5 Reasons I Changed My Mind About The Trinity - by Sid Hatch

Sid Hatch, Th.M. (Dallas Theological Seminary) and long-term Baptist minister relates to a Theological Conference about his journey from Trinitarianism to being a One God believer. In his presentation, he talks about Scriptural, Technical, Practical, Historical and Prophetic reasons he changed his view from the idea that “God is three in one” to his faith that “God is truly One.” This presentation was made at Oregon Bible College.
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[@soenitasardjoe9018]

Thank you brother for your speach. For 42 years i believe in the trinity but the Lord has open my eyes

[@jordyn_shorts]

See that's the thing. Does the bible contradict itself? One second it says Jesus is only the son of God and the next it says before Abraham, I Am? This makes no sense to me. I don't want to leave Christianity, because i do believe in Jesus, but what is going on here? Do we worship Him or God. Maybe I need to go through a deconstruction process.

[@dennismorales7265]

@@jordyn_shorts ... It doesn't make sense to you of course.. The phrase before Abraham was, I am.. means he's telling the people before Abraham came to existence Jesus (Yahusha) already exist. And before the creation of the world.. Remember man haven't even created yet before the world was if he is only a man.

[@RodMartinJr]

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[@martinmartin6300]

Halleluja!

[@donk1822]

Who is this Lord my friend, does he have a name?

[@andretresvant]

Powerful truth! Thanks for the share” yes One God and One individual who is him!

[@rosemerrynmcmillan1611]

Love this presentation.and the speaker is so humble and sweet and sincere.

[@Psalm-pu2jq]

This is a wonderful presentation. What an extraordinary man of God!

[@russellkurger2698]

Thank you Brother Hatch for a wonderful lesson. In many ways I was blessed to have not been brought up in the church as my parents grew up in differing denominations (Assembly of God and Southern Baptist), so they attended neither. In my early 20's I became very involved in a very legalistic denomination to the point I did a couple of years as a missionary in a Third World country. While there I was convicted too many things I had just swallowed as facts were far from the Truth. When I came home I purged my Faith of everything I had ever learned and only held on to the Bible as the Word of God. It took a number of years of study to rediscover the Truth and doctrine of the trinity was left on the trash heap of theology where it belongs. ~Shalom

[@davechristensen8299]

This was WORTH MY TIME! Some unique perspectives. "Show me how to draw a square circle, and I will let you explain the Trinity"! 😅🤣🥰 Jews use Zach 14:9, The Great Prophesy, almost as much as the Shema. In it the LORD who will be King over all the earth is YHVH. YHVH will be recognized as ONE. It is affirming the Shema. Those who keep the Shema will be marked with the Father's Name on their foreheads.

[@davechristensen8299]

@@captivetohope Correct! Some places say, "the seal of God"; Jesus said, "I will write the Name of my God and the Name of the city of my God and my own new name"; "The Lamb and the Name of his Father". This all starts with the Shema in Deut 6:4 which says we will be marked or sealed on the forehead with the Name of God who is One. As a Jew and a Christian being sealed with the Name of God is the foundational point. To me being "sealed" is about a relationship, not actually a physical imprint, but just as obvious.

[@trumpershaveblinderson7470]

We get ridiculed often. But that's what evil does. It attacks truth. They don't comprehend. Woe to Churches talked about in Revelation. Is wide spread teachings of the Trinity.

[@DaDitka]

I have discovered that the spirit of John Calvin is alive and well among trinitarian believers. Not all of them, mind you. But some.

[@MrsTayIor]

I love how I came to "one God" with the same steps someone as brilliant as Sid did. I don't feel so bad now about not figuring it out sooner. I started out as a trinitarian (nearly 40 years) and learned that wasn't right. Then I thought perhaps Yeshua and Yah were one. I sat with that for a few months but I still couldn't answer a lot of questions and it just was not sitting right with me. Then finally Yah opened my eyes to ONE GOD and his son Yeshua. Praise Yah for helping me to see!!!!

[@tom..193]

you speak english not hebrew. His name is Jesus. It doesn't make you more spiritual using a language you can't understand

[@MrsTayIor]

@@tom..193 then you know that in English we don’t transliterate names. Maybe you should have spent more time on the topic than worrying about the name I use.

[@jamesloyer9204]

Now you need Sabbath truth

[@Psalm-pu2jq]

Thanks - but actually we have Sabbath truth!

[@rosemerrynmcmillan1611]

Awesome!! Love it! So encouraging!

[@jessejames4967]

"Let us make man in our image." Yes I believe He was talking to Jesus and the angels... The Heavenly Counsel. Or maybe God was talking directly to Jesus alone because God is the Architect and He taught Jesus to be the Master Builder. Father and Son individually creating mankind together. Two individuals working together.

[@trumpershaveblinderson7470]

Yet Jesus is not Jehovah God This verse like many others. Clearly states Jesus is not God. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17)

[@trumpershaveblinderson7470]

Also let go and make man. Is explained in John 1 1 God spoke everything into existence. Using his words. In the beginning was the word and the word was God and the word was (with) God. Meaning yes Jesus was with God when God formed and made mankind.

[@jessejames4967]

@@trumpershaveblinderson7470 Agreed!

[@royfredericks2231]

Wonderful breakdown💯💯💯💯

[@dianaz4200]

It's VERY well explained!! ❤❤❤ Zec 14:9 TS2009 And יהוה shall be Sovereign over all the earth. In that day there shall be one יהוה, and His Name one.

[@smalltimer4370]

Yep, we can see the revelation of that moment: _'YHWH, the GOD of your fathers, the GOD of Abraham, the GOD of Isaac, and the GOD of Jacob, has sent me to you, this is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations'_ - Exodus 3.15 _'Christ the firstfruit, then those who are Christ’s at His coming. Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to GOD the Father, when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all His enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be abolished is death. For, He put all things in subjection under his feet - but when He says, 'all things are put in subjection', it is evident that He is excepted who subjected all things to Him. When all things have been subjected to Him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to Him who subjected all things to Him, _*_that GOD may be all in all'_* - 1 Cor 15.23-28

[@jamesrougeau]

Very nice amen. Thanks for sharing.

[@a.lavernefilan1888]

For more info on this topic watch KZbin video's, 'THE TRINITY - A WARNING TO SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST PART 1 (and part 2) - PIONEERING AGAIN', and 'Warfare Over the Matter - Judgement Hour' and 'The Future of Unity and the Trail of the Serpent - Judgement Hour' and 'But Whom Say Ye That I Am? (Part 1&2) -Judgement Hour'.

[@carolkenealy1587]

Yes, they are all good videos... it broke my heart, to learn that the church that I believed was God's remnant/chosen people, was in "apostasy", and teaching trinity doctrine, I was unaware, till July 16, when a friend shared a Judgment Hour video: "Established By Force", that started me on a "learning journey", I watch all that I can find, from "like minded believers"... am looking for a group to fellowship with...

[@getx1265]

Thank you.

[@letusgather...7820]

How do you multiply 3 different things together and get one thing? (1x1x1=1). Three distinct things cannot be multiplied together...they must be added. So father god plus son god plus spirit god equals 3 gods. The greatest commandment is that our God is one God. Not that our God is a multiplicity of three anythings.

[@rizall3061]

Echad in Hebrew shares the root “ahad” in Arabic seen in Surah 112: Qul hu-Allahu ahad. God is one; indivisible

[@chriscuomo9334]

I like surrah 3.54, 7.99 and 8.31

[@user-jj3zt9pf3w]

Great my friend, God is only one.

[@gbengoosewuru4139]

Sounds like what we LDS believe. I like it!!

[@robertkily3878]

God said I am only one God. You must not have any other Gods against my face First commandment. If you believe in only one God,you are saved. Almighty God wants you .

[@Europeangardens]

Put your TRUST INTO Jesus and INTO Him Alone with the weight of your existence, without holding anything back.

[@jordyn_shorts]

See that's the thing. Does the bible contradict itself? One second it says Jesus is only the son of God and the next it says before Abraham, I Am? This makes no sense to me. I don't want to leave Christianity, because i do believe in Jesus, but what is going on here? Do we worship Him or God. Maybe I need to go through a deconstruction process.

[@g.private9101]

when was this recorded?

[@Psalm-pu2jq]

I know it has been a while. Sid Hatch is now deceased. He came from the Trinity (was at Dallas Theological Seminary) to his One God belief.

[@carolelouday3196]

Those without the Torah will die without the Torah. Those with the Torah will be judged by the Torah. Torah is truth. If you were bought with a price then keep Yahuah's commandments and the testimony of Yahusha. I recently read somewhere online that both names, Yahuah and Yahusha, mean Yah saves. I do not know whether that is true or not. I am sharing the link. I subscribed to 21st Century Reformation today.

[@skwirl828]

If the Trinity states that God doesn’t have a body, then what happened to Christ’s resurrected body after he ascended to heaven?

