Ion badger apparently. I don't know anyone that doesn't like Meshuggah. my 8 month old nephew even loves them.
@Lucols47 жыл бұрын
I don't usually care about bands that I dislike, but they bother me more than most for some reason.
@Necrotion77 жыл бұрын
my question indeed
@tokendave807 жыл бұрын
Yeah was scratching my head about the topic too.
@superstarthomas7 жыл бұрын
Meshuggah back then I wasn't really into because lost interest in a lot of Death and Progressive bands. I will say Meshuggah is one of the few I don't mind now a days and I'm liking more and more.
@N3ukenInD3K3uken7 жыл бұрын
1 reason and one reason only: you'll never outplay them :(
@jessyspring87677 жыл бұрын
skypjuh absafuckinloutely. Bleed is fucking wrist breaking.
@HappyMadness40007 жыл бұрын
Not just wrists.
@batman66ism7 жыл бұрын
good one i love them
@lilknownfacts92606 жыл бұрын
its actually not that wrist breakin as much as ankle/foot/leg breaking lol
@SolManDude6 жыл бұрын
i hate meshuggah cuz they will never come to my country D:
@kev024687 жыл бұрын
People who hate Meshuggah are people who haven't seen them live yet. They're one of the best live bands out there.
@WhatIsThis937377 жыл бұрын
Formshifter I live in Jamaica and will never see them live but I love them.
@BirdsElopeWithTheSun097 жыл бұрын
People who hate Meshuggah are gonna Bleed!
@slipknota7xeg7 жыл бұрын
Formshifter They are a hell of an experience live.
@seankav2k97 жыл бұрын
this is true. I dragged my friend to meshuggah in dublin the other day. He hates metal and only likes bands like tame impala. He was absolutely blown away by the gig
@fmainier7 жыл бұрын
so true
@akimbooR67 жыл бұрын
When you drop your sugar. "Oh no, MESHUGGAH"
@bryantmeadowsofficial28347 жыл бұрын
thejdog03 dude
@akimbooR67 жыл бұрын
dude
@Urine666Deity7 жыл бұрын
thejdog03 dude
@АндрейЯрош-н1г7 жыл бұрын
dude
@akimbooR67 жыл бұрын
dude
@EMMIR_KC7 жыл бұрын
As a drummer, Meshuggah's music is the only music that can always challenge me and make me improve my coordination and rhythm. Playing drums to other songs are fun, sure, but there's no thinking involved and they don't make me a better drummer.
@isaaczaladar11747 жыл бұрын
Dimensional Archive try ulcerate or car bomb those bands drummer are the most challenging you can get
@scottc8487 жыл бұрын
Dimensional Archive I agree, Meshuggah's drummer gives you a lot to work on!
@rbeforme7 жыл бұрын
Dimensional Archive You've obviously never tried playing very many things then lol
@shuvbhowmickbestin7 жыл бұрын
braindrill or suffocation is badass as well
@LukaS-yn4ir7 жыл бұрын
Hell. Yes. Im also a drummer and Messugah has really helped with coordination and rhythm, like you mentioned.
@Weedeater587 жыл бұрын
meshuggah is like a complicated math equation. its not for everyone, but you gotta appreciate the time and effort that goes into thier work.
@-47-7 жыл бұрын
Ryan M ckay It feels to me like half the songs are just the same one with different patterns (complex as they may be)
@Weedeater587 жыл бұрын
ThePyronator definitely in moderation. When I first got into them I was blown away by the off beat time signatures it's definitely lost it's luster for me over the years. But to me obzen was a masterpiece.
@theystoleitfromus7 жыл бұрын
For me, it's often the opposite - I like stuff of that sort because it's too complex for my brain to start transcribing in real-time, so (at least for the first couple of listens) it's easier to switch off my analytical tendencies and just enjoy it as music. (And then, of course, once you get to analysing this stuff, it tends to be a lot more interesting on that level too.)
@tokendave807 жыл бұрын
The best analogy I heard about this band!
@eddyguizonde4017 жыл бұрын
thank you! i never enjoyed meshuggah, but i've only got respect for them. they took rythm guitar to a whole new level, even if that means oddball time signatures and riffs that you can't easily get into first time listening. hell, i've got massive respect for most "complicated" metal even if i can't listen to prog metal. yeah, i'm a 4/4 pleb, sue me. i got into metal from hardcore punk, simple music pleases me. so if you like prog, great for you! not for me though.
@markchinguz44017 жыл бұрын
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@83MTHO6 жыл бұрын
Meshuggah and Lamb of God are 2 of my favorite metal bands
@Highrollinhunter3 жыл бұрын
I cant trust people who hate Meshuggah.
