5 Things I Hate About My New 2021 Ford F-150 Raptor!

Today I go over the 5 things that I hate about my 2021 Ford F-150 Raptor!
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[@eddiewilliams7871]

My takeaway is that I’d love a gen 3 raptor! Issues with one mm of stitching sticking out of the seat? Really? A feather on the body mistaken for a fit and finish issue?! You mentioned how refined the body paneling is on the ford compared to the gaps in the TRX body paneling. That’s an actual big deal, as opposed to the non-issues presented in this video. I’d take a raptor because of the overall refinement, the 37s, the upgraded rear suspension, the relatively sensible drivetrain, the relatively light weight, the performance, and the look and road presence. It looks a lot more unique to me than a TRX.

[@epap1375]

& Then you drive the truck with the 700+ HP supercharged V8 and forget the rest of the background noise. The only body gap issue I’ve seen on my TRX is the hood which can be adjusted in 30 seconds. The raptors “upgraded” rear suspension is the same overall design Ram has been using for years and is obviously on the TRX also. IMO it would be silly to choose the Raptor over the TRX if they were around the same price. The Raptor R will be a different story and should take the crown back easily.

[@15Jeep]

The concept of the F150 Raptor is neat......definitely a niche 4WD truck with the narrowed focus for "high speed" off-road capability and longer A-arms for increased axle articulation / wheel travel compared to standard F150 and other Class One...Chevrolet, Dodge (Ram - Sheep - ha!) and GMC 1500 4WD trucks. I could see owning an F150 Raptor if I lived in, around or near a desert...Arizona, Kalifornia or Nevada.....otherwise, it just does not make much sense and therefore, not practical. IMO......the other MAJOR drawback is the twin turbo V6 engine. Granted, nice to have high HP with reduced weight, but that comes at a price.....less reliable, less durable and short on longevity. Way too much to maintain and service. Simply put, too many issues and problems with breakdowns and resulting in wasted time and repair costs. Moreover, Ford would be wise to build and offer naturally aspirated "push rod" V8 engines in the F150 Raptor; the F150 Tremor (6.5L)....and the new Bronco (5.7L). These engines would be smaller versions of the 7.3L Godzilla V8 found in the Super Duty trucks. For 4WD vehicles.....operating off-road.....there are several variables....gearing, tires, clearance, etc.....way more important than horsepower. I would trade the slightly higher HP of a twin turbo V6 any and every day for a N/A V8 for greatly increased reliability, durability and longevity.....and more money in the bank account to spend on other toys. Finally, IF I was in the market for a F150 Raptor, it would be a GEN 1......OR.....take a standard F150 Lariat, King Ranch or Platinum with a 5.0L V8 under the hood to --------------> Pax Power in Texas. Pax Power offers several options. 1. Build an F150 5.0L V8 with or without the OEM Raptor body parts. 2. Supercharger. 3. OEM Raptor suspension...OR...aftermarket ICON "Raptor Style" suspension. 4. OEM Raptor 9.75 inch rear axle assembly. It would be FUN to have a standard looking F150 that could out perform.....run circles around an OEM F150 Raptor both on pavement and off-road. Pax Power ------------------> WITHOUT RAPTOR BODY PARTS ------------> www.paxpower.com/f150/ WITH RAPTOR BODY PARTS -------------------> www.paxpower.com/raptor/

[@kenanderson2216]

@@epap1375 Unless you actually want to go off road. Its a nose diver. You cant drive a TRX any faster than a Raptor off road. May as well buy a challenger. Honestly, you would have to petty "smart" to buy a 100K truck for any reason. I could take a stock truck and make it perform better than either truck for 1/2 the price. Some folks have more dollars than sense. OOOOOohhhhh - it might not have a 12" screen, but I drive trucks, not watch movies in them. Why do Dodge I mean FIAT guys always have to go out of their way to be dicks?