[@leenieledejo6849]

Jesus is in his resurrected, glorified body, as the book of Revelation makes clear. Not sure what Trinitarians say about it. I do know that Jesus says "God is a spirit" in John 4:23-24

[@skwirl828]

@@leenieledejo6849 it says God IS spirit. not A spirit. very different in my opinion. God is spirit means he is spiritual.

[@chriscuomo9334]

@@skwirl828 BIG difference between spiritual (adjective) and spirit (noun) God is spirit means God is [a] spirit

[@charlesprice242]

My KJV says God is a spirit (John 4:24). But He is a spirit as we are spirits, also having a physical immortal body. After all, we were created in His image & His likeness (Genesis 1:26-27).

[@vawor4471]

He's seated at the right hand of the Father. See John 20:17 Jesus has a God

[@Ammyai]

I can answer that question about 1x1x1. It is very simple, we are not multiplying Gods.

[@brianguglielmin2873]

We have our relationships from God Almighty. God Interrelated in Father, Son and Spirit from All Eternity a Communion of Love and fellowship in His Own One Eternal Godhead and Roles in One as revealed from Creation to Redemption to the end of the world to eternity with the Lord.

[@TheBibleSays]

Here are Bible verses showing there are two: the Father, and Jesus: ■ "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." (John 14:23) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ■ "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." (John 1:1-3) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ■ "I and my Father are one." (John 10:30) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ■ "But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him." (1 Cor 8:6) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) ■ "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." (John 17:5) (The Father + Jesus = 2 . . . with no mention of the holy spirit as a third person.) Only the Father and Jesus are mentioned in the opening greetings of the epistles: ■ “To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ” (Paul, in Romans 1:7) ■ “Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Paul, in 1 Corinthians 1:3) ■ “Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.” (John, in 2 John 1:3) ■ "Grace be to you and peace from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Corinthians 1:2) ■ "Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ" (Galatians 1:3) ■ "Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Ephesians 1:2) ■ "Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philippians 1:2) ■ "To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ." (Colossians 1:2) ■ "Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ" (1 Thessalonians 1:1) ■ "Grace unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (2 Thessalonians 1:2) ■ "Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord." (1 Timothy 1:2) ■ "To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord" (2 Timothy 1:2) ■ "To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour" (Titus 1:4) ■ "Grace to you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ" (Philemon 1:3) ■ "Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord" (2 Peter 1:2) The only persons mentioned were the Father, and Jesus. Can we be honest enough to admit there is nothing to suggest a Trinity - three persons - in these greetings? There are many similar statements, mentioning only the Father and Jesus. Here are a few of them: ■ “Peace be to the brethren, and love with faith, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.” (Ephesians 6:23) ■ “Now God himself and our Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, direct our way unto you.” (1 Thessalonians 3:11) ■ “Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.” (2 Thessalonians 2:16,17) ■ “Let that therefore abide in you, which ye have heard from the beginning. If that which ye have heard from the beginning shall remain in you, ye also shall continue in the Son, and in the Father.” (1 John 2:24) ■ “That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.” (1 John 1:3) ■ “But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his” (Romans 8:9)

[@carolkenealy1587]

Thank you... I just posted this, on face book... I hope you don't mind...

[@TheBibleSays]

@@carolkenealy1587 No, I don't mind at all . . . thank you for doing that!

[@Iczerman-hl2zt]

If Christ is not equal with God, was the sacrifice adequate?

[@genagrauman3684]

Yes, because he gave his life to pay back what Adam lost. Adam was a perfect man, and Jesus was a perfect man. From my Bible reading, Jesus was God's first creation, hence the term, "only begotten", since all other things were created through him. That does not make Jesus God, but he was created as a spirit being. God transferred Jesus' life force into Mary's womb, and was born as a perfect human. He lived his life perfectly, until death. He was resurrected as a spirit being and is now sitting at the right hand of God Almighty, having been given all power and authority until after Satan and his minions are thrown into the lake of fire, which means the second death. At that time, Jesus gives the Kingdom back to God Almighty, since his job will have been completed.

[@Iczerman-hl2zt]

@@genagrauman3684 A created being becoming the atoning sacrifice for all created beings?

[@genagrauman3684]

@@Iczerman-hl2zt Yes. God's law was "eye for eye". Anything more than a perfect human would not have been "like for like".

[@Iczerman-hl2zt]

@@genagrauman3684 I disagree with your application of Moses instructions to a specific group of people on how they are to treat one another while wandering in the desert until the generation that witnessed magic in Egypt passed on. The atonement for the entire universe is a much bigger issue. As is the atonement for fallen angels.

[@genagrauman3684]

@@Iczerman-hl2zt The Law of Moses, given to him by the Almighty, was the Law God's people lived by until Jesus' sacrifice, not for the 40 years in the wilderness. Even Jesus lived by the Law, and did so perfectly. The fallen angels who followed Satan will be destroyed, along with their master. There is no forgiveness for them. Jesus died to atone for humankind's sin who are imperfect through no fault of their own. Adam, after he sinned, could only pass on sin and death to his children. That is why we needed the blood of Jesus to cover those sins.

[@hans.stein.]

Why does he confuse echad - one (Deuteronomy 6:4) with yachid? The first (!) occurence of the word is Genesis 2:24: wəhayu ləbassar echad - and they shall become one kin/flesh/body. Why is he obfuscating this? The Greek renders echad as heis/mia/hen, not as monos! 'I and the Father are one' is in reference to Deuteronomy 6:4, and Messiah goes even further to say: 'You shall be one', implying: with me and the Father as we are one. (Read John, from ch.14 to 17.)

[@hans.stein.]

He is right in saying of echad: 'Not a union of parts'. However, a union and unity of whole ones it is (as in Judges: kə'ish echad, like one man (they all)). It amazes me how after being wrong he got God and Messiah wrong again (by excluding the Son from the Father, as if we were in the position to hold him apart from his Father who has given him all and everything to be as the Father is to all. The important part is: There is no jealousy of God towards those whom he loves. That is why neither Avraham nor Moyses failed when they spoke to the Angel as to the One Who Is. Does that not make one think why God let the Angel (explicitly as stated in the letters) appear in The Name?)

[@dwashington1333]

who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped, Philippians:2:6 Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah: Deuteronomy:6:4 I like the 1901 American Standard Version, by using God's name Jehovah we can clearly see the oneness of God.

[@ewankerr3011]

: You mention Phil 2 :6. . What form do we exist in? In human form ? What does the Bible say about God? That he is a spirit ! So what form does God exist in ? In spirit form. In what form do the spirit sons of God exist in? In spirit form? The pre-existing Jesus can exist in this form without being God. But also notice the following verses: Jesus is exalted etc to - the glory of God the Father.

[@ewankerr3011]

Only 5 ?

[@AnHebrewChild]

Mat10:20 > But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. For it is not ye that speak, but **the Spirit of your Father** which speaketh in you. Mrk13:11 < But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but **the Holy Ghost.** and Luke 21:15, And it shall turn to you for a testimony. Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer: For **I** will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist. Mat28:19 > Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in **the name** of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen. And what is that _one name?_ Ask yourself?

[@yeshuagl6282]

There was no Trinity before Jesus came. The Trinity began to exist only after Christian insisted on the godhood of Jesus. If Jesus was only a divine person, there will be no need for Trinity.

[@jordyn_shorts]

See that's the thing. Does the bible contradict itself? One second it says Jesus is only the son of God and the next it says before Abraham, I Am? This makes no sense to me. I don't want to leave Christianity, because i do believe in Jesus, but what is going on here? Do we worship Him or God. Maybe I need to go through a deconstruction process.

[@lwmaynard5180]

A person who believes in the trinity is not a Christian ? That is a follower of Christ ? The trinity is a insulting lie inspired by Satan ? To mock JEHOVAH ! a mystery to disguise the real TRUTH ? And to hide the real name of the ALMIGHTY GOD YEHOVAH or JEHOVAH or a variation in your language ?

[@pawlygon929]

@@jordyn_shortsbefore Abraham was…”I am he” (ego aimi I believe is the words in Greek) - it can be translated as “I am” or “I am he” meaning he could’ve been referring to the fact that he is the messiah. In those exact verses it says Abraham “saw” his day and was glad. Abraham “saw” it in his mind by faith when he was told of the promise to come by God. He didn’t actually “see” Jesus. The pharisees always misinterpret the Messiah throughout scripture

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Juana, God said Let Us make... before Adam the first created man❤

[@smalltimer4370]

Yes, GOD was not alone in the beginning - though that is a long way from a triune god and doctrine however.

[@brianguglielmin2873]

@@smalltimer4370 You are so funny. Of course the Father, Son and Spirit is the One God. Go to bed and dream Truth! Amen.