@Max_Payn32 жыл бұрын
Facts, me neither
@Boymentation19947 жыл бұрын
I don't know anyone who hates Meshuggah
@nonperson98257 жыл бұрын
i know some, its not gonna appeal to everyone. i dont think theres much middle ground you prolly gonna love them or hate them.
@maltsutty6 жыл бұрын
You do now
@sircampsalot25685 жыл бұрын
Because you killed them right?
@unqualifiedproductions12755 жыл бұрын
Discovering Meshuggah this late in their carreer is so eye opening to their influence in the metal scene. Their sound remains underground, heavy af, raw, and real.
@comradefreedom82757 жыл бұрын
I'm not deeply familiar with their music, but I like what I've heard.
@BirdsElopeWithTheSun097 жыл бұрын
"Nothing" is the best album to start with.
@comradefreedom82757 жыл бұрын
BirdsElopeWithTheSun I'll check it out.
@hydraglyphics7 жыл бұрын
Honestly I don't think there is a bad place to start with Meshuggah (except Contradictions Collapse). I started with obZen.
@comradefreedom82757 жыл бұрын
Lucas T The first song I've ever heard was Bleed.
@MFKR6967 жыл бұрын
+Lucas T I honestly think Chaosphere or I are the only albums out of their catalog that wouldn't be a good idea to start out with. My woman bought me Chaosphere for my 14th birthday (I'm 30 now,) and I still didn't get into them until 3 years later, when I heard Nothing and Catch-33. After those two I was hooked, but my favourite will always be ObZen.
@2facesofevil8353 жыл бұрын
People that don’t respect or like Meshuggah don’t know metal true metal. And I’m a die hard pantera fan. But Meshuggah is my favorite band now
@Max_Payn32 жыл бұрын
Pantera was pioneering in the same way Meshuggah has been and you can hear how dimebags playing influenced the guitarists of meshuggah. Dime really took that groove metal style to the next level and meshuggah did the same .
@channelname54774 жыл бұрын
"Djent" is a whole genre trying to sound like Meshuggah, and failed.
@oscarh54393 жыл бұрын
The only person besides Meshuggah that has made good Djent metal is Mick Gordon.
@xMagnificuSx7 жыл бұрын
It's pretty simple. If you don't love rhythm you most likely won't love meshuggah.
@laszlo.csige24 жыл бұрын
VERY true!
@gandalf-da-gray83477 жыл бұрын
They're soooo good thoughhhh
@arthurdaffos14907 жыл бұрын
Gandalf-DA-Gray they sound as loud as your staff hiting the bridge of khazad dum
@arthurdaffos14905 жыл бұрын
@John Jack pretty late huh
@OficialReinaldoCartagena7 жыл бұрын
Since their last album (the violent sleep of reason) which Is my personal favorite, I think is too futuristic for some people to deal. Meshuggah is a very visual band
@zanemccune87593 жыл бұрын
A lady once told me she didn't like Meshuggah because they're old.
@Max_Payn32 жыл бұрын
I mean that’s is objectively true but what the hell? To me they are cooler and newer sounding still than most young new bands
@khronscave7 жыл бұрын
I guess people just "expect" vocals to be melodic, in one way or another. Those same people just don't "get" that much / most of Meshuggah's music is meant / designed mainly from a RHYTHM standpoint. That, and most of the more "technical" side of music is, kinda by default, not "catchy", but is (or at least can be) deeply layered, and needs several listen-throughs to grow on you, and for you to "peel" away the layers and discover the intricacies...
@tictocbang74436 жыл бұрын
Never seen a better band live. And once the parts start sinking in, all you can do is shake your head in awe of its genius.
@andymcleod82767 жыл бұрын
Meshuggah vocals change every album, though on each album, the style is consistent. Which I expect due each album being a concept album. I also admire the timing of Jenkins in his delivery. However, I'm am too busy listening to the band to even give a shit about such a useless criticism. Most metal bands lack dynamics. They may have some diversity, range and niche, but they can get boring as well. Like, seriously, you listen to metal for the range of the vocals? Time and a place, I suppose. I for one love the screaming in Meshuggah. Primal, powerful and raw.
@megfigueroa64957 жыл бұрын
I didn't think you could hate MESHUGGAH 😐: 1) You're hearing hasn't expanded to full capacity. 2) You're too intimidated (Their dynamic,complex, creativity is too much for weenies to handle. Kinda like their use of big words) 3) You're diabetic (ba-dum...laame, sorry)
@loujrisautistic83797 жыл бұрын
I like corny jokes
@Henry14arsenal20076 жыл бұрын
Diabetic here, and id suicide for Meshuggah.
@shamitoson6 жыл бұрын
I'd like to really like them. I do for short spurts. But they should write some riffs instead of this boring lowest note chug in EVERY song on every album as of late. Do they have use of their fret hand? Or just the picking hand...
@Henry14arsenal20076 жыл бұрын
Youre obviously hearing things wrong if thats the conclusion you arrive at. Theres tons of fret play in their songs.
