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[@ToyKeeper]

Adding "gaming" to a thing's description usually just means it has a higher price, a fancy paint job, and some impractical design choices.

[@star5384]

Facts

[@no_to_handles]

And yet they are still being sold thanks to twitch and streamer promos 😭

[@MusashiW-ec2yn]

and translates to overprice cheap products made of poorer quality.

[@Kjklump]

Less padding too.

[@spectre722]

Ooooor.. most people don't wanna spend like a thousand on a Herman Miller.@@no_to_handles

[@michaels2208]

This is gold for me. I got a remote job and my computer chair works for paying bills, or kids doing homework. All day, it is so bad. I also had a spinal fusion surgery 3 months ago, so that doesn't help. I don't have a big budget yet, but i can probably do a $300 chair for now. Thank you.

[@truegrizzlesfan2292]

I bought a used soji chair from eBay for 299 plus shipy 56 dollars

[@klevi4389]

​@@truegrizzlesfan2292is it good?

[@altacalcreative]

I gamed and worked from home on a crappy chair for a long time. I finally invested in a quality chair and I've noticed a huge difference when it comes to comfort. I would say I regret not doing this sooner but truthfully it wasn't something I could afford at the time. I have that Mavix M9 in the video and love it.

[@dawizze1]

Straight up watching for this video because of the exact same reason you listed. Currently game and work from home on a a really really old gaming chair and have had it for a long time. Looking for something good.

[@altacalcreative]

​@dawizze1 This is a great investment considering the cheaper chairs last so many years. Assuming it fits your budget of course. I know forking over this much money for a chair can be wild. I was there at one point and was probably one of the biggest haters about it. I would always say stuff like "this chair better do my work for me at that price" 😂. It does absolutely 0 work for me but I'm really comfy and don't get that butt and back ache my old chair gave me. Best of luck and hope you find something you really like.

[@RusRus72]

@@altacalcreative keep huffing on that copium, trying to justify thousand dollar chair that nobody bought.

[@altacalcreative]

@RusRus72 Here we go..... Right on queue. Never a shortage of trolls. You even edited your comment 😂🤣.

[@RusRus72]

@@altacalcreative wasted 45 dollars on spelling correction software 👆👆👆

[@kratos410]

2:06 woh slow down lady

[@winstonsmith2391]

I came to this same conclusion years ago regarding any product labeled "gaming". In my case it was headphones. Spending $200+ on gaming headphones that never lasted, had no replaceable parts and were generally just inferior to well known audiophile brands. It was well worth and cheaper in the long run to save for a nice pair of headphones. My Sennheiser headphones are going on 12 years old now, can replace the cables, pads etc and just as good as the day I bought them.

[@blakearius]

Audiophile brands still dont last for me. My $300 AKG's the cables went to shit, the $80 pads needed replacement, and a plastic part on 1 part broke. Sennheiser my pads went but I didn't know you could replace them and gave them away. I still need to get myself a new pair I was thinking the Sennheiser HD600XX from massdrop.

[@insaviour2783]

which set of Sennheiser headphones do you have!? I'm in the market for a new headset.

[@winstonsmith2391]

@@insaviour2783 The HD650's. I have loved them and I'd totally recommend someone to try them out. I'd hesitate to buy them blind from some place that is a hassle to make returns with though. The HD650's seem to be split in groups of either love or hate. They are open back and 300 ohm so require a DAC and AMP to push them.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

I currently use Hyperx Cloud Alpha headphones, which I bought for under £100, over 3 years ago. They've held up really well, especially since they're used throughout the work week for me. The pads have cracked a bit, but that's because I've abused them a lot and not looked after them properly. Some audiophile brands are massively overpriced and not really built as well as they should be. I do like Beyerdynamic's budget range, but the lack of a detachable cable is really annoying.

[@moepskie]

Best general advice indeed: avoid "gaming" products, they're usually worse than the non-gaming alternatives.

[@kwee126]

Twist test is the only test necessary

[@btodtv]

Some have called this "Ryan's Patented Move" 😂-Greg

[@mexifry222]

Why?

[@skyshade9106]

Great video as usual. 2 things to note. Steelcase Amia owner here (love the chair by the way I got in 2011 and it has been incredible.) I still find my self grabbing my gaming chair around once a day for a specific task. I also have an extra one for you guessed it my sim racing setup. After it’s all sim racing I want the realism. So that is a point you could have added it is great for people who sim race and want to feel as close to possible and get as much realism as possible. 2nd point, you noted the full recline function is trash. However that’s the reason I grab the chair. I have a tall padded thing I use as a footrest I lay my feet on it and then use my monitor arm to get my big 49 inch monitor high and pointed downward. I use my full recline grab my controller and play laid back games with my controller laying back in a comfortable position just having a good time. So yes an office chair is so much more comfy, however there is specific occasions where a gaming chair is better, I feel like my 2 situations are the only ones. You could also maybe say for looks but I would still rather just get a cool looking office chair.