[@smalltimer4370]

@@brianguglielmin2873 As there are no such words as 'the Father, Son and Spirit is the one GOD', found or written anywhere in scripture, such claims do not prove valuable toward the written truth however. That said, and should such a god and doctrine justify such claims, then we are assured such words would be plainly written in scripture, rather than having to rely on people's own words. Therefore, and as there are no such words written, and where Jesus Himself would not worship, teach or preach a triune god - the conclusions is, that the trinity is nothing more than a product of human corruption rather than the truth. PS, the fact that the most popular Bible passage used to justify a triune god has been proven to be fraudulent, only goes to show the desperation of the belief itself.

[@brianguglielmin2873]

@@smalltimer4370 Your words are no such words, just unbelieving jibberish. Repent and trust in the True God Jesus Christ. Romans 9:5 and Titus 2:13. You cuss alot but never share the scriptures.

[@smalltimer4370]

@@brianguglielmin2873 Here again, the Bible works against you - ie, you cite Jesus as the true GOD, whereas Jesus identified His own Father as 'the only' true GOD - John 17.3 That is what Satan does to those who follow his lies - he leaves them to carry his burden before the written truth of GOD.

[@whiteeaglecrossminix784]

Thank you for sharing, Sid. The Lord has taught me the correct way by which to teach the Holy Trinity/Divine Trinity which is as follows: Explaining the Divine Trinity in today's body of Christendom, by the widely accepted dogma of the Godhead consisting in three divine persons. I’ve been made mindful of the Gordian Knot, and the leviathan spoken of in Job, Psalms, and Isaiah 27:1 In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea. Selah As men, we have a tendency, natural tendency, to eat the flesh of one another's arm, by which we force our rationale of material appearances, back into Spiritual meanings, which is impossible, for the spiritual flows into the natural and not the reverse. The Lord's Holy Apostle Paul, now an Angel, made this known in 1 Corinthians 15:46, KJV. Jesus warned us when making judgements, Judge not to appearances of things, but judge ye righteous judgements. A lot of heretical dogmas have been factiously erected throughout the ages. In the book of Revelation, entirely a Spiritual writing, the Dragon is the mother of all heretical dogmas. In the hope of awakening all men to the many snaring dogmas in the world today, the Lord has made known and permitted me to share the following banquet of the New Jerusalem. *The particulars of the Divine Trinity are expounded on in Chapter; Unfathomable Wonderment, Holy Trinity Taught Correctly in Its Age. The Divine Person of God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ, though in essence is uncreate and indivisibly one, is distinguishably so in a Divine Trinity of Father (Yehovah; Hebrew and Jehovah; English - Creative Divine), Son (Incarnate human form born in time of Creative Divine), and Holy Spirit (Emanating radiance of goodwill from the Creative Divine’s union in ultimate’s (singularity) of His glorified Human, Christ Jesus our Lord and God). My friends this Divine Trinity is one as soul, body, and operation in man is one, and even more so, when one considers the Lord God is the very all in all by which we of the living are created in the image and likeness there in, from, and too. Thank you, Lord. P.S. Sid, for a thing to be there must be infinite and eternal All in All Holy Trinity. Sid for you even to speak Amen, requires a triune action. Selah

[@bobbycecere1037]

We already understand how you view your trinitarian concept, there's no need to repeat it here. The God of both the old and new Testament is very clearly not a Trinitarian God Like the Hindus or the Babylonians et cetera. In fact, His being a Monotheistic deity is what separated him from all of the other religions in the ancient world. The God of The Bible is definitely not a trinitarian deity.

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Absolutely revealed Triune God who said as One Lord, Let Us make man in Our Image. Genesis 1. Father is Lead Role in the One Godhead as Sender of Son and Spirit from Heaven in Action in Creation, speaking to the Prophets and in our Salvation and Redemption from sin, the New Covenant in Christs Blood.

[@bobbycecere1037]

@brianguglielmin2873 What does "make man in our image" even mean if you believe in the Trinity? If God's image is triune, how could man EVER be in his image?? Humans being created in his image is likely in relation to our emotional consciousness. We get our emotions from him.

[@leenieledejo6849]

Where is this copied and pasted from?? @whiteeaglecrossminix, it's YOU God is interested in, not what you have inherited or copied. Have the faith and courage to dig into God's Word yourself, relying only on the Holy Spirit as Jesus commands in John 14:26 & 16:13.

[@jawnatutorow]

​@@brianguglielmin2873God was speaking to Adam and Eve about making man in 'our image'. God made Adam and Eve, Adam and Eve carried on making men in their image.

[@dennismorales7265]

It is hard to understand that Jesus said my Father is greater than I? if he claims power second to God the Father what is he? He was already in the old testament... Trinity is Busted. Proverbs 30:4 Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? One cannot understand the Messiah of his divinity because the Father doesn't reveal it anyone but those he chose to reveal him. Matthew 11:27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

[@jordyn_shorts]

See that's the thing. Does the bible contradict itself? One second it says Jesus is only the son of God and the next it says before Abraham, I Am? This makes no sense to me. I don't want to leave Christianity, because i do believe in Jesus, but what is going on here? Do we worship Him or God. Maybe I need to go through a deconstruction process.

[@dennismorales7265]

@@jordyn_shorts The Bible only contradict itself when the person interprets it to be. The original King Bible has not only 66 books. they removed the other books and called them apocrypha. The book of Enoch and Jubilees talks about the Chosen one and The Son of God, which is in Jewish conception is divine. That;s why they want to crucify him for blasphemy being to them only a man but declares himself to be God. And the scriptures is clear no man have seen the Father but the Son. If he is only a mortal he cannot see God in heaven.

[@stephenbastasch7893]

I don't see why Philippians can't be a deliberate use of double meaning, i.e., Jesus is pre-existent but does not therefore grasp at divinity, by which refusal he becomes the new/second Adam - precisely because, unlike Edenic Adam, Jesus was not a grasper. Of course, Jesus could be "just" the new Adam, but if he's also the preexistent heavenly Son who emptied himself of divinity, then of course he does function as the perfected Adam. Both concepts can be seen to work together.

[@smalltimer4370]

When it comes to topics such as these, terminology and word definitions matter. In fact, we could as far as to say that the inherent quality of words and their intended meaning are pivotal in the conclusions that follow. One good example of this can be seen with the word; _'divinity',_ in-that it is never used or intended to mean _'equality'_ in scripture, or, that the term _'divine'_ relates to that which is; of GOD; godly, godlike, Holy, and so-on and so-forth. - and contrasting with equality, which is far more specific, in-that it calls for measure between subjects. In addition to this, it's also worth noting that the language in the passage in question, identifies the son as actively existing(past-tense), thereby making a contrast with regard to equality between GOD who is not being held(or reached for), and the Son of GOD, and who was not equal-to, while existing in said form. - hope this helps

[@stephenbastasch7893]

@@smalltimer4370 Good thoughts - thank you.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

​​​​@@smalltimer4370LOL 😂 NO, Jesus the Visible YHWH didn't hold onto his equality to the invisible YHWH: both persons of the Godhead R in Genesis 19:24 : but emptied himself of some of his Godley attributes to be found as a human and servant of YHWH God Most High . Jesus is both God and the Son of God: something only trinitarians can understand because we have the Spirit of YHWH ( Holy Spirit) that Unites the Father and the Son in a Oneness /Threeness being.

[@smalltimer4370]

@@davidjanbaz7728 Your comment raises goods points on the ongoing issue with the trinity doctrine - that is to say, that the belief is propped-up on made-up terms and definitions that are nowhere found in scripture - for example; _'Jesus the Visible YHWH'_ - is not a term, title of statement of GOD's written word and therefore a fabrication _'both persons of the Godhead'_ - is also not a term, title or statement found in GOD's written word either _'Jesus is both God and the Son of God'_ - is also not a term, title or statement found in GOD's written word as well And so, what's most revealing with the trinity, in-that it is not based-upon GOD's written word, but moreso, that it proves to be product of human imagination and lies. Which is subsequently compounded by the fact that there is not one single person in all of Bible history(Saint of Prophet), who is either worshipping, teaching or preaching a triune god - which would include, though not limited-to - the only begotten son of GOD Himself, of whom we all know worshipped in truth. And so the problem prove to be so painfully evident, that it is difficult to accommodate in good faith, and within even the most humble of discussions. And finally and on the topic of the Holy Spirit, it is most unfortunate that Christendom consist of claims to the Holy Spirit in defence of beliefs - and moreso, that it is obvious that this in-itself, does not constitute evidence for truth of GOD unfortunately...

[@user-rf9kh1nj2q]

I am a Muslim. You are 100% correct the Holy Spirit is the power of God. 90 verses of Bible says Jesus is not God or son of God. Gold bless you to open the mind of Christians.

[@davidjanbaz7728]

UR as ignorant as this guy in the video!