[@epap1375]

@@kenanderson2216 That makes no sense. I could build a Camaro that will destroy any exotic car in a drag race so should everyone just buy Camaros? There’s more to car than a single metric and if you don’t get that you’re not as “smart” as you think you are. The TRX can off road, rip in a straight line, is comfortable on the road, has a beautiful modern interior, has curb appeal, factory warranty, etc etc. Enjoy your chopped 150

[@kenanderson2216]

@@epap1375 Just like I said. You FIAT guys are so touchy. I dont drive little 1/2 ton trucks those are for girls. And actually you could NOT build a CAMARO faster than any EXOTIC CAR. Maybe some, but not ANY. Your FIAT ego has ran past your intelligence and now you are talking nonsense. I think you are making my point for me. It's not my fault you spent 90K on a POS FIAT. Dont be mad at me. Tell me how it is in 3 years after wheeling regularly and you will see how GREAT FIAT products really are. I'm glad it looks nice.

[@marcobenavides4705]

Even though everything you said is valid, if you look for issues you will find them in every brand truck, especially because of everything going on with production because of covid. I think your biggest issue was getting the 37 package and not realizing that it would be nothing but downside for the truck, especially if you don't need it.

[@insanesurfer23]

If you keep remote starting it you can only remote start it twice before cycling the ignition.

[@DEKOY82]

For the cost of trucks today, you’d think the makers could pay someone to walk around and check the little things. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@uttamgala7186]

Nah who cares people will buy them regardless. Let’s fill our pockets with the profits instead! 🤣🤣🤣

[@tomstarcevich1147]

Yeah that guy is probably laid off!

[@trletts]

You'd have to Google but I have seen people commenting that while Ford is claiming same figures, they did retune it to have a bit different characteristics and further, the Gen 3's are dynoing quite a bit higher than the Gen 2's. So ford may claim the same but in fact it is different as it seems like most manufacturers are understating these days in the turbo era. Butt dyno/impressions are obviously important, though. But optioning 37s you're going to have to realize it is going to negatively effect it.

[@NavyGuy2OO7]

As far as the remote start that's not just a Ford thing, my Ram, the GMC I traded and my wife's Chevy do that sometimes. It has to do with electronic interference of the signal from the fob to the truck. I live near and work on a military airbase so depending on what they're doing, my remote start wont work if I'm 10 feet from the vehicle. It's not a complex signal and is easily interfered with from outside sources.

[@mrhammer1997]

Absolutely, even my Honda Pilot does that sometimes.

[@scottjohnson5828]

There’s pros and cons of everything it’s just you have to outweigh them to see what you want.

[@Louie_Ponce_Motography]

Totally agree, man. When you have 1st world problems, complaining about a 80K dollar vehicle is really just KZbin content.

[@billymc2681]

@@Louie_Ponce_Motography absolutely! And, admittedly I fell for it!

[@wallywest7800]

Never had those issues with my key fob on my 150. I had issues with the wireless media projection as well. Try using a good quality cord and do plug in version. That solved any issues I had. Also wireless just burns your battery.

[@mikeaiken4330]

I ordered my 2015 Colorado and it came in with one body color side mirror and one black! Granted it was a dark forest green truck so it didn't stand out too much. I got a new mirror cap of course and I made out with a bunch of extras from the mistake.

[@dsselfe]

I have a 2019 Raptor and the remote start issues are far and few between for me. One thing I like with the remote start system is the feedback the remote gives back to you in real time. If you remote start is successful, the led light on the remote will flash solid green for about a second or 2 to let you know the truck is started. If the remote start is unsuccessful, the remote led will flash solid red for about a sec or 2. Easy peasy to tell whether it's started. I've never had to "try" more than twice to get a successful remote start, and a second try situation happens only about 1 in 20 starts. I will say, I agree with you on the rehash of the GEN 2 Eco-Boost motor being a pretty big disappointment. This engine is easily capable of 600hp with just a tune, so why a more modest tune of 500-525 HP wasn't done is beyond me. In their defense, 450 is still pretty good, and keeping the fuel economy of 15-16mpg at that power is still pretty impressive. I would imagine a tune would have dipped those numbers to 12-13 mpg, but it would be nice to have a HP bump depending on the mode your in and keep the normal drive mode the base eco setting.

[@guillaumel.5483]

Great video man! What was the OTD price on this awesome looking truck?

[@jrnicholson70]

Adhesive is not the factory that's dealer prep.. it's there to protect during shipping. Your dealer should ensure it's taken care of.

[@nohowtoplz1]

Code orange Raptor owner here. I bought it for the uniqueness of the color and the year. People know it’s the new Raptor.

