5090 / 5080 Launch Aftermath: It’s My Fault - Tech News Feb 2

[@chrisbennett7178]

No wonder EVGA left the market if this is how bad Nvidia was going to get

[@caled6913]

I used to exclusively buy EVGA. They were obviously geniuses.

[@zivzulander]

The behemoths like MSI and ASUS will probably be fine, but you can imagine the smaller GPU AIBs as well as computer SIs may see a substantive drop in component and PC sales when enthusiasts become disinterested due to poor availability and pricing, especially now with tariffs on the table. Businesses will continue to upgrade for things like Windows 10 end-of-life or for AI, but there are going to be a number of PC gamers who become disinterested in getting/building a new PC.

[@masterpainter78]

I miss my EVGA Classified S motherboard, got eaten up by a flood. Ended up replacing it with z690 Dark Kingpin, man I had the board a really long time that really lasted a good ten years since I got it.

[@wanglelife]

So smart to cut their losses

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

EVGA did the right thing - Nvidia should stop selling to 3rd party builders and just release their own cards. No more Asus, Gigabyte, MSI, etc.

[@EXOWill]

Time for us to ignore over-priced garbage and use the older components that I believe most of us have sitting around to create fun and creative builds.

[@photonboy999]

I got the TOP card or close for a long time. HD3870->HD5870->GTX680-> GTX1080 (1080Ti wasn't out yet) Then the RTX20 series and crazy prices (not all NVidia's fault) and I thought "meh, my GTX1080 plays my games well" and when I was willing to upgrade for the RTX40 series I couldn't justify a high-end card anymore. I went with the RTX4070 and plan to just stick with the catalogue of games I have now. If a NEW game needs more than my RTX4070 to run well and look good... I won't buy it.

[@Bananazz.z]

​@@photonboy999 you think it's because of the resolution? You game from way before there was a push to 4k, so the high end being seen as unneeded is a blessing

[@EXOWill]

@ I agree, my most current system is also using a 4070. I have four systems in my office and they all run games just fine. One 3070, 6700xt, and an A-750 for my grandkids to game on after school. They love hangin' out with Papa lol.

[@lukilladog]

Right, I decided that I wont upgrade card this year and only changed the case, CPU cooler and fans, all cheap cooler master stuff. Nvidia can keep their 8gb cards for themselves.

[@lukilladog]

Good advice, I have 10tb worth of games that I want to play and fly on my current setup. We need to stop for a moment and think better how we spend our money.

[@dazzlerweb]

we need GPU generation, not frame generation.

[@TheGalacticIndian]

We need new competitors for NVIDIA. Absolute power corrupts absolutely🤦‍♂

[@Zeroksas]

NVIDIA can get away with it because average user won't see a difference between frame generation and raw performance in image quality on most of the games.

[@sodadrinker89]

The problem with that is Moore's Law is dead, and we're reaching the limits of what Silicon can do.

[@TheDuzx]

The reason they had to go with frame generation is because we didn't get a node shrink and they're already making the ships as big as they can. Hopefully chiplet GPU's will become more of a thing because that could unlock more performance, but the fact that it has taken so long for GPUs to move towards chiplet based architectures may indicate that there are some issues with it.

[@dazzlerweb]

@@TheDuzx does that explain limited availability?

[@chrisvanhorn]

I just want to build a computer, man. Now I need to look into paying for a bot? Or wildly refresh a vendor’s website daily at 9AM? It’s so exhausting. Just let me pay the fucking money and get in line, and ship it to me when you have it. I don’t care if that’s in two weeks or two months. It makes no god damn sense at all. Why wouldn’t they just offer this if supply is going to be like this?

[@paullucci]

Agreed! This shit is needlessly painful.

[@68WCombatMedic702]

I know I'm in the same boat. Really discouraging for my first build. Have everything I need but the GPU. I'd have said screw the 5090 and just gotten a 4090 but Nvidia had to screw that up for us too didn't they. I'm honestly at the point I'm probably just going to go with AMD and get a 7900xtx.

[@drunkhusband6257]

@@68WCombatMedic702 I'd just buy a refurbished or used 4090 at this point.

[@EddieMcclanahan]

​@@68WCombatMedic702 yeah those 7900xtx are $1500 now.

[@zackrichards981]

@@68WCombatMedic702 That's what I did just a week ago! Nitro Sapphire.

[@space.raider.2271]

50 series was the worst possible launch if you think about it - unhinged marketing hype, lukewarm hardware, near zero availability. I mean the only way it could get even worse is if the cards start bricking or setting themselves on fire.

[@Rave-agent]

We can hope.

[@puppiTube]

think about it

[@dominiclopez9950]

And now Tariffs on top. The cherry on the icing.

[@dissident112]

It was fine for society's haves. If you're in the top 10% who collectively have 93% of the world's net worth, going to ebay to toss around $5000 for the newest card is no big deal for you. Humanity is ultimately a plutocracy.. the wealthy get the goods first and those on the bottom get it later on. Wait your turn.

[@tonydalimata]

It's still early, wouldn't be out of the ordinary either.

[@Kaz302755]

Has anyone else address the part that this is a compounding problem? For clarity - There have been countless videos and forums that agree that on launch the 4080 was 74% more expensive than what could be explained by inflation alone when compared to other flagship/ 80 series cards of previous generations. Essentially the rug pull here is that they have gotten everyone used to such high prices for GPUs, and now for the same price you're effectively getting one lower tier / series in a new generation. Honestly i think most gamers can't wait until any other brand makes something competitive enough to give Nvidia the middle finger at this stage, its just a pity that AMD is complicit and not able to make anything comparable, and that intel is still in early phases.

[@Deliveredmean42]

Not entirely, don't forget the debacle of the 4080 just being a 4070 happen delaying the cards and such... which sadly it happen again with the 5080, so in a sense Nvidia learn nothing and want to maximize money as usual for less.

