6 5 Creedmoor; Why???

With so many already existing 6.5mm caliber cartridges why did the 6.5 Creedmoor explode in popularity so fast after it's introduction? Well I don't think it was because of it being any more advanced than anything else.

[@charlesshoemaker3622]

I received a Henry long ranger lever action in 6.5 this past Christmas and I must say I really like it. I was raised on the 270 and years later switched to 30-06. Now after numerous shoulder injuries I went to 308 but now the 6.5 gets me to the range more often than I had been going which is a great thing.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

That's great to hear Charles! I went to lighter recoiling cartridges myself some years ago after health problems and it left me scratching my head wondering why I was shooting heavy recoiling cartridges for all of those years when there was no need to.

[@mikemelina7395]

I think the hype created by Hornady had a lot to do with it also. Now with the PRCs we're seeing the same thing, it's "the new hotness you all need to buy."

[@mic982]

I'm drooling over that lovely 1885 you picked up, Tom. I still think it's one of the most elegant looking rifles ever designed and I just love the simplicity of it all. J.M.Browning was a real artist as well as a firearms genius. I'd trade any gun in my collection for an 1885 in 22-250 or such. Including my Winchester model 71.

[@codynipper2460]

Im buying a ruger m77 mark ll from a friend thats chambered in 6.5x55. Was worried at first because of it being a bit obscure in this country but have been pleasantly surprised at the available ammo i have found online. Should be a good caliber for the 200 yds and under hunting i typically do.

[@knallis.hjemmelading]

Nice to hear an American ho know history outside of the us🇺🇸🇳🇴👍

[@ryansams9500]

Let's not forget the 264 winchester magnum. Which is a 6.5mm projectile going really fast

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Ryan, I didn't want to get into all of the other 6.5's including the real long range 6.5's like the 6.5 Norma which is a 284 Win necked down to 6.5 and was a really hot cartridge for F class shooting at 1000 yards for awhile.

[@rickyflinchum2909]

The 264 win mag is a very fine cartridge.

[@hardball107]

The 6.5x55 is a grand cartridge but at the time it was popular in Europe we had the 30-06 and 308 over here. The 6.5Cm is a short action cartridge and with a more modern SAMMI chamber and twist rates they are much tighter providing fantastic accuracy. Over the last 50+ years I've owned many rifles and one of my favorite hunting rifles is a 270 Win, I shot High Power National Match off and on for 30 years both with M1 Garands and an M1a. I am a convert to the 6.6Cm, bought a used Savage 12FV a few years back and started loading my own ammo for it and to my surprise, recoil was nothing and out of the gate I was posting .5" groups. After a little load development those 5 shot groups shrank to to .3". Hard to beat that so I started loading 90 grainers for 'chucks, to bad for them if they were inside 450 yards or so. I already knew it was a good round for deer sized critters, my son and daughter had been dropping them DRT at stupid ranges for years. All in all, IMHO it's popularity is based on new shooters looking for a "Do All" rifle for a first gun, has to be one of the best for that. From Woodchucks to Whitetails it's hard to beat and won't beat you up on ammo price or recoil. Would I use it for Elk, NO but for what it's intended for it's tough to beat. As for our economy hold on, we are in for it. 2008 all over again thanks to the Democrats, it's amazing we've lasted 2 years with them screwing everything up but now I believe we are really going to pay for our stupidity.

[@easttexan2933]

@Den Fischmann, I too, love the 6.5 but mine is the 6.5 swede. I have a M96 Swede mauser that was professionally sporterized years ago that consistently put 3 touching at a 100 and that with a receiver date of 1912. The 2650fps "advertised" velocity produces very little noticeable recoil which I love. You are 100% correct in your analysis of how deadly that cartridge is. One shot drop in their tracks is the norm (center of the front shoulder and a tad high is my shot POA). Even this 6.5 swede with reduced velocities is a good cartridge for elk/mule deer inside 300 yds with the right bullet. Of course one can handload the swede to better 6.5CM velocities (larger case capacity) in modern firearms, hence the reason for the swede's light loadings. Even with Hornady's Superformance loadings I only see about 100fps increase. The 6.5 has been around since 1894 and because of the CM, it's here to stay.

[@kentowens2179]

Barrel twist. If both the cartridges were chambered in custom barrels with 1-7 twist, to shoot high BC bullets, I doubt you'd see much difference, if any. Enjoyed your video.

[@joemass1023]

Shoulder Angle matters. We've learned a lot about the benefits of a greater shoulder angle thanks to Mr. Ackley.

[@galenhisler396]

I still love my pre 64 winchester in 270

[@BigT27295]

Thanks Tom. God bless you and your family...

