5 reasons why HANS ZIMMER is a shame for the music industry

[@stefanie3831]

It's like Hans Zimmer took other's natural orange juice and made Fanta out of it.

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

hahah perfect

[@m62films-upthenorth]

Perfection

[@aselliofacchio]

No, he stole other's orange juice and SOLD it as "hans zimmer's orange juice"

[@KCJazzKeys]

Hans' biggest rip to me was the battle music from the opening scene in "Gladiator" sounds exactly like the 2nd theme from Gustav Holst's "Mars: The Bringer of War" from "The Planets".

[@tehsma]

For sure. But then again, without Holst we would also not have Star Wars, E.T., and other legendary works by John Williams. Some pieces of music like Holst's "The Planets" will continue to inspire composers for a thousand years. Can't fault anyone for following his lead.

[@KCJazzKeys]

tehsma Its just that he really pretty much took the theme without hardly changing anything except the meter, (5/4 to 4/4) if I remember the cue correctly.

[@lotusbuds2000]

John Williams took the bones of MARS for Star Wars and said he composed it...these orchestral pieces are usually ripoffs from the old masters...call it influence or whatever...such is life ...the original masters also were influenced I supposed...

[@saiwaqa2573]

But they are in the public domain. So technically, it's not plagiarism. But i agree with you, overall.

[@ortuignis3782]

5 years later this is one of the dumbest musical opinions I've ever read. Are you seriously suggesting contemporary artists shouldn't seek inspiration from old works? Fuck, there goes Picasso, John Williams, Peter Jackson and Howard Shore. Fuck, that includes Holst himself. And fuck, that includes literally every artist who ever lived because all art is a shared inheritance.

[@LukeTieppo1694]

I can't get over The Prince of Egypt one. That beautiful sacred-sounding music came from a sleazy movie sex scene!?!?!

[@folkosire]

xD so true

[@GameDevAraz]

Not the same tune dumbasses! Thats like a little but not the same thing! Also, the Hans zimmer one truly speaks of GOD, while that other inappropriate movie one sounds out of place like they wanted something magical but failed lol

[@mickjames7962]

Do you have any idea how many times that linear phrase of notes was probably played in countless ways throughout the music of history. People don't realise. It's like the words once upon a time. There's no copyright on once upon a time. Or "Hows the weather".

[@janylloupaye3161]

ya should check out hans black rain tracks .. there some prince of egypt melody there .. f u spot it..and it was release earlier

[@JosephDoody1]

It's not a sleazy movie, or even a sleazy scene.

[@revanreborn9658]

I think my love for Hans Zimmer died a little after watching this video :(

[@MrMcsia]

+Ethan Marosi Here too :(

[@goatlps]

Update: 'Interstellar', music by...Philip Glass ;)

[@jackdonohue7893]

Mine didn't

[@timmy-the-nobody]

@Alejandro Gjezi Finally someone who uses his brain in this comment section!

[@timmy-the-nobody]

@Alejandro Gjezi I didn't bring anything more because everything is said, when the same chord progressions are copied over and over again in pop as you described, it's not a coincidence, and no one takes offense in these cases. It's easy to get people to scream plagiarism by putting certain bits of tracks next to each other at certain points in those songs. If no music was inspired by other works of the past there would be no evolution, everyone is inspired by everyone, willingly or unwillingly. If every musician had to reinvent "the music" in every piece we would hear only bits of wood hitting other bits of wood, and that wouldn't happen on youtube.

[@TroyMcKeown]

I guess everyone except the first person to write a minor second interval really really sucks.

[@enricomarconi1767]

how's E to F sounds to you? Or you prefer D to Eb? (I'll make it even better, use the natural scale instead of the tempered one)

[@ariannakosiek7836]

And in one of the battle scenes from Gladiator, you can hear the Pirates of the Caribbean theme which was in the film three years later. While Zimmer did compose for both movies, it seems very cheap to do so.

[@Neb30925]

Self-plagiarism?🤔😂

[@josephcook9985]

Try working on a film composer’s timeline, then you won’t feel like it’s such a sin to steal from yourself!

[@Crimsonterminator100]

There's this thing called a temp track that is used while editing a film and the director not being music literate wants that sound in that scene and the composer does what the director wants

[@devanfujinaka8412]

Yea but Christopher Nolan specifically says he doesn’t do that when it comes to scoring his film, he gives Zimmer a script to work off of alone

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

then he is competent, not genial

[@025harsha9]

@@devanfujinaka8412 yeah, none of these are from Nolan movies though

[@ilgnsogut3715]

@@025harsha9 interstellar is and you can see how damn ripped those scores from Philip Glass. The best parts of the soundtrack is actually a full rip off from the Philip Glass' work.

[@louiemalgre2797]

So you're saying to steal all these musical ideas and pass them off as his own wasn't even his own idea?