@Chromosome19197 жыл бұрын
Love this band from the first time I listened to it back in 2005 until now cuz they have the kind of sound that im looking for in metal! \m/
@beanward_xd5273 жыл бұрын
They probably just don't like juice
@smallshrimpin69393 жыл бұрын
It’s the truth
@Flugmorph7 жыл бұрын
love this bands music so fucking much
@bathtime7 жыл бұрын
Seeing them tonight!! Woohoo! They're amazing live so looking forward to it. I can understand why people don't like them and that's alright for them, I like them and that's alright for me. Who cares
I discovered Meshuggah around the time Obzen released. To this day I'm still blown away by them. I had to buy they're whole discography and still can't get enough.
@Okshake7 жыл бұрын
I'll have to admit the first time I listened to Meshuggah it was a little too overpowering but then I listened more and more and now they're a band I have to listen to everyday. I think people like to blindly judge a band before even listening to them I know some of my friends do then I'll just put on a song without telling them and they're like who's this? I'm like it's Meshuggah and leave it at that then, they start to like them.
@Charles-Anthony7 жыл бұрын
Hey CKN, a bit off topic, but do you have any videos about the sub-genre Suicidal-Depressive Black Metal? It's a great sub-genre but I don't remember you covering it. Check out the band *Dreariness*, the album My Mind is Too Weak to Forget. Also check out: band: Uaral, song: Depression. band: Nocturnal Depression, song: Nostalgia band: Cheerful Depression, song: Sleep Forever band: Sadness, album: Close band: Commit Suicide, album: How it Hurts to Smile band: Coldworld, albums: Melancholie; The Stars are Dead Now.
@vayichrah7 жыл бұрын
Jens Kidman was a pretty decent James Hetfield impersonator back in the day. Tbh, Contradictions Collapse is probably my favorite Meshuggah album I've heard.
@MK-oz2lf7 жыл бұрын
I liked his vocal style back then better than now actually lol (1993 -2001) but I love all their LPs
@lyndenbeardwood21027 жыл бұрын
Most people tell me either the album Nothing or Obzen got them into the band. I got into Meshuggah the least common way. I picked up Contradictions Collapse in a used music shop and loved the album and how thrashy it felt. It really threw me off when I picked up their other albums and saw how much they changed and it took me a while to really get into their sound but man am I glad that I gave them a chance. When people tell me they don't want to get into them because they are connected with Djent music I tell them to listen to their earlier stuff and experience the change and progression they went through. I've found it really helps me appreciate the music they make today knowing that this band is constantly evolving.
@Friartuck1025 жыл бұрын
One does not just simply hear "bleed" and say "meh"...Meshuggah created an entire genre, and are anger and rage expressed as sound. Oh and Tomas Haake...
@jordandavies177 жыл бұрын
People hate Meshuggah? This is news to me 😂
@MeshuggahFan-iy6tb7 жыл бұрын
Fucking right??
@levivanderraad14537 жыл бұрын
their loud and abrassive. that's half of what makes them awsome. their musical take on metal is unique and inspiring to me.
@2facesofevil8356 жыл бұрын
If you don’t like meshuggah you don’t know music period!!!!
@kambion7 жыл бұрын
I don't think people like how reductive they are with their guitars... but dude... I love this band.
@GeneralWarburg7 жыл бұрын
I love Meshuggah, I just don't like how half of all upcoming "prog metal" bands can't think of anything more interesting than djent.
@devingilbert23837 жыл бұрын
Seen live in Toronto twice. right before they walked out, Def Lepards Pour some sugar on me came on and we all sang pour some shuggah on me. but yeah, I agree with most of your points.
@fromtheh31587 жыл бұрын
I know you were joking coverkill, but a deaf person could still enjoy meshuggah if they were at a concert. You feel every thump in your abdomen when they play.
@skeletorx85297 жыл бұрын
I've been listening to Meshuggah for 20 years, but a lot of the time i've I'm not in the mood I can only take a few songs at a time. Also it takes a while for me to understand the structure of their songs if I haven't heard it before. The drummer is very talented. It does seem like a new genre of music.
@JohnClutch14 жыл бұрын
The title of the video should be 5 Reasons Why Certain Nobodies Hate Meshuggah.
@grahamtregunnagt3 жыл бұрын
I am 61 and have a huge range of musical tastes, old school rock, MOR, country, rap , southern rock and even zydeco, Meshuggah are simply amazing
@AshGaming-zz4yq2 жыл бұрын
Meshuggah isn't for weak minded people
@Max_Payn32 жыл бұрын
Facts . If you don’t like them it’s just because you don’t understand or won’t allow yourself to understand what’s really happening.
@yumadapaka4 жыл бұрын
I takes time to understand meshuggah. It took me years, and now they are my favorite heavy band.