[@Hybris51129]

"...its just a pity that AMD is complicit and not able to make anything comparable,... " That is the thing that people need to wake up on. Everyone keeps thinking that AMD is some sort savior because Nvidia is "the devil" but the moment you bring up the record of years of underperforming hardware from AMD and how they have opened the door and unrolled the red carpet for Nvidia to do as they please people lose their shit. We have a duopoly in the GPU market so nothing is happening in a vacuum.

[@HasturBeta]

@@Hybris51129 So here's the thing, this problem is NOT going to fix itself from consumer action. It's just not a reality. If this is going to stop then developers are the ones who need to take a stand first an refuse to incorporate nvidia features in their games etc . Or hell, Imagine if Microsoft out of nowhere decided to treat Nvidia an its driver development the same way Nvidia treats linux.

[@Hybris51129]

@@HasturBeta Kind of hard and stupid to lockout the GPU company with by far the largest market share and piss off the majority of users who aren't interested in the GPU debate under most circumstances. Doing a lot of self damage for questionable effect against Nvidia.

[@Perverius]

@@Hybris51129 Agree and wanna add that last gen AMD had competitive product (at least to 4080) but made nvidia style paper launch with nvidia style pricing. AMD has proven to be the same kind of company driven purely by profit so the only hope now is intel which has reputation to repair so profit might not be the main driving factor.

[@JohnDavidSullivan]

I'm just so done with new hardware releases. Im done with hype and I'm done with reviews for things you can't physically get.

[@EagerEagle65]

It is the rat race that I hate more, I’ll wait a year but I’ll buy with dignity.

[@had0629]

how has anyone been hyped in the past 5-10 years? its been shit

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Yeah I so feel this and I wonder how many others do too? I have a 4090 but I love new GPU's so I was interested in the 5090... however here in Australia they are priced at AU $4000 to $5700, which is absolutely absurd. Oh and of course they were all sold out instantly to scalpers (I assume) and on Ebay immediately afterwards at insane prices. So I am taking stock and realising my 4090 does everything I want with ease and do I really need to waste that much money for ~20 - 30% more? It seems perhaps I am better to just sit this one out and I feel maybe this launch could backfire on Nvidia

[@Zetler]

This is why GPU reviews are trash. They’re always wrong.

[@mooncloud6563]

Call the wahhbulence

[@AirGunWeb]

Have you seen the pricing for RTX cards on eBay lately? It's like we are going back to GPU shortage days. Cheers Rick

[@IRLguy777]

I hope this whole Deepseek thing tanks Nvidia stock enough to where they have to actually start appealing to consumers again.

[@JohnPadgettDigitalStudios]

one can hope

[@scottgardiner7418]

Naive. Won't happen. NVIDIA is no longer a gamer/consumer focused company.

[@arturoreyes5220]

@@scottgardiner7418if Deepseek starts destroying them more they might not have a choice but to look at gamers again and possible create a virtual gaming world to save themselves!

[@markhackett2302]

The current stock will still be in the hands of scalpers hoping to sell off to desperate not-have-ums at twice the price they paid.

[@PXAbstraction]

​@@scottgardiner7418They stopped caring about gamers well before this current AI bubble. Gamers are a rounding error to them and will continue to be indefinitely. I really hope AMD reconsiders opting out of the high end this generation.

[@dmac7128]

its funny how that works, the lack of competition leads to higher prices, less innovation and mediocre products.

[@Sunny-i8d6y]

AMD is not keeping up....

[@dmac7128]

@Sunny-i8d6y Not on CPUs. Their top line gaming CPUs trounce Intel's offerings. Plus they reduce the need for an overpriced over hyped graphics card that costs more than the entire cost of a gaming PC.

[@cluclo]

@Sunny-i8d6ythey could keep up, but they have no financial reason to as long as people keep saying “b-b-but raytracing and fram generation”

[@ShroudedWolf51]

Yep, definitely not happened in very recent history with Intel through the slurry of Haswell and Devil's Canyon, Broadwell, and the myriad of Lakes.

[@sg5184]

Why are people lined up outside best buy then? Same reason they launched this dog water generation.

[@brent225]

crazy retail prices outside the us. NZ listed for $5600 = $3200usd... Its disgusting

[@DavidGotelli710]

Lol you could do a 7900xtx and Ryzen 9 build for that

[@トヤマトカナワ]

@@DavidGotelli710 and buy a used car for a change )

[@Kaztrofy]

Here in Sweden 5090 is 30k or more, which historically is around 3k us $

[@AD-sg9tr]

NVIDIA simply adapts to what the consumer is willing to pay. Consumer behavior shapes the market.

[@alpercimen1227]

Asus astral Rtx 5090: 4000$ in Turkey

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

At this point it’s more realistic to start a KZbin channel, become a tech “influencer” and get new NVIDIA GPUs as review samples than just being able to buy them as a regular end customer.

[@Starscreamious]

4:46 If after 3 years of crypto mining Best Buy/Newegg etc cannot deal with A SINGLE CARD LAUNCH then this is not an accident. They're doing it on purpose.

[@SomeNameGoesHere]

If they know in advance they only have 100 cards to sell, why would they spend any money at all to make a smoother purchasing process. On a return on investment basis, I couldn't justify more than about 5 lines of code to just stop responding to all new requests 30 seconds after launch.

[@scottgardiner7418]

What's their motivation. A sale is a sale to them.

[@billpii6314]

They can only sell what Nvidia sells to them and they didn't have many. Not sure how you figure they are doing it on propose but I think you are dead wrong.

[@wayneallinson4925]

Am sure alot of stores/online stores are keeping them for themselves to sell or keep, meaning they have none to sell.

[@DerekHansell]

Best Buy tries to thwart scalpers AND do not care if scalpers get the cards simultaneously.