[@smalltimer4370]

As the Bible does not consist of 90 verses, and where the truth calls for the harmony of all of GOD's written scripture, the conclusion is that the Bible testifies to the fact that Jesus is/was and always will be the prophesied Messiah and Son of GOD. That being said, and so-long as someone cherry-picks Bible passages, either by highlighting those that cater to their view, while discounting or ignoring the passages that do not cater to their view - they consequently do not know the truth of matters. Having said all that, and when we set-aside all of the word games and various tactics used by people to deceive others, the conclusion provided to us from the Hebrew and Greek texts making-up what is now known as the Bible today, reveals that Jesus was in-fact the only begotten son of GOD and prophesied Messiah.

[@arthurwhite2582]

Jesus is not God but the quran is still not holy....you dont belive that God send Jesus to die for our sins as sacrifical lamb...mohhamed was evil men and was "prophet" of demons

[@user-yr3ty6je7g]

Most people will never come to see the truth of the bible. If you do accept Jesus for who He is then you will always be spiritually blind. God does not reveal the truth unless you come to him as a child and by simple faith then study and prayer to learn truth.

[@juruansinaga]

Three person but one God, its mean, one person not God yet.

[@RodMartinJr]

Lovely talk, but I disagree with him on the *_preexistance of Christ._* Throughout the Bible, we find clues to our spiritual nature, from Genesis 1.26 and 6.3, to John 3.6. We find more in Numbers 14.18 compared to Ezekiel 18.18-20. And we find even more when Christ disagrees with John the Baptist, telling his followers that John had become a stumbling block at not remembering who he really is and who Jesus is. And after John's execution, Jesus told his followers that Elijah had indeed come and they did with him whatever they wished. What exactly is the nature of our *_reincarnation?_* That remains unclear to me, but thousands of people have remembered past lives and have learned great lessons from them. And then Jesus told of his own reincarnation when he spoke with Nicodemus in John 3.13. 😎♥✝🇺🇸💯

[@vt2418]

Many church organizations are bound by the catholic trinity. There is no one God in 3. God, The Father, His Son Jesus and THEIR HOLY SPIRIT. The Holy Spirit is NOT a 3rd PERSON.

[@oete9259]

The holy spirit is both the power of God and his character, neither is the spirit of this world a person. Satan has a unholy spirit he presents suggestions to do things contrary to both the spirit of christ and of the heavenly father.

[@williamcheng2679]

If Jesus calls us brothers and we also are gods, how can the theory of Trinity even make any logical sense. Hebrews 2:11 Both the one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers. John 10:33-35 "We are not stoning you for any of these," replied the Jews, "but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God." Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods'? If he called them 'gods,' to whom the word of God came--and the Scripture cannot be broken--

[@aaddebruijn3355]

1TImothy 2,5 One mediator because: God finds man in Jesus and Man finds God in Jesus. That is Jesus' mediation. Jesus is the man, and also The first and the last, the beginning and the end, the Alpha and the omega, Rev.22

[@kerryweinholz1731]

Just listened to this again, and he says "God the Son" at 33:23 - a leftover from his Trinitarian days?

[@pawlygon929]

God’s son **

[@smalltimer4370]

He said; _'GOD's Son, the Lord Jesus Christ ...'_

[@brianguglielmin2873]

The Father is greater than Jesus is said by Jesus in Servant Role of Son of God sent from Father to earth. Not a greater God because the Father, Son and Spirit is One God in Nature, Harmony, Communion and Action.

[@architectbiza6117]

I was born in Trinity believers , but they don't even know What They believe. 2 simple answer for Trinitarian ..... 1. The word is not mentioned. 2. The doctrine is new. ( Jesus didn't lecture this course so their weren't any debate based on GOD number with Jewish people at all)

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

No one can see Gods face and live Exodus 33:20, Thousands saw Jesus face to face......... John walked side by side with Jesus, then said this.... 1 John 4:12 “No man hath seen God at any time.

[@SmalltimR]

That's a great observation, here's another; *_There will be no curse any more._*_ The throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants serve him. _*_4They will see his face,_*_ and his name will be on their foreheads_ - Rev 22.3-4 Guess who's face we will see upon the restoration of GOD's will? Case and point, it is not Jesus' face, it never was. And the reason for that is that the accountability of sin is not with Jesus, but very specifically, to the GOD and Father of Jesus Christ Himself.

[@jessevarela]

Colossians 1:15

[@Jeffmacaroni1542]

@@jessevarela John 17:3, Revelation 3:12

[@kerryweinholz1731]

Every one's journey out of Trinitarianism is so unique! (Disagree with his explanation of YACHID. YACHID means one in the sense of unique, only. ECHAD is the number one - a counting number; but YACHID isn't a numeral and simply means unique, the only one. We would explain Isaac as the YACHID son of Abraham and Sarah; Jethro's daughter was YACHID; and Jesus was the YACHID begotten son of God. Compoundness, complexity, collectiveness, etc. isn't to be found in the number but in the noun to which the number refers, e.g. one herd, two herds, one flock compared with one dog, two dogs - the former nouns of herd and flock are collective nouns, but the common noun of dog is one being, one entity.)

[@leenieledejo6849]

John 1:12-13? All the mentions of "sons of God"/"children of God" in 1st John? Jesus calling us "brothers and sisters" but always calling God "father"?

[@lizzard13666]

This is an amazing explanation, thanks for writing this!

[@joecaner]

1 x 1 x 1 = 1, and 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 x 1 = 1 so does that prove that it's actually the Holy Pentaty Father, the Son, the Holy Ghost, the Mother, and crazy Uncle Ernie

[@user-jj3zt9pf3w]

😊😊You go buy a car, you can take 3 cars and say 1×1×1=1

[@TRUTHINCHRIST-cw8ke]

GOD is A SPIRIT and HE IS HOLY, i believe GOD THE FATHER IS THE HOLY SPIRIT, not saying i have every nuke and cranny figured out but i do not believe in a trinity and GOD IS ONE.

[@Rocky-xx2zg]

The 'Trinity' never made sence to me. Illogical. Seems it was 'designed' to allow other 'stuff' to fit the narratives. JMO

[@RotPhalkun]

The 66 books are Trinitarian Bible. Jasher and others which the Bible reference to was excluded. The book of Jasher shattered the Trinity. No wonder it was excluded.

[@jawnatutorow]

When I read the 66 all the way through I didn't come out a trinitarian. I believe it is an outside influence that turns people to that belief....

[@tom..193]

you're a confused lost soul

[@davechristensen8299]

We are "marked on our foreheads" for the God we worship. In the Book of Revelation Jesus tells us that true believers will be marked with the Name of the Father. The predominating False God will not have a name, but will be known by a NUMBER. What could that be? Well.....in Hebrew numerology, the Number for Man is 6. A God who is three men will be, you guessed it: 666.

[@urdrwho1]

Ah --- the number. We now have ancient manuscripts that say 616 and 666, so which is it. Some of the ancients said Nero's name equated to 666 and he was the bad one.

[@davechristensen8299]

@@urdrwho1 There is a historic document where someone explains that 616 was a mistranslation. The number is actually 666. That has been put to rest. It is possible that 666 has multiple meanings. I have heard 3 or 4 explanations that equally make sense. Nero's name would make sense because he did so much to try and destroy Christianity. The Book of Revelation is actually about the destruction Jewish Christianity, the murder of Jewish Christians, and things that have already happened. Only the very end of the book is about current time. Nero killed Christians in the First Century when Christianity was a sect of Judaism. Christians met in the local Jewish synagogues, and most Christians were Jewish. Eventually a new form of Christianity spread among the Gentiles, which was a hybrid with Greek philosophy. John's student, Ignatius, saw this happening very early and recorded this as being the antichrist. In 325 Constantine laid the foundations for the Trinitarian Roman Catholic Church. The men at the Council of Nicea were all Gentiles. With the creation of the Trinity the non-Trinitarian Jewish Christians were burnt at the stake or banished. There have been new leaders murdering non-Trinitarian Christians ever since, even up to this century when they could get away with it. So, 666 is more than Nero. Nero was just the first in a long line of man killing the descendants of the original Christians who worshipped the One True God of the Hebrew Bible. Historically, people in branches of early Christianity who would not accept the Greco-Roman Doctrine of the Trinity were murdered. So, what would be the identifying mark of the people in the dominant institution who killed off the non-Trinitarians? Would they be marked with the number of their god, the Trinity? Is it a meaningless coincidence that the number of the Trinity just happens to be 666? I find it consistent that since Christianity was remade on Greek culture, that people continue turn to the Greeks to find answers for all the metaphors, when the Bible was written 100% by Jews, and rarely do scholars look to the Jews for answers. I don't expect anyone to care what 666 means in Hebrew numerology. That's OK. But for me, if Jesus didn't say it; I don't have to believe it. I have to ask anyone who claims to be a honest truth seeker: If you believe in a doctrine, if you believe a formula for God that is nowhere in the Bible, do you know where it came from? What is your justification for explaining why we needed the Roman Catholic Church to tell us who "god really is" 400 years after Jesus came and failed to do so? How do you justify that? If you are sealed with the Name of God, what is it? What is the meaning of God's Sacred Name? "Hallowed be Thy Name". Do you sanctify it?

