilt chairs will u be able to go into the natural s shape posture for the spine! All these chairs have that 90 degree angle which puts the spine in a c shape or a straight line if leaning on the back rest.

[@bropoke6799]

my bf has a gaming chair and anytime I sit in it to play games on his computer, I can't go for more than 2 hours because the chair causes so much back pain. I've found a lot of gaming chairs either have a flat back with no curve, or they curve so you have to slouch a bit to fit in them. I got an old office chair from Huntington Bank through a friend (Huntington was donating a bunch of chairs to his company) and I can sit in it for 10 hours with no problems. There is no need for a race car seat when you're sitting at a desk

[@RobertJohnson_Zeppo]

I have been using a DXRacer chair for gaming at home and selected it for the optional mouse pad armrest attachment. I do not game at a desk or table, but in front of flat-screen TVs. I would be interested in finding a more comfortable office chair with a mouse pad armrest, perhaps even an adjustable pivoting keyboard tray to get mine off of my lap. I haven't had any luck trying to track one down myself and I'd like to retire my current one, thanks!

[@btodtv]

Do the armrest attachment you have from DXracer allow you to attach to any chair with an armrest? Might have your solution already -GK

[@RobertJohnson_Zeppo]

@@btodtv As long as the bolt hole pattern matches, I could use it on another chair, I suppose.

[@btodtv]

Okay, they probably make other solutions that clamp to an existing arm. Not sure how stable or good they are, but it might open the door to better chair options -GK

[@elduderino7767]

go to ikea, get a markus i bought budget office chairs and gaming chairs for about 5 years, none of them lasted 12 months - i work from home so they have heavy use, the ikea costs around 2x but it's been ~4 years and it still looks new, padding is still perfect, construction is excellent quality - they have a 10 year warranty easily the most comfortable office chair i've bought, i actually like it more than the old aeron chair ($1k) i use to have at work you can not go wrong with an ikea markus, if they are still selling them it is a no-brainer

[@miroslavvlodarcik6642]

What's the white chair name please, I don't see it in the description.

[@etismyname]

Don't know about that. Owned a 400$ office chair and while it's good, it's not nearly as comfy as the secret lab gaming chair that my fd has. That chair felt like a really nice sofa sitting or just laying back from table for listening to music

[@CoolgamerJAW2]

With the GTracer the chair feels fine and all but within a week the massage part just won’t turn on anymore :/

[@itsmebryceee]

im still enjoying my cougar fusion x gaming chair since i bought it 2 years ago, what i really liked was the backrest because of its curvy design i can almost sleep on it comfortably

[@eusouorui]

Not having a headrest is a dealbreaker for me on a office chair, using it at home it has to serve all purposes. I guess that's where secret lab or dx racer's Air line are a great option for both scenarios. Working and relaixing /gaming

[@josecastanhas3497]

true i am searching for a chair, i have a alphagamer for 5 years but its pieling it self and creates a lot of trash, and the head supprt for a more relax mood its very important and other normal chairs dont have it or if they have it they dont have the tilting back mechanism or are too expensive, like close to 300

[@eusouorui]

@@josecastanhas3497 I bought a dxracer Air, have it for almost 2 months now, amazing

[@marcodebortoli]

What’s the white ergonomic chair shown in the video kind of at the beginning?

[@btodtv]

Sidiz T50 chair -GK

[@marcodebortoli]

Thank you very much. What are your thoughts on it? And what about the T50? I think you put the T50 as D tier because of the lumbar support so I am a little surprised for being it in this video.

[@mtbboy1993]

Some chairs have a much firmer pillows, some chairs feel nice like the Cepter Rogue I tried. I live in Norway, I've struggled to find any reasonable chair, and the expensive office chairs aren't much better, but cost much more, I tried some that had worse back support than the gaming chair. the Cepter Rogue felt much better than the 4 times pricier Sedus chair I tried, so price alone, and gaming or not is not an indicator. Mot of the most recommended chairs aren't sold in Norway. For me at 181cm it it fit me well, pillows were adjustable enough, none of the issues you described were an issue for me n this chair. The expensive chair I tried actually was made of mostly plastic. despite the obscene cost.