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Remember 2019 with a Radeon VII with a then brand-new and highly priced TSMC 7 nm node and 16 GB of expensive AF HBM2 memory for way less than USD 1,000?

[@andersjjensen]

Or when the RX 580 was the first 8GB main stream card.... for $220.

[@iamdickel8574]

The 5090 cost 4000 on our retail local store, the store are the scalpers, lol

[@xnoreq]

Why do people complain about capitalism working as intended? LOL.

[@Elixir9]

Anyone buying at those inflated prices deserves to be ripped off

[@puppiTube]

@Elixir9 Not everyone is poor .. some people have spare millions. So, a couple grand? That's like not bending over to pick up the dropped quarter.

[@sheeplord4976]

@@xnoreq The scalpers are simply NVIDIA's way of justifying jacking prices. They are doing the same strategy as the diamond industry. It is the result of a monopoly.

[@dissident112]

@@puppiTube Exactly. People not part of the top 10% will never understand this. Nvidia should just charge $5000 themselves rather than giving it to scalpers. Lower the price by 10% per month until the lemmings can afford it.

[@robertmajors1737]

I hope scalpers bought up all the 5080's and have to return them all so people get open box prices on them.

[@theweekendgamer6294]

Bless your heart

[@firstNamelastName-n4s]

You saw all those idiots camped out at Microcenter right? Gamers would have to not buy any of these cards from scalpers for that to happen. Most people are uninformed and don't keep up with anything and assume the new generation is better and buy Nvidia on brand alone. Unless the masses educate themselves it's not happening.

[@SicariusGaming87]

We should all "buy" the cards and then claim they didnt show up and get refunds. Stick it to the companies.

[@Paelmoon]

Yeah, I think tech reviewers got 90% of the 5080 and 5090 stock nvidia made.

[@latinlowrider59]

Funny how the reviewers are pretending to complain about paper launch when they all have multiple cards

[@albossniper]

@@latinlowrider59 i mean they should complain about paper launch and it makes sense they do. their ultimate goal is not to get their hands on the latest GPU, theirs is to review and maintain viewership / retain community. Communities falling out due to situations like this also hurt their revenue stream in the long run whether be it general viewership or sponsorships. it's completely within their interest to complain about this paper launch

[@leeroyjenkins0]

​@@latinlowrider59what argument are you even trying to make?

[@xnoreq]

@@latinlowrider59 Pretending? Are you ok? Because reviewers only review for themselves and other reviewers and completely ignore the entire market. Right. What's your IQ?

[@jarihaukilahti]

Fake inventory by nvidia and fake expectations , i assume huge latency just as their fake frames at nvidia production line - does any of these yoututbe sites have any clue on why ??? -they just repeat the same or are nvidia sectrets just as in soviet russia eg really hard to come by and if told hard consequenses fot the traitor - they really have no clue or insight - I could have a youtube channel and repeat socalled news

[@05DonnieB]

7900 XTX is now sold out everywhere. Still going strong with my launch model.

[@thomasneedham1512]

I was considering a trip to Micro Center and then, from 8 in stock to 0 in advance of the 5090. Smart folks got ahead of NVidias nonsense.

[@r21174]

wow good for 7900xtx, wonder if scalpers bought out them also just to have more options to sale. The 7900xtx was a good buy with most of them being under $1000 retail..

[@MuahMan]

I bought one last month for $839. Still takes 3rd or 4th place in 95% of the comparisons I see. So top 5 performance for 1/5th the price of a 5090.

[@timothygibney159]

Good. AMD needs to do another Intel to Nvidia and make them more honest

[@kaizerlock8287]

On 1 hand hand, I want to be angry at 5080's performance, but on the other hand, I just saved $220 by sniping a used 7900XTX.

[@pelvist]

Good luck with ray traced games which are becoming more and more common now on your ex-crypto mining card that you saved $220 on. 🤡

[@cluclo]

I got to sell a 4th owner 7900xtx for $800

[@deeomayall]

Be angry. If the 5080 was half decent, you would've saved double that amount. The prices in the used market are insane exactly because the best value cards are *still* Ampere and RDNA2!!!

[@ShroudedWolf51]

I bought my XTX nearly two years ago for the same price as the 5080 and am very happy with my purchase. I didn't expect I'd have a card that can sometimes match the second strongest card of NVidia's newest generation.

[@forbiddencookie4350]

Hey Paul, I just discovered your KZbin channel and I thought your face was familiar, and then I remembered in 2012 when I built my very first PC it was your “How to build a PC” video on Newegg that I pretty much solely relied on to get my rig up and running, and the one I largely credit for getting me into a lifetime hobby of mine, glad to see how much you have grown in the space !

[@cruz1ale]

I bought an RTX 3080 for 760 euros (incl 24% VAT) in 2020. That was the most expensive GPU I had ever bought. Four and a half years of inflation later, that's 900 euros today. For that money I could just about get a 5070 Ti which is really a 5060 Ti hardware configuration wise. So after over four years of waiting, the same amount of money will get me a card that's two generations newer and two tiers lower, offering a whopping 30% improvement in performance. What a time to be alive!

[@DavidGotelli710]

The key of thumb is only upgrade your GPU if the GPU you wanna buy is 100% faster. Only 30% after a couple generations you still got a couple generations to go lol

[@cruz1ale]

Or I can pay 7 euros for lossless scaling on steam and double my frame rate with the downside of increased latency and artifacting. Hmm, choices, choices...

[@cruz1ale]

@@DavidGotelli710 Yeah 100% would be great. In the past I've settled for 50-70% as well and not regretted it, but that was when the price tags were cute and little.