[@johnmaxwell3165]

It shouldn't need to be proved!.Even the simplest person reading the Bible would never get the idea of a 'trinity!!.By the way the speaker is incorrect in saying that there are no reference works arguing against the trinity. trinity.Jehovahs Jehovahs Jehovahs Witnesses

[@ShellbieB]

I don’t believe that God is a trinity, but who did God say let us make man in our image?…. Colossians 1:13-17 KJV [13] Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: [14] In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: [15] Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: [16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: [17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Let us not lower Jesus to a counsel… he is the Only begotten Son of God. He is of God and has taken back his rightful place and now sits at the right hand of God having two natures… one of God and of man. He is the ladder that unites us back to the Father, the God of all! God has made all things through his precious Son. This has given him authority over all things in his Father’s name. God the Father is the God of Christ Jesus. Praise the Lord! God the Father is spirit, let us not lower him by making him one of three. He is the very power of Christ. Christ was the temple of the Father(by his spirit). He was in Jesus Christ., and by the spirit of Christ in us we can do all things. Colossians 1:27 KJV [27] To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory Romans 8:9-11 KJV [9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. [10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. [11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Philippians 4:13 KJV [13] I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. 2 Corinthians 13:5 KJV [5] Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates? 1 Corinthians 15:45-47 KJV [45] And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. [46] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. [47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

[@SevenThunders-si4ci]

Is it not apparent? God speaks to his only begotten Son. As recorded 'God created all things by Jesus Christ' Eph 3:9 ''God hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, by whom also he hath made the worlds.' Heb1:2 Christ 'Who is the image of the invisible God...for by him were all things created' Col 1:14-15

[@jawnatutorow]

God was speaking to Adam and Eve about making men in 'our image'. Read the creation account again. God says what He's going to do and then how He's going to do it.

[@ShellbieB]

@@jawnatutorow God was speaking to them before they were made?

[@jawnatutorow]

@@ShellbieB yes, just read the creation account again, He's announcing the plans and then He acts. Maybe not so much speaking to them but about them. He never speaks in plural form on any other day of creation just when He made man.... Who then continues to make mankind in their image.

[@peteherrera1502]

Someone tried to cast doubt on the title of God being shared by 3 individual members who are each God by saying that "1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." was added by man implying that 1 john 5:7 was not inspired by God; and to that the Lord shared through me. Why do you try and cast doubt on the written word of God. Either everything in it is truth or who knows what in it is true which means do not put your faith in God and His word. To cast doubt on God's word is to call God a liar. who said in 2 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation of things. And in 2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, and in Mat 12:37 For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.” And in Matthew 12:36 But I tell you that men will give an account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. It is also written those who are not spiritual will not believe and understand. 1 Cor 2:14 The person without the Holy Spirit in their lives does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God which is the Holy Spirit but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are Spiritually discerned only through the Holy Spirit. who reveals to us the meaning of God's word as we study it. The foundation for what we believe is based on the whole bible being the authoritative written world of God and what a person believes should be based on numerous scripture supporting what is said or shared and only a fool thinks that God would not protect His word over the years. Bible verses that reveal The 3 individual members who share the title of God who each are God and they are The Father, The Son of God who is Jesus Christ incarnate and the Holy Spirit and each individual member has a role to play in man's salvation. 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one in their belief which means they each believe in the same things and their love for everything is the same. The Father testified that Jesus was his Son in Mat 3:16 After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him, 17and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased.” And Jesus Christ who is the Son of God testified about the Holy Spirit who is another comforter. John 14:16-17 And I Jesus Christ will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17 Even the Spirit of truth; which is the Holy Spirit whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but those who have been born again; Baptism by immersion which is also being born again as per Acts 2:38 and John 3:3 know him; for he dwelleth with you, as your body is the temple for the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit shall be in you. It is also written in John 3:3 John 3:3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 1 Cor 6:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; and to believe otherwise is to call God a liar.

[@oete9259]

Not every translation is a true honest rendering,

[@octoberrose12]

Please look in a Study Bible and it will record what I John 5:7 Really says. It says the Spirit, the water and the blood! Now, why would the present day translators mislead us ? Well, that’s the question. The Holy Spirit is the power of God, which is exactly what Gabriel told Mary. And Jesus is the Son of God, our Savior and Brother, the Lamb of God.

[@oete9259]

These three are one is not in the earliest manuscripts,it was added long after the original manuscripts probably by an over zealous trinitarian thus the reason it is not considered authentic

[@oete9259]

@octoberrose12 yet in sense jesus and his father are one in their aims, hopes plans works etc

[@oete9259]

@octoberrose12 and regarding the spirit, the spirit (character disposition) of jesus is in harmony with God's spirit, jesus character is the closest disposition to the heavenly father's

[@donk1822]

A rudimentary understanding of God given math means that you cannot equally divide one into three equal parts. 0.3333333333333333333333% etc Father 0.3333333333333333333333% etc Son 0.3333333333333333333333% etc Holy Spirit = 0.9999999999999999999999% etc One component would have to be marginally greater or you have no complete being.

[@smalltimer4370]

Unfortunately and as it turns out, the trinity is not based-upon any known or valid logic whatsoever, as the belief implies that each person of the trinity is wholly, and fully god.

[@donk1822]

@@smalltimer4370 And since each part is fully God, eternal and immortal, it/he couldn't die if it/he wanted to. For our sin or any other reason. Notice how when discussing the Trinity we get very close to having to be careful about how we use pro-nouns ;).

[@smalltimer4370]

@@donk1822 Well that's where things tend to get ugly(the dying part), as trinitarians are left with yet another layer of logical nonsense, as Jesus is now fully man and fully GOD, to compensate for a belief that is so far removed from scripture, that it simply cannot stand to reason - and all because a group of degenerate men said so - taking note, that it was not Jesus, nor any Apostles who taught or commanded such things, but moreso, that such beliefs came into the picture no less than 350 years following Jesus' death and resurrection. That said, one would think that the lack of even one single mention of anyone worshipping such a god in all of Bible history would be enough, or that Jesus Himself would not worship, teach or preach of such a god at any point in His ministry - and yet, millions of would-be Christians today, will fight tooth-and-nail, to adhere to such beliefs, and even to the point of denying written scripture itself...

[@jessenone3708]

God told me in a dream to beleive the Trinity, and I said t o him in the dream that I would beleive it because he told me to but I don't beleive it because it makes no sense. so a year and a half later he gave me another dream with a definition of Trinity thyat makes sense to my brain and I have believed it ever since. in the second dream God said that god is in the from of Jesus in the form of the Father and in the form of the Holy Spirit. Since Jesus is in the from of god according to scrip[ture, thjen God is in the form of Jesus. ex. an egg is in the from of an O so an O is in the from of an egg.. voila of course I don't beleive the 3 person defl of trinity. that makes no senese

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Jesus is the Bread of Life come down from Heaven. He revealed He and the Father are One and He declared He is I AM. He is God the First and the Last the Beginning and the End. See John 1, Revelation 1 and 2, Isaiah 44:6. Our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Romans 9:5 and Titus 2:13. John 14-16 reveals Intercommunion of One Godhead Father, Son and Spirit.

[@rtoguidver3651]

Holy Spirit isn't a Spirit or Ghost - it's the Breath of God. Trinity isn't in the Word of God anywhere. Ephs 4: [5] One Lord, One Faith, One Baptism, [6] One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and “IN” you all.. ----------------"ONE" . Isaiah 45: [5] I am the LORD, and there is "NONE" else, there is "NO" God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: [ 6] That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is “None Beside Me”. I am the LORD, and there is None Else

[@urdrwho1]

I started a discussion of the Trinity on another bible study site. I am no longer a believer in the Trinity and it came after much study. Call me silly but when Yahweh / God says to have no other Gods before him; that he is a jealous God; that Jesus himself said don't worship me; Jesus told them, “When you pray, say: ‘Father, hallowed be Your name". I do not believe there is anyplace Jesus said to bow down and worship him. That entire triangle that people use to teach Trinity makes no biblical sense or logical sense. So I started the discussion on Trinity and eventually the moderator shut it down and said it was against the rule. I read the rules and yep - there will be no anti-Trinity discussions. Well now there's a good site for discussions.....not!!! So more of the same old same old big church control. Don't let the people know, pass the plate and keep quiet. The early church found themselves in a problem. They wanted to worship Jesus as a God but that would mean polytheism, non monotheism. So they needed to come up with a plan and it took a few centuries to do it but by around the 4th century they had it become doctrine. It reached the point that the most all of Origen's writings were burned, it was illegal (by the church) to teach his beliefs and he was declared a heretic and done long after his death. "Origen was an ex post facto heretic, anathematised by the second council of Constantinople in 553, some three centuries after his death." And you wonder why the pews are more empty each and every week. Perhaps there is some false teaching going on but you'll never hear it from pastors.