[@larrysayers1377]

Good observation on the 6.5 but I do think significant contributing factors in the rise of the Creedmore (now 6.5 PRC/7mm PRC etc) is we now have a younger generation (I’m in my early 60s), the Internet, KZbin, Social Media and now the rise of AR platform hunting rifles or bolt action rifles that have an AR look. I was in a local shop looking at a Bergara B14 Hunter in 30-06 and the young clerk cited the 6.5 Creed and acted like I just accused him of having parents who were brother and sister he was so offended when I told him the 6.5 Creed has no significant advantages over the 260 Rem, 7-08 Rem, 270 etc etc. Also, that 1885 looks absolutely gorgeous. Looking forward to the videos on that.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks Larry, and I can't wait to shoot it. And I bet he did have a funny look on his face!

[@rickyflinchum2909]

I want one of those 1885's now. That is a fine looking rifle.

[@ReloadingWeatherby]

Hornady marketing is very good.

[@christopherquinn7858]

It’s my understanding that one of the other improvements with the 6.5 CM is how they spec’d the chamber dimensions. The free bore and overall tolerances are tighter, which in some cases makes the average off the shelf rifle and ammo combination shoot better. Of course you could do the same with a custom rifle in any cartridge.

[@cbsbass4142]

Agreed that the 6.5 CM is a great cartridge. I kinda got turn off of it because every time I watched G & A TV, and they had a rifle they mentioned it. They mentioned it So many times I was already tired of it and didn't even have one. So, when it came time to order a barrel, I had four choices for a short action. 6.5 Creedmoor, .260 Rem., 6.5X47 Lapua, and 6.5X284 Norma (which has also won a heap of trophies). Anyway, I picked the .260 Remington. It just seemed to be the easiest to run .308 brass into the dies when people who don't reload toss their .308 brass on the ground at the range. I really like the 6.5X55 Swede but had no long action available for a barrel project. Tikka chambers for it as well at J. P. Sauer & Sohn in their Sauer 100. My main beef is the loading manuals all seem to think everyone is shooting it in rifles built in the late 1800s so offer seemingly mild pressure loads instead of any for modern rifles. Hornady already seems (or IS) biased and don't even allow the .260 a max load comparable to their 6.5 Creedmoor at least in the #10 manual. Anyway, .260 is what I have with a 1 in 8 twist, on purpose. I would have picked it, or the 6.5 X55 or even the 6.5X284 Norma or even the 6.5X57 before the Creedmoor, mainly due to the hype. Now the various PRCs have offered a blessed distraction and the crowds have moved over to that hoochie coochie tent until the next new thing. I await my .222 Remington Barrel (instead of a .22 Creedmoor). In spite of my preferences. I can't wait to see the project as always.

[@TheREALLibertyOrDeath]

Your going to love your 222

[@Mike-xi4zt]

There are people who believe the 6.5 creedmoor has magic fairy dust that makes it more accurate than anything else. And they are the people who really don't understand that a projectile has the same drop and windage movement if the ballistic coefficient and the velocity is the same and it doesn't matter what the cartridge is or the case is if the velocity and ballistic coefficient are the same.

[@TherealBartcephus]

I’ve been hunting for that rifle for a while now, you sir are a lucky son of gun to find it! Congrats and I’m sure it will be a great series

[@accordio321]

I picked one up for my sons first hunting rifle because the recoil is just a little higher than the .243 and it can reach out a little further. I wanted to get something that he could handle and something that would still have more versatility than a 243 or 223 that he would still want to grab for hunting when he is a grown man. Found a real nice Tikka with a walnut stock and guaranteed 1 MOA. Very happy with it. I’m certain marketing along with the timing of you-tubers had a lot to do with making it popular. Who knows how long it will remain popular. Maybe it’s just a trend. All the same, I’m happy with what I got and I hope it’s something that he will be able to look back fondly at.

[@jameshoggard7471]

That high wall looks nice! I have my dads sporterized Swedish Mauser and it will shoot it’s butt off. I have less than 1/2” groups with at 100yds. I have owned shot the 6.5 creedmore in 2 different rifles, don’t have either one. Hopefully this coming deer season I can take a deer with that 120yr old rifle with my hand loads.

[@RobertMartin-fl2dx]

Just discovered your channel and would like to say thank you for such an informative and interesting podcast. Saved you on my favorite list and will listen to all the shows you have placed on KZbin. Thanks, R.E.M.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks Robert, I'm glad you're enjoying my content.

[@johnandrosemarywyatt977]

Ammo options, availability, and price make the creedmoor a big winner.

[@bobbyboothe8964]

I'm starting to see alote of used 6.5 up for sale. I'm thinking the big hype was blown away out of the water. Great to see Yr doing well

[@kentgoldings]

6.5 CM factory ammo is expensive and hard to find. It’s easy to justify trading it for a 308 or 223.

[@arthurparris6223]

@@kentgoldings 6.5 CM is easy to find here in NC.

[@kentgoldings]

@@arthurparris6223 That’s great to hear.

[@titomish5914]

Where at? Here in CA they are really popular and i have never seen a used rifle for sale yet… are you sure you’re not just a hater and you just make thing up to bad mouth the caliber??

[@bobbyboothe8964]

@@titomish5914 look at GunBroker

[@zayacz123]

Sweet pick for a new project! I love single shots!