[@katanakiri]

I only say 7900xtx 😉

[@cruz1ale]

@@katanakiri A 7900 XTX is 1000 euros and offers 50% more performance. Still not very exciting, more like an absolute bare minimum that I might consider a worthwhile upgrade after 4 years of hardware evolution... if buying used (because it's last gen at this point)

[@evolve777]

I went to the Tustin Micro Center yesterday in the late morning to go over my components for a new build. As soon as I parked I saw people waiting in line just to get the vouchers that reserve them so that when they are in stock, they get priority.🙄

[@3_letter_animal]

5090 is about $5000 where I live. My 3060 Ti doing a great job so no rush for me.

[@fohhee]

1K for a 70 card is crazy

[@ccayco]

Ive only gone through three nvidia launches, but Im already over it. There's so much complaining about the card prices and low gains from previous gens for hardware that we can't even get. Nobody should be giving up days of their lives and fighting for the chance to give thousands of dollars to a company that intentionally made things difficult.

[@Sc2God724]

Well if people stopped buying from scalpers this problem would be solved and look what happens with the ps5 pro people didn't buy them and the scalpers had to sell at a lower price then msrp

[@seaneriksen2695]

Love my 7900 xtx. Got it for 800 dollars.

[@andersjjensen]

I bought mine for full price a few weeks after launch and I don't regeret a thing. 2 years later I still frame cap many new titles at max settings. This card will last me another 4 years, for a total GPU-expense-per-month of $14.

[@shipsey2]

Why do companies launch a product without inventory when they know demand is going to be high I don't understand

[@Hybris51129]

The real question is why is there not a way to order these cards and be placed on a waiting list? Sure you may be waiting 3 months for your card but you **WILL** get your card. That is the question that needs to be asked of both Nvidia and the retailers.

[@68WCombatMedic702]

They have a shit load of the cards stored somewhere. They're claiming false supply to drive the demand up which drives the retail price up. When idiots pay 4k for a 2k card the next generation of cards will be $2500 and idiots will pay $4500 to $5k.

[@Kridian01]

@@68WCombatMedic702 The supply boat is anchored offshore. 😆

[@timothygibney159]

​@@68WCombatMedic702They don't. Nvidia paid for the wafers and decided to make ai cards for servers with Amazon and Microsoft cloud instead as they get $10,000 per GPU

[@andersjjensen]

"Stock price go BRRRRR".

[@JakeWaterSnake]

The asteroid segment at the end deserved a double take for sure!

[@Kridian01]

Yeah, maybe start with that? ☄

[@terryrds]

I remember when the 30 series was going to release. People on reddit saw the MSRP and got real greedy real quick. Used hardware subs were flooded with 20 series cards for sale at wild prices. People bought them up, and the 30 series released... Only for everything to be out of stock on release. Which led to all the initial 20 series sellers to complain they now had no viable gaming GPU. Which led to some pretty humorous posts of people's high end, water cooled, RGB-laced rigs rockin' cards like a GTX 750 Ti "temporarily."

[@ImperialDiecast]

at least this time around the uplift in performance isnt as big as the 30 series was over the 20 series, unless you include multgen which i wont, and you also have a plethora of 40 series cards on the market so it's not like back in 2020 when even 20 series cards became barely available and you had to go all the way back to a gtx 1650 for a time or pay extra even for a 2060 super.

[@timothygibney159]

Bitcoin miners were willing to pay 200% over MSRP is why and the COVID chip shortage

[@aj.5841]

Imagine camping out for some half-baked GPU hardware. It's buyers like this that are part of the problem with their silly FOMO impulsivity!

[@dissident112]

The 5090 is a perfectly capable card. If it was available right now for $1999 I might even consider it. You are correct though humans are an impulsive species, but life is short.

[@Nexx8969]

5090 is trash and shouldn't cost 2grand.... I can buy a rear shell for my lotus Elise for 4k... You got a stupid video card costing as much... You can buy a turbo charger for that money lol...

[@IGame4Fun2]

But no one needs your cover or turbocharger lol ​@Nexx8969

[@DagobertX2]

I bet at least half of them were scalpers.

[@NineS5]

@@Nexx8969 PC Gaming has become a rip off. With 2 grand I can buy a very capable full frame camera, or a very nice lens that will serve me decades. Hell for a couple more, you could buy a 2ZZ and have a spare motor lol. And besides, after 2.5 years the 5090 is barely an improvement. From 60fps you get 78fps and 500 watts. Totally worth the money.

[@epencrep]

I don't understand why manufacturers don't offer direct sales with a one per mailing address policy. This is the best way to stop scalpers. I'd be happy to pay retail price and wait a few weeks for the order to be fulfilled.

[@balthazarbulau4095]

Someone has to pay for Jensen's leather jacket !

[@jarihaukilahti]

yup made by some extint rinosaurus skin last on planet , earth cost are assumed to billions , mine are made by rabbits and dogs

[@RamonInNZ]

JACKETS!!!

[@rickwhite7736]

His jacket is made from crocodile not leather.

[@AspLode]

Micro Center Chicago had five 5090s on launch-day, no additional stock since then

[@quandaryn1231]

I don't think 4 times more of 300 units spread between every Micro Center in the country would do much....

[@FamiliarAnomaly]

you guys have to realize something - nvidia makes all this money on the AI side, but all their former business partners like asus and gigabyte and etc - they are all out even worse than us not getting a card because they are losing MASSIVE revenue streams by not being able to sell the cards. Those are the allies you seek here.

[@gilgamesh3430]

So what your telling me is that nvidia made a massive presentation of these gpu’s with 5 million+ views, then only released under 3 thousand of them? Interesting..

[@nat99997]

The 5080 is 2000usd in my country. I shudder to think about the price of the 5090 when stock is available. The 9070 better be amazing. Im going team red for my next upgrade

[@DavidGotelli710]

@@nat99997 After seeing what Nvidia has done to the GPU market I'm pretty sure my 4070ti will be my last Nvidia card. If Nvidia prices me out of the xx70 series I'm done 👍✅

[@Merkaba85]

Wauw, deluxe room-heaters really are in high demand this winter.

