501st Journal #7 - Coruscant: Knightfall

This is the seventh cinematic scene from Star Wars Battlefront 2. In better quality.

[@s-094cam5]

He should have gotten an award for this journal entry alone.

[@s-094cam5]

The only clone voice(s) he did were the one(s) recording the journal entries. The rest in the campaign and free play were all other voice actors.

[@jayive34]

@@s-094cam5 He's also the announcer in Space Battles. And Jango.

[@Soosph0id]

@@jayive34 dude when I heard his voice in the Mandalorian you have no idea how excited I got

[@alexdoesstuff9439]

Now he gets his own show

[@Bane520]

I know this was 5 years ago but fuck, put your bias to side will you? Its not good voice acting

[@Demospammer9987]

The first half is the best journal entry in the game.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Demospammer9987 and how it finished "Not a word."

[@CptRexFilms987654321]

One of the best cutscenes ever

[@floridianrailauto9032]

I actually prefer the cut scene that plays when you finish the campaign

[@vxdra]

next to heart of darkness

[@MC1Keever]

KF is better than heart of darkness, which is still amazing, third in my opinion only to Hoth

[@Twocoolman115]

I'm jealous of temurea morrison's voice.

[@CameronKiesser]

Great that we have voice synthesizer ai now. I'm totally going to try to get his voice synthesized.

[@fanta1618]

Cant like cuz you have 666 likes im sorry

[@thesecondromuluan8216]

@@fanta1618 Not anymore. Execute Order 667.

[@Mathiakle]

Yeah republic commando would have been more awesome if he voiced all 4 squad members

[@loyalcompanion2104]

Yeh I love the British accent

[@SithArbiter1157]

The clone trooper narrating this sounds a little bit like even though he had to follow orders he feels some guilt and regret for having to do this. This shows that while they were made to blindly follow orders, they were still human.

[@alecdegraaf442]

That's the point sergeant.

[@butterflyjill6887]

That's because most of them did. Most loved their Jedi generals.

[@OptmiusPrime114]

ButterflyJill This makes me hate Palpatine much more!

[@WTFiamabanana]

Which is why I hate the "brain-chip" storyline. It's so annoying. Fascism is a product of Human ideology, not some "brain-chip". The chip retcon cheapens the dramatic effect of order 66 in my opinion.

[@isaacrodriguez4773]

Good Soldiers Follow Orders.

[@NHLman27]

The fact that they had Morrison himself doing the voiceovers sold every narration in this game

[@kernowpictures2002]

Yeah and in my retelling of Disney’s Moana her father Tui. Is this disembodied narrator. Comforting his daughter.After he was a bit mean and park at her for throwing away to Tefiti’s heart. mistaking it for a Kyber crystal

[@burnburn1270]

When I was little I never noticed how good the name "Knightfall" was for this mission

[@CameronKiesser]

1. Being at night. 2. Destruction of the Jedi. 3. The fall of Anakin Skywalker.

[@Kxy2x]

Because jedi knights Knight fall Jedi fell

[@Icelandic_Sand]

It's also the fall of the Republic, the last night of the Republic

[@hunteractual1857]

If DICE could even come close to this mission, they might have a good game.

[@octavianhughes4493]

BasicallyHunter or had a campaign at all lol

[@boy_scouts_for_life6803]

BasicallyHunter they could skip the stupid book cases

[@kabob0077]

Boy_Scouts_For_Life Fuck those things, man.

[@ColvyMolvy]

backed so hard lol

[@LimeTimeHD]

Spoiler: They failed at doing just that.

[@captaindreadnought212]

Battlefront 2: hey kids have you ever committed mass genocide? Kids: no?? Battlefront 2: would you like to?

[@mandolorian162]

Cue airport mission in CoD lol

[@V2011F]

@@mandolorian162 remember no Russian

[@wulfengel]

Little kid me kind of did like that mission, 10 year old me was thinking "yeah, let's take out those pretentious Jedi, prancing about practicing magic" It was cool to play as the bad guys in that game.

[@AnakinTheWeird]

YEAHYEAHYEAHYEAHYEAHYEAH!!!!!! :::::DDDDDD

[@jaegar2786]

Fuck yeah I would!

[@muslimprophet]

What I remember about the rise of the Empire, is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts, any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word. - Clone Officer

[@miguelcastillo537]

Lo que yo recuerdo acerca del surgimiento del impero, es lo callado que fue. Durante las ultimas horas del las Guerras Clon, la legion 501 fue secretamente transferida de regreso a Curuscant. Fue un viaje silencio. Sabiamos todo lo que iba a pasar, lo que ibamos a hacer. Teniamos dudas? Pensamientos secretos de traidor? Tal vez, pero nadie dijo una palabra. No en el vuelo a Curuscant, no cuando la orden 66 se dio, y no cuando marchamos hacia el Templo Jedi. Ni una palabra. -Oficial Clon.

[@giovanicampanini189]

@Viper Hareous now translate into italian

[@zeroconda]

Z tego co pamiętam z powstania Imperium, to to jak ciche to było. Podczas ostatnich godzin Wojen Klonów, 501-szy legion został dyskretnie przetransportowany z powrotem na Coruscant. To była cicha podróż. Wszyscy wiedzieliśmy co się stanie, co mieliśmy zrobić. Czy mieliśmy jakieś wątpliwości, jakieś osobiste zdradzieckie myśli? Możliwe, ale nikt nie odezwał się nawet słowem. Nawet podczas lotu na Coruscant, kiedy wydany został rozkaz 66, nawet wtedy gdy weszliśmy do Świątyni Jedi. Ani słowem. - Oficer Klonów

[@biggestwanderer8827]

I would like, but you have 501 likes.

[@cipherxi8513]

All I can think of is an old Clone Captain, serving throughout the war and during the civil war, explaining his experience to some passerby in a cantina somewhere in the outer rim.

[@3Dusers]

How he says Coruscant is just beautiful. Not on the flight to Courscant Not when order 66 came down And Not when marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a Word.

[@MasterChief1001000]

This was the greatest mission in all of Star Wars games, because you can finally commit the infamous Order 66, and kill all the Jedi.

[@Darkness93]

Star Wars 3 PS2 did an awesome job on this level too, much more in depth and great gameplay. This cinematic though has so many feels.. beautiful

[@MasterChief1001000]

Since both Battlefront II: Rise of the Empire and Episode III: Revenge of the Sith PS2 came out the same year as the film, they succeeded in the greatest Star Wars military mission

[@bowlingpin3092]

​@MasterChief1001000 Early 2000s star wars games are just peak all around. BF2, Rots game, Empire at War, Kotor 1 and 2

[@aMilling]

Man battlefront 2 was such a good game

[@RAFMnBgaming]

This one anyway.

[@timelordvictorious5508]

Still is

[@ilikeexxs]

Watching episode 3 right now and just appreciating how well they nailed most of the maps tbh. What a killer game :')

[@GlobalOutcast]

As much as I love the clone wars order 66 scene, I think the idea the clones knew about order 66 the whole time is a lot more interesting and could have offered a lot more interesting scenarios rather then just the clones becoming mind controlled due to the chip

[@zooms6316]

Thought I was the only one

[@berdogaan7284]

Not really, it doesn’t make any sense that these clones who have bled and bonded with the Jedi would all just still go ahead with the orders to just gun them down. If anything, it reduces them to just living droids who choose slavery and committing genocide over loyalty and righteousness which is less interesting cause they wouldn’t be individuals at all. No offense, but I think interesting to you is just cool and “badass” instead of complex or human.

