54mm Bottomless vs. Regular Portafilter | Breville Barista Express

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[@ThomasD3595]

The issue is, channelling will be occurring with the spouted portafilter as well but you just can't see it. That's why a bottomless portafilter is good, as it allows you to perfect the technique which ultimately will lead to you pulling better shots regardless of the portafilter

[@HoonsCoffee]

You're right about that TD.

[@TakkiLFC]

The hole diameter on the bottomless portafilter basket is bigger than the Breville's. I think I have the same issue ... flow becomes faster (less pressure) if you keep all parameters the same. I swapped the Breville's basket on to Bottomless one, and my shot improved a bit.

[@ThomasD3595]

@MLU8811 okay? What I've said is still true though

[@alexsahagun8007]

very good. I like the practicality of the regular portafilter and it will do just fine for me. You are part of the reason why I went with breville for my first machine. I love watching you try different coffee's as well!

[@HoonsCoffee]

Great to hear!

[@icewolfy1]

I wish there was a transparent/glass portafilter so that we can observe the beauty without the mess!

[@kaspermj]

That exists already :)

[@zacdorio1398]

@@kaspermj do you have a link?

[@ak.alaska]

As a past espresso shop owner, you easily are teaching me some techniques & your simply enjoyable to watch! As we know that the art of espresso has evolved & will continue to, & there is always new tools & tips to learn in order to perfect the best extraction. I remember baristas used to tap the commercial portafilter with the tamper after they dosed it & before they tamped it, & we discovered beneath it would cause hairline fractures/cracks inside the fullness in the coffee in portafilter, disrupting the water flow in those areas where the “cracks” were allowing too quick of extraction in the areas. These habits were learned from other baristas showing them , & it became a bad habit that wasn’t known to be a bad habit. That’s incredible these great tools like the doser ring/funnel, & your little gadget to fluff the grounds are so intuitive!! I love seeing evolution & there’s nothing better or more enjoyable then espresso & making your own. It’s an amazing learning experience & a must of you appreciate espresso! Thanks for all your expertise! Glad I found your channel!

[@zebratroopfan6695]

I actually just like the way the regular portafilter pours the double stream. Purely from an esthetic standpoint

[@hassanawodi5888]

Your channel is very newbie friendly. One variable I that has improved my shot is using a nidle to distribute my grounds.

[@DRM1891]

Great video - thanks for posting. I have recently bought a bottomless portafilter and have the exact same machine as you, and also use the distributor tool. However when I use the bottomless one, the coffee spits out of the bottom, often shooting in different directions and making a mess, rather than one single smooth flow into the cup. The majority goes into the cup, but little bits spit out and make a mess. It still tastes good and the grind looks metre thing always stays within the grey area - so I know it’s a pretty good quality shot. But any idea why it spits so much and what I can do to prevent it? Thank you

[@MrMatthaha]

Exact same issue

[@jeantrevino3983]

How you get so much pressure with the bottomless portafilter? I just bought one but don’t get as much pressure as the original one.

[@timothyberlinski2299]

Does roast make a difference? Say you get your shots dialed in and roast some nore beans, same beans but the roast is longer. Does that affect grind setting and shot?

[@Jack_Hunt]

I noticed the bottomless only ran for 11 seconds ( i timed it ) that's way too fast. Should be somewhere around 20 to 30 seconds which means for the bottomless you might have to adjust the grind finer or tamp harder.

[@gailfrohnert4230]

I really appreciate your videos, Hoon! I’m sticking to my regular portafilter for now but may put the bottomless portafilter on my Christmas list!

[@Anh-Áo-Nâu]

Can you remove the basket of bottom less one and use Breville basket instead. I just bought the $40 bottom less and the coffee does not come out with creama on top. Please advise. Thanks

[@jimmyhumphries953]

Thanks for the quick reply. Also do you get a better shot using the separate grinder and if so would it be better buying the Breville without the grinder.

[@HoonsCoffee]

That is a great question! Of course, you get a better shot with good grinder. What is your budget?

[@biggianthead5339]

You have many toys now Hoon. We won't be able to keep up with you 😂

[@spiritual8flame]

Hi there brother! Just got one for my wife’s birthday. Did you program your Breville to do 3 ounces?

[@Anh-Áo-Nâu]

How come i dont have pressure on single wall bottom less baskets?

[@julie_fitzgerald]

Seems like the bottomless takes more than the 18 g of beans. How much do you actually fill it with? It appears underdosed when I only use 17-18 even 20 seems too little.