[@logan666999]

For years I wanted a gaming chair... now that I finally decided to spend some money to upgrade my gaming setup, I don't know what to buy. I did some research and a lot of people are saying NOT to buy a gaming chair. I'm tall and "semi" heavy (110kg). So I was aiming at something sturdy. And that is usally a gaming chair. However... I feel like an office ergonomic chair will simply be more comfortable. I did some research to decide and now I'm even less decided than before xD

[@igors1234]

I'm in the same situation. A month passed since you wrote this comment, have you bought anything? Any advices?

@@igors1234 I bought an office chair less than a year ago, and regretted it almost instantly. It is now broken. The gaming chair that I had before that held way longer (although the cushioning on the arm rests gave out too quickly). From what I can see, and what I dislike about this office chair the most, is that when you recline in an office chair, the seat tilts back too (even a Steelworks Gesture for over a thousand euros seems to behave that way)… gaming chairs have an independently-reclining back. Killer feature for me. So now I will replace this office chair with a gaming chair.

[@logan666999]

@@igors1234 yeah, so I bought Symino gaming chair. In general I am happy with it. It is comffortable and seems sturdy. Tho it is a bit stiff... it's not a deal breaker. And I'm use to it by now. I'm tall and this one is big enough for me to sit on. To be honest I had high expectations for a gaming chair and I was a bit disappointed at first... because like I said, it's a bit stiff. But in general I'm used to it right now and I can sit for hours if needed. Time will tell how durable it will be :) I bought it in June.. so it's only 2-3 months. We'll see :)

[@baptistek1917]

Yes the seat tilts with the back, it is done on purpose, what is the problem with that?

[@alvesvaren]

Had a cheap gaming chair for a few years, was really not good, then I upgraded to a pretty expensive nice office chair that was the same one I had at work, it felt comfortable for ~8h at work so I thought it would be nice at home too, but I didn't like it so I sold it and bought a secret lab titan evo, and it was much more comfortable. I also like to sit with crossed legs, and that was super uncomfortable in my office chair but feels great in my secretlab I think there are better chairs than gaming chairs, but the titan evo isn't a bad chair. I'd never buy a random gaming chair that's just made to look like a car seat though

[@Axeiaa]

I think the main difference is, how many gaming chairs manage to last past say 5 years? Most will have the faux leather peeling, the arm rests failing, the seating going flat etc etc. I'm pretty happy with my GT Omega chair as it seems to about the same quality as any other (steel frame, cold foam etc) but was £220 rather than £300-500. Now after half a decade however the seat is starting to go flat, all the seams in the seating have rippedthrough the faux leather. To be fair, If I can get another seat for it I'd happily sit in for another half a decade. My sitting posture although not great doesn't result in back aches and seems to work with most chairs. The reason for me to go for an office chair is that they actually seem to last. There's Steelcase and Herman Miller chairs in their 'teens' that functionally are still the same as a new one, and they come with warranties that back that up. Gaming chairs mostly seem to be 2-3 years of warranty (warranty that doesn't cover pretty much everything that will go wrong because they'll write it down to normal wear and tear even when it isn't)

[@Hermitmaster]

I'm nearly 5 years into my SecretLab Omega, almost still like new. One arm has started to crack due to me leaning, and the pillow has a hole. Other than that, I'm amazed how long it's lasted.

[@CAIDMASTEROFPYRO]

Yeah mine is about 6years old and the foam in the seat is completely flattened, it is not a comfortable chair anymore, the leather has held up fairly well though

[@Central_Media3656]

I bought a gaming chair once...key word ONCE.

[@btodtv]

Smart decision to keep it to one time :) -Greg

[@GoombaNL]

I'd love to see a Embody Gaming vs Digital Knit Fern video, and with a bit more focus on slouching and comfort rather than ergonomics! As I'm chronically ill, I can't go to nearby shops to test out the chairs myself, especially when they often don't have these 2 specific models :(

[@phyxion123]

Yeah i really feel like he puts emphasis on things that dont really matter like being able to swing your arms and stretch in your chair. What matters most is being comfortable in different positions you actually stay in and the ability to still use the keyboard/mouse. You could also argue its better to just get up and walk around a minute than stretch in your chair.

[@thehullysfamily]

Great video, but just like most videos to do with chairs it's usually US where as I'm in the uk and it can be harder to find the links and chairs you guys talk about for obvious reason, different regions

[@amirkaragozlu]

got the logitech embody gaming chair after watching your reviews for it and well , let's just say that i have 0 regrets , love it

[@GoombaNL]

How is it if you move around a lot like putting your feet on the chair or desk, or trying to recline a decent bit?