[@thespacecowboy4124]

@@berdogaan7284 good argument but you could make a case that it actually makes them more complex. The clones new about order 66 as a contingency plan but never actually thought they would need to do it. Then the mother fucking senator class them all in and says for the safety of the republic the Jedi need to die. Since it's the senator they can't really say no so they attack their former allies. I like this explanation better than some measly chips

[@tylermonson4088]

In the Clone Wars animated series they touched on the fact that they new about it through a story arc and one of the more well known lines in the series mentions the "mission" being over as a clone dies. (Not leaving names and being vague for spoilers sake)

[@thespacecowboy4124]

@@tylermonson4088 that's cool. Which episode was it

[@TeurastajaNexus]

Temuera Morrison is the true voice of clone troopers. His voice should have been used by every clone in this game.

[@CameronKiesser]

Good thing we have mods.

[@toxicman9128]

That final statement always gives me goose bumps. “We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. *Not a word.”*

[@funnybone6149]

Describing the rise of the empire being so quiet is a incredible detail that most stories don’t add. Like how something smelt, how the air felt. To describe the slaughter of a entire faction as being so quiet, that no one saw coming or even thought was coming, is perfect

[@hermanossaldivia]

Order 66 and the end of the clone wars were also mentioned to be quiet in the Revenge of the Sith novelization by Mathew Stover: "Order 66 is the climax of the clone wars, not the end. It's not a thrilling climax, it's not the culmination of an epic struggle or the conclusion of a heroe's journey. It's just the opposite, the clone wars were never an epic struggle or a heroic journey, they were never intended to be. And that is how they end... Quietly"

[@preciousotoakhia9789]

​@@hermanossaldiviawhat if order 66 failed how will revenge of the sith novelization go about it

[@nosepickerultimus]

2005 was such a good year for Star Wars, Episode 3 movie and its game, Republic Commando and Battlefront 2 You had to be there.

[@perkilatorxiii5179]

Don’t forget the original LEGO Star Wars

[@song6771]

I much preferred the "Mental Conditioning" concept over the Inhibitor Chips that the show gave us. I can see what Filoni was going for, and its still a neat concept, adding an almost existential horror to the Clones, but I still preferred the original idea of them knowing all along, even as they had no personal issues with the Jedi. A far more "Good Soldiers follow orders" explanation than the machine-made brain tumor.

[@CecilyThanador]

To be honest the chips were a kind off necessary addition because of how the clones and their relationship with the Jedi were portrayed in the newer media. Every clone having a complete individual personality wasn't really something in Legends: Commanders, ARC-troopers and some commandos started to have this but the basic troopers were way colder and also much more aggressive. Not quite flesh-robots as they still showed emotions. Their default behaviour was akin to Post-Chip-Activation-Clones we see in Bad Batch for example. The relationship with the Jedi was also way more strained. Some Jedi generals were more in line with Krell who is portrayed as an exception: Using the clones in a callously manner and some did not even see them as full beings. I would like the chips to have either a higher failure rate or simply being an emergency button. Someone like Bacara probably doesn't have any scruples against killing Ki-Adi-Mundi and doesn't need any chip. Meanwhile Commander Wolffe would probably resist the chip with all his being.

[@dennis.edich1998]

I like the old Canon more as well. The majority of clones did not have personal contact with the their Jedi generals past maybe directly speaking regarding orders leading to a far weaker bond on average than what many people assume. This is primarily due to the Jedi propensity for emotional and Personal detachment, which the clones all took note of. Think of their relationships with the Jedi as being closer to Pong Krell than Anakin Skywalker or even Plo Koon. Than we add two more factors such as a lot of Jedi being illegal suited as generals and suffering inflated casualties because of it or being outright abusive of their troops and then the fact that the clones are heavily conditioned on both the genetic and upbringing levels to think a certain way and be loyal not to the Jedi but to the Republic meaning the Supreme Chancellor. This is reflected in the fact that ARC-troopers, who did not have the same conditioning done to them and were much purer copies of Jango Fett, had a tendency to refuse Order 66 at higher rates compared to Clone Commandos, who were subjected to the Standard array of mental conditioning. Then to put the cherry on top of this whole tragedy, the clones for as far as they knew, even the ones with Jedi they respected and cared for, with only few exceptions, legitimately thought the Jedi were conducting an unjust coup against the Republic and that what they were doing was for the greater safety of the institution they were born to defend. They didn't know Palpatine was a Sith, they didn't even know wtf that meant (what a Sith is at all) and they certainly didn't know the coup in question was little more than a posse of four Jedi masters going to deal with Palpatine. And this is a swallow dive into the reasons. And it is a much deeper conversation that places far more agency and meaning into each clone's decision to not follow the order than these stupid chips ever would.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

​@@CecilyThanadorindoctrinated soldiers are far more dangerous than a chip controlled soldiers

[@shaggystoner5235]

I loved the 501st journal

[@Nick-md2bb]

It was the best campaign ever

[@Shamy_Cartoons]

They really didnt speak a word. Even this version of Anakin in game doesnt make a peep. Really cool. Just a silent murderer. Best story mission in game I swear

[@maxharasen6548]

when I first played this part, I was crying the entire time.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

Max Harasen I know how you felt!

[@sssweetnesss3483]

MrPete8680 kamino was worse...

[@ravenwhiteduck2982]

Yeah this one kamino and mustafar was pretty sweet

[@Nick-md2bb]

This music just gives me nostalgia. The campaign was beautiful for a game in 2004

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@sssweetnesss3483 brothers 2 the end!😢

[@CrimsonGuard1992]

This is canon to me and always will be

[@LeonardoCBRuiz]

and it may well be canonical, with no error of continuity, the chips were an important part of his betrayal, but even with the chips in the brain, the clones are still human and it must be fucked up to kill the jedis and not feel guilty during the act

[@GunRecon]

No. The 501st legion was never on Utapau or Mygeto. They were under the command of Skywalker the entire time. It wasn't even Canon when the game came out.

[@randall172]

@@LeonardoCBRuiz what do you think he means by "quiet traitorous thoughts", the chips aren't needed, the tragedy of the clones is that they are pawns who have no agency, agency that palpatine gives them by wiping out the jedi and giving them the freedom to choose to fight for him.

[@ulty1472]

@@GunReconTCW Fanboy spotted.

[@GunRecon]

@@ulty1472 Dude, even the movies don't work with BFII's storyline.

[@sentrysapper45]

Everyone's talking about the pre-mission narration (for good reason, it's freaking excellent), but I also love the post-mission segment. Watching the transition from Republic tech to Empire as the Imperial March quietly sneaks its way into the background gives me chills.

[@svenrio8521]

I know right? It's great seeing the transition from the Republic to the Empire, absolutely stunning symbolism.