[@C1L2D3]

I think people completely forget when you are playing a game you don’t have your back straight to the chair. Unless you’re playing on a couch or something you just don’t do that. So them complaining about not being able to fit defeats the purpose of a gaming chair over all

[@limkaixiang6323]

i think u got the wrong size for the secretlab for body size it shld be XL as i am 181cm and it fits me as i am quite skinny , the XL size also accomodates a small range of the regular and u wld get 1 to 2 inch more space , and i dont think your chair mainframe shld be flexible it would just snap if u stretch to relax

[@dompan9169]

Changes nothing really. It’s still designed like a racing chair. You know, the chairs that are designed to keep you in place during races. Office chairs are infinitely better. And they don’t require you to get a specific chair size.

[@trevorthai1685]

The other reason why people don’t get a gaming chair is because of the material. PU leather after some time, especially in warmer climates, commonly peels off after prolonged use/exposure to humidity, so its very nasty for long term durability. It’s also less comfortable/sweat-friendly than a mesh chair in my opinion. Gaming chairs with fabric upholstery are more breathable too but they tend to cost more and stain a lot more easily. That’s why my setup has a full mesh chair instead of the Secretlab and I never regretted my choice✌🏻

[@btodtv]

Agreed on the PU vinyl, especially with the cheap gaming chairs -GK

[@Montagues_plush_universe]

In my opinion leather chairs are more comfortable than fabric chairs

[@andrewwhite7019]

I bought the DXRacer Ocelot World chair ages ago, something like 7 years, give or take. The build quality was great and still 'feels expensive', even the seat foam has hardly compressed with God knows how many thousands of butt-hours (I spend ALOT of time at my comp). Still, after a couple of years that PU leather was already starting to fail, and now it looks a total mess. Good comfort still, but embarrassing to look at. That's the last time I buy a PU Leather chair, it's like a built-in shelf life.

[@aramafshari3815]

but if you get a good racing chair it wauld still not be bad right?

[@kikibirdball]

My gaming chair has a massage pillow, a foot rest, reclines, has adjustable arm rests, and looks cool. An office chair would maybe have adjustable arm rests.

[@Doritos0012]

Great video. I was wondering why I felt so uncomfortable in my gaming chair. You are spot on with everything. The seat cushion is as flat as it can be. The back rest is hard and flat. Bigger ppl cant fit in these chairs.

[@CriPPleR_HD]

The chair game is crazy, son! I started spending more time at my desk since I purchased a new headphone, dac, amp set up. I quickly realized that my DX Racer with the RGB lights was not a great chair for relaxing to music. 😁 Started researching comfortable chairs and had no idea how much a chair matters and how much knowledge is out there. They are even chair tier list that are actually more useful than fighting game character tier list! This channel is legit. They helped me narrow it down to the Amia, Embody, and the Leap V2. Went with the Embody and this may be the best purchase I made in years! Once I got it all dialed in, it’s been nothing but maximum comfort! The unexpected thing that I love about the embody is that it dances to music with your body. When bopping your back and shoulders to the music, the chair bops with you while supporting your back. Dope! Had the Embody for about a week and I am kicking my self for not investing in a quality chair sooner!

[@btodtv]

Thank you for the kind words about the channel! Dang, you made a HUGE upgrade. That’s a sweet chair for sure! -GK

[@sajans3998]

can you make a detail review about ikea markus?

[@btodtv]

Yes of course! -GK

[@toyotatacoma6817]

Uhm... Doesn't the lever on the right side of the GT chair allow it to recline? I need a chair with a back to replace my shop stool as it's killing my back while I play a few games, and I don't want to spend more than $130 on something that is going to be in a shop/garage environment... Any ideas?

[@aneuh]

Hello guys, what do you think about the Neuechair from Secretlab ? Have you ever tested it ? I would like to know what is your opinion on that specific chair. Thanks and keep it up !