[@whtalt92]

But are they invented by someone with a background in aviation engineering and does the g0v3rnM3nT nOt WaNt YoU tO KnOw?

[@DeepThinker193]

...$899 is still infact, nine hundred dollars..

[@TheRealSkeletor]

Especially when it's actually $899.99.

[@DagobertX2]

Yeah, I don't like that AMD statement. It seems they want to ride the NGreedia overpricing wave behind them.

[@kevo300]

The more you buy, the more you save. Buy 10 gpus save 10 cents.

[@tiberiumirica8445]

what people don't take into account is that 899USD in EU includes the VAT as well, 7900XT is currently being sold for 850 to 950 USD in EU. The same articles that talk about this leak, also comment on how 7900XT costs about 650? where, there is no store in EU that sells that for less than 800 USD.

[@DUD3H0WD4R3U]

​The 7900xt is 679€(695$) incl. 19% Vat ​in Germany right now@@tiberiumirica8445

[@mrmidnight32]

I wonder where all the guys who called me an idiot in your last video for saying this would happen are at now… How fast their comments didn’t age well about the pandemic being over and scalpers/miners not affecting the market as much anymore 😂

[@thomasneedham1512]

Tom at Moores Law is Dead said months ago that there would be no supply of 5090s and very limited supplies of 5080s. His sources were right again.

[@mrmidnight32]

@ This is the consumer market standard. Sad to say.

[@DavoidJohnson]

Price of electricity in the UK means turning off the heating, but I still get some heat out of the PC. No joke.

[@amatthew1231]

So if we add up all the stock across all the distributors, combo deals, pre-builts, in store cards, online, and.... _influencer_ review cards. Nvidia sent ~2000 5090's and called that a launch. What a joke.

[@lindsaybruce1396]

Don't give them ideas, Paul. They'll be shipping fake plastic "AI-enabled" 5090's next.

[@CodRevolution00]

I was in line at microcenter and ended up with a 5080, and the general consensus i got was that there was more people there for 5080s than you might think. Most people i talked to were upgrading from very old cards or 30 series at the newest (atleast at the midpoint of the line). Although I ended up 5090less, the 5080 has been a big upgrade to my setup and I had a similar experience as Jay except in games, mine borks out just before 3.2 Ghz without changing the power limit. I left mine at a boost clock of just under 3.1Ghz wit ha +500 on memory and saw about a 10% improvement in the game i tested all day (Marvel Rivals, 1440p High settings, Native). Also Zotac kicked ass when it comes to their coolers this generation, i saw on that chart the amp extreme right behind the astral and my 5080 Solid OC barely spins the fans under 100% load, pretty much locked at 30% fan speed with a 57C max temp

[@powergi3996]

The 5080 is really basically a 5060ti, for 1200-1400$USD. That's crazy.

[@DavidGotelli710]

If you look at it's raser performance yes.

[@aersla1731]

And people still bought...

[@ycageLehT]

@@aersla1731 Suckers & Scalpers bought, yes. Not everyone is ignorant to the fact how nGreedia moved the SKU's one tier, both on the RTX4000 and the RTX5000, it's disgusting. nGreedia's marketing is what drives these sales. A fool and his money, is easily parted.

[@lucyc776]

@@DavidGotelli710 If I'm being sold a product that only does 1/4 of what it is advertized to do, I should not be forced to pay a premium. The physical specs of the 5080 put it at the level of what a 5070 should be. It's a $600 card being sold for $1000+ and this so evident in the fact that there is a really large gap between the 5080 and 5090. Going beyond the specs of the card, AI generated frames are not on par with actual frames and should not be the sole factor of a cards perfromance since they introduce a lot of artifacting and smearing. Not to mention 99% of games will not have frame generation, and anything added in the NVIDIA app will look significantly worse than purely rasterizing or implemented frame generation.

[@DavidGotelli710]

@@lucyc776 Oh I know. Nvidia is using software as a crutch and in my opinion is not going to fly for most people

[@legiox3719]

How to get a new card on launch date 1. Camp out at a microcenter for no less than 2 days before launch. 2. Buy from a scalper 3. Sit at your computer for hours on end hitting F5 button and hope you get lucky. Screw all that.

[@Kridian01]

Right? I'll wait until they're on shelves at Wal★Mart.

[@MuahMan]

Just wait a few months, then you can buy with dignity and don't have to pay the "asshole tax".

[@Bonky2004]

Here in the Netherlands all out off stock and on second marketplace i se the 5080 for 2000 euro and the 5090 for 3000+ euro It's strange that those carts are on a second hand marketplaces

[@Whiteshade]

How much is entry level partner(aib) models in the Netherlands?

[@whtalt92]

Not strange. Re-sale for a higher markup. That they're using Marktplaats has no connection whatsoever with 2nd hand (apart from those 2nd hands being the hands it's been through as owner)

[@kaseyboles30]

The shortage isn't an accident. It's to get us more accepting of high prices, create fomo, etc.

[@ladyhawk7408]

I got a 3090ti. The day before the rtx 4000 series launched. Brand new for just under a grand.... still feeling good about that. I mean it might only be a measly 120fps in most games. But they real frames.

[@DH-bf9xb]

It would be interesting to hear how the hike in US tariffs on everything are likely to affect tech prices.

[@billpii6314]

They are going to go up, duh.

[@corey2232]

Everything in the US is going to get more expensive, then everything we export is going to get more expensive as our largest trading partners are slapping tariffs on us. Not sure how this is good for anyone, but hey, this is what the people voted for. Good for them I guess.

[@DH-bf9xb]

@@billpii6314 most techbro response. Kudos.