[@centuriosupernumerarius1625]

THIS WAS SO GOOD. It makes Order 66 so much better and more tragic. The introduction the inhibitor chips watered it down. Here we see soldiers, who follow orders despite their moral conflict, we see and hear this conflict. Later on, the clones got dehumanified.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

The non chip clones remind me of omni-man

[@hermos3602]

The inhibitor chips ruined Order 66. What are you talking about?

[@janehrahan5116]

you're agreeing with op@@hermos3602

[@kylele23]

“How quiet it was” really sums up the empire’s plan. The entire prequel trilogy is Palpatine’s manipulation coming to a peak, the Republic was doomed from the start and they just didn’t know it. Revolution didn’t come with another war, or toppling the government. It already changed to the Empire under everyone’s nose. The massacre of the Jedi is something that got twisted by public view into a necessity rather than tying up loose ends.

[@preciousotoakhia9789]

kinda has captain America winter soldier vibes in it

[@Firehaben]

"What I remember about the rise of the Empire is... is how quiet it was..." Dave Filoni took full advantage of that and belongs in the hall of fame. It all ended, quietly.

[@averagejoe7767]

Dave Filoni fucked up with the Inhibitor Chip bullshit though

[@spookytanooky]

@@averagejoe7767 Stay mad.

[@oscarjohnson2130]

@@averagejoe7767 Nah I think the inhibitor chip thing was a decent addition. I think it makes more sense as to why every clone turned on a dime. I understand the point is supposed to be they're perfect soldiers so when they're given an order like that, they follow it immediately but in the end that doesn't add up once you take the Clone Wars into account, the friendships they've made, the bonds they've shared. Honestly I think the chips make Order 66 more horrifying; the idea that your close friend could literally be put into factory reset with a key word.

[@DeadManAnimations]

@@averagejoe7767 thank you, fuck him for that

[@dmonleon24]

@@oscarjohnson2130 i think chips could have been done better though, rather than it be JUST for order 66, they should have a chip for 100 different orders, that way it’s more believable

[@niganb8269]

The transition from clones to stormtroopers gets me hyped every time. Simple but effective story telling.

[@T13HS]

The new Battlefront looks awesome, but I just wish it had a campaign mode. "Rise of the Empire" was too good.

[@poisonarrow2255]

And it's $120 and half of it is multiplayer

[@CT_Taylor]

+Poison Arrow 98%

[@markovsergeyovich6792]

+Taylor F. Fucking right

[@Jackt750]

Lone Wolf well guess what they're gonna have one now! BF2 coming soon :D

[@UnchainedEruption]

Jack Taylor BF2 looks so bad.

[@Stardweller1]

Anyone else notice how when he gives his opening narration, every syllable seems to be DRIPPING with regret?

[@dkb201998]

Now that you mentioned it...

[@growingupgold]

Knight fall always was the saddest level in battlefront

[@octavianhughes4493]

Growing Up Gold yeah... call me a Legends fuckboi but I liked it better when they actually had a choice, although the chip is tragic it just doesn't have that same umpg

[@dennis.edich1998]

Well. Clones, who refused to execute Order 66, were either imprisoned or sent for execution

[@user-oh6eg4ny3h]

One of the most infamous examples of clones disobeying orders was ion team. Ion team refused to kill the Jedi and this pissed off the empire so much Vader came and killed members of them and sent the rest to prison

[@dennis.edich1998]

@@user-oh6eg4ny3h yes. But the Ion-Squad was a group of Clone Commandos. This type of clones were bred with independent genes and had special training that allowed them to think more independently and be more individual than regular clones. And with that independence, they mentally had the capability to disobey Order 66.

[@user-oh6eg4ny3h]

@@dennis.edich1998 alright then if not clone commandos trooper then ARC clone trooper maze then as a non commando example. I can see Rex in legends not following the order since he was no longer in command as it was given to appo

[@PANCAKEMINEZZ]

Hey remember when Order 66 had some nuance and intrigue around it? You know... Before that hack Filloni decided to dumb it down by saying "yeah brain chips did it"... This one cutscene is better than the entire 3D show's Order 66 arc.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

Unfortunately, Lucas came up with the chips

[@preciousotoakhia9789]

​@@EternalEmperorofZakuulwhy

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

@@preciousotoakhia9789 don't know. Ask him.

[@preciousotoakhia9789]

@@EternalEmperorofZakuul love they name"Knightfall"

[@kingorange7739]

@@EternalEmperorofZakuul Actually he didn't.

[@pwner332]

With the fall of triple A titles and the elimination of traitorous companies, EA's rise to power was complete. In recognition of our service and loyalty to EA, Lucas Arts was placed under the direct command of Lord Disney. Armed with deadly new loot boxes, blazing new in-game transactions, and shiny new graphics. Our presence let the world know that the days of old classics were well and truly over. We were establishing a new era, an era of disappointments and failure.

[@Nechrostriker4]

"Something I remember about the sale of Star Wars is, is how quiet it was." "During the waning years of Lucasarts, a detactchment of George Lucas was discreetly moved to Disney. We knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do." "Did we have any doubts? Any private, traitorous thoughts? Maybe so, but no one said a word. Not when we landed at Disney. Not when the sale was made, and not when Mickey Mouse came in." "Not a word."

[@artix13x95]

You guys are truly civilized people.

[@oklin2376]

Thank you for this

[@indeedthatguy]

**Insert shia labeouf applause meme**

[@Mac14329]

@@Nechrostriker4 Can we PLEASE stop demonizing Mickey Mouse? He had literally nothing to do with any of this.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

I remember when i..... when i first played this mission.......i was like, "oh my God! I'm going to kill the Jedi?!" My boyhood dreams where going a mile a minute! i was happy & sad! I felt like Anakin! Conflicted! i had to take a break after the mission!

[@qtarokujod3401]

When i first played knightfall, i soon realised how hard was killing jedis

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@qtarokujod3401 Emotionally i mean!

[@scorpion40k]

Never really liked the Jedi so it was easy for me.

[@snakeguy8646]

Just these 4 comments summarizes the thoughts the clones had during Knightfall tbh, some regretting what they did and feeling conflicted, others ready to do it eagerly, and some who just didn’t know how to even react to what happened

[@bradmorales4002]

I didnt care for the clone emotions. I cared about playing. I felt nothing.

[@samalvey8168]

I hated having to do this mission, being forced to murder Jedi. But at least it showcased just how much of a hellish fight the Jedi gave the clones.

[@davecrupel2817]

""Tonight, the fall of the Jedi is at hand. We have been directed, by the highest authority, to wipe out the insurgent Jedi Order, that threatens our great empire. Our first objective is to capture the council chamber. Lord Vader will be our field commander. Let's keep the chatter low and move out."" Having grown up with the prequals, I spent my early childhood loving the Jedi Order. Wanting to be like them. Wanting to be a force for good. Etc. Etc etc. When I got to this mission for the first time, I was shuddering with fear. I was betraying the order that I loved. The Jedi I respected. When the initial cutscenes played, I got more and more nervous. And then that opening speech from the field narrator came on..... _"Tonight, the fall of the Jedi is at hand..."_ I had to quit and put my controller down. I didn't have the stomach to do it the first time. I will forever love this game.