[@btodtv]

That chair is shortlisted to be purchased next. Stay tuned and it should show up in the coming weeks -GK

[@zacnoob]

If only you have told me that when i bought a titan secretlab chair 5 years ago, now I only got sore back for miles now. Currently weight around 95-100kg and 170cm tall, any chair recommendation i can find? (price maybe below $1000 sgd or below 725 usd as for sending this message)

[@vdinh143]

I strongly recommend ordering a Leap v2 refurbished from this channel. My original approach was to buy a used chair on Craigslist, but since I found btod's supply I've changed my mind. If you don't like the leap v2 then maybe the used market in your area would be the next best choice.

@@vdinh143 yes first i had expensive gaming chair for 500 then aeron which was to hard for me and gesture i got back pain but i bought leap v2 with headrest seems best...

[@87engr]

I am curious what your thoughts are on LFGaming chairs. They are a brand (or a subsidiary?) of Lifeform chairs. Basically these are high-end custom office chairs with "gaming aesthetics" (not my cup of tea personally) but the ergonomics of a high-end executive chair. They are quite expensive though, which is unsurprising since they are custom made in Canada.

[@WolfOfJustice]

It's automatically better than every single gaming chair brand lol.

[@fieldsy6642]

Have you guys reviewed the Sidiz T80?

[@btodtv]

Not yet -GK

[@MrBananers]

Was this in retaliation to techradar obnoxious article in favor of gaming chairs over ergonomic chairs? I cant wait to get my embody comes in this week, glad to move away from the gaming chair... only got it cause was on sale.

[@WolfOfJustice]

I need to check that out lol.

[@veronikaferencz9376]

I get your point but the fact is office chairs on available prices are painful af. Most of us buys gaming chairs, because the cheap ones are actually better than cheap office chairs. The price of a secret lab chair is like 1 month of salary for me here. If I had that kind of money for "only" a chair, then I would probably buy the fancies office chair ever instead for sure, but ye. I only look for 3 most important things when buying these; have an armrest with built in pillow, these non pillowed ones (even your fancy office chair) are killing my elbow and lower arm. Second feature for me is a huge pillow on the sitting area. If it is too flat, it will hurt, no matter what kind of lumbard support you put on it. I need a comfy sitting first, then a comfy back. This is why yoga balls are good to sit on from time to time. 3d is now that it can have an adjustable back panel, you can lean back with it. Also I may be wrong, but I work in office environment for a huge company, I know we do not get "the best chairs" but I sincirely hate all of them. Every. Single. One. In my workplace. They are static, they charge most of my clothes and I get electrocuted once I touch any metal door handle, I can actually fall out of them, because of the lack of side support you mentioned as a bad feature. I really love that a chair is hugging me. I can even fall asleep in it, so comfy. My office chair has this built in lumbard support thing, and in theory it is adjustable. I cannot make it to stay. I adjust it, and it is in a completely different place in 2 minutes so I don't even bother. Thank god I have an adjustable table in the office so I can stand up for work sometimes. My "gaming" chair has a design of a gaming chair but I bought it as an "office boss racing chair". It is the best and most comfortable thing ever and was the cheapest. The only reason I will replace it is that it's literally melting away piece by piece.

[@wrathfirex]

So can you recommend what gamers should sit on?

[@btodtv]

Ergonomic chairs would be my recommendation. -Ryan

[@ihaa915]

Gaming chair works with my back. Staying in good position does take out the load from the back. Office chair does comfortable and good positioning if wanted, but that position actually is very uncomfortable to maintain on the office chair.

[@nikolygtx8848]

I just got ONEX STC Alcantara for 200$ and is very comfortable, but i tried before, most of them are bad, and never buy chair without trying it first

[@pratoc6372]

I just bought Corsair T3 rush and its uncomfortable as hell. seat is too small im just 175cm and chair feel like you sit in a ecomonic class in the airplane so small and everything is just annoying. i have to go to ergonomic chair now before i bought gaming chair i was like im gonna be fine with it but damn

[@Fox250R]

I’ve used a regular chair for gaming for over 20 years with zero back issues. I got an RS gaming chair a few months ago and my back hurts all the time.

[@siveth3166]

im my opion if you smaller a gmaning chair can work fine but if you are bigger thean the main issues you will see are from just simply not being small enuf im 5-7 and i dont have any issues apart from were taer

[@JefferyIverson]

Great break down. I have back issues and I bought one of these for my home office and they aren't practical.