[@subkontrabasklarinet]

Hans Zimmer is a businessman. His contribution to the world of film music may be doubtful when you consider his self rip-offs and ingratiating overhyped themes, but people just want them. It's a sad example of how film music industry works.

[@skunkbear342]

subkontrabasklarinet 👋

[@ilearncode7365]

Even if John Williams did the same, at least John Williams ripped off good shit. Hans Zimmer is a hack. He makes music that "sounds" classical / advanced because it uses orchestral instruments, but they are playing normal generic pop chords and melodies. Its watered down. Its like when you have a "hiphop street violinist" on America's Got Talent, and they play "In da club" or some garbage.

[@thierryhenry674]

Exactly!

[@SMCwasTaken]

💯💯💯 Even videogame composers make better music, heck I'd say they can be on the same level as John Williams

[@simonlealbarria6550]

I am not at all a Hans Zimmer fan, but those themes did not sound like plagiarism to me. There are other instances where Zimmer came dangerously close to copying others (e.g. Wagner and Holst), but here the similarities at best seem inspiration. And mostly they seem just the same instrumentation or a simple coincidence. Lastly, the theme "Time" is in fact a plagiarism, but from himself, not from Powell. It derives from "Journey to the Line", from The Thin Red Line (1998).

[@jonathan130]

Cope

[@ricowilko]

The last 4 minutes of music at the end of No Time To Die (called Final ascent) has the exact same chord structure as Zombie by The Cranberries. They’re even in the same key of E minor!

[@MA-rf6bu]

Also the rest of No Time To Die’s soundtrack is very similar to The Dark Knight

[@CEIVE4EVER]

I'm not with you in Cleoplatra, not at all. But in Gladiator also you can find an extreme plagiarism of Goreki's "Symphony No. 3: Symphony of Sorrowful Songs (1st Movement)" in Hans Zimmer's "Am I not merceful?"

[@mickjames7962]

Plagiarism is a pretty dirty and loaded word, I wouldn't throw it around without just cause.

[@Studio2770]

Just watched a video pointing out the same thing with John Williams. It seems people are more forgiving and likely to make excuses for him b/c he's John Williams (same applies with Zimmer but perhaps more so with Williams). Let's not forget that directors play a role in this too. They have an idea of the tempo and point composers to previous pieces. The composers for the Marvel Cinematic Universe have done this (there's a video about that). With centuries of music to convey so many emotions and moments, it's hard to create something totally new because so many artists created music for that emotion or moment. There's also the chance that musicians create something that they believe is from them but subconsciously heard it somewhere else.

[@thierryhenry674]

Not only memorable. Williams’ works are extremely musically sophisticated, regardless of whether it’s actually original or not. Ripping off is not a problem. But Hans rips off simple stuff. And make them even more simple. Rubbish composer. If you rip off something, why not picking something that are actually interesting? If you really have to rip off something simple. At least you add some interesting chords/modulations. Or add some good arrangements/texture. But no, he just won’t.

[@stepaniero]

@@thierryhenry674 Williams and Dvořák are almost the same...

[@thierryhenry674]

@@stepaniero My point is, if I am a footballer, I would rather rip off some skills from a Barcelona player, rather than from a random footballer in my local school. Im fine with people ripping off something great and produce some great end product. Ripping off something bad and produce something bad is unacceptable.

[@andmicbro1]

In Zimmer's defense, this happens all the time. And what directors will do is cut the film together with a "sample track" which is usually scores from other movies. They do this before the movie score is even written. So they've already edited the movie, and then they want the composer to basically rip off the sample track, because they've already gotten what they wanted in the cut of the movie. So the composer copies the track, changing enough notes to make it legally not plagiarism, then boom, you get a movie soundtrack that sounds like a weird conglomeration of other soundtracks.

[@janylloupaye3161]

exactly

[@janylloupaye3161]

temp music is word . ur refering to

[@aselliofacchio]

No it doesn't happen all the time, Morricone never did this.

[@TheTCT1993]

sections of the gladiator score sound almost exactly like the pirates of the caribbean score. I am one of those people that hates when scores from different films/series sound exactly alike.

[@chrisnasman6827]

Gladiator was 3 years before Pirates. Both of which he worked on.

[@Eldor503]

Klaus Badelt had no inspiration for this movie so he urgently asked help from Zimmer, and Zimmer composed the main theme in two days. That's why he didn't have time to find new ideas. Now listen to PotC 2 and PotC 3, I don't think it sounds like Gladiator...

[@Eldor503]

Are you talking about PotC 2 and PotC 3? You should listen to them, this is an totally different style. PotC 2 sounds a little like King Arthur, but really not like Gladiator, and PotC 3 is agains a new style... There are also themes in commun because it's the same trilogy, but the style is not the same. (Sorry for my english, I'm in a hurry.)