[@xxvipermanxx4696]

Your pathetic

[@PlasmaPhi]

The game is back along with it's prequel game in: Star Wars Battlefront Classic Collection!

[@rolltidechris]

Who is here after the announcement that Battlefront I and II are being relaunched?!?

[@ddm_gamer]

Me!

[@gustavogusfring4129]

Me✋🏻

[@melkhiordarkfell4354]

This is why I hate those stupid brain chips. He was "Just following orders". A perfect representation of what the clones were, they were pawns of the Empire from the day they came out of the test tube, the war didn't matter, they just followed orders until the day came when they were given the only order that Palpatine cared about. To them it was just number 66 of the 150 preplanned orders, they didn't consider "why" they had that order planned, or discuss "what would you do if they ordered number 66 on our Jedi Gneeral?". It was an order, they would do it as ordered, and when the dust had settled and the bodies lay dead, the only excuse they needed they were "just following orders".

[@onemanarmy2electricboogalo687]

Exactly

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

@@onemanarmy2electricboogalo687 Palpatine in that new lore hates the chips

[@TheAusugn]

This is 100000% better than the chips in their heads

[@dennis.edich1998]

Hell yeah it is 😁

[@fuzzyotterpaws4395]

Anakin's Dark Deeds is so powerful and such an amazing song

[@dieselface1]

"Execute Order 66." "Yes, Lord Sidious."

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

"Did we have any doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps but not a word was said." This is why I dont like the Inhibitor Chip retcon. The Clones knew what they were doing, some had regrets.

[@hermos3602]

Yes this. The inhibitor chips were a mistake. They were created to "fix" a nonexistent problem.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

I find clones who do their actions due to years of indoctrination scarier than some chips than can easily be removed if found

[@dennis.edich1998]

​@@EternalEmperorofZakuulyes definitely. I love the original version of Order 66 and the clones in general much more, when the clones were genetically modified and totally indoctrinated to be absolutely obedient and loyal to the Republic and Chancellor Palpatine above their relationship to their Jedi generals and when orders were orders. And they also knew about Order 66, they weren't actively waiting for it to be issued, but they were totally aware of it. That is the true slave army of the Republic, not the individual characters with hopes and dreams and being mind-controlled by some bio-chip to guarantee their loyalty to their true purpose, which is Order 66. TCW completely missed the point by portraying the clones the way they are in this show. The clones did not need that much humanization. Why did the clones that were genetically modified, raised and indoctrinated for war and carry out the orders of the Republic need that much humanization? Clones are strictly ideologically precessed beings. The chip only spoiled the whole ideas of the clones, which plays very stupidly. It's kind of a shame people think clone troopers should follow TCW's flawed simplistic ideas of what the clones are and not thinking about how little sense it makes in-universe and that the original version is way better.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

​@@dennis.edich1998like Omni-Man and the guardians of the globe

[@TheyWantMeGone69]

@@dennis.edich1998 Well put. They mirrored the CIS battle droids almost. "I'm sorry sir, we're no longer required to follow your orders" a good quote from the ROTS game.

[@peanutmoose9591]

I feel as though this was meant to be Commander Appo's personal journal.

[@ulty1472]

Couldnt be Appo was killed Kashyyyk i believe a year after RotS, bro got his head cut off by some jedi smhuck Vader lamented this saying he was actually quite fond of ole Appo.

[@CKMS234]

Temuera Morrison‘s Maori accent… wonderful voice for narrating.

[@GreatFox42]

Even though they fought with the Jedi, they fought with each other for far longer. The clones all had sentience. They were far closer to their comrades that fell than they were to their Jedi generals. Plus, they -are- soldiers. Even if they do feel and think for themselves, they are trained to follow orders regardless of their own opinions. Order 66 was implanted into them when they were first created.

[@spartan1010101]

“What I remember about the rise of the Empire is, is how quiet it was…”

[@ksoddball]

What I remember about the rise of the empire was how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Gallic Wars the XIII legion was discretely transferred to cisalpine Gaul. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen. What we were about to do. Were there an doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not in the March through the alps, not when we crossed the rubicon, and not when we marched into Rome. Not a word.

[@Starwarsfan1253]

Please continue this.

[@KrisK66]

The only mission that sent chills down your spine

[@CharredTurtle]

2024 and I'm glad I've found this again. This part always gave me chills!!

[@veronicatoothpaste8576]

I hate the whole inhibitor chip thing clone wars added made order 66 so much less sad. It makes a much better story to think about the clones hating the jedi over their failed attempts at playing general that none of the clones would question or resist order 66

[@romualdcaffeserre6230]

personally i kinda like it. It fits with the theme of an army bred to obey order. And besides, it makes more sense. If this just a story of disliking the jedi, then it would be wierd. I mean, ALL of the clone hating simultaneously the jedi, without a single deviant one? Even though many jedi were cannonically good general? Someone would have snitched, a brainwashing makes much more sense.

[@randall172]

@@romualdcaffeserre6230 the clones aren't going to kill other clones following orders, if there is one thing they can all agree on they are loyal to each other first. their relationship to the jedi is meaningless, as it is one of a superior "group" over an "inferior" group. groups can only ever be truly allied with equals. and order 66 was in a long list of contingency plans, the US has and continuously updates invasion plans for most major countries (Canada/mexico/EU etc). when you have a large organization you don't leave things to chance, you plan ahead for EVERYTHING. it makes PERFECT sense, if you understand how GROUPS (not individuals) of human beings work

[@romualdcaffeserre6230]

@@randall172 The clone have been shown to have different personality and mindset, they are not ants, and neither are humans. Even if 99% of them are loyal to their group, there is always going to be a 1% of outsider, clones who differ from the norm. That 1% is enough, if only one of them go snitching or mention it by mistake the jedi will know and the whole sith plan will fail. With the brainwashing it stops being a risk. The clones are brainwashed, they dont know the order exist, and therefore they cant make a mistake. it's way more intelligent than just asking 2 millions clone to keep a secret from the superior they have learned to obey and respect. Also, i'm sorry to burst your bubble, but you are wrong, it is totally possible for a group of inferior individual to devellop a sense of respect and loyalty towards their superior. Case in point: our society.

[@randall172]

​@@romualdcaffeserre6230 the order wasn't special, it was hiding in plain site right next to the order to seize the chancellor etc. while Sidious had a goal, there wasn't a defined plan, but a series of emergent events that he capitalized on (mace trying to kill him), those events game him the opportunities he wanted. and it is not possible for a group to ever unite with another group on the premise that they are superior (when they aren't).

[@romualdcaffeserre6230]

@@randall172 "the order wasnt special, it was hidding in plain site?" So there was a specific and detailled plan to kill every jedi in the galaxy, and no one ever got worry about it? "order 64 is for calling planetary assault, order 65 is for tactical retreat, order 66 is for slaughtering all our commanding officer at once." Do you realise how ridiculous that sound? "palpatine had no plan" arhem: starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Plan "and it is not possible for a group to ever unite with another group on the premise that they are superior" around 99% of all human society and state were and are based on this very specific premise, including our own. open a history book, or read the journal.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

A crime the 50 1st journal is no longer canon!