[@AdamKellar]

Thank you! This is validating. I've always found these chairs terrible for gaming/sitting at a desk.

[@g2D1]

It comes down to where the customers place the value. How many people wear uncomfortable clothes because they are stylish? I have never climbed inside a sports car that did not have issues getting in or getting out or not feeling every bump on the road. How many bikers ride bikes with rigid seats for comfort? Ergo-chairs are for people who work in an office environment and put a lot of hours sitting down. who wants to sit down and relax on a gaming chair? They are upright and rigid because while you are gaming, you are squirming around in any case. To me, what you have to watch out for is the actual chassis, the wheels, the arm-wobble and the gas cylinder that controls the height. Poor wheels drag, wobbly arms can be a pain in the neck and if the gas cylinder starts to loose pressure, then it is trash.

[@craigengelman1369]

went from a bean bag to a kitchen chair now ive had a devoko racing chair for 2 years that i got used for $40 delivered to my house . im 5.10 280 pounds best money ever spent .

[@Dilpil01]

I think a big point missed in this review is that the gaming chairs use Cold Cure Foam (at least in the Secretlab) or some similar alternative. The big issue with this foam is that it starts out extremely firm, almost unforgiving, because by design it cannot lose its shape or the warranty will constantly require the company to replace parts. Despite this, I've found through experience that the foam can still become slightly damaged or rippeled under the fabric through extended use. You can feel little divots or tears that form in the material in time and can cause discomfort. In a way, its the worst of both worlds, a chair that is overly firm but also slowly disintegrates compared to a mesh chair. The other thing to consider with gaming chairs is that they are so large and so much material is used to construct the chair, that they cost a lot to manufacture. To keep costs down, corners are cut on quality of materials, or R&D.

[@btodtv]

The foam used is like a rock for sure -GK

[@alexworm1707]

How can someone sit in a gaming chair long enough for it to deteriorate? Shit is ridiculously uncomfortable and back destroying.

[@btodtv]

This is a great question..... -GK

[@Dilpil01]

@@alexworm1707 I found with my Secretlab, around the 18 month mark there was very slight inconsistencies in the foam (that wasn't there to start with) if you feel it through the fabric including a little circular divot around the T on the backrest. Didn't bother with the warranty - just moved on.

[@arthurkurbedzis]

There are so many questionable moments when thinking about buying a gaming chair that if you buy something that is not good enough, you may fail hard.

[@mattoucas869]

I recently got a gaming chair and it felt good for 2 days then it was just super uncomfortable after. The lumbar support was trash, the neck pad was trash, and the seat was so damn hard.

[@alinazhou8028]

I find gaming chair seating to be larger and more plush, and that the pillow as lumbar support is better than frame based lumbar support. Office chair seating requires you to sit in a certain position, often resting your back on the back of the chair. You can rest your back on a gaming chair but pillow as lumbar support allows you to also sit forward in a variety of positions. The tilt lock on gaming chairs allows you to tilt your chair in a more comfortable position. For me, as someone working in a chair for 10 hours a day, office chairs look underwhelmingly designed, and they sit the same way too. I don't see the value in a Herman Miller Embody, Aeron, Stealcase Leap V2.

[@RoyalGuardGeine]

Are they bad because they are competitors? Which €500 chair would be a better alternative to the Secretlab Titan Evo?

[@btodtv]

Start Here If Your Office Chair Budget is Under $500 kzbin.info/www/bejne/gaTUk5Z5q9CAnbM -GK

[@WolfOfJustice]

Since you didn't mention if It had to be brand new, how about any refurbished Aeron, Mirra 2, Gesture, Leap V2 or Amia?

[@shardinhand1243]

iv had full recliners and iv had low tear and medium tear gaming chairs... go with medium tear gaming chair its cheap about 160, 200, its sleek comfortable easy to clean.

[@SilverScarletSpider]

the first time i saw nigahiga sit in one i thought it was cool in 2013. nowadays we know it is utter garbage

[@170KX]

You have no idea what you're talking about these chairs are either good or bad. Office or gaming it's just hard to find an appropriate chair that fits the individuals needs at a decent price point it's as simple as that you can get "scammed" by buying either. The only advice I can give is to do a decent amount of research before you waste your money.