[@ChristianGrest]

I've had the same issues with the key fob, but have had those issues with other vehicles as well. No fit/finish issues with my gen 3, but had some with my gen 2, go figure. I put together a video on the 5 things I don't care for. Pretty different list honestly except for the lack of powertrain improvements.

[@miguelircontar]

So glad that people call theses companies out for paying so much and the quality isn’t their Thank you Ben

[@alfredotorres5194]

My 2014 Raptor had the dealer installed remote start, and I experienced the same exact issues that you have.

[@boomhower66]

I have a Ram 1500 with the Harmon Kardon sound system and had the same static sound issue. The dealer told me there was a software update for the amplifier. Ever since they did the update, the speakers sound great. I know you have a different sound system but that might be the issue.

[@Hamm9r21]

Hard to beat the appearance of that gen 2. There’s nothing like it still in my opinion

[@jds3535b]

I just love my 2018 gen 2. They did not do enough with this truck to make me buy it.

[@fishingwithcris8950]

This guy tried so hard to make a video, even tried to complain about a feather

[@bigbluemsp]

B&O systems have severely declined in quality over the past 10 years.

[@calebleuciuc670]

Mainly in the pick up trucks. I have an expedition with the B and O and it is amazing. It's makes the B and O in my platinum 350 sound like trash

[@cbryant1004]

This was by far the biggest disappointment when trading in my 2017 Taco (w/ factory JBL system) for my 2019 Raptor. Surprisingly, the factory upgraded JBL system in the Taco hit so much harder and was much louder than the Raptor. My 1st Raptor upgrade was a $5k JL system. THIS is the system it should have come with

[@calebleuciuc670]

@@cbryant1004 agreed, I had a 2016 f250 which is the year before the switched to the new style truck and the Sony system in that sounded better then the one in my 21

[@WoundManagementRafaelRafolsMD]

Glad I got the Shelby 775 instead. Raptor R should be a different story tho.

[@JVette01]

Very valid points! Great video Ben.

[@travism2099]

My old 2016 XLT was the absolute best remote start system! Every time and from my building at work I could start it and my partners Chevy we would have to cut the distance in half at least same with another guys compas..

[@billymc2681]

My '15 F150 XLT works perfectly too.

[@dream-_weaver4769]

Imperfections (fit and finish) happen but not for a $75k plus vehicle. Just ask Audi, Mercedes, Land Rover, Genesis.

[@Jrab23]

Hi Ben I'm driving my 2nd gen 2 and my gen 3 will be here in a few weeks. I do wish that the powerboost was available but other than that I'm excited to get my gen 3. Should I keep my gen 2? I have no interest in the Raptor R or TRX.

[@CS-ox1ty]

Get the gen 3. I traded my gen 2 for a lead foot gen 3 and I love it.

[@BenHardyCars]

Gen 3 is worth it

[@muath603]

Bro please don't talk about shifting and please stick to automatic.

[@Kaz70506]

The electronics issues you mention about dash lights, radio, etc. were due to a bad batch of third-party batteries. When the voltage drops, all the electronics flip out. Issue is not caused by Ford reliability.

[@TRX2021]

My 2019 FX4 Lariat has the Remote and it does the same thing with the Remote Start...I am looking for the Raptor 37 now but darn they are hard to find for MSRP and not above...

[@ramolifee]

Does the new Raptor offer all of the self driving features like blue cruise? how about massage seats?

[@jakes5530]

Ford really needs to make a Ranger Raptor for the next gen. All these half-tons have become so big that it’s pretty impractical to daily one unless you need to tow 6-8k lbs regularly, or unless you live out in the country with no tight parking/small lanes.

[@js123able]

February 2022! Confirmed by a teaser in the reveal event for the new Ranger a couple of weeks back. Look it up on youtube.

[@RoZaYCA]

I can sell you one lol

[@jago668]

It's just like the Toyota Tacoma. They used to be pretty small. I could reach across and unlock the passenger door with barely leaning. They were lots of fun off road because you could squeeze them through places easier (still not a Jeep but I wouldn't want to daily drive one of those). Now they are huge. I think they might be bigger than the original Tundra.