[@alexkazhdan]

I know, right? The inhibitor chip idea is crap. This is so much better!

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@alexkazhdan Disney done it again! The 501st is no longer Vader's legion!

[@floridianrailauto9032]

@@TheMrPeteChannel What do you mean?

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

@@floridianrailauto9032 The 501st is no longer Vader's personal legion! It's now just called the 1st Legion!

[@floridianrailauto9032]

@@TheMrPeteChannel Sources? I don't believe it

[@jorgealarcon7061]

Can’t believe how good this game was, this way of narrating the events it’s one of best I saw in a game. If only Dice would have implemented that style in a WW2 game...

[@wulfengel]

I much prefer this Legends plot of Order 66 to the new Canon "Inhibitor chip plot", here the Clones or at least the 501st know the endgame by Mygeeto. They know of the Chancellor's "Superlaser", they say "keeping Mundi in the dark wasn't easy". On Felucia they say about Ayla "wanted to make a point of seeing us all off personally, said we were the best damn soldiers she'd ever fought with, it was a good thing we were all wearing helmets... Because none of us could bear to look her in the eye..." This is all before Anakin even finds out about Sidious' real identity! the Clones knew the endgame before Anakin did! Just think about that, they really did knowingly betray the Jedi they fought side by side with for three years... They knew, they kept it from the Jedi, they played their part as 'Kingmakers' to bring about a New Order. One that the Clone in the campaign later proudly remarks will be an era of "Order and peace", the "Republic" Clone troopers are at the start of the Imperial era, the ones who first embraced the "Peace and Order" slogan of the Galactic Empire. (This is why I love Legends and absolutely love this old but golden game.) And it's all narrated by Temeura Morrison, wether playing as Boba or Jango Fett or a Clone trooper, he's just the coolest character on screen. Plays off betraying the Jedi as "just another day in the life of a Clone" in this Battlefront II campaign, it's why I loved it, you play the bad guy and the character himself knows it and likes it. "We did secretly enjoy putting down the odd uprising" or something along those lines, in the cutscene right before Naboo is conquered. They knew and they went along with it, even in the prequels it is shown or at least hinted: - When Cody is informed of Order 66, he says to the AT-TE to "blast him" referring to Kenobi scaling the cliff off to the side of the battle, that gun fires almost instantly after the order is given. It's already pointed in the direction of Kenobi and only needs to adjust slightly for elevation, it's aiming way off away from the battle, pointing at a bare cliff face only Kenobi is in that area. That gun was tracking Kenobi since he departed from Cody and his men, waiting for the signal, "Blast him" which is so casually delivered by Cody. -When Yoda is attacked by the two clones, one is off at the back and receives a communique from Sidious and addresses him literally by his Sith name not as "Chancellor", he then walks up to the scout trooper stood right behind Yoda and nods at him. The scout trooper is not given a communique, he would've been overheard by Yoda if he had been given one, the scout trooper is given no order by the one who did receive the communique, he's just given a nod. A signal, a que. Like they were briefed beforehand and the scout trooper was stood, waiting in position to take the shot, just waiting for the nod. It's just dark when you look at it that way... -Same as the Jedi on a speeder bike, the two (I believe) 91st Recon troopers on bikes accompanying her, look over to each other and nod like "yep I got the call, lets do it". If there were inhibitor chips, each clone would receive the order through their helmet and just act right then and there, not pre plan and co-ordinate and nod to each other in a scheming way. I think the Clones knew, through the final stages of the war, the last few months. I think they knew. At lot darker plot to the New Canon Inhibitor chips one. Also the Bad Batch's "battle of Kamino" is another point of New Canon I dislike, it is where Venators fly over the cloning city and just blow it up, betray the Kaminoans. Which I think is a weak plot to just paint the Empire as "wall to wall overtly so understandable a kid could get it", bad and evil. Can't we have a morally grey villain? Or does it have to be so black and white? Rebels pure good Empire pure evil?... I don't like how the animated shows portray the two sides of both the Clone Wars and Rebels, and is why I haven't watched much at all of each show. They are entertaining, but the story they build for the overarching plot leading into the original trilogies and the story of Star Wars as a whole just overwrites too much of the old story. "Creative liberties"... Whereas in Legends the Empire doesn't just blow the entire city to pieces, it's not even them who start the battle as such. The Kaminoans breed new batches of Clones to fight the Imperial clones and start an uprising. The Clones, now fighting as Stormtroopers but who are still the exact same veterans from the war underneath, are sent in to quietly and unofficially put down the uprising. They land on the planet and take over the city via ground assault, securing the advanced tech of the Kaminoans and retaining a usable city in the process. Instead of just blowing it up for the sake of "evil guys bad look we'll show you" - Standard Disney plot. Yeah they're evil, I can see that Disney, but you've made them absolutely dumb just like you did the droids and it makes the villains a pain to watch instead of being entertaining. It's cringe at times especially with the battle droids, "who can feel physical and emotional pain" (the droid giving up to Anakin saying it's hopeless in such a depressed way, the droid who gets his "eyes" scalded by steam and jumps back screaming "my eyes!" in pain...) It just makes me feel sorry for them and makes me want them to win because the "good guys" just abuse them like they're nothing and for a kids show it's just weird, the films never did stuff like that apart from R2 burning those two B2 battledroids alive aboard Grevious' ship. In the animated shows the good guys are written as such goofy 'goody goody two shoes' it annoys me because they, in the same breath as that, brush off decimating a Star Destroyer of twenty thousand crew or throwing a battledroid "with feelings" around the room like a ragdoll. Just abusing the enemy for a joke like it's nothing because "oh they're evil so who cares" -Standard Disney plot. Which is why I don't like the new animated shows and the new Canon stories they're making. They're just strange, they're entertaining, but when I analyse it there's a lot of stuff that just doesnt fit for how I imagine Star Wars to be. I suppose I should apologise to the animated show fanboys and girls, sorry kids, nothing personal.

[@dennis.edich1998]

I totally agree with what you described there. Finally someone who also noticed that the clones in ROTS can never be under the influence of the Inhibitor chip due to how they deal with Order 66. And I also find the Legends version of Order 66 just as more exciting and darker when it was one of 150 emergency contingency orders the clones were taught as part of their training on Kamino.

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

Inhibitor chips are retarded

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

@@dennis.edich1998 Far too often, clones and stormtroopers exhibited unseemly moments of free will. Star wars secrets of the sith

[@FRISHR]

“Armed with new deadly weapons…that’s pretty much useless since we always miss our shots” -Stormtrooper

[@hermos3602]

You've clearly never seen the Original Trilogy.

[@trianglemoebius]

Everyone talks about how Knighfall is a great name, but can we talk about how great all the mission names were? In order: Among the Ruins (Mygeeto) Desperate Rescue (Space Coruscant) Heart of Darkness (Felucia) Line of Defense (Space Kashyyyk) A Line in the Sand (Kashyyyk) Underground Ambush (Utapau) Knightfall (Coruscant: Jedi Temple) Imperial Diplomacy (Naboo) Preventative Measures (Space Mustafar) Loose Ends (Mustafar) Changing of the Guard (Kamino) Prison Break (Death Star) Birth of the Rebellion (Polis Massa) Recovering the Plans (Tantive IV) Vader's Fist (Space Yavin 4) Revenge of the Empire (Yavin 4) Our Finest Hour (Hoth)

[@wb7585]

I love how this implies the clones knew all the contingency orders. So for the entirety of their unit to be transferred back it was the worst case scenario in their heads.