[@chriscuomo9334]

Jesus never said to not worship him He said to worship the Father but he didn’t say not to worship him. God (Father, YHWH) said to have no other gods *before* him but he didn’t say to have no other gods. YHWH made Jesus a god, Heb 1:8, and we are told to worship Jesus. Mat 2:11 baby J worshipped Mat 14:33 disciples worshipped J after J calmed storm Mat 28:9 resurrected J worshipped

[@jordyn_shorts]

See that's the thing. Does the bible contradict itself? One second it says Jesus is only the son of God and the next it says before Abraham, I Am? This makes no sense to me. I don't want to leave Christianity, because i do believe in Jesus, but what is going on here? Do we worship Him or God. Maybe I need to go through a deconstruction process.

[@chriscuomo9334]

​@@jordyn_shorts jesus said "before abraham was, I am" he didn't say WHAT he was. is he YHWH incarnate? he doesn't say. before Abraham was born, God knew a messiah would be needed. all things were made "by and through and for" the messiah. J was explaining to the jews that he is the messiah. "I AM [the messiah]" Jesus was made a god by God (Heb 1.8). one Bible verse may say that Jesus and the disciples ate cheeseburgers at the last supper. another may say they had sandwiches. do those verses "conflict" so as to undermine the entire story of the Bible? ever been to a criminal trial? have you ever *EVER* heard two witnesses say *exactly* the same things? "LOOK! They're making up their stories! notice how absolutely every single detail is exactly the same! These stories are made up!" is what you'd say if there were no 'contradictions' in the bible.

[@waynejarvis370]

For the life of me I cannot understand how anyone after reading the New Testament can think that Jesus is the Father. Jesus at times was criticized for claiming He was equal to the Father AND He also at times said the Father was greater than Him. It is about context and about Jesus being truly God and truly human. The Word was God and was with God and the Word tabernacled in flesh, incarnate. Jesus was eternally the Son of God according to the Holy Bible but Jesus who is the Son of God became known as Jesus once He took on human flesh. The Holy Spirit is NOT an it or just a thought or anything else or just power, He is God. Jesus Himself said I and the Father will send HIM, not it, not the power. You will recieve power when He comers, but He is in the Trinity of God. There is only one God, how hard is that to understand? Unitarians think one God takes on different modes such as power or the Lamb of God, yet choke on the truth that God manifest Himself in 3 persons. Well, you have to deceive the deceived to get an Amen that the Trinity of God is not true. Scriptures reveal the Trinity over and over, even in the Old Testament.

[@smalltimer4370]

What's be most interesting, is that rather our ongoing development with scripture, is not proving enlightening, but rather, it would appear to be driving a wedge between common sense and all-out disdain for the truth of GOD.

[@user-jj3zt9pf3w]

God give you 120 years life with happiness and joy. God is only one. He has no father or son. I 100% agree with you. Holy spirit is the power of God. Jesus pbuh had this power.

[@ronaldogaro3575]

1*1*1=1 see God is trinity So are you saying God is a multiplicity and not a unity? Because if you say multiplicity and not unity that's heresy.

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

1 asterisk 1 asterisk 1 = 1 ? That doesn't make any sense. Are you trying to say 1 + 0 + 0 = 1 ?

[@ronaldogaro3575]

@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod yes I'm being sarcastic.

[@ronaldogaro3575]

@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod oh also asterisk is a multiplication sign

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

@@ronaldogaro3575 x is the universal symbol for multiplication 🥸youre right about God being one person, the Father

[@ronaldogaro3575]

@@jesusisthechristthesonofgod sheesh mom!!! i couldn't find multiplication sign on my phone

[@brianguglielmin2873]

YES, God is Father, Son and Spirit as you can see from In the Beginning Father speaks through Son Word and Spirit is hovering over the deep. Made in God's Image Three active in One in God and we are spirit, soul and body in one. Whenever you see the Father act or speak, then so is the Son and Spirit always acting and Present. John 14-16 The Spirit lives in true believers in Divine Lord and Messiah. Jesus says We, as in One God come to live in you and lead your life and not leave you orphans after Christ rose again Back to Heaven. So what if a scripture or two refers to Christ as Man, it never ever takes away from tons of scripture revealing He is GodMan.

[@DonjohnsonBG]

So you really believe three active beings make One God is equal with three aspects in one person

[@randytaylor9897]

Please don't use Trinity. It causes confusion. Use this, for it is from the Bible: Godhead The term “Godhead " is found three times in the King James Version: Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, and Colossians 2:9. In each of the three verses, a slightly different Greek word is used, but the definition of each is the same: “deity” or “divine nature.” The word Godhead is used to refer to God’s essential nature. We’ll look at each of these passages and what they mean. In Acts 17, Paul is speaking on Mars Hill to the philosophers of Athens. As he argues against idolatry, Paul says, “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device” (Acts 17:29, KJV). Here, the word Godhead is the translation of the Greek word, a word used by the Greeks to denote “God” in general, with no reference to a particular deity. Paul, speaking to the Greeks, used the term about the only true God. In Romans 1, Paul makes the case that all humanity stands guilty before God. In verse 20, he says, “The invisible things of him from the world's creation are seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse” (KJV). Here, Godhead is theiotés. Paul’s argument is that all of creation virtually shouts the existence of God; we can “clearly” see God’s eternal power and His “Godhead” in what He has made. “The heavens declare the glory of God; / the skies proclaim the work of his hands” (Psalm 19:1). The natural world manifests God's divine nature. Colossians 2:9 is one of the most straightforward statements of the deity of Christ anywhere in the Bible: “In him [Christ] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.” The word for “Godhead” here is theotés. According to this verse, Jesus Christ is God Incarnate. He embodies all (“the fullness”) of God (translated as “the Deity” in the NIV). This truth aligns perfectly with Colossians 1:19, “God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him [Christ].” Because the Godhead dwells bodily in Christ, Jesus could rightly claim that He and the Father are “one” (John 10:30). Because the fullness of God’s divine essence is present in the Son of God, Jesus could say to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father” (John 14:9). In summary, the Godhead is the essence of the Divine Being; the Godhead is the only Deity. Jesus, the incarnate Godhead, entered our world and showed us exactly who God is: “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known” (John 1:18; cf. Hebrews 1:3).

[@smalltimer4370]

Contrary to popular belief, the term 'godhead' does not actually appear three times in scripture - in fact, it could be argued that the word doesn't exist at all, in-that it is a bi-product of translation and distortion of the written truth. That said, and assuming we do subject to the idea that the word exists in the Greek texts, then we would have to conceded that the word be one of three variants, and that the cited references cannot all be the same; *Col 2.9* - _'for in him all the fullness of the Deity dwells bodily'_ The Greek word _'theotés',_ otherwise translated; _'godhead',_ by certain English Bible translations, is defined in the Greek lexicons as; _'deity or godhead',_ and appears once(1), in all of Scripture *Romans 1.20* - _'for the invisible things of him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even his everlasting power and divinity, that they may be without excuse'_ In this passage, the word sometimes claimed as godhead by specific Bible translations is; _'theiotés', and is defined in the Greek Lexicon as; _'divinity, divine nature',_ and appears once(1), in all of the Greek texts *Acts 17.29* - _'being then the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold, or silver, or stone, engraved by art and design of man'_ In this passage, and for the word translated 'godhead' by select Bible translations is; _'theios',_ and is defined in the Lexicon to mean; _'divine; subst: the deity',_ and appears three(3) times in the Greek texts Therefore and with that being said, the prognosis is not good for the claim to godhead at all, as the word does not prove to be consistent, let-alone definitive in scripture, and moreso, where so many people today appear to hinge their own doctrine and belief upon a word that would otherwise prove unfounded and out-of-sorts with the remainder of scripture.

[@trumpershaveblinderson7470]

Godhead is absolutely no where in the Bible. Trinity is blasphemous Catholicism teachings. Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. (John 20:17)

[@octoberrose12]

Please look into the Greek, not KJV. It makes a difference.

[@davidelks8972]

I find it quite strange that many don't understand that this is the very thing that Jesus was condemned for. He claimed equality with God the Father.

[@hossenfeffer4115]

@ David Elks/ what part of , "My Father is greater than I" , makes you think that Jesus thought he was "equal" with the Father???... If you are supporting your belief that Jesus was "equal" to the Father with the verse about "my Father and I are one" , you are reading your belief INTO that Scripture...that "one" simply means one in purpose or goal!