[@IllusionSector]

@BeyondEnchantment Actually you can blame temp score and tight schedules for that.

[@michaeltyrrhene7069]

Gladiator: Blatant plaigerism of Holst's Mars movement from The Planets, with a slight change in metre. Also, in the 'Am I not merciful?' scene, Zimmer lifts wholesale from the first movement of Henryk Gorecki's third symphony.

[@joshallanfilmandmusic]

John Williams' score for Star Wars: a New Hope is also similar to Holst's The Planets and elements of Stravinsky's Rite of Spring. Zimmer, like Williams, is one of many composers who is inspired by the work of other composers. In my opinion, Williams and Zimmer (amongst many others) are great composers, despite containing similarities to other composer's work, and also sometimes repeating elements of their own work.

[@mickjames7962]

I don't think it's plagiarism, it's a very transparent nod and a wink to that very piece, specifically because of the nature of the scene and the film. What's next, we start saying if you use basic intervals then you are ripping off Pythagoras?

[@Bartimaeeus]

although these people are shameless, i don't think it's such a scandal. considering how much movies hollywood is shitting out each year and how few composers work there. they should hire more people of the streets, there are so many talents here on youtube f. eg. even if they would only do one film at least the music would be original.

[@Alibaba.Logic.Builders]

Correct so indian Oscar winner a r rahman takes 7 months for one movie

[@stellastenkova1082]

Seriously seeing nothing wrong in stealing someone elses work and not credit them?! Bet you are offspring of them colonizers or massm*rderers, right? Blind to the wrong!

[@victory4577]

What’s the name of music from jack nitzsche? It’s very good.

[@damianb1562]

and by the way, I also make music and sometimes my songs are similar to something that I never Heard.Its possible to make music which is very similar to other ...

[@saiwaqa2573]

Not as a composer like Han Zimmer. Ignorance isn't an excuse.

[@Szederp]

I would even argue that Inception's theme was stolen from Das Boot.

[@KVNSparta]

The whole Interstellar score was stolen from an 1996 album by Rachel's. Here's an example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/r2i4aKatZrdmja8 You can check out their whole album called The Sea and The Bells Zimmer stole almost the whole album from them and gave zero credit.

[@PatrickGillMusic]

Wow!

[@ymm4626]

what the fuck this is the exact same!

[@dustinakadustin]

So many Hans Zimmer scores from the late nineties to early 2000s are so insanely similar almost identical, Gladiator, Pirates of The Carribbean, The Road To Eldorado. He also ripped of The Shining main theme in Road to Eldorado.

[@agm9525]

Not true, actually this is his best period were he was really creative and produced his most of his best works and most perfect and memorable soundtracks

[@ultimateredstone]

What's it with these types of videos? About John Williams as well... almost none of this is even noteworthy... in minimalistic scores, you don't go looking for tiny phrases that are used elsewhere. Of course they are used elsewhere! Thousands of times! What's important is context and all musical elements combined.

[@homhable]

The "Prince of egypt" theme, stolen from a sex scene in "Mermaids" ... that one just takes my breath away.

[@IrvingM]

Often times the first edits of a film have a TEMP MUSIC track, and very often director's get WAY attached to the way it sounds - and ask specifically that the new composer match the feel of the temp track... this can lead us here as well.

[@enricomarconi1767]

Zimmer isn't the only one... how about James Horner or even the great JW? Borrowing sometimes is a must considering Hollywood's deadlines (I assure you the pressure is through the roof!) however JW truly knows what to do with it, and his skilled orchestrators are nothing short than amazing!

[@Cloudstrife112233]

Well, the big thing to remember is that a lot of directors use filler music until the score is composed and then they tell the composer that they want something that sounds similar. Lucas used Holst's the Planets in Star Wars until Williams made the final score. Thats why there are a lot of similar leitmotif's between the Planets and Star Wars.

[@SMCwasTaken]

Atleast JW did it right Hans Zimmer just uses pop chords

[@ch300fnqi]

There are better examples of plagiarism by Hans Zimmer: his so-called "Am I not merciful" is really Gorecki's Symphony of Sorrowful Songs. Too bad Gorecki passed away in 2000.

[@thedarkwolef]

what is the Bourne Identity score called? I can't seem to find it on the CD.

[@citizenbane3784]

Oh please, John Williams too, they both great composers inspired by many others. Similar paraphrasing is not the same as plagiarism.

[@joshallanfilmandmusic]

I completely agree. Someone can be a great composer while taking inspiration from their own previous work and the work of others.

[@okay.productions]

Good excuses people! This is more than just make a little tribute to someone, this is stealing a work from someone else without claiming it!