[@thepatriot6966]

Jensun didn't mislead. He lied. Like he has done for years! But people still by Nvidia. Cuz stupid is as stupid does.

[@markbrettnell3503]

You nailed it!

[@andersjjensen]

Reviewers say "mislead" and "shenanigans" instead of "lied" and "market manipulation" or "crimes" to keep their asses out of libel lawsuits. Because Nvidia, besides being caught lying and engaging in anti competitive practices, also has a history of being ruthless litigators.

[@mikeoleksa]

Paul, your excellent delivery of cynical sarcasm is the only good thing to come from Nvidis's latest GPU launch. I'm looking forward to the upcoming Radeon launch.

[@rosco3866]

Glad I pulled the trigger on my 4090 last summer, thought maybe I'd have buyers remorse with 5090 around the corner. And now that my msi monitor is g sync compatible with the latest driver updates, sitting pretty for the next few years at least

[@DavidGotelli710]

@rosco3866 Nothing to say the 4090 shouldn't last you 6-8 years

[@thewingedringer]

Next few years? It's a 4090

[@druid5561]

I’m building a PC for the first time, 7800X3D, I have literally everything put together but I can’t find a GPU anywhere. I want to play 4K / 1440p Ultra. 7900 XTX were literally in stock last week everywhere and now they’re out or $1300. 4080 S are $1600, 4070 Ti Supers are $1300. At those prices they’re usually used as well, it’s insane. I don’t know what to do! I don’t want to spend 65% of my budget on a card.

[@SwipedUp]

0:11 ah yes the old floodgates 💀

[@scout_6749]

picked up my 5090 on next day after launch. stood out in front of microcenter for 4 hours before they opened.

[@robicelus]

As a non-gamer, I'll keep my ROG 4080 Super for another 2-3 years. Not worth upgrading to the 5090 right now.

[@Blento0404otnelB]

,2-3years? My 2021 2080s is rocking like mad.

[@jefmes]

Same...just spent the evening playing Cyberpunk with the new Transformer based DLSS model, full Overdrive RT w/ DLSS balanced mode at 3440x1440, and it held between 60-70 FPS the entire time. Looked great, and I think we're not the only ones that'll be skipping this generation.

[@MarbleGiant]

A ‘non-gamer’ would be happy with that card for a decade!

[@jutubik11]

I was biting the bullet with buying the 4090 a few months back - mainly for AI work (99% of my previous cards were AMD - but for AI they suck), but i really didn't expect that i may have another "1080ti" in my hands that will last a good couple of years without worrying about new generations.. IMHO nvidia have really screwed the 50 series

[@jpbenn23]

@@Blento0404otnelB 🙄Cmon man!

[@Xsuprio]

Bought a 4070S end of last year. Of course I could have waited for the 50's... but expected this mess. No regrets.

[@belgiumkiddo]

5080 in Belgium costs almost €2000💀 & our scummy retailers either upped the pricing on 4080 supers by €300 or took them offline entirely… These antics are making Apple seem like a good deal 😂

[@Shizzmoney74]

anyone who hates content folks getting GPUs is dumb. You guys put in so much work to test and let us know about these product and inform our decision making with our hard earned money. It's not like you are gaming for fun with these things; you can't because you need to test to get the data for the viewer. So thank you!

[@dissident112]

It is unfortunate that Jensen doesn't have more appreciation towards the people that built up his company, that when bigger fish came along he just jumped ship, but such is human nature.

[@johnbeeck2540]

Corporate America could care less about it's customers - just it's next quarterly stock performance... inflation is primarily a corporate greed issue.

[@fractalelf7760]

Pulled the trigger on an outgoing prebuilt with a 4090 for a good price. Glad I did, not spending a year to get my hands on a 5090 and pay scalper prices for a so-so upgrade, I’ll sit tight until the 6000-series comes around one day and pay those scalpers 😅

[@SuperWotman]

I wanted to upgrade my 2080ti looks like I have to wait a generation more

[@shredmajor700]

The thing that bothers me most is everyone unanimously said "new gpus bad, we are unhappy" and no one suggested what should be done about it? Boycott team green, buy used, buy from the other guys if you can. Do not camp in a parking lot for days with the scalpers!

[@mcunner]

The cheapest 5080 is $1550 (R29 000) in South Africa and the cheapest 5090 looks to be over $3000 (R55 000) when it comes into stock.

[@Kridian01]

f--that!

[@3dgenetics419]

I think it’s crazy how I’m seeing certain KZbinrs pulling out every different model of the 5090. They literally got sent more 5090’s than most Microcenters.

[@SpoodyClax]

The 5090 situation is crazy…. It actually is lol

[@DavidGotelli710]

It's crazy it's almost stupid if that makes sense

[@Bigboss-xe6lm]

@@DavidGotelli710 Feels like I live in an Idiocracy movie; the early years

[@sodapopinksi667]

Im looking for a 5090 to subsidize the cost of a 5080 because it's crazy

[@TheSaturdayNights]

I've been after the 5070ti this whole time, but being a witness to all the frustration with the 80/90 launch, I have 0 confidence in getting to upgrade at least for months. I buy/build/sell computers so I was hoping to get a 5080 to have a cool new listing, but I got a kid, I don't have time to camp outside microcenter for 3 days

[@chadbizeau5997]

So glad i bought a 4090 2 years ago. Gonna get another 2 years out of it at least. $1700 over 4 years isnt bad at all.

[@Homerlovesbeer2]

I'm still rocking my 2080Ti from years ago..... Can't bring myself to getting ripped off anymore!

[@chadbizeau5997]

@Homerlovesbeer2 I saw a 7900 XT at Best Buy for a really good price. XFX 7900xt 20GB card. 719 right now (US). If you don't really care about Ray tracing that much, even if it can do it a little bit, that's a really good price I think

[@Kyle-ig4fp]

@@Homerlovesbeer2 Same card for me lol. I feel the same.