[@lukebrutal78]

I have had my Secret Labs 2022 titan evo xl for 3 weeks now. It’s currently disassembled and in the box ready to ship back. I returning it because of the low quality build and pain it causes after sitting in it for 4 to 6 hours a day. Really disappointed. Back into the Rabbit hole to replace my “gaming” chair.

[@btodtv]

Sorry! I know where to find some good info on chairs though ;) -GK

[@lukebrutal78]

@@btodtv I’ve watched all your videos. I can afford an embody or gesture. But I’m afraid it will have similar issues. I feel like a $500 chair is tolerable when it has issues. And that sucks.

[@lukebrutal78]

@@btodtv Btw, secret labs asked me for a video of my issues. It’s on my channel if you’re interested. I appreciate all you do in your reviews.

[@btodtv]

We will definitely take a look. Thanks for sharing -GK

[@VeronicaLopez-ly8sw]

Man idk. I love my secretlab. Had it for about a year now and still an awesome chair.

[@luknit]

Most probably issue is that he have wrong size here. I was using cheap gaming chair and then tried to use some ergonomic... I hated them. I bought SL Titan Evo XL and IT is awesome... We shall not sit many hours in one chair. We shall move!

[@orchestertan123]

Can you review the DXRacer Air Mesh? I know its a gaming chair, but its different because everything is mesh from back rest to seat.

[@jorgepereira9455]

Wish I had seen this video before.. I trully do!!!! All that was been told on this video is ABSOLUTELY true - and is a MUST Know! The Perfect (I mean Perfect!) Gaming chair review. I may say, this is more like a " the true who nobody told you about gaming chairs". Contrary to the reviews I saw before buying my chair - basically the same as the DXracer - mine is a Trust GXT, exactly same shape and materials - all reviews were amazing... All saying wonders! Hundreds of videos talking wonders about gaming chairs - I mean, not all chairs are bad, there are really good chair's, but they cost >400/500€$ - And that's a lot for a Chair. It cost's more than a High End Car Seat or a good Couch with massage - which is ridiculous! No, a gaming chair is not comfortable neither less ergonomic, specially the one's bellow 300/400€$. I though I was investing on something to my health, but in the end, I did exactly the opposite; I bought my Gaming chair precisely before the pandemics, so, same as many, I used the chair for 1y, many hours per day. What I won ? Serious spinal problems, including coccyx bone, hips and lumbar, which now make me get problems to walk due that - not mentioning the pain. Many thanks Trust GXT aka "Gaming Chairs" for that. I'm in doctor's, exams, and physiotherapy to try to recover - I hoped it would be, but that's no joke. At the beginning I though that I was being picky - I tried lot of ways to sit, but I was never 100% comfortable on the chair. As told on the video - Legs feels and are restricted due to the metal design, which don't let legs to move, and makes hips getting weird over time. Backrest has no support at all. The "extra" cushion does nothing despite make even a worst and a wrong sitting position, avoiding the spine to be properly supported and aligned. Without the extra cushion It's noticeable the lack of back support - so, it's bad on both ways, with or without the cushion. Once again, as said in the video the backrest flares / side-bolsters is the most ridiculous shape / idea EVER, for adult who has normal shoulder's, its the most disconformable possible shape. Shoulder's are not supported, in truth shoulder's are constantly in touch with that backrest flares which makes a permanent discomfort to shoulder's. To a 8-10Y little child body yeah, may be enough, to an adult person body !? Simply forget about that. At the time I tried to enlarge the backrest flares, in order to leave room to my shoulder's ( yeah, shame on me, for trying to fix something that was made to make the chair uncomfortable to an adult). PS: Without luck, hard metal, almost impossible to move, without damaging the chair. The head cushion, once again, a huge flaw. The cushions stays on the back instead the head. I had to remove hair cushion from his "proper" place to raise her a lot - Im 6" / 1.83m tall - once again; to a little kid body yeah, might work - not to and adult. Yeah, this " chair shape" is maybe good/safe for driving a Rally car, but not to a "comfortable and ergonomic chair" at home or office. A car driver seat have not that backrest flares shape - at all. Didn't forget to mention, that, after 1y, the seat foam simply disappeared/ become flat! Visually/aesthetically the chair it's still perfect, but while sitting, becomes the same as being sit on a rock - I'm a thin guy - so, was not due to excessive weight, was due to low quality foam! Since then, I started to have lot of coccyx pain and problems, who leads to many spine problems, including struggling to walk - serious issues which now limits my life and health. Looking back in time, I realise that my back health become lot of worst since I use the "gaming chair" - when the reason I bought this chair, was exactly to have a proper back support. I sold a "cheap" (comfortable) Office chair, to pay 250€ for a (sh*t) "gaming chair", who totally ruined my back health. So, I still use the "sh*t) "gaming chair", with pillows on the seat and backrest. I totally regret in to spend 250€ on a thing which destroyed my back health, instead of help and got proper back support and ergonomics - which was supposedly the goal and sense about "gaming chairs" in general right!? Wrong! Pure Marketing. For sure, who design this chairs, will never been sit on them, other way, they NEVER made a ridiculous uncomfortable chair, full of flaws and design/construction issues - not mentioning the lowest possible Foam quality - which, with luck, lasts 1 year without getting flat. I was searching videos on youtube about how to repair gaming chairs and put new foam, since I had the idea, to put new foam on it, properly - Seat & Backrest with proper support design, and make some adjustments in order to make a (minimal) confortable chair - and somehow I found this video, who perfectly match my experiencie with gaming chairs. Didn't find what I was looking for, but I find someone who told the real truth about "gaming" chairs - And I can confirm everything that was told in the video - TBH, I was watching, and feeling like if it was myself talking about the chair. So, a huge thanks for advertising other's people that "gaming chairs", are in truth a true Scam - once again not all chair's are the same, the high end/expensive one's are good, but 70% of gaming chairs sold are the ones similar to the DXracer in the video. Don't spend your money buying a "gaming" chair. Save your money and health, and just buy a good office chair, without "fancy" logo's, and useless stuff just because it's called "gaming chair".