[@kentgoldings]

The short answer to the popularity of 6.5 CM is successful marketing. The long answer is nuanced. All things being equal, if you have access to custom gunsmithing, you have no need for a 6.5 CM. Any number of pre-existing 6.5 mm chamberings will match or exceed the capabilities of the Creedmoor. As a hunting platform, the 6.5 CM is does not exceed the 308 Winchester in versatility. Nevertheless, it is easy to convert existing 308 Winchester rifles to chamber 6.5 CM and most 6.5 CM chambered rifles come with a factory barrel with a 1:8 twist. A 6.5 CM factory rifle with a 1:8 twist is capable of stabilizing the 140 to 150 grain match bullets. All of a sudden, a competent shooter can hit targets at 1,000 yards with an out-of-the-box rifle and factory ammo. This dude tells the story of his magic 1,000 yard rifle and rest is retail history. I own both 308 Winchester and 6.5 CM and have vast experience shooting both at ranges from 100 to 1,000 yards off the bench. The 6.5 CM is more fun to shoot targets. It’s natural for people to want to hunt with the same rifle. FWIW, I prefer the 6.5 PRC, but it has a much shorter barrel-life and the ammo is hard to get.

[@abolishwelfare]

I have a Sako 85 in .260 REM. and a Winchester Mod. 70 in 6.5 Creed. I have used them to hunt white tail over cut corn and soybean fields. I’ve made shots with both out to 350 yards. At that distance, deer can’t tell the difference, and neither can I 🤣

[@prevost8686]

I’m getting to be an older fart so I admit that I’m set in my ways and don’t even have interest in 99% of new things in guns and calibers. Having said that I’m glad that new “fads” in the shooting industry generate new interest among younger enthusiasts. That’s a good thing. If you’re a gun and ammunition manufacturer and you’re investing a fortune in launching a new chamber you’ve got to get your marketing department to pull out all the stops to make a case for the new chambering.

[@cbsbass4142]

Winchester MODEL 70 Featherweight 24 in. barrel available right now in 6.8 Western. But at my local stores there is not a box to be had of the ammo for it....270 win. is everywhere.

[@Zero-eq7mp]

Thats for uploading a video about a topic that just popped into my head right now and here you are 11 hours ahead of the game. Subscriber gained

[@bobd8553]

Lookin forward to this project.

[@Greyzonecompliant]

As a Swedish hunter shooting the 6.5x55. I must thank you for inventing the 6.5 grendel. If you really want a shorter lighter rifle it is excellent. And it hits hard for its size. 👍

[@fedup3582]

Looking forward to seeing your experience with that new 1885. Having owned and used multiple 1885's and B78's, you will want to be sure that the barrel is free floated and remember that the fore end hanger is capable of flexing a bit too.

[@drunknnirish]

Marketing plain and simple

[@2pugman]

I purchased the 6.5 Creedmor 'cause of its lighter recoil. I load up to 39 grs of a few different powders to get excellent accuracy. I'm too old to handle a 308 or my old favorite, 30-06.

[@steveH2900]

Thanks for answering something that's bugged me, why the 6.5 Creed got so popular in the US. I can understand the target viewpoint, but I've shot a 6.5x55 for some years now here in the UK and this particular rifle has shot probably a hundred deer from big Reds to little Muntjac. It's certainly as powerful, at least as accurate and will do on game what the Creed will but the old 6.5x55 does more for way less pressure and that in my book gives it the win. BTW, very nice rifle you've got there, look forward to watching it. Great vids, thanks.

[@Dmcquown]

I just picked up a Winchester 1885 high wall in 6mm creedmoor so I’m very interested to see how yours turns out! Looking forward to this one.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Dalton, I can't wait to find out how it shoots myself.

[@runningwithscissors3997]

Great video - 2 things that always change, people and conditions. Enjoy that fishing - them largeheads are moving up.

[@cbsbass4142]

I just got my .222 Shaw Barrel for my project, Tom. It took 15 weeks--about 5 more than normal. Got stuck on the ejector and spent a good while trying to install that. For some reason I had a harder time head-spacing this one than I did on my very first barrel install. Using a new bolt ordered earlier as the one that came with the used gun had seen better days. Anyway, I ordered a 24-inch, Magnum contour, .222, 8-inch twist, with recessed crown. Sits nicely and well free floated in the Model 10 FP pillar bedded stock that came with the .223 heavy barrel. It will do until maybe I order a nice walnut from Boyds. I never did shoot that .223 barrel. I'll try to get to the range to start a break in and see if it can keep up with the Remington Varmint in .223. The Winchester 1885 also comes in .222 Remington. I wish they had not discontinued the 6.5x55. Winchester is getting bad about discontinuing things.

[@edwardabrams4972]

It’s popular Tom because of the ballistics and recoil and the ability to shoot well for women and kids because of the less recoil! Have seen the crazes come and go over my 60+ years of hunting and collecting. The history of the 6.5 caliber has helped it too!