[@VegetaLF7]

Back in the day that's what it was. All the clones and the Jedi themselves were aware of the contingency orders because that's what they were, contingency orders.

[@hermos3602]

That's because they were aware. Now with the Clone Wars series, it got changed to them having inhibitor chips controlling them, like sleeper agents. I honestly like both versions.

[@wb7585]

@@hermos3602 they has the chips or some type of trigger. In both just they were aware of the orders in eu. Like majority of time only select clone commandos resisted the order. Thekr was also one clone battional that straight up thought the order was a trick. So ignored it as well. Vader has to go deal with that after his reconstruction

[@hermos3602]

​@@wb7585I take back what I said about the inhibitor chips. They were a terrible idea that shouldn't have been made.

[@maki85107]

​@@hermos3602 Lmao, what made you change your mind?

[@buckky9870]

This voice over is better then all of what Disney has done

[@jkljoshh]

"What I remember about the rise of the Empire is… is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip; We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word."

[@xxvipermanxx4696]

Yes we have ears thank you

[@TerminatorGundam300]

Kreia/Darth Traya: "It is such a quiet thing... to fall. But far more terrible... is to admit it."

[@owennakamoto4391]

Not a word was spoken. Not a word.

[@shadow3572]

This was by far my favorite mission in the campaign. Just how chilling and haunting the narrators tone is, coupled with the grim music. It was amazing all around

[@stds4harambe513]

I still have this game and can play it whenever I want I just started the campaign last week

[@Zachcraftone]

Ngl makes a tad bit more sense then the chips. As they knew from birth what they had to do, also makes the clones who disobeyed seem stronger as well. Like the chip gave them no choice at all, and no way to fight it. While as being conditioned from birth the strongest managed to fight off their entire purpose of life and gain independence.

[@user-oh6eg4ny3h]

Yes this makes this timeline makes the story more tragic. Clones choosing to betray the Jedi rather then it being the chips. It feels like a personal betrayal. But in a sense makes clones more heroic in not following there brethren path of following order 66 but instead chose to disobey order 66. Ion team comes to my mind cause they literally disobeyed the order and it pissed off the empire that they sent Vader to capture them and ion team told Vader the same thing that order 66 was not Necessary

[@dennis.edich1998]

Wasn't Order 66 just supposed to be a "Just in case" scenario in Legends? I mean, wasn't Order 66 just a contingency order out of 150 that the clones were aware off, but actually weren't actively waiting for it the entire time?

[@user-oh6eg4ny3h]

@@dennis.edich1998 yes order 66 wasn’t a secret, the clones knew it existed but weren’t like planning on using it. They just thought it was there, the chancellor even tried to hide suspicion that he was a Sith Lord by creating order 65 which would be a order for clones to remove the challcenlor but however the Sith Lord put in the law that most of the senate has to support the law to consider the leader unfit for duty but because sidious controlled the senate that order 65 would be impossible to enact which made order 66 an easy law to enact. The same clones that easily followers order 66 would’ve easily followed order 65 because they are brainwashed to follow orders.

[@dennis.edich1998]

@@user-oh6eg4ny3h right. But in ROTS, there are some Order 66 scenes, that give me the impression the clones knew it would be executed shortly before they got the call. I'm not saying it's a fact, but here are some examples: - When Cody is informed of Order 66 by Darth Sidious, he says to the AT-TE to "blast him" referring to Obi-Wan scaling the cliff off to the side of the battle, that gun/AT-TE fires almost instantly after the order is given. It's already pointed in the direction of Obi-Wan and only needs to adjust slightly for elevation, it's aiming way off away from the battle, pointing at a bare cliff face only Obi-Wan is in that area. It kinda looks like the gun was tracking Obi-Wan since he departed from Cody and his men, waiting for the signal "Blast him" which is so casually delivered by Cody. - When Yoda is attacked by Commander Gree and a scout trooper on Kashyyyk, Gree is off at the back and recieved a communique from Sidious. He then walks up to the scout trooper that stood right behind Yoda and nods at him. The scout trooper is not given a communique, he would've been overheard by Yoda if he had been given one, the scout trooper is given no order by Gree, who did receive the communique, he's just given a nod. A signal, a que. Like they were briefed beforehand and the scout trooper was standing in position, waiting for the moment to take the shot, just waiting for the nod. It is just dark if you look at it that way... - Same as the Jedi on the speeder bike: the two (I believe) 91st Recon troopers on bikes accompanying her, look over to each other and nod like "Yep, I got the call. Let's do it".

[@user-oh6eg4ny3h]

@@dennis.edich1998 sidious must’ve told high level clone troopers to be ready for order 66 before it became official, he must’ve told the clones moments before windu and his Jedi came in just incase windu kills him. Either that or that was just a movie error

[@tylercherry465]

Anakins dark deeds

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

In a way, I feel like this speech still works with the chip.

[@jetfoxhound3432]

Given how Rex was acting when the chip took over in ‘Shattered’ I can see many of the clones having ‘private traitorous thoughts’ despite being under the influence of the inhibitor chip.

[@nemesiszer0708]

JetFoxhound34 Yeah, a lot of people really hate the chip story but it makes sense and it’s not like they contradict each other or anything.

[@TheAwesomeDarkNinja]

@@nemesiszer0708 I feel like they used to because they made it look like the chip puts the clones in a trance when given the order. Like the clones turned into robots and lost their personalities. But it is definitely interesting to see in the fact that the clones are still "themselves" but just hopelessly brainwashed.

[@nemesiszer0708]

TheAwesomeDarkNinja And then some clones like Rex were able to fight it just a little

[@randall172]

@@TheAwesomeDarkNinja why do they have to be brainwashed? there is a kind of irony with the march on the jedi temple, a former slave leading slaves to freedom with a march on the original slave master's house, and after they were done palatine gave them the freedom to choose to fight.

[@Mark-ct9kw]

Alright, who’s here after watching the latest clone wars episode... It’s sad to think that as Rex is hunting Ahsoka down Anakin is probably murdering the younglings...

[@jetfoxhound3432]

Probably the ones Ahsoka helped train in ‘the Gathering’

[@nemesiszer0708]

Mark 2100 I think the attack on the temple is a few hours later

[@m.otoole7501]

What I remember about the rise of the Empire was just how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars a part of the 501st Legion was discretely transferred to the 332nd under the command of Ahsoka Tano, and sent to besiege the world of Mandalore. Our mission was simple: capture Darth Maul and return him to Republic custody on Coruscant. What we didn't know was that the Chancellor had other plans for us. Did we have any doubts? Any traitorous thoughts? Maybe. But no one said a word. After all, we were good soldiers. And good soldiers... follow orders. *** Remarkably, I managed to reach an escape pod and flee the Venator as the traitors Tano and Rex sent the rest of my brothers plummeting to their deaths. A part of me wishes I was with them. Those men were more than soldiers. They were my friends, my comrades, my brothers. When I finally returned to Imperial space, I immediately enlisted in the Stormtrooper Corps. I owed my fallen brothers at least that much.