@zerocool65837 жыл бұрын
+ you know coverkillernation, I actually haven't heard of them to be honest. Looks like i learned something new today> Thanks!
@7strSlnger6787 жыл бұрын
The only issue that I have EVER had with Meshuggah (I've been a fan since the NONE EP) is they are hit and miss with what I refer to as their strengths in their songwriting. Which is the ambient stuff that they do in Destroy Erase Improve and the hooky riffs from albums like Obzen and Nothing. I love hearing this stuff interspersed within their poly-rhythm brutality
@killianodwyer65073 жыл бұрын
People who hate anything need to spend their energy doing something useful.
@theriffnotebook84127 жыл бұрын
Now that you've done 5 reasons why people hate djent and now 5 reason why people hate the band that started djent, maybe it'd be a good time to cover some of the actual "djent" bands such as Periphery or TesseracT (even though TesseracT has only ever used djent on like less than a third of their songs). TesseracT is my favorite band so it'd mean a lot if you'd dissect some of the common reasons why people bash them as well as people like me for liking them.
@coverkillernation7 жыл бұрын
+The Riff Notebook they will probably be tackled in this season. 1 of em at the very least. So stay tuned. We're only just getting started.
@theriffnotebook84127 жыл бұрын
coverkillernation Thanks man! Hey another question: will you be offended if I start my own series on my channel ranking a bands chronology of albums in order of my personal favorites? I know other people have done it, but you're the only big channel that does it (besides Loudwire on their website I guess).
@MFKR6967 жыл бұрын
+The Riff Notebook I honestly wouldn't mind Periphery's new stuff if it wasn't for the emo-kid vocs that Spencer does. I actually really like the instrumental version of their first album, but honestly, they need to release instrumental versions of the rest of their albums. Spence is just not cutting it. He sounds like he should be singing for Alexisonfire or The Used lol (sorry.. Those are the only emo bands I know the names of, and thank God for that.) Periphery's riffs are amazing, but the vocals.... not so much....
@theriffnotebook84127 жыл бұрын
INF1D3L010 I've personally always enjoyed his vocals. He definitely has a high voice but I think of it as more of a James LaBrie kind of high voice rather than emo(I despise emo bands as well). Also his growls, especially on Periphery II, are incredible. His voice is definitely the most common reason I see people dislike Periphery. Oh well, I'm there for Misha's catalog of guitar porn anyway so...
@resist15817 жыл бұрын
Spencer is one of the best vocalists in metal. Youre just not used to someone who can actually sing. Emo? Really? Listen to Hell Below and tell me he sounds emo. Hes immensely talented and hes gotten better each album. Just because hes not growling to death every song doesnt make him emo. Hes got a great range and has continued to use his voice to the best of his ability. Listen to songs like Flatline and Remain Indoors off their latest album. The riffs are fantastic but if you think Spencer isnt one of the highlights you are mistaken. He shines on P3 and more than likely on what i guess will be P4
@drumkidstu6 жыл бұрын
the thing that makes Meshuggah great is the fact that they approach a song from the rhythmical side of things first. A completely different approach than a large amount of music first. Also their lead guitar player is a freakin animal and improvises a good chunk of his solos. If you (like me) are a jazz musician who greatly appreciates this band do yourself a favor and check out Dan Weiss's metal jazz quintet. It's right up this same style of playing.
@kingbrutusxxvi6 жыл бұрын
As a longtime (30+ years) studio/session player I CAN'T hear "disjointed" rhythms in their music but I get how people with average musical taste (country fans, pop fans, etc.) hate it. I remember the first time I heard Metallica. I was living in England and heavy metal was bands like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and Saxon. This guy moves over from America and plays me the just-released "Fight Fire with Fire" single and all I heard was noise. I couldn't even wrap my head around why people would listen to it. Three months later I couldn't stop playing the record (yes, the vinyl LP). I love Meshuggah, in part, because of the incredible playing, the use of odd time signatures, the industrial sounds and the like. I also love that there is something experimental and unexpected in their playing. In a cookie-cutter world of plastic celebrity "musicians" we should all be VERY grateful for bands like Meshuggah who push the boundaries of what music can be. Just my two pennies.
@eyeless98824 жыл бұрын
I’d say meshuga is probably hated a lot because they’re like pure power and chaos. Personally that’s my favorite music in a nutshell but it isn’t for everyone
@kevinwiesneski64227 жыл бұрын
2017 disclaimer addition to this series? Looks like it's a take no prisoners approach to video making. Good for you. Love this new side and new ratings system. Looking forward to more videos.