[@kentuckywindage222]

Don't for us banged up guy's. I'm full of shrapnel and the 6.5 and 6mm, 243 in particular with a good 100 grain bullet and shot placement has worked to 425 yards. No run just a step DRT.

[@gilream]

The 6.5 Creedmoor did not explode in popularity immediately...it took 6-8 years. One of its attributes is that EVERY chamber in every rifle is a match chamber. (Standardization through SAAMI has built in tight tolerances.)

[@wheelzandgillz]

Hell I never even heard of 6.5crd till I was shopping for a new .308 and saw there was waay more 6.5crd factory boxes of ammo on the shelves over .308 in my area and I wasnt reloading at the time, Ive always wanted a .260 but hardly anyone had a heavy barreled .260 or ammo and 6.5prc hadnt hit the market yet. Fast forward 3 years now I reload and 6.5prc has crept up on shelves pretty much everywhere I go, Im pretty sure 6.5prc will be my next rifle if not it will be my next barrel I spin on whenever I shoot the 6.5crd barrel out

[@jaybailleaux630]

That is awesome ! Nothing wrong with the 6.5 Creed more. It is effective and hits over it's head considering ballistics, recoil , and killing power. Does everything you need. It is beat by many other large cartridges but it goes back to what you need. Do you need the power of an 06 or 7mm Mag for deer hunting and paper punching? 6.5 Creed more should match well with a nice trim single shot.

[@davecollins6113]

I've had a 6.5x55 in a 96 Mauser, used it for service rifle comps, loved it. For whatever reason, I went to a 7x57 after that, partially ammo supply back then, early 80's, for the same purpose, loved it too. Then I went to a 7-08 for hunting gun, about 1985 or 86. It has done everything I asked it to do from silohouettes to moose and in between, it proved itself many times over. I passed on a super nicely stocked #1 in 6.5CM in favor of another 7-08, didn't feel like setting up for a new cartridge. Then, just before retiring, decided I wanted a a range gun, ended up buying a Tikka TAC A 1, in 6.5CM of all things. Now I want an 1885 with the 28" bbl in 6.5CM, I wouldn't mind a low wall, but, want the long bbl, they swing far nicer offhand. I converted a Browning highwall from 22-250 to 32-40win and shot Coors Scheutzenfest for a few yrs, did ok with it, don't let anyone tell you you can't make an 1885 shoot.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Dave I would have loved to of found this rifle in 6.5x55 just for the nostalgia. But given the supply of components now it's probably best I got it in 6.5CM. And my go to hunting rifle for the woods is my Featherweight in 7x57 which is identical to the 7mm-08 and I think the 2 most underrated hunting cartridges out there.

[@robertdunbar5854]

Been shooting 260 Remington since introduction. It never really took off , never could understand that. Its a great cartridge.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Robert, I never really understood that either and then the 6.5 Creedmoor comes along and people can't quit talking about?

[@donaldblankenship510]

Great information Tom! I will stick with my .308. Nice Winchester rifle you bought. I am looking forward to the new project. Enjoy fishing.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Thanks Donald, and if I had stumbled across this rifle in 308 I would have gotten that as well.

[@zxej6879]

I have an old 1916 German Mauser. A cousin had a WW1 issue 30-06, and a 1970's Remmington 700 in 30-06. The modern 30-06 shot so much nicer than either WW1 rifle. I wanted to teach the grandkids long range shooting. So I bought a Ruger American Predator in 6.5 Creedmoor. And at the time I could get plenty of ammo for an okay price. Then the Creedmoor became more popular, and the price went up. I bought a 308 chambered Desert Tech MDRX and a Tikka T3x lite in 270. And put some nice scopes on all 3. All my other rifles have been iron sights only. But the 3 newer rifles shoot so sweet compared to the old ones. And the scopes take a lot of the guesswork out of the long range shots. Since previously the grandkids only shot 22lr and pistol caliber carbines. The 6.5 Creedmoor was a great stepping stone for the grandkids. And the 270 and 308 were not so scary for them after shooting them.

[@SteveBl]

Looking forward to seeing more of the new rifle. I’ve been interested in those. As for the 6.5, well I own a 260 Remington in a Ruger M77. It has a 1:8 twist barrel. Yeah, it does exactly what a 6.5 Creed does, but now getting ammo for my 260 is getting more challenging. Even reloading is hard these days. I bought the 260 for my kids as a low recoil deer rifle. Now I use it as a deer rifle. I never saw it as any sort of “magic” caliber that killed deer any better than any other caliber and never considered it to be a good choice for elk or moose.

[@cbsbass4142]

I am able to find tons of brass for .260 and forming it is easy of you just run 308 brass into the 260 die and neck down the .308. Since I have no .308 now, but had brass, I have at least a couple boxes worth for .260. Both Nosler and Lapua have some as well as Starline

[@adamelam6385]

Nothing wrong with a 6.5cm but for strictly traditional hunting ranges you are trading down if you are leaving your .308, 7mm-08, .270, 25-06, or 30-06. It doesn't have a real advantage over those outside of less recoil over the long action rounds and .308.