[@Doc_Destino]

Anyway, Hans Zimmer is pretty overrated in comparison to other compositors like John Powell or even Giacchino. (Overrated ≠ bad). Leaving that besides, Hans Zimmer repeats a LOT every theme created along all the movie or different movies. You can listen to Cheetah theme from WW1984 (2019) in “The Kraken” from Pirates of the Caribbean, a 10 years gap between each other, when there are other composers creating truly original and amazing tracks for different stories instead of repeating them

[@pablofranco912]

@@Doc_Destino You couldn’t have put it better. He’s overrated af. Other composers like James Horner or Thomas Newman don’t get nearly 10% the love Zimmer receives. I think he just became to mainstream.

[@fabsmaster5309]

Composers have been doing this for centuries. It's nothing new.

[@ParadoxVestigeOFFICIAL]

I agree, just think about Stravinsky's work. He took inspiration from many cultures' musical styles.

[@ender7278]

I never thought Hans Zimmer was any good. He did do Pirates of the Caribbean, but the first one was done mostly by his buddy, so we don't even know if he had any influence on He's a Pirate.

[@joshallanfilmandmusic]

Zimmer wrote the themes for the first film (including the theme of He's a Pirate), but due to his involvement in another film, Klaus Badelt wrote the score using Zimmer's themes. After the first film, Zimmer wrote the rest of the scores.

[@tarinclott4845]

I think we all need to remember that Hans isn't writing concert music, he's writing music purely meant to fit the movie. Even if some of his ideas are possibly stolen, he still is a marvelous film composer, because he takes them and turns them into his own ideas and makes them fit the movie spectacularly.

[@stellastenkova1082]

It is THEFT! Did he credit the composers he stole from??? Who cares whether it was movie or not. Like they can commit a crime and it will not be punishable. They did not pay to the composers funds and labels for the rights. It's a theft. A colonizers stealing someones land, killing the natives and looting their homes is a crime too, you know. Even if you are raised in such culture you should know the laws and morals of a society!

[@christianr5973]

Except for the Gassenhauer one the similarities are probably accidental. There are only so many combinations when you‘re trying to write a 3-4 notes theme in traditional Western harmonic scales. That‘s why most pop music released today sounds the same.

[@ilgnsogut3715]

accidental yeah check interstellar soundtrack vs philip glass' work Glassworks 1 opening for example or Prophecies/Koyaanisqatsi

[@SingHouse]

So he borrowed themes from others. So what. If anything he's made them much better.

[@niktoa8822]

You'll pay attention to diona dimm's soundtrack. If you listen to the last mission impossible's music, there are similarities, especially with one name "scalper and hammer". If you want the exact part, it's about 2.20 minutes

[@stellastenkova1082]

Thank you for the video! 👏I knew it that he is just copy-pasting someone elses compositions with tiny changes.What a fraud he is! Need to update the video to add Intersteller/koyaanisqatsi by P.Glass!

[@jg2904]

This isn't even a great catalog of all the times he has plagiarized. What about the Wagner or Holst he pilfered for Gladiator, the latter of which was the basis of a lawsuit? How about all of the times he's cannibalized his own material for later use?

[@Kasino80]

I find Zimmer very hit and miss. Prince of Egypt, The Lion King and Black Hawk Down are very good scores, but basically everything he's done for Nolan and DC in general has been very repetitive.

[@alieaston9453]

his work on pirates alone puts him above every single film composer in history, He's a Pirate is literally legendary

[@Kasino80]

@@alieaston9453 and extremely overused through out the movie.

[@thierryhenry674]

You called some simple/easy/uncreative/bland diatonic progression “legendary”?

[@LukaGroulx]

Seriously, pretty much EVERY composer I know borrows from other works! Even the great John Williams "steals" a lot from romantic/modern composers. Sometimes being aware of it, using it as an inspiration, but also, there are SO MUCH music that has been composed, it's pretty much impossible to find something completely original!

[@Stereozentrum]

Thanks for the video. With this in mind, everyone should be able to easily understand why Zimmerboy and his army of clones and ghostwriters actually suck. I just don't get it why he still has so many fanboys who inconditionally worship him.

[@stephanemignot100]

@SunTai I can't even remember the theme most of the time, except when it really sucks like in "the Rock", he's a sound designer most of the time no anyway. I don't like the directors who hire him anyway, the "don't mess with my art" divas, they like Zimmer's soulless and skilless work.

[@agm9525]

Hans zimmer is a great composer, great and genius artist. The things he done nobody had done it before but his level is so oscillating and for me his best scores are only 18

[@thierryhenry674]

Ripping off is not a problem. But he rips off simple stuff. And make them more simple. Rubbish composer. If you rip off something, why not picking something that are actually interesting? If you really have to rip off something simple. At least you add some interesting chords/modulations. Or add some good arrangements/texture. But no, he just won’t.