[@Ginger_Lily]

I would like Crema to make a wood handled regular portafilter. I love the beauty of the wood on my bottomless, but honestly, the mess is frustrating. I do really love the ease of cleaning the bottomless, though. It's so much easier, not that the regular portafilter is difficult. I'm having a ton of trouble with my Barista Express built in grinder, but don't have the funds to splurge on a fancy grinder. Do you have a recommendation of an affordable (say $150 range) grinder? Or should I just start saving up for the one I really want?

[@HoonsCoffee]

Save money and get a good grinder. You'll have it for a long time.

[@xjleitex]

How did you get your pressure gauge to display in that zone?

[@Us092395]

Might be interesting to test thermal stability with a Thermapen to see if the bottomless is indeed cooler? I always assumed the opposite. Wish you had taken 5 more minutes to dial in a bit more. Your earlier video on bottomless convinced me to buy one. Now I’m hooked. Keep up the good work.

[@HoonsCoffee]

Great point! I will do that one of my upcoming videos.

[@guidoo89]

Why don't you use the barista express for hot water?

[@CAT3616G]

The temperature isn’t consistent and it has a hard time maintaining proper temperature when you pull your shots afterward

[@SeanGT83]

@@CAT3616G true, but irrelevant for heating cups. I’d also say irrelevant for making long blacks.

[@Dogs_Cats604]

can i use the same 2 shot basket from my breville infuser to a bottomless portafilter or should i buy combo?

[@meganpeaster6983]

Is a Breville still suppose to pressure up when using a bottomless portafilter?

[@dsiddiqui5111]

Is there a real difference in quality of the espresso shot when you use the niche grinder vs the barista inbuilt grinder. Thanks

[@BrentGoodale]

Love the comparison! I love the information I get from the bottomless.

[@HoonsCoffee]

Glad it was helpful!

[@kcavet6218]

I have a Brim 19 Bar machine & a a Breville Pro Smart Grinder. Is that similar to the Barista express? Can I try bottomless with that equipment? If I need to go up in quality, I think I’d want to jump a few levels. Suggestions?

[@yangluan893]

Hi Hoon’s. I love your Videos. I had some coffee machine over year. The problems is when you press a sing and a double button the coffee not come out. I Idid descaling for the machine but not works. Do you know what’s the problems with machine. Can you help me out. I appreciate. Thank you.

[@PNSP]

Hi Hoon! Awesome videos. I had a quick question for you. I have lost the o ring the goes under the spout which attaches to the portafilter. First of all, is it okay? My spout is not lined up when it is fully tight now. Second, do you where I can buy the ring. I know they sell the ring for the frothier spout but not for the portafilter. Again, love your videos!

[@warrenbridle2494]

Could you please advise where you purchased the ‘white’ dosing funnel shown at approx. 6:02?

[@alarcilam]

Hi Hoon, nice video. Would you do a video with the naked portafilter using the Niche and the regular tools? Would be good to see how the normal tamper and the machine itself performs with a better grinder putting aside the St Anthony’s tools

[@HoonsCoffee]

Definitely.

[@Ginger_Lily]

@@HoonsCoffee I'm definitely interested in this as well.

[@rddavies]

Love your content Hoon and it was the best resource on the web for me to get going with Barista Express! Here's a question I've been wondering about. As far as top burr settings the BBE ships with it set at 6 and mine has been at 6 the whole time. I now have my current favorite settings on the side set at 2 for a dark roast I am using and at 1 for a medium roast I am also using. I think on another one of your videos you said you have your top burr set to 5. So my question is - if I went down to 5 - where would I start on my fine settings. Would I go all the way up to 16? Or is there some overlap such that a setting of 1 with top burr set to 6 is like a setting of 8 with top burr set to 5? I can think of an obvious corollary to shifting on bikes where when you change the big chain ring up front you don't necessarily start all the way at the beginning with the cogs on the back. I suspect that there is possibly some overlap here. What are your thoughts? Thanks again and keep up the great content!!!

[@nickmangiapane3352]

Could you explain. Which bottomless portafilter this is? Nervous to buy one that won't fit well(too tight, too loose...). Also, would like to see if you make a video comparing your different grinders with the oem grinder, with kitchen space (and money) not always ample, id want to be sure my purchase was worth it. My family pulls 3~4 shots a day.

[@kimbridge5592]

grind 6 would have been nice on the bottomless filter. would love to have seen that.

[@mrjmo5678]

What is your internal grinder set to?