[@randomhobbies5796]

They look cool but so far I haven't sat in a comfortable gaming chair yet. I'm 6'3 220lbs. That being said office chairs are comfortable but short..and ergonomic is a hell no

[@josephjohnson1161]

I use a 5 gallon bucket so no need to leave my game. I bet this mr perfect gonna tell me that they use actual gold stitching in the lettering. They should for that price

[@lasercraft8104]

It's not an orthopaedic chair mate. For that purpose they yes are about as functional as the led bars dressing your monitor wall in the video. It's an aesthetic thing mate like most gaming room objects

[@Adrien1999]

My question is why would you use a ‘gaming chair’ in a office…

[@naterbertue9273]

What annoy's me is looking for chair and the reviews being good, i buy it and 2 years later its completely jacked. here i am in the same point. looking for a good quality chair. but this is the third time, because i bought my fiance another chair from another brand which also was worse than mine...

[@Yasin_X2000]

Someone called peterbot won the fncs (half-million $ tournament) with chairs worth $30-$50💀💀💀y’all it’s your skill not your setups😭

[@llemmon]

The best gaming chair is an old lazy boy with a mini fridge beside it.

[@davidperry4013]

Gaming peripheral/hardware manufacturers known for their mice, keyboards, etc. delved into the gaming chair market a couple years after DXRacer became a big thing. I wished they went for more proprietary designs instead of using a cookie cutter design. Like a fully adjustable mesh chair with RGB lighting or something instead of using a bucket seat design. Logitech partnered with Herman miller to make an Embody chair to achieve the gamer aesthetic without the bucket seat design. The only bucket seat gaming chair that I find comfortable for long term sitting is the Maingear Forma GT. I’ve sat on one in micro center and removed the lumbar pillow and it still supports my lumbar.

[@faze_vanix5902]

But we are Gaming not working in Word or excel :,(

[@btodtv]

So because you are using your mouse and keyboard to play a game instead of using a program you should sit in a non ergonomic chair? I don’t get the logic. -Ryan

[@ZERARCHIVE2023]

You should target COMFORT and not owning a product cause it has "GAMING" written on it. Your "gaming pc" with tons of RGB, is just a PC. You could've paid for premium products or reduce the price by 20/30% by taking RGB out. Not even going to talk about the distraction this cause and the increase in electricity bill which is serious in some countries like mine.

