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documentation of a 6.7L PowerStroke EGR cooler failure in an urban ambulance with high idle times.

[@AdventureWithDanan]

Thanks Bill, You're videos are awesome. I'll bet Ford engineers even use your videos to find out what went wrong.

[@joker432]

Just an FYI people, the reason ambulances are idled for extended periods is because there is so much equipment that would need to be powered by the batteries alone if the engine was not running. I am a firefighter/EMT and we do not just do mindless idling to put more wear and tear on our equipment, the ambulances will die if you leave them off and not plugged into a shoreline.

[@bababooey7576]

+joker432 No arguments from me.

[@ryaneldredpa]

It's a shame. Alot of fire departments and emergency services that have vehicles with the "pollution controls" are encountering just what the video portrays. We'll I'm here to tell you there is such a thing as a good clean running diesel that's tuned properly. No argument about it whatsoever. Can't remember specifically what department it was. A house and lives were lost due to a truck shutting down because of the pollution control disabling the engine. Try to explain that to the homeowners or family members as to why you didn't show up...

[@bababooey7576]

ryaneldredpa We have some 6.4s in the fleet and they are absolute nightmares...The 6.0 is a dream compared to it.

[@phannypack3951]

ryaneldredpa not our problem or my duty to "show up" i go when the truck goes. stfu.

[@ryaneldredpa]

phanny pack When the truck that provides the specific services it's intended for that didn't make it because it shut down due to emissions when it was enroute to a call. Should have read and understood the initial point of my wording. Chill...

[@joshmindek4840]

For the kind of use that engine has seen, I don't think a $300 part and 3 hours of labor is that bad. It seems the 6.7L is an improvement so far, we will have to wait and see.

[@raider762]

The only way for it not to be clogged is for it to be deleted...

[@denisethomas8902]

Great videos Billy......you've been a big help to me in understanding Diesel engines. Decided to get the 6.7 in my 2017 FSD250. My first diesel. Test drove the 6.2 gas and the 6.7 diesel......the choice was easy...the diesel kicked ass! The 6.2gas was a dog. My diesel tech friend at Village Ford in Dearborn MI...advised me he replaces these EGR all the time. Anyway thanks again man. Great videos!

[@rogelv8td]

how i love the 7.3 non catalyst

[@nitrostateteam]

I use to think it was a bit of a myth that you would go out on the highway and blow the cobwebs out of a motor. My 7.3 smokes a bit every now and then especially after I have been running it conservative for a few days. but after a good run it seems to come clean. I thought it was just a coincidence or bad fuel or something but now this all makes sense. It's the coke build up being burnt out ( of the exhaust manifold I'm guessing ). Thanks again for the education !

[@04MetalMaster]

Love your videos man! I worked at the foundry that made the elbows for the 6.4 egr cooler.

[@stacimccarter531]

13 years and still a problem

[@miamiheatfan3919]

on a side note bill, ambulances idle all the time because they need to maintain the ambient air temperature inside to keep the medications and health equipment fresh. thats why you see blood and other fluids stored at hospitals in air tight cabinets

[@robertfernald7517]

Great information, I have a question about diagnosis on the clog. Did you pull it out because you had a code or did you determine the clog due to a temperature difference on the cooler itself with a lazer thermometer? I have a 2011 F250 with the 6.7 and it has code p0141. Its hard for me to believe its clogged because it only has 78k miles and very low idle time. Any help would be appreciated Thanks

[@ssgpentland8241]

Best idea is to collect the exhaust for the egr system downstream of the DPF. This way the carbon and soot is gone. It also lowers the load on the cooling system. Since the goal is to reduce the oxygen in the combustion chamber to lower emissions, this is a much better option. They already do this on big rigs, and im sure its only a matter of time before this works its way into the medium duty markets. The current egr setup is a result of needing to meet the emissions in order to sell the engines in the US market and were developed rather quickly. They work, but longevity is a problem and this also lets the abrasive carbon into the engines as well.

[@Spearfisher1970]

Great presentation.