[@Stereozentrum]

@@thierryhenry674 True enough!

[@stellastenkova1082]

Cause they are deaf for the real music. Low IQ and narrow-minded people tend to like simpler melodies chopped into little 2 minute pieces. The r@t can never understand the swan

[@Peam2004]

Musicians don't create everything by themselves, all music sounds the same because people take INSPIRATION from each other and adapt it. It is not just Hans, it's every single musician in the entire world.

[@zie3939]

Completely agree

[@aselliofacchio]

False, Morricone's themes were never copied.

[@tusharpandey858]

I highly do doubt People in comments and the channels host really understands music if at all. They are finding similarities in art its laughable. In this way most of the Renaissance art Or Da Vinci's art were copied. I feel piti on these people...

[@victorbuehring8295]

Lets not get started with Gladiator and the bits Zimmer took from Wagner.

[@ODMXypher]

also the part he copied from mars, gustav holst

[@siwy4don]

I will always respect Hans Zimmer for The Last Samurai soundtrack. My two favourite composers with John Williams.

[@augustinenathan266]

James Horner Brad fiedel Vangelis you missed

[@stephanemignot100]

Zimmer is not a composer, he's just a fraud...

[@pianoboi4842]

@@stephanemignot100 care to elaborate?

[@thierryhenry674]

That’s an insult to John Williams.

[@nataliakorwin2679]

not only this! he imitates even the style and instruments or choirs used. When I first heard music from "Stallion of the Cimarron" I was convinced it was Vangelis' piece. It sounded a lot like him (Titans). There are some Vangelis fingerprints in Interstellar too. What a shame!!! I admired Zimmer so much. What a scam. Vangelis, Kaczmarek, Steiner, Williams - these are real kings.

[@vagabond4576]

I just hate the factor that Hans plays the same shit over and over and over again for all the movies of Pirates of the Caribbean.

[@fizikshizik]

Well, when I listened Sherlock Holmes theme (much brighter than any example here) I for some strange reason remembered "Addio a Cheyenne" from "Once upon a time in the west" by Ennio Morricone. I'm sure that's just an amazing coincidence. Yeah...

[@doncorleole2356]

I love both themes, but they really don’t sound that much alike

[@EvaExplores-x2x]

Great classical composers like Tchaikovsky, their masterpieces like swan lake, sleeping beauty, nutcracker all contained popular folksongs melodies written by others. 1812 overture had French national anthem in it.

[@MrMcsia]

+Jerry Z Tchaikovsky quoted famous folksong melodies but he didn't secretely copy the music of his fellow ballet composers. That's the difference to Zimmer.

[@EvaExplores-x2x]

+wyomingmali yours is an ignorant response to an ignorant comparison at best.

[@satraccaarba9122]

+Jerry Z Stupid kid. DON'T TALK ABOUT TCHAIKOVSKY

[@stellastenkova1082]

Seriously old folk music is sounding like Tchaikovsky?!? Folk music is 40 minute piece written for orchestra?!? A simple melody written into a clasical masterpiece played by 40 musicians on the stage at once is not the same as Zimmer copping every beat, instrument, tempo, pause, etc. Painter painting landscape is NOT copying the nature. Don't compare geniuses like Tchaikovsky ever again to thieves like Zimmer! Obviously you never heard those composers - just know how to write their names! Otherwise you'll show knowledge and respect!

[@EvaExplores-x2x]

@@stellastenkova1082 just bunch of rant, take your chill pill. At any of these classical composer’s own time, they are considered the hip and trendy pop music of the society, so it’s natural for the likes of Tchaikovsky, Liszt, Chopin to incorporate their cultural folks music, that now sounds like classic masterpieces to you and me. That’s a well known fact. Have some common sense before making yourself sound like an idiot. In 100 years we’ll have people fervently worshipping zimmer like what you are doing now.

[@MrMcsia]

Ok, that Mermaids-Moment just killed me. Hans Zimmer, I hate you.

[@thepaperninja3123]

Bro you just changed the tone of that Inception Time track it sounds really different if you've heard it from anywhere else apart from this video

[@martinnikovmusic]

Why did you transpose "Time" to sound like John Powell's Borne Identity lmao

[@chillspace4572]

Guys calm down I don't think interstellar OST is copied from this. Hans Zimmer probably sampled from this sound track, I can give an example. Search for 2.8 Ph4se. vox by Mac quale from Mr.Robot's show and listen to it after that listen to Daft punk's armoury sound track from Tron legacy. Listen to them in any order they sound same but it's different.

[@attorneytimothyb.gifford4400]

I thought the "Diona Dimm" theme sounded a bit like Barber's famous "Adagio for Strings." Could of been, maybe I was just feeling bad that night...