[@swemx7403]

The question is tho, What do you want us to buy then? There is no other options rather then WORSE! If you want me to sit on a typical office chair for playing a moba game then you get a big nope buddy. BTW, You forgot 3 things that is wrong with these chairs. 1: The armrest high adjustment is BS. It's allways too low and it makes you stretch your arms down all the time. It's like from 17cm to 23cm adjustment. It's not enough. For a FPS gamer or moba gamer I want to be able to sit lower and have the armrest higher. But I can't do that. 2: The seat itself is too stiff. And it doesn't take long before that seat feels like you're sitting on a solid concrete block. 3: The chair legs usually are too cheap. In about 3 years they will bend.

[@justincowans2677]

Got myself a racing chair for Christmas 2020, it 10 months later with an office chair. Big wage of money on my part.

[@amrishpatel3501]

I've had my AKRacing chair for 4 years & the PU leather is completely finished. The neck pillow doesn't help at all & I've been having a lot of issues with a stiff neck & I had some issues with back pain as well. Plus the PU leather also doesn't feel great either in the hot & humid summer months either. It was big waste of money, falling for the big hype. All because some of my favourite KZbinrs/Streamers are sitting in these crappy gaming chairs. I'm going to get a proper office chair with a mesh design after the weekend, so I feel more comfortable in the summer months.

[@justincowans2677]

@@amrishpatel3501 I agree completely. My gaming chair became really uncomfortable after about 3 months. Total waste of money. I was at least able to give it to someone.

[@Savaskobrawlstars]

No they aren't, I used to have some 50€ chair that was crushing my back and i upgraded to a 550€ chair and it feels good to sit on.

[@hardcodedgamer2265]

Gaming chairs are not a scam they do provide some comfort but we have too high expectations when it comes to gaming chairs and when we finally get the gaming chair we get dissapointed its because of the hype that is build in between the time of getting it the chair in our minds feeling it in our minds and actually getting it so its not like gaming chair totally sucks they do but then they dont they are much better than those cheap office chairs or dining chairs.

[@moltenbullet]

Ah well, at least the CEO of Secret Lab is laughing all the way back to his 50million dollar bungalow here in Singapore 🥲

[@btodtv]

That hits harder than the Titans seat pan 🤣 -GK

[@citygent101]

Can you do a review of the $3000 Hag Tribute chair?

[@drallina_lina]

I been sitting on a small wodden chair for years now and recently getting one of those gtchairs. id say is not a scam when your comign from a crappy chair to begging with anyways xD

[@jaysong9759]

Any way you guys can review mavix? They’re a gaming chair company trying to make it more egonomic. Their m9 chair is 1000$ so would love a review from you guys!

[@btodtv]

That is the X chair rebranded into Mavix. We don't have immediate plans to review their gaming line -GK

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

The build quality isn't even as good as Secretcrap, however I do admire their mission to design something that doesn't look like a shitty racing seat.

[@yksnimus]

the problem of both office and gamer chair is the damn wheels how youre supposed to be comfortable if you cant lean on the damn chair withouth it moving, now you need to hold it in place with your legs..nothing comfortable about that

[@oskarjennische2490]

honestly i had my 150 dollar (50% off) akracing chair for like 5 years, works great, i dont feel scammed lol

[@Yasevilkey]

Nice review. Thanks for making this video.

[@Redridge07]

@BTODtv My first time giving you guys a thumbs down. A SCAM means to deceive and defraud someone. What do the chair manufacturers do that would be considered fraud?

[@btodtv]

Not about the manufacturer, about the website reviews-GK

[@eligreg99]

I went from a foldable lawn chair to a lawn chair and I love the difference.

[@johannesdolch]

It really depends: If you want a chair purely for work, don't buy a gaming chair. But I really need a chair for a couple hours typing. Couple hours playing games and then just watching a movie. An Office Chair does me no good because you can't kick back and just relax in it. Now of course you could use two chairs but that's double the money and space.