[@freestylemx198]

thanks man! im buying a 6.7 F350 soon, so this made me feel so much happier about it. knowing its not a international motor and the new ford scorpion. as always love your videos

[@jupatritri1]

Go for it, I have an 11 F450 with the 6.7, I do horse transportation, my trailer fully loaded is around 27.000 pounds, my truck have a shit load of miles and never have an issue.

[@stayunique91]

Bill, I got a question for. What kind of problems if any, are you seeing with the 6.7 PSD? At the moment I am looking at buying a newer diesel truck somewhere between 2010 and 2012. I have been considering the Cummins but I understand once you start tuning and deleted the emissions equipment they start having head gasket issues. The common fix seems to be install ARP head studs. On the other hand the 6.7 PSD, I haven't heard anything bad about them. However, recently since I started looking my buddy who is a Ford Technician told me that at his dealer they have been coming in often with inconsistent issues. Things like boost issues and DEF problems on the equipped models. So what is your take on the 6.7 PSD? What problems have you seen from them?

[@itsCopello]

+stayunique91 Turbo Failures, EGT Sensors go out OFTEN, oil leaks, Fuel contamination causing high pressure pump failures. Engine Failures from Tuners. Quick Lube places forgetting to put oil in them.

[@MrHeadshot1982]

this is why I stick to my 7.3.love your vids keep up the good work.

[@skwerlee]

Geez I sure am Glad my 5.9 Cummins doesn't have all this emission bullshit.

[@chrisforte8229]

Al Gore is gonna cry himself to sleep tonight when he reads your post! (i'm just making a joke, easy everybody)

[@badlandskid]

Chris Forte I thought he fell asleep listening to "Look for the Union Label"....

[@haloreaper1000]

what would you recommend when deleting the emisions off a new truck. would you delete the EGR, DPF, and DEF all at once for the long haul or would you delete 2 of the 3? i may be in the market for a new 2016 f250 super duty soon and if you can do a video response on this question that would help out new buyers a ton

[@Spahi77]

he is not going to say do the deletes....i doubt he will. I as a DMAX owner have been running optilube, and archopil in my tank interchangeably, and now have about 800 engine hours on the truck, and will have a mechanic open it up to see how it looks. If its isnt that sooty, and the archoil, with the optilube have kept things in check i will keep the emissions systems as long as GM is paying for them...if the intake, and everything looks like a mess....out everything will go

[@gavincurtis]

How about the stupid government change the emissions laws regarding life critical support vehicles such as this. No EGR garbage to make an ambulance or any other emergency response vehicle break down.

[@joedirte1029]

Gavin Curtis Or get rid of the emission laws regarding ALL vehicles.

[@headhunter306]

If it was a egr failure, could it have been fixed just by tuning and deleting it?

[@jimatusda]

Ford finally listened to Mr. Hewitt and powerstrokehelp !

[@V10PDTDI]

Hi bill I love your videos I don't even own a ford but I'm a VW tech And I work on diesel a lot try to find a place where they have a ultrasonic cleaning machine that dirty EGR cooler will come out like new you could have one on the shelf for the next customer as a exchange basis.

[@reboureyn139]

I was reminded of an experience I had with my toyota tacoma by what bill says at the end of the video... "...letting it idle all day and all night..." I like to let my truck cool down for a few minutes when i'm done driving it, i park and let it idle for a few minutes. This particular day I had some stuff to carry inside so i thought i'd take my stuff in and come back outside and shut my truck off. Well i got distracted inside with making a sandwich and forgot to come back outside and shut my truck off. The next day i was getting ready for work and realized i didn't have my keys where they normally are so i went outside to see if i left them in my truck and the fucker had been running all night from 4pm the previous day to 530 then next. I was very thankful it didn't get stolen!

[@taylor2105]

trevor kleinschmidt that's hilarious, I've accidentally left keys in the door of my truck over night. But never left it to idle. I work in the oil patch in northern Canada. Some trucks just sit and idle for weeks without ever being shut down.

[@9102jack]

So a note to ambulance drivers: DRIVE THE BALLBAG OFF IT SOMETIMES!