[@albedoshader]

Almost. You are misremembering the composer. It’s actually from “Clubbed to Death”, which in turn starts with a part of the first movement of Edward Elgar’s Enigma Variations, and continues to play with that theme: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jpPbi5SonNmLq8k

[@KZt-Ksh]

Heck Some parts of his Will and Elizabeth Love Theme in Potc sounds similar to Titanic theme(beginning notes).Bryan Tyler also reference this love theme for his Natasha And Bruce theme in Age of Ultron

[@cathbadmusic8489]

Gladiator is an almost exact copy paste of Vangelis's theme to 1492: Conquest of Paradise, from 8 years earlier. Can't believe Zimmer got away with that.

[@lara1305]

I’m sorry BUT inception is not a copy of Bourne Identity. Inception is a slimmer version of pearl harbour’s TENNESSEE which was published 2001 - before Bourne was published!

[@MrJoshameeGibbsVideo]

You could do the same with John Williams, Alan Silvestri, Danny Elfman... Music is more than that. Plus some of the comparisons you make, like Bourne vs Inception, are ridiculous.

[@drewcollier1138]

Apparently "One Simple Idea" was written by Lorne Balfe.

[@rimmausmanova5674]

Да это вообще наша народная песня "нарушил мои покой" а не Клеопатра

[@dreaming4ffr]

to find an actuall original sound, is'nt as easy as people think... especially in our era.... even farts can produce sounds already in existence.. so yeh.. i think he already mentioned before, he took inspiration from some movies.. he is'nt hiding this fact

[@rajadurainatarajan8430]

Its shocking...moreover I find the last samurai theme by hans zimmer similar to oscar man AR RAHMANS airtel (a mobile network) theme music

[@thepaperninja3123]

Bro apdi lam onum illa rendu perum legends dhaan

[@Jude-db1bo]

Come On A R Rahman ❓❓❓❓ Hans isnt that Desp

[@rv6569]

@@Jude-db1bo first know who is AR Rahman. He is 1000000 times better than Zimmer. It clearly shows you have not heard any of his music. Ofcourse, he too copied. but not like zimmer.

[@AleksanderFraszczak]

Oh so now I can show you what plagyats Holst made for example. I can show you even where had been exerpts of Mozart's melodies before he has written it. It's impossible to write melody absolutely new. I can't write something, when the first interval is minor third, because Debussy started "Le flis au chweux le lin" and "arabesque" with third. The first chord can i write g-minor? No, cuz Mozart started his symphony with it. Always when you write something new you copy some exerpts from sobe sources, and it's impossible to defead it.

[@jackdonohue7893]

You could make one of these same videos on John Williams and it could be the same and probably even longer.

[@samlab0920]

Well, John Powell works for Zimmer, so that one is almost legit..

[@DenverWilliam]

5 reasons why every single writer in the history of anything is a plagiarist, 1. Every idea came from someone somewhere, and we use thousands of ideas and thoughts in a day which were not created by our selves. 2. The letters A-Z and the numbers and the Characters were created and evolved by someone. Since we write them the same way, or draw them if you will, we are copying someone else's work without giving reference to them. 3. In music a style and a loop is created a lot of the time, it is like the words happy birthday in the song itself. Saying the words happy birthday is not plagiarism, copying the entire song is, not the loops. 4. The world, and each individual culture has defined plagiarism as similar, but with minor variances. In our culture, it is NOT plagiarism to copy the beat and variance of tones chronologically, as we can use different notes and different instruments to create and change the way a verse sounds. Like using the song happy birthday to "me" instead if "you." We are not copying the song, we are copying the sound with different notes. In our culture, this is not plagiarism. 5. Because nearly every sound has been produced once before, or will be again, it is nearly impossible to claim that you created that sound, and it is nearly impossible to say so in any copyright claim. And PS, something that sounds similar but is NOT the same, that my friends is NOT plagiarism!! Welcome to the laws of copyright and some of the laws of linguistics.

[@HarryBuddhaPalm]

"2. The letters A-Z and the numbers and the Characters were created and evolved by someone. Since we write them the same way, or draw them if you will, we are copying someone else's work without giving reference to them." That's just fucking stupid. Letters are a tool, not artwork. Every artist is inspired by others, but the good ones take that inspiration and turn it into something new. Worthless hacks just copy someone else's work and take credit for it.

[@DenverWilliam]

Harry BuddhaPalm I said that to illustrate that these works are NOT copies of anyones work. They took inspiration from them.

[@MajorVanBloodnok]

Denver William: Proof, as if any were needed, that Hans Zimmer fans know precisely zero. You seem to confuse plagiarism with copywrite. You can use phrases, ideas and styles from the past but to copy an entire melody and rhythm from another work but just change the beat or tempo a bit, or add a different orchestration is plagiarism. It might not be a copyright thing. But the point is that Zimmer is not a composer - he's an arranger.