[@ryanlapitan3948]

@@hossenfeffer4115 John 5:26, His equality with God is because He is begotten of the material of His Father, divine Son of God.

[@davidelks8972]

@@hossenfeffer4115 there are quite a few verses that speak of the deity of Christ. If one believes that Christ is something less than God, that person must admit that Christ is a created being, and has not always existed. If Christ is created this means all worshipers of Christ are idolaters and turned over to a reprobate according to Rom. 1:23-25.

[@johnlargie9245]

@David Elks Read John 5: 18 - 26; which explains why the Jews sought to kill Jesus and His relationship to the Father. Please read with the Spirit of God and not based on preconceived idea. I assure you you will be blessed

[@bobbycecere1037]

Actually no. That's what the Jews claimed he did. He didn't though.

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Christians have One God Father, Son and Spirit. There is your answer.

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

Christians have One God, the Father, who has a Son who was begotten by the Holy Spirit of the Father.

[@kalasatwater2224]

Yup the trinity makes no sense

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Bobby Cesare, the Truine God is One in Father, Son and Spirit. Your unbelief trying to change that is to your shame. God isnot at all like the mythical trinities that lost man composes and who fight among each other in bizarre, mythical fairytales. We in Christ, the Father and the Spirit know revelation of the One God Intercommunion, and Interpenetration and action and Love shown that we enter into recognize you are misled in tearing Son and Spirit from the Father in your gross, deceived misunderstanding of the revelation and yes you must ask the Father, Is Jesus your Ever Existent Son and likewise are you my Ever Existent Spirit. He will say yes. Only your obstinate disobedience will say no to God thinking you are smarter than Almighty God.

[@brianguglielmin2873]

Don Johnson, No i don't believe in three gods or beings. I see in truth that the Father, Son and Spirit is the One God and Supreme Being and is One Lord and Savior. When you see know the Father you know the Son and you know the Spirit. God is an Intercommunion of personalities in Perfect Union and Divine Majesty with Roles in respect to Creation action and Salvation manifest. That is hogwash and subtleties of the devil to attack the Triune God as Unification churches do.

[@davidortega357]

Matthew 28 19 was change by the Catholic church in second century original it was written go ye and teach all nations baptizing them in my NAME. EUSEBUIS and early church leader had copies in his library that had original manuscript it said in my NAME. But Satan knows how to deceived people he threw a monkey wrench for 2000 years everybody got confused with lies infant baptism subtranstantion of bread and wine false Gospel we all got to go back to Bible obey Acts 2 38 peter and 11'disciples were in agreement on the day of pentecost

[@rizall3061]

I don’t understand how Unitarians continue to accept Pauline doctrine. It’s clearly in opposition to the teachings of Jesus at the onset with the book of Acts.

[@MarvinHernandez-xb3cc]

What chapter or verse in the book of Act does it mentions the trinity, eternal generation, dual nature or same substance?

[@rizall3061]

@@MarvinHernandez-xb3cc it does not implement the formula of doctrine because that’s not really found as a statement in the New Testament. This really what I was referring to: Acts 9:15 But the Lord said to [Ananias], “Go, for [Paul] is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel. Vs Matthew 10:6 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. Here’s my logic: Paul’s letters compose a large bulk of church foundation. And he makes writes a philosophy of things which are not all consistent with what Jesus says (I.e. circumcision of the heart vs true circumcision). The letters of read analytically are meant to deconstruct the Jewish foundations of Jesus’ faith and appropriate it to appeal to a Hellenic audience. If you have no book of acts you would not know of the existence of Paul nor of his authority because Paul was not of the 12 disciples.

[@MarvinHernandez-xb3cc]

@@rizall3061 So if the trinity isn't in the Bible then why did you state Unitarian? Don't many Protestant believe in the letters of Paul?

[@jordyn_shorts]

See that's the thing. Does the bible contradict itself? One second it says Jesus is only the son of God and the next it says before Abraham, I Am? This makes no sense to me. I don't want to leave Christianity, because i do believe in Jesus, but what is going on here? Do we worship Him or God. Maybe I need to go through a deconstruction process. Also, what is Pauline doctrine?

[@ranospiteri5776]

These are the four passages where God speaks for Himself and uses plural pronouns: 1. "Then God [plural elohim] said, "Let Us [plural pronoun] make man in Our [plural pronoun] image, according to Our [plural pronoun] likeness" Genesis 1:26 2. "Then Yahweh God [plural elohim] said, "Behold, the man has become like one of Us [plural pronoun], knowing good and evil" Genesis 3:22 3. "Come, let Us [plural pronoun] go down and there confuse [plural form of balal] their language, so that they will not understand one another's speech." Genesis 11:7 4. "Then I heard the voice of the Lord [plural elohim], saying, "Whom shall I send, and who will go for Us [plural pronoun]?"" Isaiah 6:8

[@hossenfeffer4115]

@rano spiteri/any honest Hebrew speaker can explain that Elohim is NOT a "plural" term in Genesis...the Father was conversing with those with Him in the Heavens, namely His messengers!!!

[@titelcat]

You might find the work of Michael Heiser PhD on the Divine Council to be informative on this topic.

[@scionofliberty2967]

In all of those cases He was speaking to the members of His heavenly host - not to Himself

[@ewankerr3011]

: Then again, what about the thousands of times when God is called 'He'. Singular. If grammar means anything, God is singular.

[@chriscuomo9334]

@@titelcat you might find it helpful to just say what from Heiser’s thoughts are relevant here instead of referring everyone to just read a bunch of stuff. Maybe you just didn’t understand Heiser and don’t have any answers for yourself

[@Nomad58]

Jesus said he was Gods Son a billion times. Peter said it too. In fact that’s all anyone ever called him. Jesus said I will be seated at Gods right hand. Stephen said he saw God, and Jesus at his side. God has a Son. You know who else wants desperately for that to be untrue. Satan. Give that some thought

[@davidortega357]

Jesus meant to say the right hand means his in the power of God right hand of power not a lateral right God is a Spirit he dwells in Jesus Christ God the father theres no God the son nor God the holy ghost

[@Nomad58]

@@davidortega357 oh I see. You know what he meant to say. Lol

[@Nomad58]

Stephen also said. I see Jesus at Gods right hand. I suppose you are so wise you know what Stephen meant to say. If you don’t like what God ssys just tell him what he meant to say. Lol

[@jjmulvihill]

You don’t need to know Greek or Hebrew to understand that Jesus is God. John1 tells you so. Also, 1Tim3:16 (KJV) says that He is “God manifest in the flesh”. -As the preacher says,”God is one”. He totally ignores the deity of Christ. Sinful. Jesus gives the frame of the Trinity Mathew 28:19 “Father, Son, and Holy Ghost”. You can’t ignore it like this preacher.

[@smalltimer4370]

Follow Jesus not men - your proposed citation is bound in confusion - the word _'manifest',_ literally means _'revealed'_ - that is to say, that GOD was revealed in the flesh of Jesus Christ on earth - of which, very few people would ever deny, and in any Christian denomination. Having said that, there is no trinity in the Bible, never was and never will be - get a clue Jesus of whom _'we know',_ worshipped in truth, did not worship, teach or preach a triune god or doctrine And no amount of arguing is ever going to change that fact - follow Jesus not men - Jesus showed us how to worship in truth - and so, there are no excuses for pagan gods and teachings here - see; you alone, the only true GOD, etc, etc

[@KononR-gz4vo]

​​​​@@smalltimer4370 - But ... what do you say when Biblical Unitarians confess they "worship" Jesus too? If Jesus is a man and not God, then that would mean they worship a creature alongside God. And that would be idolatry - for only God should receive our worship and no other. Am I correct?

[@user-yr3ty6je7g]

You are entitled to YOUR OPINION. When you face the Judgement it will be God who will judge you and His name is Jesus.

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

God's name is Jehovah, Jesus is his Son. You've got them confused with each other maybe?

[@henrypioquinto8448]

There is no truth about trinity.

[@jordyn_shorts]

See that's the thing. Does the bible contradict itself? One second it says Jesus is only the son of God and the next it says before Abraham, I Am? This makes no sense to me. I don't want to leave Christianity, because i do believe in Jesus, but what is going on here? Do we worship Him or God. Maybe I need to go through a deconstruction process.

[@davidortega357]

Saul of Tarsus was a bounty hunter looking for those who believe in the new Jesus movement he was a pharisee they believe in one Lord God Almighty on his way to Damascus he got struck down by God he cried out who art thou lord the Voice said I Am. Jesus whom thou persecuted its hard to kick against the pricks Acts 9

[@follow_the_way]

Yes, Jesus is the true God distinct from the Father. Praise the triune God.

[@vt2418]

Show me in the Nible where it says triune god or trinity. NOWHERE.

[@follow_the_way]

@@vt2418 Are you looking to have a conversation with me about this, or are you just looking to spread false doctrine?