[@alexsandersmith1880]

The nice thing about the 6.5X55, is a surplus rifle made from the best steel and adhering to the highest manufacturing standard can be converted to an excellent hunting rifle for a reasonable price.

[@gregphillips1998]

I love your humor and honesty. I’m like you, a dinosaur. Lol. I 10,000% agree with you about the 6.5 Creedmore and other new cartridges. I’m a diehard 30-06 man and always will. Another person I respect with his knowledge had said on one of his videos is that the metric cartridges didn’t catch on here and I can agree even though many of those are the same ballistically as the American cartridges. I’m still rooting for you to get that .257 Roberts shooting good. I have a Sako L579 rebarreled in .257 Roberts that my Uncle had custom made many years ago for shooting groundhogs in Virginia. I was a tac driver but I’ve been having accuracy problems. I don’t know if is the ammo or after watching your videos that the stock may have warped. Ammo for it is very hard to find and when you do it is extremely expensive. Anyway, keep up the videos and good luck with the new kid on the block.

[@308blr2]

Good assessment! For three years I’ve been looking for my favorite model of rifle in 6.5x55. Every day I could have purchased that rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor. Just don’t want one.

[@wasachevyguy]

Because Hornady are MASTERS of marketing. Nothing more, nothing less.

[@ericandersen9526]

I fell in love with the 6.5 x 55 while I was in Scandinavia at a Safari Club shoot.. So when I got back to the states …I wanted to buy a left hand bolt rifle in 6.5x55 ..couldn’t find one…So I ended up with a 6.5 Creedmoor in a custom Barrel Savage model 14 classic sporter.. I have since shot 6 Whitetail bucks with it using Federal Premium ammo in 130 gr Swift bullet Co .Scriocco II bullets ..all have dropped in their tracks..The thing that impressed me in Scandinavia was the long range performance of the 6.5 bullet…I spent a lot of time shooting 200 to 400 meters with the 6.5x55 Swede over there… We were shooting Norma golden target in 129 gr bullet..speed on the Norma box was 3040 fps ..that’s as fast as my 270 and in a shorter case.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Eric, it's funny you mention that because I was just talking to someone about how American ammo companies down load so many cartridges. We were talking about the 7x57 but the same goes for the 6.5x55 and the 270 Win for that matter. The original loading for the 270 from Winchester in 1930 was over 3100 fps. And the Europeans have always ran the 7x57 and 6.5x55 at much higher pressures than American companies, which is why I specifically bought Norma for the 6.5x55.

[@evancastner8127]

Im had the same confusion. The 6.5x55 aka sweedish mauser is a bad ass rifle and always has been!

[@cedarhillkennels3252]

The creedmoor took off because of marketing and great twisting of the truth. The 6.5cm is everything that everything else isn’t and then some. You just can’t deny tht hornady put tons of money into marketing and paying these sports writers to write about it, even if the artical wasn’t about the 6.5 it was brought up. I got nothing against it, I own one but it’s just a play rifle, grandkids can shoot it with little recoil but I still would rather shoot my 270s

[@jasonscott5043]

You didn’t mention twist rates on the barrels that are standard issue for the three cartridges you talked about. Maybe that has something to contribute to popularity.

[@andyschuler3459]

It’s more than just marketing, it’s the entire “package” that Hornady put together. Remember that recommended twist rate and throat design are part of the cartridge spec, not just the piece of brass. 6.5cm has a twist (1:8 compared to 1:9 for 260rem) and a throat designed around the 140eldm/143eldx. Hornady produced tons of high quality match grade ammo with these bullets making their ammo offerings shoot very consistently. Good ammo availability and support from Hornady gives rifle manufacturers confidence to chamber rifles in it, especially when their rifles shoot really good with factory ammo. It’s become the “easy button” for a good shooting rifle off the shelf. Combine that with mild recoil and good ballistics and you can see why it’s so popular.

[@cbsbass4142]

My .260 barrel has a 1 in 8 twist and Savage chambers for it in their Apex Hunter, Storm and Predator 24 inch now with 1 in 8 twist. My first load after my build gave me a .395 group at 100 yds with H4831sc and 120 gr ELD Match.

[@mattcrowell7945]

I don't understand why the 7mm-08 is not more popular it does everything the Creedmoor does and has been around since about 1980. But it never seemed to get as popular as 6.5cm

[@pikeman0357]

What is the make and model of that rifle please???

[@308guy8]

They marketed the heck out of the creedmoor. Im almost in disbelief that u bought one. I've seen the difference firsthand in the field. I will stick with my 308

[@Oldhogleg]

It's mainly because a fast twist rate is standard for the 6.5CM without having to install a custom barrel, and fits in a more common and lighter short action. I've been using 260REM since the 90's, but I rebarreled with a 1/7 twist rate, but must people don't want to go threw the expense and hassle.