@Ledjent7 жыл бұрын
Another, 6th reason is that people are saying all their songs sounds the same... I completely don't understand that statement. If you go to compare most of the modern metal / djent songs they really sounds the same. The similar technical riffs, tapping, open chords, scales, key signatures, synths, bass drops and structures of the song: Screaming in the intro, verse, clean chorus, more screaming, breakdown, clean chorus done. Even older more classic bands like Cannibal Corpse that I really respect and still enjoy - the same system, lyrics about fucking corpses, slow intro, blast beats, tempo change, blast beats, slower thrashy blast beat, triplet ride driven beat, solo, blast beat the end. I am not saying this thing is bad it was cool if few bands were doing that, but not Majority. Literally whenever Spencer from Periphery sings about 'misery' for the 100th time, every time in a different song (I really like Periphery anyway), Meshuggah creates a special atmosphere for each of their songs. The lyrics are always completely different, telling a story every time about something different as well. Each song has a different structure, the riffs and the rhythms are based around a specific idea that is always evolving throughout the composition. And again the rhythms, poly-meters that they're creating are so intelligent, they're not made only to be complex, but they're very cleverly put together and never random (excluding I, which was purposely generated from Haake's jams). By saying that Meshuggah's music is deep and you have to really understand their music in order to fully enjoy the experience is not cheesy in that case at all. People who are saying all the songs sounds the same clearly do not understand what they're listening to. There are also a lot of bands out there that changed their style for bad throughout the years, and I said they "changed" their style, but meshuggah "evolved" and they're still evolving, by introducing something new in every album, and keeping the same "Shuggah level" at the same time. It's not like Jens started to singing and Fredrik started to play Pentatonic scales during solos and using wah (buehe), they're keeping their style that they created and that's beautiful. There's literally no other bands like Meshuggah, and I am not saying that, and spending 15 minutes on a fucking stupid youtube comment, because I'm some kind of random fanboy. I am their fan, because of what they've created. I truly admire their work and I personally love The Violent Sleep Of Reason, it's one of their best albums, and definitely one of the best album in Metal music.
@Breacher4567 жыл бұрын
About point number four, about the vocals being boring, I can see why that's the case. The first song I ever heard of Meshuggah's was Nostrum, and I first thought the vocals were boring because I couldn't understand them or their sound. It sounded very monotonous to me when I first heard it, but I guess that's where the power of Jens vocals lie. However, my mind changed with Bleed and New Millennium Cyanide Christ. Those are some brilliant songs. So I guess, it takes some time to get used to them. Best way to get into them is to see covers done by others, that way they can present the song in a new way, hopefully to your liking.
@TheBoomBoxGuru7 жыл бұрын
I have to admit that I was #5 for a little bit, but after hearing their new album I finally got it and now I'm interested in digging into Meshuggah's discography more.
@franzsperginand1135 жыл бұрын
As far as I'm concerned, the only legitimate criticisms that can be levied against ANY musical endeavor is: 1. Blatant thievery 2. The sound just doesn't do it for the listener. Snobs can get bent and I think Meshuggah is fucking unbelievably good. Sometimes I catch myself engaged in snobbery and I have to kick my own ass for being an arrogant prick.
@cdrumz7 жыл бұрын
I'm a Latino drummer from LA who grew up listening to everything from fusion at home and gospel in church to hip hop and everything else (especially hip hop) ... I got into Meshuggah at 14 years old when they had just released Catch 33 and I got into Chaosphere of course and every other album quickly... point being I never really gave a fuck about who else didn't like Meshuggah and who didn't understand my reasons for liking them. They groove heavy af.
@Anaximander29A7 жыл бұрын
Meshuggah's music is combination of extremly heavy shoutings and mind-bending complexity. And they really don't have easy hooks to follow along etc. You definitely need a deeper understanding of groove/rhythm, at least you must be able to feel it, because the music is mainly based on this. At the top of that you need a huge tolerance and sympathy for extreme heaviness. I love Meshuggah, but it is obviously the opposite of easy listening and I can totally understand why people dislike them. It's apparently not made for everyone.... and that is definitely a pro, not a con!
@ThePuertoricanBeastJonathan7 жыл бұрын
I missed this series, every know and again I check out the comment section in the slayer video
@kvltovfreki60207 жыл бұрын
HOW CAN YOU HATE SLLAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEERRRRRRRRR!!!!!111!!!!1ONEWUN!1
@ThePuertoricanBeastJonathan7 жыл бұрын
I dont hate slayer, I just like to see bitches cry about how slayer is the greatest band ever
@kvltovfreki60207 жыл бұрын
Oh I know, was just pretending to be one of those thin skinned imbeciles who can't understand differences of opinion or the point of this series.
@dr.weavile61657 жыл бұрын
Same
@xavierlemaire44434 жыл бұрын
The very first time I heard meshuggah I was 15. I new it was some high level shit. I wasn't just ready for polyrithm and I knew it as well... But maybe I should have gone into obzen instead of chaosphere...