[@btodtv]

Nice! One of my favs for sure. -Ryan

[@amirkaragozlu]

@@GoombaNL it feels amazing . i weight 100 kg , 178 cm height . so i am for sure on the heavy side , i mostly game and sit on the chair 8 hours minimum daily , it got rid of the back pain that the gaming chairs gave me , lumbar support is amazing , u can flex ur back as much as u want without fearing it would break, also i love cracking my back on it lmao . i mean .... it's just amazing

[@bruhaha69]

Couldn't agree more. I'm not a big guy but I have chronic back pain. My wife bought the Logitech/ Herman Miller embody for me as a 40th birthday gift. I'd say there was probably a two week period getting the chair adjusted to how I liked it, but after that it's easily been the best chair I've ever sat in. Getting out of that. Majorly reduces back and hip aches. Mighty pricey but so worth it for your back and hips

[@bruhaha69]

@user-rr9ic3xb6z How long did you try it for? For my first 2 weeks, I was unsure I liked it at all for the same reason, but once I got the back adjusted right, I couldn't love it any more than I do now. For me, it was about 2 weeks to get it just right.

[@NessOnett8]

My issue is that I just can't get comfortable in an "office" chair. I've had a $2k Herman Miller Embody. I hated it. The relatively hard thin back is uncomfortable. I need something more substantive behind me. Currently looking at the Evo and hoping it can give me the best of both worlds.

[@freeforpaul]

did you end up getting one? I am thinking the same thing

[@ulysses4989]

Get an Anda seat kasier

[@itranscendencei7964]

Sorry if this isnt the best place to ask, but figured I would try. I had a pretty bad accident that makes sitting upright in a chair rather painful. So sitting at a desk has been something I have to do minimally. My chair is old and not great, so I've been looking to replace it. The main thing I need is just for the butt cushion to be quite soft, and enough room for easy position adjustment. I've considered just getting a recliner because of this, but there has to be a better option than that. I need something that is soft and somewhat spacious, as i need to readjust my seating position very frequently, so I know I should be looking office chairs. I'm just not sure where to start. If anyone here has any advice, I would greatly appreciate it. :)

[@ditoo2002]

I personally prefer recliners, but if its gonna be used in an office setting, maybe an office chair with a kick back stand for your feet. Or just add a cushion to an ergonomic chair. I know this is a late reply, but thought I could help

[@itranscendencei7964]

I appreciate the reply all the same. I actually watched some more videos from these guys and decided to pick up a Haworth Soji (95% Polyester Cushion) during their Black Friday sale. Having a recliner for my desk would have been very cumbersome as I'm in an apartment, so not a ton of space. Although I do plan on getting a recliner for my living room, so it also seemed a bit silly to get 2 in the end. Lol. The chair has been great so far. Still breaking it in, and it makes me wish I had an adjustable desk. A foot rest is something I will be looking into, but am ultimately happy with the choice. :)

[@ditoo2002]

@@itranscendencei7964 good for you man, I'm glad you're happy with your choice, just an fyi for the recliner. If you're gonna get a leather one, make sure it's genuine leather or else it'll start ripping apart within a year

[@James-fe7wd]

Thanks for this, and sharing your insight!

[@phillauritz5111]

The new colamy showed up in this video-you guys mentioned it in your Amazon deals video as well. Any chance you’ll do a deeper look at this chair in the future?

[@btodtv]

Its coming! It will be live before BF and CM I believe -Greg

[@CAIDMASTEROFPYRO]

I have a gaming chair, I want to upgrade to a nice office chair but I have used the full back tilt once, I injured my back and having my chair tilted back up against my bed so I could lay in the chair with more support and ever so slightly tilled up with my feet in the bed was the only way I could get to sleep for a couple nights. very uncommon use case obviously but not sure how I would have gotten to sleep if I didn't have the chair

[@DelScully]

what kind of chair would I want to get if I enjoy sitting cross legged sometimes or with one foot under my body, and I also use blankets a lot as it gets rather cold in my home during winter. I've been having lots of back issues with my current chair.

[@User_92020]

Grow a pair

[@DelScully]

@@User_92020 grow up keyboard warrior

[@punchyscyllarus565]

the herman miller embody has a wide and flat seat, i side one leg under or cross legged sometimes. can't do that on the aeron.

[@CeresOutpost]

I have a Secret Lab Titan that I absolutely hate as a work-from-home business owner. Not only is it not very comfortable for the price, but it hasn't held up well, with the seat pad splitting open and arm rests falling apart within a year after purchase. I'm fit and weigh 180lbs, so it's not like I should be stressing this chair out. I'm over it and looking at an ergo chair, which is why I am here.

[@FGKTV]

thanks for the video! I actually had the same thoughts and you just proved to me that I'm right. Even cheap but properly shaped office chair is much better than highly-priced gaming chair.

[@reload9996]

Thank you man, mind blowing logic!