[@andersjjensen]

@@Homerlovesbeer2 Does it still play everything you want at acceptable frame rates? (yes it does). I've recently bought a Ryzen 7840U based laptop (39W with 12CUs on a 1200p screen) to replace my 15 year old "coffee table laptop" (probably a phenomenon unique to my needs). I was completely flabbergasted that this potato can actually play everything I own. I have a 7950X3D + XTX at 1440p165Hz in my home office, so I'm used to a lot better. But what struck me the most was how quickly my brain adjusted from Ultra at 1440p Native to 1200p Low with 50% upscaling.

[@ryancbarrett96]

This really sucks for those of us that skipped last generation because of the price and foolishly believes nvidia may have learned their lesson on pricing when the first 4080 didn't sell well, especially in the beginning.

[@stympt1nag]

5080 - 2000$ (converted ) here in India . What a joke 🤬

[@steveavecillas1114]

The gaming industry is tell gamers; you need to spend 3000 dollars if your want to play with the best graphics for your games

[@alanshaw4655]

short the stock, increase the prices...go figure !.

[@Starchface]

The estimated probability of impact is likely to gradually increase, then suddenly revise to either 0 or 100%. All our problems may soon be solved. Here's to hoping! 🍺 I always look forward to Paul's Hardware News show. Watching the show is one of the best ways to spend a Sunday.

[@Chiefgeargrinder]

They definitely SHOULD make Manufacturers have enough supply BEFORE a product gets released. I'm all for free market, however NOT when it's being used as a weapon.

[@puppiTube]

No. They shouldn't. How would I make a fortune re-selling cards online if they did that?

[@josiahjones5293]

​@@puppiTube scalper alert.....

[@ShinDMitsuki]

And how exactly do you propose the government forces companies to make an arbitrary amount of something to make you specifically happy? It's a ridiculous proposal. A company can make however much of something it wants.

[@Chiefgeargrinder]

@ShinDMitsuki They can spend some of that 3 Trillion Dollars on job creation and Production

[@Brandon-n5f]

​@ShinDMitsuki No. It's their job to make The Consumer base happy. What's ridiculous was this paper launch. If TSMC can't handle the supply they can call up Samsung.

[@JA-np2vz]

I gave up on nvidia years ago. Ever since EVGA left , so did I. There not worth the hype , cost and the unable to get one. There's no way in hell that I would camp out or stand in line hopeing to get one. Hats off to Paul and all the other tech reviewers out there to get us these vids. They do a awesome job and I always enjoy watching them.

[@stromce]

The reason I can trust this channel, is because Paul is one of the few Americans who knows when to use the word "fewer"...

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

AMD promised we wouldn't NEED a GPU... the 8700G is a nice boost. Our last 4 purchases : all notebooks - life on the move & the Tech has to match. RTX 4070 mobiles will have to do ...

[@SL1PSTAR]

Credit for the 0:30 perfect unmonitored pour and dedication to the camera.

[@criznittle968]

Next generation, scalpers will employ physical bots to wait in line months early and everyone will have to start taking a Turing test to get inside.

[@nothanks8624]

I wish people would realize that these cards wouldn't cost nearly as much if people refused to buy them.

[@Hybris51129]

And where do the people go in the meantime? AMD? Less performance for 80% of the cost of a Nvidia card? Intel is focusing on building up and undermining AMD's grip of the budget and mid tier and they are also suffering from little to no stock as well. Not buying cards is not how you are going to get out of this situation.

[@andersjjensen]

@@Hybris51129 You could also just keep using what you have until they cave... Nvidia DID correct the price of the 4080 because they they sold poorly. If they hadn't sold AT ALL that price correction would have come a lot sooner. AMD is a prime example of this: They hype and do a lot of arm waving. Then proceed to launch with a shitty price.... Then proceed to adjust the prices to what reviewers said would be reasonable a month or two later. The difference is that habitual Radeon owners are also habitually hard to please, whereas the habitual Nvidia owner has the mentality of a drug whore. It doesn't matter if it's humiliating and it hurts, as long as they get their fix afterwards. And your last sentence shows exactly that.

[@Hybris51129]

@@andersjjensen habitual Radeon owners are have been very easy to please sadly. They will buy knowing full well inferior hardware because they feel it's more important to soothe their feelings than get the best performance and thus value out of their purchase. It's one part of why AMD doesn't feel pressure to change their ways and actually compete on a hardware level. Just take a few bucks off and their drones will gladly fall in line and start chanting the company definition of "Value" and the carrot chasing tech media will do the same even when their own test data shows otherwise.

[@andersjjensen]

@@Hybris51129 Yes, that is how value works. When Intel was 10% faster in gaming AMD was 25% cheaper. If you insist on the absolute best, regardless of price, you can't complain about price. It's that simple. When I bought my XTX the 4080 was $1200. Parity in raster, 8GB more VRAM, a disadvantage in features I only care very little about, and $200 off. Good deal to me. If AMD had all the features and the same performance as Nvidia.... what exactly would compel them be aggressive with price then? Now where they have the absolute gaming performance crown in CPUs they set the price and Intel is the one who has to respond with a value offer. It's like you don't understand basic market dynamics.

[@Hybris51129]

@@andersjjensen It's like you didn't either bother to read my comment or the concept of "Performance = Value" is beyond your comprehension as that demands that you look beyond the up front price and think beyond keeping your GPU for longer than a single generation. Again all hallmarks of a typical short sighted AMD drone who relies on feelings and low upfront price to base their decisions on instead of hard data.

[@kpaulmiller]

There are several 5080 available at online retails stores in India. Most of the models are still in stock. 5090 are yet to be launched in India.