@Max_Payn32 жыл бұрын
Same here I wasn’t quite ready , but I loved bleed immediately, took into my 20s and playing guitar for a while to start appreciating it
@mvunit37 жыл бұрын
As a Progger AND a Metalhead, and have been into music since I was a kid in the early 60's . . . I've heard soo many different musics, some I discarded, some I look back and have kept in me with reverence. I have seen/heard musics invented, various musics progress and turn into new genres. Came to learn various musical terms and experience those techniques that I had no idea what they were, and then came to understand, even though I wouldn't call myself a musician by any means, I have played guitar (improvisational), but come to understand what it takes to learn ANY instrument and the different degrees in which to play them, and engineer/record. Those that write/compose and perform, but especially those that step out of the conventional box. From the simple, melodic, complex, epic, prolific and profound. When I 1st heard Meshuggah (and MANY other fusion/"math metal" and progressive bands before and after them in 1995), and learned that most of their music was in 4/4, and then came to learn what that meant - what struck me like a jackhammer is what they created "WITHIN that 4/4" that made them astounding. One of the 1st negative reviews compared them to nothing more than a "Pantera Clone" . . . apparently that reviewer had tin ears, made a quick review of an album that he must have fast forwarded through, and didn't give his ears time to absorb the music. But as an uneducated man, albeit a collector of Metal, Prog, Soundtrack Scores, AOR, Classical, Shredders, Classic and Contemporary Vocalists, Jazz/Fusion, and later Avant-Garde/RIO music - when I heard the 1st 2 minutes of the album "Destroy Erase Improve", I was done, hook line and sinker, I became a Meshuggahner for life. But when Fredrik Thordendal came in with the solos, it was like "Allan Holdsworth (rest in peace)" entered to let the brutality breathe for a moment, and Haake easing up on the drums, yet playing much like Holdsworth's counterpart "Gary Husband" (btw - both and many others, are mentioned in the DEI credits as "Sources of Inspiration"). These guys were by far "Different", like Opeth was for me when I 1st heard "Still Life", or Watchtower, Mekong Delta, (later) Death, Cacophony, Cynic, Fates Warning, Forbidden, Powermad, Thought Industry, Believer, Extol, Sabbat (UK), Realm, Spiral Architect, Psychotic Waltz and MANY MANY others that were breaking rules and challenging themselves and the listener. Yet Meshuggah kept that 4/4 groove to violently headbang to. But they thought and played on another level, but were unique, as all those bands I have mentioned, each taking Metal to their own place and ideas. These bands are not for everyone, or they would be played on Top 40 radio, and why the hell would I want that? They will not be understood by MANY, but they appeal to "Blacksheeps" like me, who can actually take the time to listen and understand. The critics and trolls can say what they want, but for those that hear the soul, the timing and the melodies through the controlled chaos, WE have something special. It may be exclusive music, but its for ANYONE that is looking for something different and not the ordinary. Bang On folks to a different rhythm \m/
@holygroove23 жыл бұрын
If you can count to 4, you will see why their music is so great. The 1st 2 or 3 albums utilized changing time signatures, but from Chaosphere on, the game was about 4/4 all day. It's not a new idea in music, but their approach sure as hell is new. Oh ya, Earth Wind and Fire is the first influence on the Destroy Erase Improve album. Deal with it.
@TwoToeTags7 жыл бұрын
We are currently reviewing obZen on our channel. I have never really listened to Meshuggah before other than 1 or 2 of their singles but their sound never grabbed me and pulled me in. Since our First Impressions video I have had this album on loop/repeat, not because I love it but because that is our method of reviewing. Upon listening to it and trying to soak it in I find that there are two main things that make me think this band is vastly overrated. #1 is indeed the vocals. Jens sings at the same pitch, same volume, and same tone throughout pretty much every single song except for the last track. Each word and each phrase is almost exactly the same length and the same spacing apart. The only thing that really changes is the key he sings in from time to time but the fluctuation in key shift is so subtle it almost doesn't even matter. No one is asking for Katy Perry high notes but some pitch change once in a while could go a long way to prevent each song from sounding like a monotonous repeat of the previous track. #2 is the odd/random time signatures. This is the one people argue about the most because its black and white. Either you can appreciate odd time signatures or you cant. For example Tvfish is all over the odd time changes this band writes because he studies music so he knows the ins and outs and the technicality that goes into the songs. Me on the other hand am more familiar and far more comfortable with the standard 4/4 and its not that I don't get the odd timing of bands like Meshuggah and its not that I don't know how much talent goes into performing songs that are so bizarre in structure.. my issue is that the songs no longer have a rhythm that is enjoyable to move to.In other words as technically impressive as they might be, odd time changing in music just does not sound good! I think people who like that kind of stuff are merely liking it because of the technical aspect behind it and they're ignoring how most people react to rhythm which is a steady and consistently timed beat, much like a heartbeat or a train driving along the tracks. Once you start playing around with it, our natural senses of how we react to rhythm is thrown out the window and it makes enjoying it that much more difficult. But those are just my current thoughts. I still have 4 or 5 more days of listening to obZen before I draw my final conclusions and we record our Final Review of the album. - Vile
@drumkidstu5 жыл бұрын
The beauty of meshuggah is that they disguise the steady 4/4 pulse even though it is actually happening the entire time. To me it actually makes it groove harder if you know where to find it. Listening to them is a gradually rewarding experience. Jens vocals are meant to be like that. He is 1/5 of the rhythmic instrument that is meshuggah. Also their lead guitarist Fredrik Thordendal improvises all of his guitar solos so they are different every time adding to the chaotic nature of the music.