[@bradwolfgram6345]

I never got into all these short mags and all the non belted bullets . I’m old fashioned I guess. I will stick with the common bullets . It’s hard enough to get them as it is. I remember when the 7mm STW was a big thing and now you don’t ever hear anything about that anymore. Will the 6.5 stick around? I guess we will see.

[@trevorkolmatycki4042]

Shooting sports in general took off in popularity during this time due in large part to the arising information about the sports via internet social media. 6.5CM just happened to be the new cartridge at the time that this shift occurred. The Europeans have been hunting with a less is more philosophy for a long time… it was inevitable for this to eventually be discovered in North America. The pendulum will swing back to the middle.

[@grizzlycountry1030]

When did something to long become a problem? *Me thinking of all the times a bolt, nail, screw, lightbulb, board, part, etc was to long.*

[@carfvallrightsreservedwith6649]

The sobering realization of the 6.5 caliber is it was designed to effectively shoot men before it was accepted as a great hunting cartridge. Guess the same could be said of .308 and .223.

[@frankgrillo8094]

Love your channel and spot on analysis-- the magic in 6.5 creed is - "CREEDMOOR " designation. as for me I've been killing antelope & mule deer with a 25-06 for 50 yrs. just splendidly! But I have begun to refer to my .308 win as the new7.62 creedmoor! when asked at the range , where i git knowing nods and thumbs up all around-- smoke and mirrors 😅

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

LOL!

[@rickescover1862]

Up to the late 80's early 90's the 6.5 caliber, bullet selection was limited and poorly constructed. When Remington released the 260 rem. First mistake Was a 10 twist rate barrel and second mistake Remington did not support the cartridge with only the corelock available. When Hornady introduced the 6.5 Creedmore with a 1-8 twist and they flooded the market with endless options of loaded ammunition.

[@michaelshuey1614]

Preach it brother!

[@danielboggan2479]

Norway and Sweden had the same monarch for a long time?”, but the king was definitely Swedish. After a big hissyfit being thrown over embassy’s they eventually split up, but the king being himself Swedish lead to them being a first among equals with Norway following their lead for the most part though they didn’t merge into one country and retained separate parliaments

[@samuelberryhill2804]

Thanks for your videos man.i believe I'll stick with my 308 and not worry about the needmoore.if I was to pick a .264 caliber cartridge it would be 6.5x47 lupua or 260 rem. I feel for the bullet weights and the effective ranges these two cartridges would well.now if you like speed the 6.5x285 works well alove with alot of others but no Matter the velocity the .264 caliber is ment for game smaller than elk.it is not an elk caliber I believe .277 caliber is to small for elk but it can be done and has been for years.keep up the good work God bless

[@RMosher11]

Many Moose have been taken with 270 Win, nevermind Elk.

[@patrickgallagher4344]

The biggest reason the 6.5 calibers are so popular now is because everyone is caught up in ballistic coefficient witch means very little in hunting situations. I will take bullet mass and frontal area in a bullet any day! That’s why I like the 308!

[@trg3761]

Ill be sticking with the 308w for serious hunting, the 6.5 don't have the bullet weight.

[@titomish5914]

@@trg3761 what size game do you hunt?

[@dundonrl]

The bullet coefficient applies for longer range shots, it just extends how far you can safely shoot your target.

[@EatingWild]

Sticking to my 7mm-08

[@rossbagley2734]

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[@guns4funfreedomkeeper999]

It seems to be somewhat generational to me. When the 6.5 CM came out, i went out and bought one in a heavy bench rifle configuration. It was accurate and light recoiling so I bought a light weight one that was more intended for hunting. It never impressed me enough to give up my old 270 win so I never hunted with it. My son on the other hand, once he caught wind that I had that little CM in the safe, that is all he hunts with any more. To each their own I guess.

[@titomish5914]

And what kind of results has he been having with it?

[@hotramen5952]

didnt kick you in the shoulder enough to make that dick look bigger aye?

[@kylecasetta4091]

Have a 308, 270. Always wanted a 260 rem . Haven't gotten the market buzz from the creed. Tho a tika in 6.5x55 does have some appeal too.

[@mlwardssa]

I enjoy watching your videos and can appreciate that you're starting a new project, but I don't think you finished the 7x57 project yet, have you? The last video I saw, it still wasn't shooting quite up to what you were after.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Michael, you are correct I was planning on finishing up the 7x57 while working on the 1885. I always like to carry 2 rifles to the range so that one can cool while I shoot the other one. There's nothing more boring than waiting on a barrel to cool.

[@todsimpkins8908]

Enjoy the fishing Tom.

[@shermanwright6382]

6.5 creedmoor has a 1 in 8 twist barrel the 260 Remington has a 1 in 10 twist

[@Hudge76]

I’ve never seen a factory 1:10 twist in a .260 Rem. They originally came out in a 1:9 twist by Remington. Remington eventually went to a 1:8 in many of them, but too little too late. My Savage .260 Rem is a 1:8 twist and a great little rifle.