[@KrazyKratosFan]

***** The 6.0 was in an Ambulance? R.I.P innocent patients.

[@xxbryan715xx]

+Diesel Man we had a 6.0 catch on fire and burn with a patient going to the hospital. we got the patient out safely but the truck was done.

[@xxbryan715xx]

we do on every single call. that is part of the reason we get so many egr problems on the newabulances. the trucks run rich from the pedal being to the floor and they build up soot easily.

[@KrazyKratosFan]

I am surprised that the government doesn't offer any sort of emergency vehicle exemption thing. I would think the extra reliability is a must have for such a vehicle.

[@xxbryan715xx]

Diesel Man​​ we where looking at having our 2 2009 Chevy Kodiak 4500 duramax ambulances straight piped. Not because our patients demanded we roll coal to the hospital but because our ambulances would kick into emergency regeneration mode on the highway. All of this emissions bullshit has made it a nightmare to use these ambulances and fire trucks for our department. If I could I would love to be driving two 7.3 ambulances but the ones that exist have been driven way to hard and should not be put into emergency service anymore.

[@rileyeitel4724]

Your videos are very informative keep up the good work

[@abrahammartin8447]

Love this channel! Well done! I'm getting educated.

[@charlieabbot3649]

Do you have any experience with the Detroit Series 60 DDEC V? I have a coolant leak, bubbles in the coolant, loss of coolant, about 2 gallons every 100 miles. No smoke. We diagnosed it as a bad head gasket. I had one other truck, same symptoms. Just finished the redo. Head was vat cleaned, magnafluxed, new valve stem sleeves and injector O rings with washers. Same problem. Bubble stream is steady, where before it would increase with the heat. What say you? Thanks Charles

[@robertfernald7517]

can they be cleaned out after you take them off?

[@joshpeterson9066]

Hi Bill. I have a 2017 f250. 6.7.... I have a p2457...P259f...p132B code coming up.. I loud ticking started happening today and smoke coming out. If the egr cooler is clogged will it make thar tick sound. Almost sounds like an exhaust leak. And it smokes like crazy. .

[@ueatbetteritrainbetter6706]

Hi I have a international terrastar maxxforce 7 with 123,000 miles it started to throw a lot of white smoke when you drive it and hit the gas, should I replace the egr or delete it? Thanks I saw that the egr part cost around 1,500 and I don't about the labor 😅 I got myself a truck with bad reputation

[@d.t.f1353]

Hello. I have a question: My F450 dually displays 460000 km at the counter, with 4000 h of idle, do you think I should change it to a new one, even if I have no code? I just got my catalyst system cleaned and full particle filter. Thank you for answering me

[@MrPochizzle]

Hi Bill I have a 2013 F-250 platinum. Are there any full soup to nuts quality kits for the 6.7 that delete the egr, dpf and that urea system? Also if it doesn't include a quality tuner whats a good one for the 6.7? I don't want to make tons of power and do burnouts, I'd probably keep it on economy most of the time unless I'm towing the boat or my quad trailer. Also can you recommend a turbocharger that's exactly the same minus the ceramic ball bearings I heard other people talking about that, plus you said it in one of your newer videos or should i just leave it alone. I Just want to get super longevity out of my engine and save on gas. the fluids area always changed right when the computer says to do so by ford. I get there asap when the lights on. I don't beat on my truck ever that's what my sti is for. truck is for comfort and room on long trips plus the ability to get up the mountain to out other house when the road is covered in snow. I love watching your videos your learn so much. thanks ahead

[@ahaobsh]

If its clogged its not working, why delete it? its not going to work anyway???? Help me understand. I know it throws a code, but that is not what I mean. Thanks

[@Zero12495]

goverment wont do shit about people deleting there egr's or dpf. where im at. Id rather get a 200$ ticket vs. the cost Bill just was saying. I mean keep it real..

[@Garth2011]

It's a Federal law and if caught, I believe it's $1,500 the first time. After that, I believe they may seize the vehicle plus fines. Many states don't enforce but remember, it's a federal law so any state you are in "could" nail you. In California, the risk is very high you'll be caught.

[@MultiPmonster]

Is there anything wrong with deleting the EGR all together? I dont believe so im just wondering...