[@Gidrah]

Can the tallest guy in your office recommend a chair for a someone 6'5" 240lb with neck and shoulder pain? I dont care for aggressive lumbar just good neck, shoulder, and elbow support. 4D armrest and at least 20 depth on the seat for sitting cross-legged. The most comfortable backrest I've used is on the Serta Hensley but the armrests are unusable and the seat raises my legs too much. Currently use it with the arms installed upside-down and a clamp on desk elbow rest arm but still find it hard to get comfortable aside from sitting cross legged and never feel like I have enough elbow support and get leg pain. From your videos Im thinking the Fern no lumbar/headrest with an atlas headrest mod or the Mavix M9 to use with my Uplift Desk. Advice would be greatly appreciated. Chairs ive tried but didnt like. Serta Hensley: great back bad arms unergonomic seat. Steelcase Gesture: Seat too shallow. Steelcase Leap Plus: Did not lime the back, it dug into my shoulders and found I missed a headrest. Logitech Embody: Was not blown away, too small for me. Herman Miller Aeron C: Did not like at all, overrated. Found the plastic on the seat and shoulder area hitting pressure points.

[@kenspos914]

I'm 6'2 240 and constantly had back pain while sitting. I got to Titan Evo 2, and I can now I can sit all day at my desk extremely comfortably with no back pain anymore. In contrast to most of the commenters here I wanted a stiff back and something that could support my weight properly. I love my Titan.

[@iliketoast-q9b]

Interesting, I'm 6'4" 230 and I prefer a stiff and tall back rest. I've sat in the Herman Miller Aeron and while it was comfortable I also think it's overrated. Will probably buy the ThunderX3 Core soon.

[@tonygant2448]

I had that GTracing chair and for what I spent on it, it wasn't that great. Not a horrible chair! I just expected more. Fast forward to visiting my Pops house after having the GTracing chair for a while, I'm sitting in his office chairs and it was a lot more comfortable and cheaper too. Idk who made them, but he got them from Staples.

[@sngcelebi7040]

You baited me haha. I was really hoping to see the Destrier review in this video, but I guess I'll have to wait :(. I'm staying tuned, even more hyped up than before ahah.

[@btodtv]

Sunday it drops -Greg

[@JS-ji5fl]

Right? Chairs been out for months and it has barely any reviews. Same with Razer Fujin (non pro) my

[@btodtv]

There haven't been many available to try. Seems like they limited how many were available to the general public. We buy almost all of the things we review so it took a while to track one down. I had to drive 3 hours to get it from the nearest Micro Center, when there was "1" actually available -Greg

[@Abezilla]

I am not paying $1,200.00 for a chair.

[@chiefeugene]

Can you afford it

[@Pokemark17]

For me i dont think i have a choice but to get a gaming chair im 5'8 but im pretty broad shoulders so i hate ergonomic chairs since any ive tryed just ruin my back most cheap ones just don't have the length or depth

[@simplyme9336]

all arguments sounds good but ld still dig the reclining feature

[@jarathen1625]

I don’t know how this concept of a seat meant to cradle people in a moving vehicle somehow became a thing to sell people sitting at home.

[@Kami3Kaze]

Targeted marketing

[@btodtv]

It's because gaming chairs were first designed for racing sims. That's why the first gaming chair companies have names like DxRacer and NeedforSeat. It was just meant to imitate the driving experience to make it more immersive. The look took off, so they just went with it as the default design for any type of gaming chair. -Ryan

[@iliketoast-q9b]

They're also designed so the driver can sit in them for hours on end without issues. So they're actually very comfortable if they fit your body shape and you don't have to move much.

[@Asghaad]

@@btodtvor maybe the gaming isnt office work and having rigid frame that holds position is desired ... when gaming i dont need to reach for a copier, phone on the desk write a note or sign a piece of paper ... what i want is to find a position and then spend 10+ hours in that same position without suffering any fatigue from the chair. which means rigid solid chair that DOES NOT FLEX ... exactlyu the same thing as racing seats in cars that are designed to keep drivers comfortable for hours on end even in moving vehicle that goes over bumps on the road. and if someone has issues with side "railing" on a gaming chair it just means they chose wrong size of one, just get one with wider body.

[@angeloluna529]

Ive sat on a gaming chair before and it felt of very low quality, the cushion was hard, lumbar support laughable and looked like it wont last long. I bought a hermann miller aeron chair and its one of the best chairs ive ever bought. The cheap office chairs i bought gave me some back problems, the aeron heavily reduced the strain on my back. I plan on buying another aeron for my brother since hes stuck with a crappy gaming chair which also gave gim back problems

[@CobusvanRensburg]

Man, I needed this video for a decision, Thank you sir 🙌

[@redwarrior864]

This video has somewhat firmed my decision to get the Titan. I realised last night while debating this that I am one of those people who sits IN a chair rather than on it; the way i was lounging would have seen me leaning out of an office chair, but my cheap racer supported me. This video echoed my thoughts on that note exactly. A better quality chair will do me better.

[@orangemc9358]

As someone who PROMPTLY returned a Titan, be wary. it is incredibly, and I mean INCREDIBLY firm. Like, it's a fucking rock. You're not sitting on a chair cushion, you've got a sedimentary rock numbing your legs from the thighs down. Oh, and I didn't return it, I sold it second hand because their return policy is ass.