[@tonydevich7937]

7-08,another good cartridge

[@DuStKalle]

For me, the 6.5 Creedmoor with the right choice of bullets does everything the other non-magnum rounds do within a sensible hunting distance of up to 400 meters for sure. However, with less recoil, not because I am "recoil sensitive" but because it is easier to do follow-up shots, and quieter, which is advantageous in many hunting situations, especially the farming countryside (unless you use a suppressor which is extra weight and length and anyway forbidden in Canada). More remarkably, it allows you to use a muzzle brake without deafening yourself if you couldn't use earplugs in hunting. And with muzzle brake and 26-inch barrel, I find it literally shoots almost like 22 Winmagnum with all bonuses of aiming, observation of the impact, and rapid follow-ups!

[@adam-k]

If is also identical to the 6.5x55 that is a 100+ year old cartridge.

[@DuStKalle]

@@adam-k For hunting, absolutely. In fact, I did have 6.5X55 before in an old Swedish Mauser, and that is how I fell in love with this sort of cartridge. However, Creedmoor is much more popular and available in America for reasons I do agree with Tim.

[@mr.mr.3301]

The funny thing is now long distance shooters have dropped to 6mm. Soooo there are better hunting and target cartridges. I’ll stay with 308 and 708. But a 6.5 would be good. Just use a premium bullet

[@erich44magnum]

At all my local gun stores there is 6.5 Creedmoor ammo from every ammo manufacturer. And plenty of it. 300 WSM haven’t seen any in three years give me a break…

[@tonydevich7937]

Lov them all

[@bneaclab1]

The only thing wrong with the creedmoor is that some people seem to think it is a long range elk cartridge....Like the other cartridges mentioned, it is a fantastic 300 yard deer round, but that is it.

[@chriskendziora5424]

I have a Hi wall in 45-70 excellent shooter enjoy..

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Chris, I can't wait to see how this one shoots!

[@josephr2766]

6.5 creedmoor was developed for nra high power for easy recoil easy shooting high bc bullets long range target shooting. It wasn’t developed as a hunting round. Many people including advertising executives found a way to push it to the public even though that’s not what it’s designed for. Now with my personal experience, Ruger American with floppy plastic stock with factory ammo never fails to shoot any worse than 1/2 moa with five shot groups. Even as a hand loader that’s fairly impressive, so to the none hand loader it’s might impressive. And no it’s not my hunting round it’s just a paper puncher for me, hand loads average .3 moa.

[@bpm990d]

Absolutely correct about the purpose of the cartridge, it was designed for NRA High Power. One that could be used in a short action (specifically the Tubb 2000).

[@JUDGERAMBO]

New name new eyes look upon.

[@troywesterbur706]

I’m with you I don’t understand other than marketing. I will stick with my 243 for that size of rifle . My 308 for next size up and my 300 wtby for large and dangerous game. Oh yay all are good for long range. My 30/30 for inside 100 in the brush. My bow and arrow for everything I can. I am old fashioned I upgraded to a compound bow a couple years ago. But I still have my recurve and long bows as well. 6.5 creedmore is a good cartridge but I am not running out to get one. I would be more inclined to get 5.56 or 223. But I don’t need one of those either.

[@kamilklein2880]

And to add to your analysis (which I totally agree with): people jump on the 6.5 CM praising its shortness and then they buy a rifle with a standard length action, which most are today for production cost savings (Tikka, Mauser, Sauer etc.)! I just don't get it! They could have got the 6.5x55 without sacrificing anything in cartridge performance or compactness of the rifle platform. Just MHO, cheers!

[@easttexan2933]

Tom, I sent some pics of the JC Higgins to your email address in case you're still interested in it. IMHO the Creedmoor popularity was due to, as you mentioned, the onset of folks really getting into banging steel at long distance, and the cartridge was born for this hobby and then the #1 reason it took off was a direct result of advertisement. Young people (50 years and younger) are real suckers for advertised things. Just gotta have it lol. Your comment about "when did too long become an issue"? Asked my wife the same question just the other day !! Sorry, couldn't resist.

[@ericc3327]

The older I get, the more dinosaur I’m becoming. Instead of a new rifle in a new cartridge, I just picked up an original marlin 1881. Gotta embrace my inner trex!

[@adam-k]

The only thing it brought to the table is that you can use a short action rifle. The rest of the cartridges are a little bit longer.

[@william16845]

6.5 grendel is where its at for me,its cheap to reload,no recoil and incredibly accurate up to 400yards.in my area no one really kills a deer past 200,and thats rare..

[@2punish1]

The 6.5 Creedmoor took off because of how it was marketed by Hornady. If Remington used the same marketing strategy as Hornady, the 7mm-08 would have taken off in popularity.

[@johnkizziah108]

Nice rifle I'm a high wall boy my swift is a high wall.

[@joebob4609]

I would like to add to the end. After food, water, ammo etc. is took care of keep 35% in gold 15% in silver to hedge against inflation. 20% in “regional” banks for bills. 30% cash on hand. Take it or not I’m not a financial advisor.