[@mikedickson1070]

Agreed man. I like the canyon and Colorado platform too. Put 30k miles comfortably on my canyon

[@MrGNX456]

Just got out of a 2018 gen 2 and right into a 2022 trx, i test drove a gen 3, the gen 3 raptor is a nice looking truck, even with the raptors upgraded interior over my gen 2, the rams interior quality materials and fit & finish is a level above. They both have a great ride. the trx street performance is on another planet compared to the raptor, i cant comment on xtreme off road. The deciding factor for me was the reliability of my raptor, i had to look at the gen 3 so I wouldn’t have any doubts, but I honestly couldn’t wait to get away from ford and the ecoboost, after driving my trx around, i will never buy another ecoboost product again, you can keep the 3-4 gallons per mile. The raptor R. will be the way to go, but knowing ford it will be like buying a ford GT.

[@kd4029]

Oh wow! I was possibly thinking about trading my TRX in for a Gen 3. Were you having the reliability issues with the Raptor engine??

[@Legos37]

My F150 remote start has worked flawlessly since I bought it in 2019.

[@Alexander450R]

Double click slower on the remote. It always works if you don't double click too fast.

[@JamesThomas-dn6ee]

I am a huge ford fan but quality control is lacking its unexceptional to have those issues it should be perfect for that price. My 2018 focus has the same issue with the remote start it drives me nuts lol.

[@adampeaslee6182]

Clickbait. You're getting really good at it too.

[@hernilsoriano4873]

Nice vid dude…I have the 2 gen white raptor lovin it

[@timz7815]

Love your truck…right at or above what I can spend. Can you fire off next two best slightly more affordable options in your opinion? Looked at Tremor, considering ZR2, regular Powerboost and Tundra.

[@auguastoadams4509]

Never even consider a chevy

[@TRX2021]

My brother has the TRX and has more quality issues than even my 19 model or the ones I've had experience with...Sad cause Dodge was making a great product until Covid...

[@masterflow101]

It's not a dodge. Omg

[@MrGNX456]

Ben hardy, make a video how the raptors dash makes plastic crackling noises when you push and pull lightly, the first thing i did when i got in the gen 3.

[@marcorenteria701]

I have a f 150 tremor with the same system and I hear the same static coming from the speaker on top with some songs. Good to know its not just mine I guess.

[@Elpatron1966]

Had a gen2, just bought a gen3 loving my gen3 way better….

[@TheJustin99]

Also why do you keep the one set of fog lights covered?

[@elprincipevegeta860]

I saw the gen 3 last week and for sure looks better than the gen 2

[@Matts000]

It’s funny you say that about the sound system, because I have heard both the regular 10 speaker B&O system and the Unleashed model. And I don’t think it’s worth the money to upgrade. It’s really not much better then the 10 speaker model.

[@brianspenner853]

what percent tint do you have on all of the windows?

[@jacobchase9757]

Don’t use wireless car play for good audio listing that’s why it’s doing that my Volkswagen does that

[@Cr5pt0Puzzl3B0x]

I like that you brought up the availability of the Raptor R. Just like the hellcat Durango. If it’s only made one year or one model year 99% will never see/ experience it. It’s very frustrating bc in a few years I would love to be able to buy one but I probably won’t be able to find one/ find one that’s within a fair price.

[@asdf51501]

And don’t forget the dealer markup is going to be insane.

[@eddiewilliams7871]

On the other hand, if you can get one, it’ll be that much more unique!

[@Cr5pt0Puzzl3B0x]

@@eddiewilliams7871 that’s a very good point!

[@jasonf70]

I was told I can mechanically add some stuff to make my 2019 faster. It's under warrenty another seven years. No point do anything right now.

[@traxxas_cars160]

My dad has a 2017 gen 2 raptor and I love it sorry you have a couple issues with your new truck

[@christophercarillo6342]

My 13 f150 platinum did the same problem with its remote start system.

[@RealestateKingThe1]

I bought it and I like it more then my trx it just feels smoother just overall good to drive. I’m not saying that there are no bad things about the raptor, there is definitely some bad things I don’t like but it’s just a fun and joyful truck to drive. Btw who else knew there is going to be a raptor gen r that everyone is talking about? 750 horsepower. Hope they bring that gonna sell my trx for that thing.

[@mikedickson1070]

Nice man. I think people forget that everyone enjoys something different. Car guys are the absolute worst. If you don’t like what they like, they will just shit all over it. Also Porsche is a good example of a car that doesn’t focus on power exclusively. Sometimes balance is better than power.