[@LucilleFlowerFairy]

@@orangemc9358 did you get a large or regular? I read that a large needs more time to get soft.

[@Mlinnik]

@@orangemc9358 what kind of material did you get with the chair im thinking on getting one but getting the plus fabric

[@needum9212]

@@orangemc9358 yea its a really hard chair wish it had more cushion.

[@1bluensx]

Really good video. I’ve been wanting to know this, as I’m currently looking for an office chair

[@starstenaal527]

Thank you for talking me out of buying a titan evo. Their marketing really messed with me. What's the best chair to get in that price range, so ~500€ in Europe?

[@mihailtudor3541]

What is the name of the clock with animated weather thingy?

[@whynotbelk]

I bought a gaming chair a year ago and my back hurts using this. It's the secretlabs one. Considering switching. I also find the side handles really annoying personally, they're too big

[@wojtek-33]

Funny you say gaming chairs force you into one position. Office chairs force you into office mode. All their adjustability is great, for customizing the chair for office work. Slouching in an office chair is near impossible, the seats aren't comfortable for long periods, the fabric is usually too grippy. And being 6'2" 225, the recommended office chairs are generally pretty terrible. Also weird that the top brands don't think people over 5' 9" exist. After returning several high end office chairs, I am in a Walmart Serta chair. Arms sucks, but the back is tall, wide and flat and I can sit in in for as many hours as needed with never feeling like I need ot get up. Make that chair Steelcase.

[@kathy5057]

I've never really understood the hype of gaming chairs. The ones we have easily available here (considerably mid range for some people likely) look so stiff and like it could hurt my back. I started from a monobloc chair to an old office one my mom used before but the arm rests were too low for my desk. After 3 years, I got an ergonomic office chair for roughly 200usd and it is a game changer. The arm rests can pull up and its less stressful for my arms/hands to use the keyboard and mouse. The back offers lumbar support. It suits my 5'11 fat body. I can actually sit lotus style on the seat comfortably and the chair bears my weight so well, Im not scared that the pump would break and/or I fall off. Its beautifully in red and white and the back and seat are mesh material that fits tropical climates (or if youre a really sweaty person). Going 3 weeks with me and no regrets! Putting here if anyone's interested, its the Sihoo M57. 200usd is like a months worth of salary for most people in my country so that's why it took me so long to decide. Its so comfy to work/game/read or just watch movies while sitting. :)

[@aviv32]

the problem is office chairs basic angle is 105 degrees compare to gaming chairs who u can choose from 90 degrees to around 170 and i feel like when i game and hard focusing on it, the 90 degrees just feel more focused and into the game and when i tried office chair, yeah they are alot better in comfrtoable, but i just cant see myself focusing on the game and leaning that far back... what do u think ?

[@adamrutz6655]

Just about to say this

[@VaiperGD]

hey are you sure the amazon colamy chair linked in the description is the atlas model?

[@seekthetablet9548]

The gaming chair holds you in place, like a racing car seat does. Think about it; an actual gaming pro is spending 30-45 minutes locked in on a game, pushed forward, then they break for a while in a real tournament on stage. If you're gaming four hours and hours it should obviously be more like an office chair, as that is designed for that use case. Like a racing styled seat in a car makes sense for a race car driver, but would be wildly uncomfortable for anyone making a daily commute or road trip

[@kim_yong_un]

I also think it’s important to consider the platform.. You don’t need the same position on a console with controller. I get stiff from sitting up with my feet down all the time. Playing on a 71” screen with a playstation, i was looking for a compact reclining chair with footrest, that i can easily put aside when i need the space. Gamingchair seemed a good choice. Are they really that bad?😅

[@MonstaRr.]

You are better off with a normal recliner than a gaming chair if you game on a console

[@vedomedo]

I used a gaming chair for years, and it ruined my posture. Got the Herman Miller Embody last year, and literally all of my back and shoulder pains went away.

[@EP50009]

used aeron chair is the best thing I've ever bought 10 years ago

[@alexsmith123]

Thanks for your video. I like your table (I mean black table). Please tell me what brand it is?

[@Jcccc23]

Is this chair good ? Parker Living Fabric Heavy Duty Desk Chair - 350 lb. - Ozone

[@firetruck988]

I've not been able to make office chairs work, perhaps due to my height? Gaming chairs just seem more comfortable (at least for me), and I like the feeling of being held in place like in a car. I seem to be able to sit in car seats (bucket, not rear bench) for long periods without discomfort too. That being said maybe I haven't tried an expensive enough office chair to give them a fair shot?

[@firetruck988]

If you read this BTODtv, what are your thoughts?

[@juggernaut1710]

Fully agree to you sir!

[@Neo3191]

i need a tall flat back office chair, i had spine fusion and it actually hurts more to sit in a chair with the lump in the lower back, any suggestions?

[@PETVET07]

Thanks a lot buddy! This helps a lot!