[@btodtv]

Why cant you kick back and relax in an office chair? -RB

[@johannesdolch]

@@btodtv That's like asking: Why can't a Ferrari be a good Family Van? Because the exact features that make it a great work chair keep it from being a great leisure chair. e.g. flexibility -> lack of stability/rigidness; upright body posture -> lack of lazy comfort; mesh design -> lack of coziness. Asynchronous tilt -> No complete reclining function. etc. etc.

[@btodtv]

Why does rigid equate to kicking back and relaxing? A lazy boy isn’t rigid. My couch isn’t rigid. There is this weird mentality out there that only a gaming chair can be used to kick back and relax in even though an gaming chair is literally modeled after a sports car seat. It’s is not meant to be comfortable. A sports car seat is terrible. It’s like sitting in a hard, non padded version of a normal car seat. That’s a gaming chair. I’d take an equally priced office chair at my home desk setup anyway day over the best gaming chair. -RB

[@eaaeeeea]

Thank you for all the chair videos! They've given me a lot of good pointers to take into account. I sat in the Secret Lab Titan and was about to buy one, liking the integrated lumbar support in the 2022 model. Then I found out about Secret Lab's quality problems, and shady influencer marketing you mentioned. Trying to maximize the value for my money, I went from the EUR 600 Secret Lab to EUR 1500 Malmstolen 4000... It really hurts my wallet, but that is far better than my back hurting. On top of the superior comfort, I'm expecting to get much more years of use out of the proper office chair compared to a gaming chair.

[@yenny7536]

My $230 Ergonomic Mesh Chair is ❤. Has soft adjustable headrest and arm rest, thick mesh, adjustable foot rest, adjustable lumbar support, as big as a secret lab gaming chair, fully reclinable, very sleek looking and has premium plastic and metal materials. I’ll never wish to “downgrade” to a $500+ gaming chair.

[@gamersinger5118]

Yenny Make? Model? Brand? I am looking for a really good chair with all those features.

[@muttleysmith726]

Just goes to show you that everyone needs to shop around first than to go for the first thing you see...go girlfriend.

[@muttleysmith726]

@Gamer Singer shop around first friend don't get baffled into believing you should take the first thing you see...read all the posts people have done Right here on u tube...OK. lemme know what you get, this is getting quite interesting 😏 🤪 Stay well.

[@xsoxuxlxeaterx]

I use a himoni h1 pro. Phenomenal chair, like sitting on a cloud.

[@KingTairun]

Sim racing gamers be like "dude shut up!"

[@Wtfpleasehlp]

I have a GTracing red gaming chair and I agree these are uncomfortable, but I won’t throw it away because it looks cool nor will I ever buy another one😂

[@esaron1071]

but do office chairs have RGB LED bluetooth speakers? I think not!

[@duknuts]

Finally a real human being reviews a gaming chair. They truly are awful but people are so brainwashed they dont even think about the ergonomics they just look at the design and pay $500+ smfh

[@roybuis7646]

My physical therapist actually uses a Noble Chairs Icon in his office. So surely it's ergonomic if an actual physical therapist, someone specialised in ergonomics and seating positions, uses a gaming chair...

[@luknit]

Because he moves... Problem is not a chair.. problem is when we sit longer time without move.

[@mikeym.7370]

Guys I know he said ( in his opinion ) but I must say it’s a gaming chair for racing it’s not supposed to make you wanna go to sleep 🛌. And another thing why do people make these reviews with their opinions attached instead of making it a general public type of review where you let people know what comes with or in the product but keep your own personal feelings about it out of the story

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

I like how some ppl get so triggered when you trash gaming chairs by exposing the BS they are. If you want to mess up your back and flush money down the toilet, be my guest.

[@LawrenceACD]

My mom bought me a gaming chair rc350 darkflash for my birthday its 7000 php thats 130 dollars U.S. converted and my back and butt starts to hurt after sitting in it for 2 3 hours :(

[@sabrina9606]

Is the t3 rush from corsair a good chair?

[@doctorgadget3580]

Wish I saw this before buying a secret labs chair which has been trash so much tail bone pain for a 800 garbage so many people promoting its comfort for long gaming.

[@silvera1109]

Very good points well made thank you. Useful