@Summerstorm20227 жыл бұрын
I love their cluster fuck chaos! Loud. After a while you remember every twist and turn of the song and it just comes to life. It's just uncanny how they're magic is so different from your average metal band.
@musiclovingmetalhead70857 жыл бұрын
my first time viewing your channel. excellent work and funny. thanx. gonna go subscribe now. :-)
@duttaroywritabroto7 жыл бұрын
@coverkillernation totally agree with you man , I like them because of their odd counts,mechanical sound,heavy riffs, extreme drumming
@danielbrooks40387 жыл бұрын
Meshuggah are truly dynamic and intense \mm/, their drive to push everything they do to the next level - keeps musicians sharp! People who find Meshuggah's work complicated should check out Blotted Science, Vader, or even Sanctuary! STAY HEAVY and LOUD
@tillsommerdrums7 жыл бұрын
Easy way to prove meshuggah is a good band: I know a bassist who is in his 40 and spend his early years mostly listening to Dream Theater. He then grew tired of it because the complexity didn't appeal to him anymore and now he is a big funk, jazz and blues lover. Then he went to a festival (don't know which one) and happened to see Meshuggah there. He had never heard of them and I thought the sound was way to heavy for him. But they did such a great performance that a funky bluesy jazz lover started to headbang and then bought The Violent Sleep Of Reason. For me this shows the real quality of Meshuggah
@atlascollective30005 жыл бұрын
So the first reason is because they’re not musically competent enough to understand the genius of Meshuggah.
@globalsystemsinc93017 жыл бұрын
I have been a metal/jazz/ and classical guitarist for many years (over 30) - even went to berklee college of music. I just discovered M only a few months ago. I think they are great.
@airanwater01 Жыл бұрын
I can think of 50 reasons why I do like them
@derekshowalter606 жыл бұрын
Random question... what was the first background song he had in the video?
@metfan4l7 жыл бұрын
I also like Meshuggah but I would agree that the vocals are not the strongest aspect of their music. They're definitely a little one dimensional if you compare them to what a Christian Älvestam or a Björn Strid can do.
@AMaskOfGreen7 жыл бұрын
Chaosphere is one of my favorite albums
@isaaczaladar11747 жыл бұрын
AMask ofGreen insanely complex legendary album
@abdullaalmarri45627 жыл бұрын
concert tomorrow , I CANT FUCKING WAIT !!!
@darkdudironaji7 жыл бұрын
I don't like Meshugga because I don't like harsh vocals. But without them, no AAL. So I'm glad they're around.
@khronscave7 жыл бұрын
Actually, Meshuggah's one of the very few bands with "extreme" vocals that i tolerate (if not even like).
@Mr-Divine7 жыл бұрын
darkdudironaji actually one of tosins fav bands growing up was greenday
@darkdudironaji7 жыл бұрын
turboneon414 That's nice. But Tosin said he has the 8 string because of Messhuga.
@khronscave7 жыл бұрын
Also, if you'll read the title (more carefully), you'll notice you dropped the "h" at the end... On a semi-related note, it's always lovely when great bands / artists don't take themselves too seriously. Devin Townsend's a great example - "While we all have lots of bands who influence still…we all rip off Meshuggah!", a line from his song Planet Of The Apes :P
@darkdudironaji7 жыл бұрын
KhronX I watch everything on my phone, so I can't see the title when I comment. So no spell checking for me. lol You'd probably like Steel Panther. lol
@Beyond-Antares7 жыл бұрын
I used to hate meshuggah because I first heard of them during my shred days and was like " you can play all their songs with one finger". Then I saw the video for New Millenium Cyn Christ and I was hooked. Never looked back.
@7dogguy6 жыл бұрын
The reason i cant get into them is because they will do the same thing for like 2 minutes straight and switch for the next 2 minutes etc. Its like too long youll here the same time signature for that long and the guitar will repeat the same riff for that 2 minute peroid
@dissentview82497 жыл бұрын
I personally love Meshuggah, and in general the Djent genre. I can understand people not being fussed on it, but there are some people who practically foam at the mouth with fury at the mention of djent; so confusing granted that djent means nothing really, it's such a vague term it can apparently encompass bands like Meshuggah and Animals as Leaders - 2 bands I really like, but they have very little in common other than 8 string guitars; which they both tune very differently.