[@Yelladog78]

It's your gun so cartridge choice is yours 100% I just can't get behind the cartridge because it's pushed so hard by Hornady and the manbun crowd. "If" I purpose bought a 6.5 it'd be the swede 1st and the 260 rem 2nd

[@stevenanderson6658]

Because people don't know any better. It's basically identical twin the 260 remington has almost disappeared.. I will stick with my 300 win mag.

[@tacticalmattfoley]

It's weird that the 30TC, parent case for both Creedmoors, has all but died out.....maybe that's something to think about.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

OSES, I agree that is strange at how the 30TC has almost disappeared? I guess it just didn't have enough of an advantage for enough people to choose it over the .308 if they were going to get a 30 caliber? Something else that I find interesting is how the 284 Winchester is dominating F class shooting now? Lapua even started making new brass for the 284 because it has gotten so popular for that. Maybe the 30TC finds a similar niche for a specific type of target shooting one day?

[@Eggomania86]

Another reason why Hornady's 6.5 Creedmoor took off was because of marketing. Hornady did an exceptional job in promoting the Creedmoor. The reason why Remington's .260 failed was because they didn't have the twist rate right for the .260 Rem. Remington gave their. 260's a 1 and 9" twist rate as opposed to a 1 and 8" twist or 1 and 7" found on both The Swede and the Creed! Here in the US, metric cartridges have never historically faired well in popularity. With the exception of 7x57mm Mauser, to some extent recently, with 6.5x55. With all that being said, any of those 6.5's will serve people well whether you hunt medium game to competition. In Scandinavia, 6.5x55 is still found in the winner's circles at many competitions, just like 6.5 Creedmoor is found in the winner's circle in the USA. 6.5x55 isn't as popular because of action length. Also, older Swedish Mauser rifles are not as strong as modern rifles. Therefore, the swedes ammo is loaded to lower pressures.

[@cbsbass4142]

Yes. That gripes me that the manuals all cater to loads for OLD rifles. It's as if they don't know people are still chambering for 6.5X55 and not only shooting old milsurps. A perfect time and situation for load testing I guess.

[@trg3761]

I don't know why but i cant warm to the 6.5s, if i was to try one it would be the PRC

[@scottearnst8152]

Maybe barrel twist rate?

[@davidbrust4104]

As for your 257 project try a less hot load Winchester model 70 featherweight s don't seem to like hot loads my 3006 shoots remington corelokts but hates federal

[@charlesludwig9173]

6.5/284. It’s MOA wind constant makes it #1 for Long-Range. Downside is throat erosion. Can’t buy an X-Ring hit after about 500 rounds even in prevailing wind. I used mine for NRA Match Rifle and Any/Any Division shooting. It cost too much to rebarrel thus I now shoot in Service Rifle Division of LR with .223 AR. It’s cheap, fun, and the most difficult shooting but it sure does inspire marksmanship development.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Charles I heard the 284 Win was starting to dominate the long range competitions now. I wonder if it's because of barrel life?

[@phild9813]

I hear what you’re saying. I think there is some technology change involved in its success however. With the precision of today’s manufacturing equipment, rifle manufacturers can take a lot of slop out of chambers as a result of ammunition manufacturers being able to build ammunition so precisely. Put another way, there is an inherent accuracy in combinations of 6.5cm factory rifles and ammunition as a result of these factors. Factory ammunition support is huge as well.

[@TomRiverSimpleLiving]

Phil, I think the design of the 6.5 case does statistically give a little better accuracy on average. A short fat case has a slight accuracy advantage over a long thin case, again on average. There's to much variation from rifle to rifle to say it always produces better accuracy. And I do think the bullets are made better now? But that's about it. I've seen not very accurate new rifles and not very accurate old rifles and I've seen very accurate ones old and new also. I also think the metallurgy is better now but that's about it. As far as I know Savage rifles are still made using button rifling and they are still hand straightened and Savage makes some of the most accurate barrels out there. Most of the top end custom barrel makers are still using cut rifling and the problem they have is finding the machinery because no one makes it anymore. It's the oldest technology there is and it's still producing the most accurate barrels. Most of our technology today isn't better it's just more efficient and lets companies make more money.

[@phild9813]

All great points. Hard to know for sure, but you’d know better than me. I do recall the “short, fat” argument when the 300wsm came out, and that it was what ammo manufacturers used to develop components. I really prefer the 300wsm as my 30 caliber magnum, but I’m not sure how much more inherent accuracy there is. Too many other variables as you speak to.

[@MarcosCaminante]

Twist rate and high BC bullets. If those things were prevalent in 1997 and Remington had a faster twist rate in the 260, the CM would have never happened. It did. More shooters are great. Listening to some guy with his first rifle telling me the 30-06, 308, 7mm08 or 6.5 Swede sucks because the CM is the most “technically advanced blah, blah blah,” is not so great. Not near as great as the cartridge itself. I’ve been watching your 1885 series and strangely found the first video last. Thanks for the work.