[@supremebeme]

had a dx racer for like 15 years, time to move to office style for my back sake

[@The_Lesser_Evil]

So can you list office chairs you recommend for gaming?

[@alfalfasprout69]

I had a titan evo, it was the most unconfortable chair I've ever had, I returned it after many arguments with secret labs. I just don't understand why so many people like them

[@adelinaionelacostea7853]

Thanks a lot for this!

[@ravencl]

I find myself unfortunately in the position of someone who does sit more inside a chair, so I want something like that preferably plush, with proper adjustable armrests so my elbow can be level with my desk but I just can’t seem to find a middle ground that’s good for both sides of wanting good sitting health, but still maintaining the possibility for a lazy sitting style.

[@developerdeveloper67]

Problem with these "mesh" chairs is that the the mesh rough, it's not soft as proper cushion and as the chair gets used, if you use it a lot, all day the fabric will start to get lose in the places your put more weight and then the "ergonomic" of them goes out of the windows and you end up with highly curved back uncomfortable chair. For me this was bad, particularly on the lower back curve. I favor a FLAT back chair, tough that is counter intuitive, I prefer I myself buy or make my own lower back cushion so that when it goes bad, if it goes back I can just change it.

[@AceBurn90]

Any recommendations for a office chair? Should not be more expensiv than 1000€. For 8-12h (sit-time) and I am using it for my gaming PC most the time.

[@Sendijs-t6g]

Today y bought office chair 130 €. Fcking awsome chair. Alot space and soo much comfort sitting in it. Im happy.

[@Mlinnik]

@@Sendijs-t6g what kind of chair and name

[@saidsmailgmail9498]

Very very informative. Excellent. Thank you

[@Aleloltrol]

thanks for letting me understand that I don't need a office/gaming chair ... I need an armchair LoL

[@KartiacKID]

Just goes on ones preference, I prefer the gaming chair holding me in place and a solid back which better supports my back as a 6’2” 240lb guy

[@KartiacKID]

I went for an expensive ergonomic chair and was highly disappointed over the solid gaming chair, with arm rests which flip backwards out of the way for when I play guitar and The gaming chairs my buddy had, well it had much better butt and back padding over my mesh back with lumbar support that was just to flexible and flimsy

[@KartiacKID]

I also am not spending $500 plus on a chair my cat will claw the $$$$ out of me

[@tennumb2710]

I find steelcase pretty same quality with high price tag. You get the same chair for 200 in ikea

[@btodtv]

If you are going to make outlandish claims like this, then you need to elaborate. Let’s pick a model from each brand. How is the IKEA Markus the same chair as the Steelcase Leap? Let’s start with specifically the build quality since that is what you commented on. -Ryan

[@ea214]

Watching this 10 months later and so glad I did. Kept me from making an expensive mistake.

[@B58-Premo]

I’m going to get both lol, GTRacing gaming chair, and Herman miller.

[@saurlex1368]

I'm a big fan of the Secret Lab Titan XL(Not EVO). The XL is better than the EVO because the base is flatter and the bucket back is less restrictive. I'm over 6ft tall and weigh over 100kgs. so i'm in the demographic of office chairs are too small. Also, I'm not one to go lie on the lounge and watch TV, I watch TV shows in my PC chair at my desk and recline, etc. a big issue with ergo chairs is they are designed to only elt you sit up straight, you can't lie back and chill.

[@btodtv]

6'0" tall and 220 lbs is not a size that pushes you out of office chairs. They push you out of standard sized gaming chairs but ergonomic chairs are much more adjustable and there are a ton that will fit you just fine. Ergo chairs are not designed to only let you sit straight up. The recline and tilt mechs on ergo chairs, even priced as low as $100, are better than the design Secret Lab uses. -Ryan

[@jestami]

Been sitting in a costco brand gaming chair for the past 5 years. Got myself a Steelcase gesture, and oh my god.

[@btodtv]

Nice upgrade! -Ryan

[@circuschris2880]

I've always hated Gaming chairs because idiots across the board drop so much money on them so they can appear cool, it's like the Gucci Gang equivalent in computing, same with wireless headsets. I've needed a new headset and chair for a while now and have been looking at executive chairs and even they have gone up over just the last few years to stupid levels, about 100% price disparity. Yeah the pandemic and the greedflation that we are seeing in this late stage cpaitalism are big factors but so are the plonkers dropping good money on crappy products. Everything you said about them is spot on and the majority of people buying these are complete muppets.

[@justanotheraviator2357]

Exec and manger chairs are the best.

[@campitcher8507]

Nailed it. Great video. I'll be sending this to all my secret lab fanboy friends

[@Hermitmaster]

You know why they're fanboys? Because the seats are comfy.

[@campitcher8507]

@@Hermitmaster Nope

[@Hermitmaster]

@@campitcher8507 I guess it's a preference thing. I love mine, but it takes a few days to get used to the firmness compared to 'normal' soft chairs. 4ish years in and I still haven't managed to destroy it yet.