@iam4everill7 жыл бұрын
That guy speaking reminds me to Bill Hicks, I like it. Great video!
@crucifixmegabuster957 жыл бұрын
every time I ask for a band to get into these guys are always recommended. I guess this is a sign for me to bump them lol.
@BorderlineBald7 жыл бұрын
The only reason i clicked this video was out of curiosity, cause i have never heard about anything but love for meshuggah. Everyone that is remotely into metal seem to love them.
@raspberryjuiceentertainmen7193 жыл бұрын
I had absolutely no clue anybody hated Meshuggah
@jeremyscout16497 жыл бұрын
I personally own every album from Rare Trax through VSOR. I will always regard Obzen as one of my favorite albums of all time. However...I can see where people have an issue with the vocals because it is something that has been bugging me on their last 2 releases. If you go back to Contradictions Collapse you'll realise that Jens has not always sounded cold/robotic monotonous. But they are playing a totally different style than they did back then. so perhaps it is done purposely but it does tend to make a lot of their songs sound a bit similar.
@theneighborskid31793 жыл бұрын
People who hate Meshuggah are the same people who grip the pencil with their entire fist
@Metal_Army7 жыл бұрын
hey coverkillernation can you tell me what you think about the single ex deo just released a little bit ago called th rise of Hannibal tell me what you think
@allanmcmillan38507 жыл бұрын
I don't understand why people dislike them so much, they are so talented!!!!
@mastercyconide76607 жыл бұрын
I'm not a big fan of Meshuggah. However after seeing this, I listened to their album ObZen. And I like it.
@nickteves97167 жыл бұрын
Finally got to see Meshuggah yesterday with Megadeth. They sounded so fucking good live.
@no666663 жыл бұрын
Yiddish the word Meshugah is literally their music. They have too high of an ego
@madhya7 жыл бұрын
as much as i've tried to get into meshuggah, i haven't been able to. i want to understand their music because i know all about how they literally defined an entire genre and started a completely new phase in the world of metal but i honestly don't find anything intriguing about their sound/songwriting. trust me, i love gnarly djent tones and mind-bogglingly complex polyrhythms as much as the next guy, but i really just cant make myself enjoy their music. i know you gave some pretty valid counters in the video, but i genuinely don't enjoy the one-type, abrasive vocals or the weirdly mixed guitar tones. call me uncultured or ignorant but i really don't understand what makes meshuggah shine as a band. i'm sure that in their prime, they were fresh and exciting but now theres nothing that they do that i cant hear another djent band do plus more, and maybe thats part of it. hopefully this isn't lost on those elitist bastards you always find in comment sections (you know who you are)
@psychosisjones36217 жыл бұрын
I would love to sit down with anyone that says they hate Meshuggah and listen to some of they're albums with them. It's impossible to be a fan of extreme music and dislike Meshuggah.
@SDMF207 жыл бұрын
No it's quite possible, i should know. I don't hate them, i just find them very boring to listen to.
@Travis_Hewitt7 жыл бұрын
I hate elitist metalheads. People can like and not like what they want. I'm a huge fan of a wide variety of metal and yes even Nu metal. It's nothing to be embarrassed by to admit you love Limp Bizkit. Thanks to Nu metal I had a gateway that lead me to discover other types of metal throughout the years.
@papaemeritusiii90477 жыл бұрын
in the vid he says that meshuggah plays different time signatures and polyrhytms, but I've heard countless times that they actually play almost everytime in 4/4 with polymetrics. While he may have reffered to polymetrics by saying that they "combine" different time signature. but the core off their songs is still in 4/4
@swarm697 жыл бұрын
meshuggah are hands down one of the most talented bands out there today, 99% of "djent" bands cant even hold a candle to the polyrythmic cluster fuck of meshugga, that said i have a hard time listening to more than a few songs at a time, i love what they do but sitting through a whole album becomes really monotonous fast. having said that seeing them live is close to a religious experience fucking insane
@QUK_DDCT7 жыл бұрын
Meshuggah is the creator of djent and are amazing in general. The time signatures are complex and I can't even imagine how the drummer does his stuff because, well, it seems hard as hell. They're sound is also pretty heavy too. Those who don't like djent in general can fuck off.
@julianlohss93566 жыл бұрын
Sorry for the xtra h at the end.😭
@Disc19957 жыл бұрын
While I want to prefice this by saying that I do actually enjoy Meshuggah, I often find that i'm only able to listen to a handful of songs in one sitting before it starts to get a little fatiguing, whether it's due to the continued intensity and high energy i'm not really sure, but figured i'd throw that out there.