[@zesati5228]

I own a 2020 f150 and have never had a problem with the remote start.. lucky me

[@turbo_lander7301]

So typical Ford issues. I can live with them since I have been doing it for years.

[@frankiede4393]

18 f150 starts first time every-time, think the smart key issue on newer models.

[@wideopenmx850]

Meanwhile GM trucks are having lifter failures left and right with their cylinder deactivation…..I’ll take a Ford every time!

[@hellkitty1014]

I do think the GM trucks extremely premature failures(some trucks with less than 2k miles on them and I'm seeing several really low mile GM trucks for sale at the same time) is insane. But they all have their issues. Ford still has yet to correct the VCT cam phaser issue on the 3.5 for years now.

[@michaels7984]

They just released a fix for the lifter issues.

[@TheJustin99]

I like that he keeps pointing out that it’s an $80k truck yet he also owns a TRX. So obviously money isn’t an issue for you

[@cyberpaw]

what are those two infared flashing leds do?

[@codename7832]

Had 2017 Roush Supercharged F150 and now 2019 Roush Raptor and never had problem on either with remote start. Maybe you clicking it to fast 🤣 When it comes to B&O sound systems dont think for a minute you getting top of the line B&O. You getting bottom line paper cone speakers which just dont keep up as good with all the sounds as higher material speakers. Also no sound proofing inside door panels at all. Thats why all static noises etc. According to independent Dyno Testing Gen3 Raptor engine even that its same 3.5L Ecoboost as Gen2 its more refined. Test proven more wheel horsepower then Gen2 was putting on the dyno.

[@jimmyspencer4019]

I bought a new 2016 f150 back 2016 . Fords quality control on that truck was terrible. Many interior parts we crooked. I could see tool marks from assembly pressed into the plastic, body gaps were not all that great, and I also had many issues with the remote start and lock and unlock. It never worked. One of thebtechs said it was the location of the receiver on the truck at the time.

[@jerrycordova1971]

Hard to hear complaints about something I wish I could set money aside for..... but i get it lol!

[@scottcolquitt2073]

Once again...driving experience...pls bring NEW content! Do a video comparing the Raptor and the TRX off road!

[@nathanh49]

My wife's 2020 expedition remote start works everytime

[@krashnpa]

The F150 Tremor (more like mild head shaking) we just picked up has some of the same quality issues you pointed out in your video. Nice truck, but Ram has them beat on quality.

[@NoonMight]

If only they could beat them in off-roading, you know, what these trucks are made for…

[@hellkitty1014]

@@NoonMight Power Wagon much??

[@DattPaletero]

Dodge/ram interior is faded by 20k miles... seen it on every used car that is traded in

[@BroncosLife]

Lol you must have not seen the endless list of quality control issues with the trx. They’re made like true fiats lol

[@krashnpa]

@@DattPaletero I've owned two and traded two, never had that problem.

[@tomstarcevich1147]

My neighbor since may has been layed off 5 times so far this year from the Ford stamping plant in Illinois he said the workforce is demoralized 😳

[@stupid70man]

No remote start issues with my '17 Raptor.

[@FernandoArista]

When your pick up it’s out of gas, the remote start will not work. That’s why.

[@andreloshon3344]

did y pay msrp only or adm(how much).

[@BLACKNOY0979]

The more raptor vids I watch here on KZbin….. the more I don’t want it anymore…

[@isrstrategies]

also raptor r will be 100,000 plus dealer markup but a good investment

[@troy5140]

The sweet spot is 2019-2020. All cars after Covid are going to have electronic/reliability issues

[@bertrandrhule6568]

Ben you gotta clean those leafs on the floor

[@EvoJoeIX]

Who would’ve thought putting bigger, heavier tires on a truck would make it accelerate slower😐

[@longboardguy]

I would think the biggest hate should be that V6 in there still!

[@jeffjiang5272]

The red flashing light is painful even to me who is just watching the video. I can imagine how painful those flashing red lights are going to be when I am driving one

[@mattlangdale7969]

When I play The Island Boys there’s some static out of my left speaker.

[@HemiQueen]

Oh I have that remote start issue on my old 2015 f150 and on my 2017 f150

[@esqu1re]

I actually appreciate having an option with less horsepower with better mpg. Less bragging rights, but most likely just as fun most of the time.