[@StevePearson-k1w]

How do you get your bottomless to work like that through this machine?! I can’t get anywhere near the espresso pressure range with my bottomless. Spent 20 mins on a call with the people at Breville trying to figure it out and they were rude and saying it would never work with a bottomless… to the point where I hung up on them cause they kept telling me it won’t work, but clearly it does. What’s the trick?!

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ Try calling them BACK. Keep them on the telephone until you get it right. I don't care if it takes you 20 YEARS. pick up that phone and press those buttons, PRONTO. 🟥

[@endlessocean1731]

I think u should use the niche and saint anthony to make more consistent shots. So the compare much more apple to apple. Because it will minimize inconsistancy of our hand.

[@alharrasi7able]

Can I change from 51mm to 54mm portafilter on my machine?

[@juancarlosiza233]

good afternoon, what grinding number do you have inside if the outside is number eight

[@pointyplumber]

Realy pleased you used built in grinder

[@DJaquithFL]

Just an observation .. what's the advantage of a bottomless when you take your metal spoon and mix up your espresso anyway? I've got a thing about touching crema with everything except my mouth. I also pull a shot with just water and dry before my espresso. Instead of using your declumping tool .. what do you think about a dosing cup and shaking vigorously? The barista in my area they have a dosing cup that fits perfectly over the portafilter in addition to having that $1,000 Puqpress.

[@wilhelmenns791]

The reason why I would like to get a bottomless filter is, it gives me more space to fit a coffee cup under the filter

[@mustafaa.4553]

Bottomless never hold pressure for me. I have no idea why. Any ideas?

[@parkatherine]

Where do u get the regular one

[@jimmyhumphries953]

Hi, Do you get a better shot using the separate grinder and if so would it be better buying the Breville without the grinder. Also I looked on Amazon and many people complain that after 2 or 3 years their machines stop working(or even less), I love the look and the way it operates but I have a doubt about the reliability, what do you think?

[@HoonsCoffee]

It has been two years and so far so good.

[@stevenvawter7859]

When using the open portafiter I’m not seeing the full duration of the pressure gauge.

[@nathannono3163]

What was your avg brew time that you target? 18? Good channel btw!

[@elvisahmed]

Lots of splash in the bottom less?

[@ccnt89]

Hoon what do you think of Vst baskets? As I keep hearing vst baskets give a better shot Vs Ims baskets for the portafilter. And which basket comes with the sage barista express ims or vst or standard ? ☕️

[@HoonsCoffee]

I don't think VST makes 54mm. I wish they did.

[@ccnt89]

Hoon's Coffee same I just been searching. This guy took it into his own hands to engineer his own using an precision ims basket for the barista express. www.home-barista.com/espresso-machines/ims-competition-basket-for-bes870xl-840xl-t59678.html

[@carlcarl6356]

Great videos Hoon, I’m getting a lot of spatter from my bottomless ports filter how do I minimise that, I can see in this video you had hardly any splatter.

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ I just put the smaller end of a funnel in my mouth and put the bigger end up to the machine while I spits out the coffee. I put the cream and honey in my teeth and mouth BEFORE I press the go button. A dog is STILL a man's best friend. 🟥

[@CSTBFO_jad]

What is the 'paperclip distributer de-clamping tool' and where can I get one?

[@chopchopsmash379]

love your passion!!

[@ccnt89]

Awesome content! Hope your channel grows! ☕️👌

[@HoonsCoffee]

Thanks.

[@rundesewolawen]

Just received my bottomless portafilter. The coffe comes out nicely but still spoils drops all over. Any ideas why? Thanks ☕️

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ Because whoever made it is a stupidHead. If they were smart - it would work good. 🟥

[@rundesewolawen]

@@2NDFLB-CLERK I see Hoon has the same problem. Well… spoiling some coffee maybe isn’t that bad…? 😄

[@carlosfedericolopezspindol3103]

Anyone has tried to thread any other spout, generic or from a 58mm portafilter, on the Breville portafilter instead of the original one? I read that maybe any 3/8" threaded spout would do?

[@ggivensjr]

Hey Hoon, in another video you were having trouble with channeling of bottomless PF on your barista express. I have 7 yr old BCG820BSSXL and I found replacing upper burr really helped consistency of espresso grind.

[@HoonsCoffee]

I will check it out

[@abdulazizrehan]

Why does no one talk about the most important thing to me: I make two shots every morning with the regular portafilter, 20g and 55ml of coffee (27.5 in each cup). You can't make two cups with bottomless.

[@jimmyhumphries953]

Hi Hoon, I'm looking at getting a Lelit Anna 2 with PID and a 1Zpresso JX-Pro hand grinder. My budget is around $800-$900. Got any other ideas or advice? Thanks.