[@Mansardian]

Hi, i am working in the music industry and I just want to let the readers know this: It is allowed to take ideas from someone else - as long as it is short enough to not be recognized as a particular piece of music, made by someone else. (however it is a different situation if the composer passed away over 70 years ago). What Hans Zimmer did is clearly on the edge...

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

he is not a genius, egal the plagiat

[@damianb1562]

Hej You missed one movie . The Prestige. when You watch firs 11 minutes of Prestige You will here the main theme of Interstellar. Just focus and see 11 minutes of The Prestige and let mi know what You think ROB

[@albedoshader]

Zimmer recycles a lot of his own music. Zimmer reused a lot of the parts of “The Thin Red Line” in a lot of his later soundtracks.

[@HpArtcraft]

You forgot to include his Inception piece 'Old Souls' being a massive rip off of David Arnold's Quantum of Solace piece 'Night at the Opera.' I made a video about Zimmer's Self-Plagiarism /watch?v=VyZn-8hDGho

[@jackdodsworth6077]

Okay, well alot of these comparisons SOUND similar but I was never call them copied... until I heard gladiator played against Cleopatra xD Those two were suspiciously similar... that being said, I find it hard to even try and hate zimmer, as he has produced some fantastic scores (Interstellar?!)

[@jackdodsworth6077]

For real though, some of these just aren't even close... don't hate the man, just love good music

[@prehistorCZ]

Actually though these are similar, I think they are different enough to not consider it a rip-off. Lot of different notes and a completely different mood.

[@SpiritLifeStephanie]

Take other people's ideas and make them your own, then take all the credit.... that's business as usual. Sigh...

[@zentist00]

My personal Hans Zimmer pet peeve is _The Sisters of Mercy - "This Corrosion"_ VS _Rain Man - Las Vegas_ theme

[@mickjames7962]

yes and no, these others also no doubt got their ideas from many other sources too. In all the history of music in all the world it is almost impossible to write something that has not been done in some interation before, in some way, the originality comes in the inflection, the sentiment, the production, the performance, and the originality tailoring it to what you are doing. Look at Michael Jackson's "moonwalk" and see all the dancers who did very similar things in history until he made it his own.

[@tizianherzberger8515]

The point of art is that there‘s almost no way to produce something completely new, sth that‘s never been done before, everything has alread been done in one way or the other. It‘s about putting an idea into a new context, which is yours, your vision and to make it something new. All of the examples feel different in the end. Look at painters, movies, anything. It‘s how it works.

[@goth_fraggle]

So...what do you think about James Horner?

[@sedsworld1672]

So the same musical score that was in the, “Prince of Egypt” is also in another movies’ sex scene? That’s completely distasteful.

[@jellybeansi]

Eh, temp tracks exist. They're added to the score before a soundtrack is composed, then the director likes it so much, the artist is asked to mimic it.

[@marcusnorgren1958]

Haha this is just pathetic. I bet you can find just as much "plagiarism" with for example John Williams' or Ennio Morricone's scores. It's called INSPIRATION, it's impossible to write 100% new music that doesn't remind of any previous work in some ways. Stop hating and thinking you're superior to one of the greatest composers of the last 30 years. Hans Zimmer is a genius, and he will remain as one of the most effectful and transcendent musicians ever regardless of what crap you're trying to spread.

[@arnebarnard]

+HZ-FCB 97 As a friend of mine once said, "There's inspiration.......and then there's tracing paper.

[@satraccaarba9122]

+HZ-FCB 97 yes yes, ''inspiration''. Instead it's possible to write new music. The melodies can be similar, but not identical...

[@mickjames7962]

And all of Hans's iterations here are quite original, it's in the execution and many other things the artistry and individuality. Tell me it doesn't sound like Hans Zimmer, for example. Those pieces he supposedly ripped off do not sound like Hans Zimmer, and he does not sound like them. People are too attached to intellectual academic and limited definitions, rather than having a comprehensive understanding of the whole piece of art.

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

not genius, just competent

[@kristianbasile7141]

Yeah no shit Hans Zimmer built on the works of other composers. That is what 99% of composers do. Thing is he took some decent things and made them amazing and that is his talent.

[@saiwaqa2573]

huh? Is that what bach, stravinsky, mozart, beethoven, and the like did? They built on the works of other composers? NONSENSE!

[@kristianbasile7141]

@@saiwaqa2573 It's funny that the exact composers you mentioned are known for plagiarism or collabbing with other artists and taking their ideas.

[@saiwaqa2573]

@@kristianbasile7141 Examples?