[@zometthecomet]

Yeah them darn scalpers ! Meanwhile “ buy our pre built PCs we have 50 series cards now! 😂 what ever man you guys selling us down the road for a few bucks

[@Kridian01]

hah! fucking NewEgg being NewEgg.

[@patrickprafke4894]

The St Louis Park, Mn one is the smallest floor plan of all the locations. And it even annoys the hell out of the staff that works there.

[@castigo1986]

Camping out for 2000usd gaming cards? There must be a pathological definition for that...

[@_Ekaros]

If you can flip it for 1000 more. It is not that bad income...

[@sodapopinksi667]

@@castigo1986 profit. More scalpers than nerds

[@meknowu1]

This is why I hate that pc gaming became more mainstream 😢

[@uptown710]

@@meknowu1smh take me back to 96.

[@Dempig]

I camped out for a $300 Nintendo Wii on launch lol

[@hetace]

In Germany we don't need scalpers, we have retailers. If you want a 5080 and are able to find one with big retailers you'll need between 1169 an 1900 euros to get it. If you think it can not get any worse, just wait for the next generation.

[@Aaron-zl5gq]

Just so tired of new tech going to KZbinrs and scalpers , I mean 3-7k for scalped graphics cards meanwhile I sit here and watch every reviewer and there mother make money off there free tech they hyped just so done with this shit

[@gelul12]

We all are. Its the same shit Every gen now. Ive been waiting 2 gens now to get a new gpu. And it Will probably be the same next gen. I’m done with trying. Time for a new hobby.

[@DavidGotelli710]

@@gelul12 I've almost thought if PC gaming gets too out of control I'll just go back to console gaming lol

[@gelul12]

@@DavidGotelli710 nothing wrong with that. At least console gaming is alot more Stable hardware wise. wait a few months and boom console for msrp.

[@DavidGotelli710]

@@gelul12 I switched to PC gaming in 2017 and I haven't looked back but damn these GPU prices are just getting insane. A console value wise has never looked better. But then I feel like what will happen is console prices will go up because people don't want buy 1k+ GPUs. It's just insane what's going on right now.

[@thewingedringer]

Yes, blame the people who review the product. Not the company who artificially limits stock, even though they had months and months to prepare for the release.

[@Digikidthevoiceofreason]

Paul still cannot say SUPRIM correctly. Sad….

[@AcktongueBaby]

The reason those three stores got zero cards is because they didn’t wanna get looted.

[@Hybris51129]

Yeah I don't think Micro Center or Nvidia want to have images of a burning store on the news so the idea makes sense.

[@redleo508]

Saw the line today as I walked into the opening of the Tustin location. 100+ people still lined up, some for days only to be told at door open that there was none in stock. Was so satisfying walking out with my 7900XTX and seeing them all pack up. The hype was predicable and was fun to watch. Truly hate the scalpers man, really making it a mess for the rest..

[@pavanbiliyar]

Boycotting is the only power we have, i.e. speaking with our wallets to force companies to change strategies. Not choosing nVidia doesn't mean choose AMD or Intel. It means don't purchase at all. The problem is that not everyone sees the prices as bad, others will save up towards it over time, and nVidia still gets their dime.

[@RobBCactive]

ridiculous, all you do is tell Nvidia they can maintain prices as people will cave in. Buying AMD cards like the 7800xt offering better value is what forced the Super range, that's a lost not postponed sale

[@dixonarc69]

Yes, but unfortunately, people are stupid. I really only feel bad for the people who are just smart enough to realize how stupid they are :(

[@lazyautomation3481]

The pricing problem probably come from middle age men. Once you're mid/late career in a decent field 2k isn't that much. Gpus are the new mid life crisis.

[@brilliantlysplendid]

How do you boycott something that isn’t even there?

[@RobBCactive]

@brilliantlysplendid exactly, Nvidia must love it

[@CheoWalker]

I will wait until the summer to see if any cards are available.

[@dwain.d]

Australian reviewers not only got 5090 AIBs but also FEs which is quite remarkable because not only were there exactly 0 5090s to buy in the entire country but the FE isn't even available to purchase here.

[@iamjacobnz]

Yeah and the founders edition well be discontinued after a few months because they charge MSRP for the components to their aibs to make more money

[@armas_ectos]

That image of the MicroCenter store locations is misleading in another way. There's only one store in Michigan, the Madison Heights store. There is no Sterling Heights store that I could find, and their website does not mention it.

[@eyankee01]

Came to the comments to say the same thing.

[@nicklopes7519]

Why would I want a "50" series card that runs just like a 4090 card.....and with Fake Frames. It's all a $ making scam. The CEO is a con-artist.

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

Ding ding ding, we have a winner. You are one of the ones that the Muskrat fears getting a pitchfork and torch

[@drunkhusband6257]

They never conned you with anything they were upfront about literally everything

[@SchkuenteQoostewin]

@@drunkhusband6257 oh sweet spring child....

[@drunkhusband6257]

@ I can't help you can't comprehend things, now kiss me

[@kritikal3172]

Can we sue them?

[@jondon1079]

A 1% chance of an asteroid wiping us all out is the best news I've heard all day! 🥰🥰🥰

[@silenthashassin8912]

We're coming to collect!! All jokes aside this launch and reviewers like you made me appreciate my 4090 even more. Gonna save my money and just wait it out.

[@totalermist]

5:00 Small correction Paul, Proshop is a *Danish* retailer, not a German one. Maybe they traded the 50-class inventory to keep an Arctic island, who knows ;)

[@andersjjensen]

He is sort of correct. The German Proshop has different ownership than the Danish Proshop (which is the original).

[@totalermist]

@@andersjjensen Not according to their official German website. Last time I ordered from there (i.e. last week), my bill crealy said Proshop a/s Denmark, as does the German website.

[@orleansjunky4074]

WELL.......most people didn't need reviewers to know that the only card worth buying was the 5090. So what 200 plus cards that could of went to the public.