[@scottcolquitt2073]

Ben...love your videos but to keep bringing up the decal drip...so tired of hearing about it...the "End Stitch" is actually a good thing...if that end stitch was cut...it would unravel..not a big deal...keep the Raptor videos coming...

[@auguastoadams4509]

How much are your payments

[@kenmccune8843]

Ben can't blame you getting mad

[@alxra]

for $80K, those quality issues are pretty bad. Re the music: Compare the sound with your phone plugged in with a cable and compare to the wireless connection. It's the only way you're going to improve the SQ, if that's possible at all.

[@mdw5157]

Having owned a 2nd gen, and now a 3rd gen for 2 months (35"), I have not experienced any of the actual issues you mentioned. As far as the personal hates you mentioned, well...it's personal perception, and wish you would have kept all 5 hates to actual defects (if you will) specific to the truck itself, guess you can't come up with more than 2 or 3. The 3rd gen is leaps and bounds better than any previous gen. The ONLY thing, so far, that needs improved is the android auto connection. Anxious to see your "reasons to love" the new gen 3.

[@hellkitty1014]

Well two of the hates was about the Raptor R and they were very valid. The Raptor R MIGHT only have a 1yr production run due to emissions mandate of 2025, which is the reason Chrysler has already said the amazing Hellcat will cease production. That means that truck will be virtually off limits for the avg consumer because the MSRP will be likely ^$90k+...in addition to the eventual astronomical markups.

[@mdw5157]

@@hellkitty1014 valid vs perception is key. Current hp and torque, even though the same, is an improvement from my 2017 for sure! If you're hell bent on the v8 trx...good for you! (It's the ONLY thing the trx has on the Raptor, for now 😃)

[@nappyhal]

Ben.. How is the handling? Does the truck feel planted? I ask as i own an M3 and thinking bout buying a Raptor next year. i rented a ford expedition over the thanksgiving break...and the handling was squirrely..I did not like it.. Of course, the raptor handles differently than an expedition...but i am wondering if the raptor is "similar" to an M3 (someone jokingly said a raptor is a. M3 w a lift @ 4 years ago on some forum.. Lol). I have never been in a raptor...and dont know anyone who owns one either. Curious... Thx

[@BenHardyCars]

It handles great, but way more weight and body roll than a m3

[@nappyhal]

@@BenHardyCars thx. As long as it does not handle.like the 2021 expedition..😂

[@johnbeyer7100]

Did he sell the trx?

[@damiangomez6083]

If you’re not a car person you shouldn’t even want a raptor, they are completely different in so many ways than the gen 2

[@ForGlory1]

Am I the only one still in love with the 1st Generation Raptor

[@Xposthmous]

Number one: I'll never buy a truck with a V6.

[@P4SDetails]

Ben, so you are saying the TRX is a better route? Awesome thumbnail.

[@BenHardyCars]

I still need to do the offroad comparison

[@NissanTy]

Ford is pushing the ecoboost engine so hard that I truly do not think personally the raptor R will be built. IF it does, I'm expecting a higher output poweboost hybrid to power it. High performance v8 ford trucks are over

[@bcelectricc]

Just like the hellcat engine is done . Dodge just put it in everything to get the last word in.

[@lrod8692]

Accelaration will be fixed once Cobb releases their AP for it

[@leonardlora721]

if I would buy a new raptor I would customize the front to put the 2nd gen front light it looks better for me

[@user-tu7rr1zg4b]

I have 15 platinum same key issue

[@TheBandit13]

I'm just gonna run the piss out of my 2018, Gen 2 802A. Then maybe trade it, in a couple years on a 2024 Lightening, once they are perfected.... 👌

[@Suprise24]

My 21 raptor does the same thing with the remote start

[@masterflow101]

That's ford quality I don't see the problem.

[@CrumResearch]

What is the capacity of the fuel tank?

[@moaeenalnamerRR]

33 gallons

[@BenHardyCars]

36 with the raptor

[@gmf62v84]

No one buys a truck for good fuel economy

[@vaughnsangalang7934]

then you should get a raptor R when it comes out

[@bluelinebuild6807]

5 Things hate about Ben Hardy 1...Complains about the 5 things he hates on a veh most people can only dream of. 2....Ben can pull off prescription glasses 3....Ben has a better camera then me 4....Ben has a better personality 5....Ben hasn't legally added harhar to the end of his last name.