[@campitcher8507]

@@Hermitmaster I mean that's fine if you love it. That's your preference. There's also a huge cost difference between a secret lab and a herman miller. Not everyone wants to fork out $1500+ for a chair, that's pretty crazy. But I think if you're talking about the actual "ergonomics" of sitting, secret lab doesn't fall into that category. Yes, the seat cousins are well padded, the product is study and well built. But they force your shoulder's forward instead of back, they don't have proper lumbar support, there's zero flexibility, the neutral posture is wrong, etc. When I was 20ish years old, I had a racing style seat and was fine with it. But as you get older, you really start to feel the difference.

[@FcoEnriquePerez]

Thank you, a very needed video for those people going for those chairs just for the looks and the "gaming" mimmic.

[@meat_loves_wasabi]

I have a low table with pillow on top to rest my feet up when I recline back so that the feet are not hanging off the chair

[@rustomms]

Which chair is the one at 4:21 in the video?

[@btodtv]

Colamy Ergonomic chair. -Ryan

[@dougwhite-ty1ny]

Appears to be the Colamy brand found on Amazon

[@paft]

Any proper reviews of the Thunder X3 Core anywhere? You know, from someone who knows what they're talking about.

[@jt.8144]

Yup. Herman Miller AERON for the past 20 years. Still The Best.

[@youzongliu]

The problem with office chairs is I can't ever find one that reclines back like a gaming chair does. I like to sit reclined back and office chairs sitting straight up is so uncomfortable to me

[@BestRatedProducts]

Hey I noticed the new Asus Destrier in the thumbnail and I wanted to ask if you can maybe do a stand alone review. Thinking of getting the chair but there are not enough reviews or even Reddit reviews. Plz plz make one! Thanks

[@btodtv]

Coming this Sunday -Greg

[@CoffeeFresh_]

I use a standing desk. I don't normally sit when at my computer

[@vandercomics]

I've had a gaming char for 5 year now, and I'm sick off it, it is hard and gets really uncomftreble when it is hot outside because it doesn't breath

[@CHEEBnRUN]

I clicked on your latest video just to ask you to review the asus rog chair, but it's already in the video, lol

[@btodtv]

Review coming out in a couple days! - RG

[@MostlyFish21]

Yeah I feel like a complete idiot for sitting in a cheap $150 Amazon "gaming" chair for over 2 years. I'm buying Herman Miller gaming embody when it goes on sale next month

[@Cobinja]

One sad thing about the Big 3 office chair companies is: 2/3 of them have limited customizability options when it comes to their international online stores. Haworth e.g.: in their own international online store, you can only buy the Fern in black without the extra lumbar support. There are no color options nor can you add the lumbar support. Similar story with Steelcase. E.g. the Amia in their german online store available in 9 quickship colors, you can't choose the fabric or frame color. Of the Big 3 only Herman Miller let's us germans choose what americans can choose.

[@Cobinja]

Oh, and I forgot: as far as I know, at least Haworth build the chairs for europe in europe. They don't ship built chairs over the pond.

[@StardustLegacyFighter]

Yeah, Herman Miller seems to be the only big furniture brand that has some kind of presence outside of North America. In the UK, they have a great availability of chairs, with great levels of customisation. Both Haworth and Steelcase don't have the same level of attention outside of North America.

[@laszlo9420]

There are now 5 color options for the fern in the international shop. They are not very good tbh

[@13Shadeslayer]

just one thing I miss from my old gaming chair is the really deep recline - use case of watching a football game, I want to just lean back as in a sofa which a good (secretlab) gaming chair allows. The Embody just doesn't recline as deep and due to no headrest is not really that great at being able to deep recline while watching something.

[@Kruk1975]

There is a reason all the top streamers that actually make money, have German miller, or steelcase etc

[@FragACER-c3v]

Even if I do have a gaming chair I still want the logitech x herman miller chair

[@BMilitant]

Agreed

[@PavloSalenko]

Totally different story for countries without all your trusted brands. Even when you can buy HM for inflated price (for a price of a good gaming chair I can only buy HM's stacking chair), usually you still can't test it out. Gaming chairs are much easier to get and feel befory buying. As for generic office chairs - you are usually getting plastic lumbar support that cuts into your back. I'm not telling you gaming chairs are better, but you can buy their expensive models everywhere people game, and depending on a model those can be better than office counterparts, at least in 2024.

[@winnieid2727]

the problem for me is availability, gaming chair is more available than good office chair, if there is any there is an insane mark up price for it.

[@gamer.clipped6744]

By any chance what is the chair featured at 4:37 in the video

[@midast6383]

I believe he said the Brand Name was ( O-M - Yes ) not sure but the headrests looks similar to the one seen at 5:12

[@MPK_K1NG]

what is that UNSC chair? looks sick. Is it from Fern? Hayworth Fern?