[@HoonsCoffee]

Lelit is really good machine as well.

[@jimmyhumphries953]

@@HoonsCoffee I was actually looking at a Rok at the beginning but now leaning toward the Lelit, what do you think about the Rok? Have you heard anything about the 1Zpresso JX-Pro hand grinder?

[@aliis2000]

a question: will the 53mm distributer be good for the 54mm portafilter?

[@HoonsCoffee]

They are just fine.

[@noelmolina3341]

Hoon thank you for the helpful video and tips

[@jingsonlua1307]

Hi Hoon, what was the brew recipe for the both extractions?

[@HoonsCoffee]

It was 17.5g in 34g out. I was focus on the output rather time.

[@jingsonlua1307]

Hoon's Coffee oh i thought it was more than that because the cup you used looks big for 34g. I thought you said triple shot so around 3oz?

[@konpadelic]

Hey can you tell me how to reset my barista express to factory settings, I played with the temp and it steams the milk way too hot now

[@HoonsCoffee]

Hold down the program button 3 secs.

[@konpadelic]

@@HoonsCoffee Thats it, that resets it to factory temp. Do we know, have an idea of what the factory temp is at? Thank you for your help

[@jediepix]

@@konpadelic Steam factory temperature is 130 degrees c

[@asjeot]

You should use the best grinder in your arsenal. Poor Niche sitting in the back watching the average output of the Barista Express grinder...

[@TimDurden]

Always baffles me why you don't just always use the niche Hoon!? Surely you'd see a big improvement in the quality and consistency of your shots?

[@freezingsunbreaka]

@@TimDurden Hoon explained to me that if he always used the fancy tools, then the average person like me wouldn't be able to relate to him anymore.

[@27238463]

It’s difficult to use bottomless portafilter with high pressure with out special tools.

[@Hank139]

Idk. I try all your hints and processes, and I taste my shot and it makes my teeth soft. It’s more tolerable when I make a Americana out of it. Lol

[@panini800]

Has a machine with a built in grinder and a hot water spout. Buys a separate grinder and uses a kettle to heat up water to pre-warm his cups? What’s the point of having that particular espresso machine then?

[@HoonsCoffee]

Sometimes I like hot boiling water to warmup the cups and making Americano.

[@panini800]

Hoon's Coffee Machine has a hot water dispenser?

[@HoonsCoffee]

@@panini800 Yes it is. Works really good!

[@CrissCrux]

You might want to time your shots. It looks like your breville might be extracting too fast.

[@Robert-yj2fu]

Great video, thanks

[@father100s4]

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[@david029014]

I thought the higher number is finer grain, and lower number is for more coarse, I have the 860xl prior model

[@HoonsCoffee]

For my machine, lower the number is finer.

[@david029014]

@@HoonsCoffee you are 100% right, I was wrong. Keep up the great vids. Im still dealing in my unit

[@ederjaircruz8613]

Is it expensive? How much is it?

[@HoonsCoffee]

Any where between 60 to 80.

[@sethcockram7909]

I by chefman cappuccino machine I like it work will I'm still learning my self..now I don.t have to go out four cappuccino span 7.99 can have at home

[@nourelhoudanour7025]

Bottomless portafilter splashes everywhere

[@pkerry12]

do they not have electric automatic kettles in the US? Stovetop kettles are very 1950s.

[@poonhandler520]

I prefer the bottomless.

[@peterpan69]

please ... try other non breville machines

[@HoonsCoffee]

I'm working on it Peter!

[@mathieudorval5613]

Is the naked one single wall?

[@HoonsCoffee]

Yes it is.

[@sethcockram7909]

Lol I use fork as tool makes cofee then make Mt shot fork work ok

[@mmortada1978]

Should go finer bro

[@WillowWontonBernese]

Hoon, you should time your shots on the next video

[@HoonsCoffee]

Check out the video tomorrow.

[@cgatdula]

Waste of time.

[@2NDFLB-CLERK]

▪️ Yea I ordered a bottomless, messed with it for a little while... Shots turn out better using the original with a dual wall basket... I might try the bottomless thing in the future. A dog is a man's best friend. 🟥

[@VigilanteA77777]

The bottomless portafilter is a diagnostic tool which will let you know if you need to improve you methodology as far as choosing the correct grind size and preparation skills as far as tamping, etc is concerned. It doesn’t guarantee you’ll get a better shot

[@HoonsCoffee]

Great point! Do you like using a bottomless Frank?

[@VigilanteA77777]

Hoon's Coffee Yes, that is what I use 99% of the time