[@emanuel_soundtrack]

i just see things gettting worse, not better with him

[@doncorleole2356]

The first one actually isn’t that similar, he gets an “inspired by Orff”-pass for that. The mermaids vs Prince of Egypt thing has similarities and differences, calling it a copy would be inappropriate. Gladiator vs Coleoptera: He changed a lot, it sounds like a march. Inception vs Bourne: Fuck of. Not even remotely. Inception vs who ever that was: the overarching harmony of the end of Zimmers track sounds very similar, the polyrithm part bevor that is something completely different. You’re mad at him because he was influenced? FUCKING everybody is influenced by something, none of these are straight copies. Calling him a disgrace to music is just totally wrong.

[@Tenshii_Artii]

Seriously though, does anybody know the name of the soundtrack at 1:15 ? i actually like the sound of it to be honest!

[@chrischammas1]

Listen to his The Thin Red Line main theme around 1:39 in and then Inception - Time at around the same time stamp. If anything Bourne was plagiarized from him, not the other way around.

[@UlysseDedalus]

Also stole some good music from Richter's OST fort "Waltz With Bashir" to use it un Interstellar.

[@HOLLBIE]

Actually is a Rip off of Philip Glass

[@folkosire]

I think "Prince of egypt" is the most shocking example.

[@YoLaudio]

He also copies some parts of some songs for Conan in Dark Knight Rises soundtrack

[@HomemakersOasis]

Also he took from koyaanisqatsi to make interstellar

[@gamerindian8060]

this is nothing compared to "national award" winning copycat music directors of my country.

[@10054]

5 reasons why Rob Lorenz and almost 250 people are delusional.

[@WolfySnackrib666]

Now do a video on that hack John Williams who is just as much of a shame for the music industry.

[@benpowell5007]

FINALLY! John Williams is a much bigger hack.

[@MansfeldPlPlus]

Guys, just listen few first seconds of Philip Glass - Glassworks

[@Alan-jj2go]

All you're really proving is that pop music is an incredibly limiting genre, and that it's easy for composers to accidentally copy one another. Yes, some of this music came first, but it doesn't mean the composer plagiarized, it just means it was a simple idea to begin with and he discovered the same thing, since he's working in the same aesthetic. The only one with any legitimacy is the Orff/True Romance, which was likely temp tracked. If you want to show how the music industry rips off one another, then take an actually popular/influential motif or piece of music (Like Zimmer's Thin Red Line, or Inception), and see how many composer's rip from it. THAT is plagiarism. Random moments of music he likely hasn't heard, is just coincidence.

[@SubscribersWithoutAnySubscribe]

Too many coincidences Alan, too many

[@Szederp]

Excellent video.

[@peterpais7832]

Listen to ill find a way from Zack Hemsey, which was released in 2010, and then listen to Interstellar soundtrack.

[@kevinbowen3312]

The Orff music was used in Badlands. True Romance was an homage to Badlands. So the filmmakers consciously wanted an homage to the music of Garlands. It's not like Zimmer was sitting on the couch listening to it and decided to steal it.

[@joshuagregoire9504]

That's basically saying oh, look there's a facebook social media. I'll create my own social media. It's not plagiarism, it's inspiration. Plus Hans Zimmer creates many original scores. Look at the dark Knight trililogy. Why do you think that every movie he makes gets millions of views, while things that he "plagiarized" gets little views. Because he is a talented composer

[@christianmiller9980]

I think the blame is to be laid equally at the feet of the industry. The director has a piece on the temp track - either a classical piece or other film music, and the composer's job becomes to pastiche that as closely as possible without infringing copyright. Classic example - John Williams Jaws - Williams was successfully sued by Stravinsky's heirs for similarities to the Rite of Spring. The conditions under which the commercial composer works are governed by these strictures. It's part of the gig.

[@_Odyssia_]

Hans Zimmer borrowing certain elements or pieces from other scores and composers doesn't really bother me that much. Anybody who is a creative or inventor or just produces something is going to borrow some inspiration from someone. Yeah, the pieces sound similar, but they don't serve the same purpose narratively in the film. If he copied that piece from that Mermaids movie for a love or sex scene for The Prince of Egypt and said "This is my original score!", then its plagiarism. These types of stuff happen all the time creative spheres. It is not like he had the intention of passing the work as his own. Watch Sideways' videoes on Inspiration, Homage, Temp Track, or Cryptomnesia? or Why Soundtracks aren't Taken Seriously. Most film composers borrow from each other too because they are making film scores for illiterate idiots who don't know music at all :-/ kzbin.info/www/bejne/nXXTp4mjpZmSj9E kzbin.info/www/bejne/hGmyaHeJoLCYlZY

[@aitornavarro6597]

I don't agree on the Gladiator comparison

[@TKD1485]

I thought I was the only one that heard it

[@M4T]

The guy is a true genius, he takes inspiration from others but always add more to it.

[@Alibaba.Logic.Builders]

Pirates of the c theme is copied from a r rahman Chinese song

[@Neb30925]

so...a great remixer ? 🤣