[@Finer_Details]

yes

[@btodtv]

That is the Haworth x Halo: Fern Gaming Chair - RG

[@KaoruSugimura]

I find it odd that they choose the cheaper/less comfy for long sessions office chairs when gaming chairs can easily exceed $500. At that price you can get a good EXECUTIVE office chair that is very well padded and will last much longer than any gaming chair. It's just weird that every yt chamnel trying to compare them always goes to the bare ass wore mesh chairs rather than the executive vhaors you often see in professional settings and in movies. It's like they are trying hard to make the gamer chairs look like a good value until you see even a half decent executive office chair makes them look cheap.

[@kevins5166]

Anybody know the model name of the brown chair in the thumbnail?

[@_8gb_75]

It looks orange to me but it’s a Haworth fern

[@ramza675]

Just my personal opinion I think comfy leather office chairs are the best. If I got into those other chairs I would not feel as comfy I think.

[@infinitetourment]

did you ever try a office chair yet

[@imaginableAudio]

bro, i need a chair with no arm rest because I compose music and I need my guitar. What would you recommend without breaking the bank?

[@EmperorKonstantine01]

Dining chair

[@glacialimpala]

I feel like the office&gaming chairs are mostly targeting the average human who doesn't lift weights and needs external support to sit comfortably. I was almost into buying Herman Miller when my situation changed and I had to sit on the floor to use my PC (which was on very low living room TV stand. I spent years sitting down for 1-6h like that and I never had any pain except numb ass from time to time. But I go to the gym. So yeah, I call this a semi scam - good for people with weak muscles, but also masking the very issue with health.

[@zilliq]

I know it's a stock photo but 3:58 this dude put his shoes on his pillow, I thought americans were always weird to lie in bed fully dressed / wearing shoes; but shoes on the pillow side is pushing it one step further into lunacy

[@lolomelon528]

lay* in bed. as a proud American i can tell you most of us sleep naked

[@chrisnguyen1720]

My Asian ass I have to literally scrape my feet against each other NO PARTICLES ALLOWED ON MY BED! besides if there was crud from shoes I’d have to karate chop them off my bed haha

[@nugebug]

Gtracing literally gave me scoliosis.. i don’t recommend 😅 buying a secretlabs chair now

[@deeeeeeps]

I sleep in my chair with my feett on my bed. Gaming chair seems perfect!

[@venom5809]

Off topic but I was watching The Fall of the House of Usher (great show by the way) and the dad had an Eames lounge chair but as an office chair and I spent an inordinate amount of time last night searching for that chair before finally realizing that it didn't exist in that form or does it? That would be an amazing office chair, I wonder how hard it would be to convert one?

[@Renzsu]

It doesn't, the closest option is probably the Lobby Chair ES 104.

[@venom5809]

@@Renzsu It was the lounge chair but converted to an office chair and now I must have it. I don't know why they don't make one like that? I want mine in green with palisander wood.

[@Renzsu]

@@venom5809 Probably because the seat would be too deep for an ergonomic posture. It would be worth an attempt to make it yourself with a frame and a knockoff lounge chair.

[@venom5809]

@@Renzsu I feel like they just put wheels on it which seems doable.

[@jvwMUSIC]

The way I see it, a gaming chair isn't really the same product as an office chair. Its basically just a recliner with wheels. if you aren't heavily tilted back it wont be comfortable. Now, I like to tilt back specifically with my feet propped up on a pillow ottoman about and its truly great like that in my secret lab omega but for sitting upright I managed to snag a used steelcase leap v2 and that's a lot better for tasking or really dialed in mouse inputs for gaming. Definitely agree that those side bolsters on the seat need to go though. Maybe if you actually want to make a racing sim setup they could make sense for authenticity but then that's a whole different use-case and mounted different.

[@blakearius]

Gaming chairs are terrible for reclining, the expensive one I you couldn't use the computer practically while using it and the cheap chair well I felt like the whole chair was gonna tip back.

[@jvwMUSIC]

@@blakearius i'm speaking from my own personal experience and you're speaking from yours. the way **I** am using it, it feels practical and quite comfortable. Its especially nice when i am using a controller for certain games, i don't need to reach for a keyboard and i can fully tilt back. I additionally have an adjustable keyboard tray to extend the depth of my desk for when i am reclining like that and still need my keyboard.

[@blakearius]

@@jvwMUSIC My $500 the seat wore through, replaced with a mates $50 gaming chair.. recently finally got a leap V2 for $700. It's pure heaven compared to those chairs, my moderate back pain I got from working on art projects for 3 weeks is gone. in retrospect I feel like the biggest problem is how the gaming chairs box in your shoulders.

[@jvwMUSIC]

@@blakearius oh yeah if you're doing any drawing a gaming chair would be absolutely terrible.

[@xorg5464]

I wonder though, what would your opinion be on IKEA's gaming chair, the Matchspel?

[@btodtv]

F Tier. -Ryan

[@theMasch1na]

almost none of the chairs are available in my country :((( except of course 1700 dollar herman miller which is flat out insane, id rather sit on the ground than pay that...