[@nemesiszer0708]

M. O'Toole Nice, just one minor thing though. When you said “A part of the 501st legion”, technically it was removed and changed to the 332nd legion. But whatever I’ll shut up.

[@Mark-ct9kw]

M. O'Toole hey that was actually amazing man, I can just imagine that being in the game itself

[@uramoon4618]

For in engine cutscenes, the visuals and slow motion look great. They really made the best out of everything they had back in the day.

[@t800doctor]

The opening reminds me of when in oblivion you have to storm the dark brotherhood sanctuary and kill everyone in sight

[@dasovietunion3370]

even over a decade later this still sends chills down my back...

[@emmanuelhoyos1469]

I think they need to make a movie based on this mission; the 501st marching into the Jedi temple for order 66 and make it pg-13 and make it emotional. Use the content from this journal entry and it would be amazing!

[@boy_scouts_for_life6803]

emmanuel hoyos that would be worth the money, but we just need to get the idea to them

[@username9175]

Actually in Star Wars Celebration George Lucas came out and said Star Wars was for 12 year olds.

[@emanuelhoyos1030]

Pinga6 I'm 24; to be honest, idk why I wrote PG-13 when I wrote this comment, I must've been distracted; what I meant is they should make the movie dark and gritty because it's a genocide basically

[@Chips96]

About a week earlier i played the battlefront 2 campaign with my brother in splitscreen i literally had chills running down my spine. I had a feeling the game whould end in about 4 minutes. But i was good at the game i was just scared

[@quasarone3083]

THIS is what the prequels should have been. Revenge of the Sith has a tiny touch of this atmosphere and that's why it's regarded as the best prequel. The atmosphere in this is so unbelievably chilling!!!

[@dieselface1]

This is a war game where you play a normal soldier. The prequels are movies about the fall of the Jedi and the Republic. So there's a reason for why the prequels have mainly Jedi and politician characters, because they're relevant to the plot. If the prequels were just war movies following clones, sure, you'd see the Rise of the Empire, but you wouldn't know at all how or why it rose. Order 66 would probably seem to come out of nowhere and wouldn't make much sense. Revenge of the Sith is considered to be the best prequels really because the plot was more focused and the younger actors really finally got into their roles well.

[@quasarone3083]

@@dieselface1 I'm not saying the prequels should have followed the story of soldiers in battle, i meant that they should have had this atmosphere. The prequel were so bland and this scene just has so much character and this really sad atmosphere and it has the tone the prequels should have had

[@randall172]

@@dieselface1 he's saying that this game had a more adult feel to it, whereas the movies have a kiddy feel to it.

[@OxifiedTV]

This mission was probably the hardest thing I ever did in a game. Defending the bookcases the last time I played it, it was on like one more hit and its gone. I camped right on top of it hoping no temple guard or jedi jumped ontop of me and I won. Edit: How the hell did this get 30+ likes?

[@Cpt_Grimm]

DeadlyOxBlood it wasn’t until a few months ago that I found out you can actually repair the bookcases with the Engineer’s fusion cutter. Idk why I never thought of that lol.

[@BartyCrease98]

I thought tantive IV was harder couldn't find princess leia

[@CameronKiesser]

I can beat the entire game in about an hour or less, but when I first played it, it was so hard. Got harder every mission. Now I know every weakness and exploit and it's so easy. The healing of the library makes it so easy.

[@OneBoredCatbug]

Them damn bookcases die too fast, before you even go to the library at least four or five bookcases are gone already.

[@OneBoredCatbug]

@@Cpt_Grimm But if you can just do that then why is it an issue to lose the bookcases? Just kill the Jedi first and repair the bookcases but the game says no, kill Jedi and repair or defend bookcases. And sometimes they're all gone before you can do anything.

[@eddietasker9110]

The first half of this is one of the greatest journal entry in gaming...

[@TemplarBlonic]

I still prefer the severe cult-like indoctrination of the clones in the EU, as there was still accountability for the clones that definitely would have gone turncoat... as much as I love the Clone Wars show, the inhibitor chips just don't do it for me. What's better? To be irreversibly, uncontrollably evil, or to be able to change your evil ways and break out of your conditioning through sheer will and reasoning?

[@scottyhook33]

Instead of the chips the biggest tragedy used to be that the clones, despite being good friends with the Jedi, loved the Republic more, and even if they had those private traitorous thoughts they would never betray their brothers, their only family.

[@Adam4s]

*dip dip dip dip dip*

[@Nicksolo85]

"Save it for the enemy!" "Knock it off!"

[@alvarobazan7683]

Congratulations for doing the logical thing and watching this after seeing episode 11 of the clone wars.

[@example2844]

The 501st Journal is easily the best part of this game, and I consider this to be the greatest game ever made

[@doriansmith2459]

The Republic is the empire

[@shadowprogram215]

NoooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOo

[@TheFacelessStoryMaker]

I love how it's spelled Knightfall instead of Nightfall. Nice little piece that adds some cool factor.

[@mauriciomongoy2025]

"What I remember about the rise of the empire was… just how quite it was" After seeing the ending of The Clone Wars, this makes so much sense. 😢

[@EternalEmperorofZakuul]

Until the chips come up

[@lukeryan1934]

Chilling. The first half is one of the best journal entries I’ve ever heard.

[@CaliGTPT99]

Not word.

[@dennis.edich1998]