[@vt2418]

I wouldn't want to waste my time. You will learn the hard way. There is nowhere in the Bible that says anything abt trinity or triune. This is apostasy.

[@follow_the_way]

@vt2418 Sounds like what the typical false teachers say when confronted with truth.

[@follow_the_way]

@@vt2418 Yet you waste your time with unbiblical lies.

[@sulongenjop7436]

God the Father created his son in the womb of virgin Mary.....do you believe?😂

[@jesusisthechristthesonofgod]

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

[@thetruth871]

Some people claim to believe that Jesus was a “good prophet”, but they deny that Jesus is God. If that is you, I would like to encourage you to consider some of these Bible verses: Matthew 1:23 - “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.” Isaiah 9:6 - For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Isaiah 43:10,11 - “You are My witnesses,” says the Lord, “And My servant whom I have chosen, That you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, Nor shall there be after Me. I, even I, am the Lord, and besides Me there is no Savior.” Revelation 1:17-18; Revelation 2:8 - (Jesus is the First and the Last) Isaiah 44:6 - (God is the Redeemer) 2 Peter 1:1 (Jesus is the Redeemer) - “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ” Isaiah 44:24 - (God created the world by Himself alone) John 1:3; Colossians 1:16 - (Jesus made all things) John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made... 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, John 5:17,18 - “My Father has been working until now, and I have been working.” Therefore the Jews sought to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. John 5:23 - that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him. John 8:24 - “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for if you do not believe that I AM [He], you will die in your sins.” John 8:58 - Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.” John 10:30-33 - Jesus answered them, “I and My Father are one.” Then the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, “Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?” The Jews answered Him, saying, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.” John 14:6-7 - Jesus said to him, “I AM the way, the truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” John 14:9-11 - Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'?” John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!” Acts 4:12 - “Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 20:28 - (God purchased us with His own blood) Revelation 1:5-6; Revelation 5:8-9 - (Jesus' blood purchased us) Philippians 2:5-7 - Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond-servant, and coming in the likeness of men. Colossians 2:9 - For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily 1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ Hebrews 1:8-9 - But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” 2 John 1:7 - For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Revelation 1:8 - “I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Lord, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 22:13 - “I AM the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”... 22:16 - “I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things in the churches.” 1 Timothy 6:14-16 - “our Lord Jesus Christ's appearing, which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords, who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen.” Hebrews 2:17-18 - “Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For in that He Himself has suffered, being tempted, He is able to aid those who are tempted.” Hebrews 4:15-16 - “For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin. Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.” 1 Peter 2:24 - “who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we having died to sins, might live for righteousness - by whose stripes you were healed.” He went from sovereignty to shame and from deity to death? Why!? For you. John 15:13 - “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one's life for his friends.” Romans 5:8 - “But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.”

[@lizzard13666]

All of those verses are perfect for Unitary Monotheism! Thanks for collecting them! I highly recommend the Restitutio podcast episodes "417 One God 7: Jesus, God's Agent" and "418 One God 8: Jesus Called God?". The whole series is fantastic, but those two in particular help develop a Biblical understanding of this issue! Interestingly, many Unitarians are able to say "Jesus is elohim" WITHOUT subscribing to the doctrine of the Trinity! Which version were you using for your quotes? I couldn't help but notice that some of them were tweaked away from what the more literal translations say?

[@thetruth871]

@@lizzard13666 those scriptures that i have send you, they speak about Jesus in many diversity's, but i personally believe, and please quote me if Iam wrong. God is one? that's what the Bible says, the trinity is a bit of a mystery, but i really believe that God is one and only. And as we know he is a Spirit, so that makes Him, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And he took the form of a Human namely Jesus, so this is the only way to explain the Trinity. I know that in the Bible no were it mentions the Trinity, but to explain it, this must be the only answer, do you agree? God bless brother.

[@lizzard13666]

@@thetruth871 I don't know if I exactly agree with you, but I think I agree with a fair amount of what you said! I believe that Yahweh is one, but that Yahweh can "share His power/authority" by "dwelling in" the temple of our bodies, check out Numbers 11 for one such story. Jesus is the first who Yahweh fully in-dwelt, and Yahweh made Jesus King over all of creation, including us. We must have the "Spirit of Christ" in us to be raised from the dead ... I recently made a post about this topic, let me go find it and share it here, would love to hear your thoughts!!

[@lizzard13666]

@@thetruth871 Here's the post I made in a Christian group, based on some studies I'm doing for a theology talk: 2 Corinthians 6:16 (NASB95) Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said, “I WILL DWELL IN THEM AND WALK AMONG THEM; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE. God is going to dwell in us! Or does He dwell in us already? I personally think that the figure the Bible uses is that Christ dwells in us now, and in the next age God will dwell in us fully, here's a few passages to support: 1 Corinthians 15:28 (NASB95) When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself also will be subjected to the One who subjected all things to Him, so that God may be all in all. We all must be subjected to Jesus first ... SO THAT God can in "all IN all" once Jesus hands it all back to God! Romans 8:11 (NASB95) But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you. This passage lets us know that it's all the same Spirit, it's not like Jesus has his own perosnal Spirit, rather he is filled with the fullness of God's Spirit! John Thomas' view in Phanerosis was that ALL power/Spirit comes from the ONE source, Yahweh, and that Jesus is the first human to be fully in-dwelt by this Spirit! I think you have to read Romans 8 with 1 Cor 15 in mind or it can be a little confusing; Yahweh has given Jesus power and authority over creation for now, so I think this includes the Spirit dwelling in us, our connection to God. It's still God's Spirit, but Jesus has been made King. Colossians 2:9-10 (NASB95) 9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, 10 and in Him you have been made complete (full), and He is the head over all rule and authority; This verse further supports that God's Spirit has fully in-dwelt Jesus' body (it's almost as if Jesus TOLD us that his body was a temple ...), and that in Jesus we will be made full (complete) too! It also reiterates that Jesus has been made our "head" or King. The letter to the Ephesians really lays out this whole process in a pretty easy to understand way: Ephesians 1:3 (NASB95) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, It was the God of Jesus and of us that is the source of this blessing ... Ephesians 1:20 (NASB95) which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, The God of Jesus and of us raised Jesus from the dead and "seated him at His right hand" which means to make Jesus our King! Think like David was King on Yahweh's behalf, or Joseph was made Pharaoh's right-hand man ... Ephesians 1:22-23 (NASB95) 22 And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, 23 which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all. This passage repeats what we read in 1 Cor 15, but it relates it to being "part of the body" as we call it, which means to be baptised into Jesus! This theme continues throughout Ephesians, but I think this is one really powerful statement: Ephesians 3: 14 For this reason I bow my knees before the Father ... 16 that He would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit in the inner man, 17 so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; ... and to know the love of Christ which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled up to all the fullness of God. I've heavily abridged this section of Ephesians just so I can show the parts that apply to my point, but go read the full thing for yourself! The important take-away is the WE will be filled with the "fullness" of God as well, just like Jesus! In order to be filled with the fullness of God, we must first have the Spirit of Christ, and be part of the "body of Christ" which is the set of people who have turned to Jesus!

[@thetruth871]

@@lizzard13666 thanks I will much appreciate it

[@davidcrane6593]

So you believe the exact same thing as muslims and atheist believe..(you/they say Jesus is not God)...... think on that awhile...

[@smalltimer4370]

1. Athiest do not believe in any GOD whatsoever, let alone GOD's appointed saviour... 2. Muslims do not accept Jesus as the Christ and prophesied Messiah - here again, revealing the nature of your criticisms True followers of Christ reveal themselves by their fruits

[@follow_the_way]

He traded the truth of the Trinity for the lie of unitarianism. Sad.

[@smalltimer4370]

the trinity is nothing more than Satan's excrement - no truth there whatsoever

[@ranospiteri5776]

You can prove the trinity from the bible the number 3 appears 467 times in the Bible chick out the significant, conclusion (Trinity)

[@steverangel3284]

Your theology is why Orthodox Jews vehemently reject Christianity the polytheistic view the mystery of the that countless biblical scholars and theologians can't even explain thoroughly is why the Jewish monotheistic faith rejects Christianity it is a doctrine that is highly influenced by Greek alienistic concepts that have been around and paganism from the philosophical teachings of Plato Aristotle Socrates where Christianity the evidence of being influenced and adopting many of the ideologies pre-existed during the formation of this trinitarian man-made fabricated doctrine Christianity is considered heresy by most orthodox Jews

[@bla8545]

Your rational is mind boggling. It means nothing. The number "one'' is mentioned 1967 times. If it meant anything. Your point is way off base.

[@user-yr3ty6je7g]

The power of God cannot be grieved as the Holy Spirit as you say. ThebHoly Spirit is a oerson. You are religious but you deny the truth. You will be so shocked when you die.