Do most of the descriptions I will give here apply to the Grand army of if the Republic from the EU?: The Jedi use a slave army of genetically identical men with only limited independence, but being extremely good in their roles as soldiers, to fight the separatists during the Clone Wars and relied on them over time. They feel uncomfortable with the blind obedience in the clones but became dependent on them since the Jedi cannot fight the separatist droid armies and militias alone. I think in the EU, clones did not form bonds with the Jedi so easily, the majority at least. So most Jedi and their clone legions only keep a professional relationship during the course of the Clone Wars, which does nothing to counter the dislike the clones have to the Jedi and that's why the unhesitatingly follow Order 66 because there is no other choice for them than the state. I mean the clones don't betray the Republic they swore loyalty to for leaders they do not like that much. Only few clones and Jedi were really close to each other, such as Aayla Secura and Commander Bly, so in this case, some clones of a specific legion either tried to save their Jedi general during Order 66 or killed them as quickly and painlessly as possible, such as Bly and the 327th Star Corps did with Aayla, as they didn't want her to suffer. The clones were basically sleeper agents for the Sith. They showed up extremely conveniently at the beginning of a galactic wide war without any knowledge of the Jedi Order beforehand and the Jedi were tricked into leading them into battle, thinking the separatists and their droid army were the Sith-cause and not realizing that the Sith (Chancellor Palpatine) in actuality were leading both sides the whole time. The reason Count Dooku publicly revealed/showed himself as a Sith Lord is to misdirect the Jedi. Even if the clones were more like organic droids and more receptive to oders, some of them still expressed some sort of individuality as exemplified by their penchant for using nicknames among their brothers instead of their standard alpha numeric designations as well as later in the Clone Wars sporting different hairstyles and even tattoos. These type of clones were often viewed as oddities. The clone army fought alongside the Jedi for 3 years but in reality served Chancellor Palpatine. By orchestrating the Clone Wars and making public think the Jedi were the true villains of the Clone Wars who brought chaos to the galaxy, trying to overthrow the government and having just survived a Jedi ambush in his office against 4 Jedi masters, he tricked everyone, especially the Clone army into thinking the Jedi really betrayed them and that's what makes him so much smarter than relying on some brain-chips like in TCW. He manipulated both parties, the Jedi and the clone army and when Order 66 was issued, both the clones and the surviving Jedi each felt betrayed by each other and none of them (really) realized that they were actually manipulated by the same guy. And because of the kind of relationship the Jedi and their clones had, the clones don't become as much humanized as in TCW and (naturally) remain much more droid like and unquestionably receptive to Palpatine's orders. In the EU, the clones had free will, because they weren't brainwashed and mind-controlled but indoctrinated (take the people of North Korea as a real life example, they have free will seeing they aren't mind controlled but they are thought to obey and don't know how not to). They were also genetically modified to be more obedient and less independent than Jango Fett (as mentioned in AOTC). So it's in their genes to obey the chain in command above everything else, which is of course Chancellor Palpatine. From birth, the clones were trained to be one cohesive unit and fully dependent on a command structure. So if a higher ranking officer gave them an order, they followed it. But they were able to think negatively of the order but they were so indoctrinated that they just followed orders due to them not realizing they had the choice to disobey. This is why Palpatine actually made the Jedi generals during the Clone Wars, because simply said the Jedi were arrogant and were terrible at leading armies. The bad choices of many Jedi led to a large number of pointless casualties. And mistakes aside the Jedi were more then willing to sacrifice clone lives seeing they were considered less seeing they were not part of the natural order of the force. Because of these character flaws and lack of military experience the clones started to resent them and were more eager to execute their orders (and the jedi). They were pushed their whole life to memorize the 150 contingency orders they were taught during their training on Kamino, including Order 66, besides their training to prepare for the battlefield and in combat. When Palpatine issues Order 66, he doesn't explain the details of the order. He gives it and expects every clone commander to know about it. in "Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader - Part II: The Emperor's Emissary" Vader is even tasked to hunt down Clones that disobeyed. In it Palpatine says: "Contagion brought about by fighting alongside the Jedi for so many years. Clone or otherwise, there is only so much a being can be programmed to do. Sooner or later even a lowly trooper will become the sum of his experiences". This was especially true amongst the Arc-Troopers and Clone commandos, who were less heavily indoctrinated so they can function more independently than regular clone troopers when cut off from the command structure. They were also bred with more independent genes and had a more intensive training for their roles during the Clone Wars, which allowed do act more as individuals. As specialists they needed it. And with that level of independence, they actually had the ability/were mentally able to disobey Order 66. Back to the regular clones: An inhibitor-chip from TCW can be removed from a clone's brain and he will suddenly disobey Order 66 but in the EU, indoctrination (and also genetic modification) since birth is very difficult/challenging to overcome.

[@marinescu0511]

That first half i will remember forever, so amazing

[@axcelc5204]

This brings back so many memories. The nostalgia is killing me 😭

[@walnzell9328]

In the old EU. The clones were brainwashed. There were no chips.

[@BlyUehara37]

The old EU was more realistic

[@battledroid8010]

@@BlyUehara37 Not really, some clones Loved their generals, and to just be brainwashed is stupid "Oh look an old man told me to kill My general, guess i'll just do it, screw My past memories with the jedi"

[@randall172]

i wouldn't call it brainwashed, they did what was in their own best interests. the jedi attempted a coup, the clones put it down, and were given their freedom under the empire (agency of choice).

[@holidaypunch6621]

@@randall172 And then They were replaced with humans and died of old age and not fighting like They were bred for

[@randall172]

@@holidaypunch6621 they were freed, and given the choice, the Jedi would just have them fight to their deaths, under the sixth they had the choice to start their own families.

[@GrembloTV]

This was my favorite mission in battlefront 2! I remember first playing and getting chills from the narration. They really don't make games like this anymore.

[@Nick-md2bb]

This campaign was fire. This was my favorite mission. It gives me child hood memories :40 my favorite part

[@dennis.edich1998]

I love the original version of Order 66 and the clones in general so much more, when the clones were genetically modified and totally brainwashed to be absolutely loyal to the Republic and Chancellor Palpatine above their relationship to their Jedi generals and when orders were orders. And they also knew about Order 66, they weren't actively waiting for it to be issued, but they were totally aware of it. That is the true slave army of the Republic, not the individual characters with hopes and dreams and being mind-controlled by some bio-chip to guarantee their loyalty to their true purpose, which is Order 66. TCW kinda missed the point by portraying the clones the way they are in this show. The clones did not need humanization, why did the clones that were raised and indoctrinated for war and carry out the orders of the Republic need that much humanization? Clones are strictly ideologically precessed beings. The chip only spoiled the whole ideas of the clones, which plays very stupidly. The clones are supposed to be like what they are in the EU. It's kind of a shame people think clone troopers should follow TCW's flawed simplistic ideas of what the clones are and not thinking about how little sense it makes in-universe and that the original version (Indoctrination and genetic modification) is way better.

[@ulty1472]

and then filoni added those stupid chips

[@dennis.edich1998]

No. He added much more space for independence for the clones, which led to the creation of the inhibitor chip.

[@The_Punisher]

George as well

[@Bill_Oddie_Face_Mask]

Legends Knightfall: What I remember about the rise of the Empire is… is how quiet it was. During the waning hours of the Clone Wars, the 501st Legion was discreetly transferred back to Coruscant. It was a silent trip. We all knew what was about to happen, what we were about to do. Did we have any doubts? Any private traitorous thoughts? Perhaps, but no one said a word. Not on the flight to Coruscant, not when Order 66 came down, and not when we marched into the Jedi Temple. Not a word. Canon: InHiBiToR cHiP gO cLiCk

[@isaiahmiller3180]

The music in both entries is just perfect with the dark tone of the narrative.

[@ArmyofTwoBot]

I remember when during the Knightfall mission on the PS2, once Anakin came, there was a bug that would not allow him to use his lightsaber. The only way to get passed it was just use the lightsaber throw or just hope it didn't happen again.

[@CharuzuAutomatonArtificer]

Can you imagine? Being ordered to kill those who had been fighting by your side? Or even just a whole organization of people in general. The mix of emotions running through that soldier's head would be hell

[@NotNykoh]

That humming at the beginning always sends chills down my back

[@royalknight3665]

It was a good thing we were wearing helmets

[@TheRoguePrince0]

what i remember about the rise of the empire is the waiting. the god damned waiting.

[@captainjunior3522]

2024 I’m ducking excited for the rerelease!!!

[@evanstern1682]

Here after clone wars 😢

[@quadnodsarelife]

i miss the game so much😣