[@itsCopello]

Cetane Booster helps! Ford recommends 45 minimum and most pumps are around 40, its like an hidden octane rating.

[@OpenAirAdventure]

I started using Power Service diesel kleen with cetane. I know it helped . in fact the exhaust clean pretty much doesn't come on since I started using it. So you think it helps with soot build up in the cooler, if so then another bonus. Hope it helps keep the exhaust sencers clean also.

[@itsCopello]

+Kenny Budden Cetane Booster helps lower Soot buildup especially in the EGR system

[@OpenAirAdventure]

+John Copello good to know

[@theq4602]

I wounded how a 7.3 would perform with a 6.7 turbo.

[@Powerstroke-cd2wo]

What do you think of the 6.7, long term?

[@motto_blaine9444]

Great info I have a 2015 on these if u idle for to long it will tell u on you're main screen to go drive so u burn the gases. but now that I know I keep a close eye on it thanks.

[@DonutHole123]

Well, what if these vehicles were equipped with a high idle that raised it to 1200 or so? It might use more fuel but I'm sure it would help with the clogging of the egr.

[@batchnerd]

Not really. Even with high RPMs a diesel still does not generate much heat. Only when it is under load does a diesel generate enough heat.

[@thorpeacres1232]

would a clogged egr make the 6.7 smoke white at idle but not when driving?

[@SteveHolsten]

I thought this would be a thing of the past since it happened on the 6.4L

[@ClintsTractor]

It is a thing of the past, the only reason why it clogged was because of excessive idling... Which will happen to any engine with an EGR system...

[@hernanmeza8279]

i wanted to ask a question? my 6.7 has thet the engine is on idle and it only go up to 5 mph i already change the diesel filter i already put def is a 2012 f350 and i wanted to see if you can help me with this because a lot of people have been telling me that is the egr and i wanted and advice of a profecional before i do something else

[@joserueda3556]

Thank you for this wonderful video. I have a 2012 f250 KR 6.7L. 113K Miles. Check engine light on... EGR Cooler, gasket kit,and NOx sensor replacement are recommended by the Ford dealer. I am debating on doing this repair or performing a complete delete of EGR and down pipe. Any suggestions? Thanks for your help

[@CAMAROFAN45]

Do an egr delete you gain more horse power out of it

[@itsCopello]

+Joel Dale Deleting EGR doesn't give your engine more power.

[@CMH19851]

+John Copello I would tend to think that you will get more power and fuel economy without feeding the engine exhaust gasses, but that's just me. Feed that engine fresh air and get rid of the DPF and all its sensors and you got a masterpiece. I own one so I know. :)

[@SLICKW1993]

Gut the emissions garbage if you can. Your engine will last longer and be more efficient.

[@ILoveAmerica2424]

Very well said.

[@gmrepairhelp2031]

GM found the cure for this in 2011. It's called an EGR cooler bypass valve

[@kilmachine89]

Don't want no ford hate but is the 6.7 a good motor or no is it the same as the 6.0 6.4

[@tariqwalker81]

Its an improvement.

[@psd6ohslow]

Why don't fleets just use gassers? I think the diesel hay days are over. Nothing will be reliable as the 7.3 and 12 valve cummins. Not with all this emissions crap.

[@Xgamer121X]

is there any way you can just clean the egr cooler out? i mean, i dont think its physically impossible.

[@XxCopKilla187xX]

On Navistar engines we have a egr cooler cleaner where it uses a solvent and a flush machine we clean them under warranty when we get egr low flow rate codes

[@Garth2011]

Seems to be fair to say, don't idle them, late models, for long periods of time.

[@Shabahz83]

What are your thoughts on using seafoam seafoamsales.com/ ? Would it help out with the EGR cooler clogging?

[@miket6978]

you gotta love the mindset of fire fighters and EMTs Idle for hours on end and then as soon as you jump in pedal to floor,

[@xxbryan715xx]

these trucks are powering a ton of equipment. Radio's, computers, flashlights, interior lighting, air conditioning for a large patient compartment etc.... these trucks are generally not high idled for as long as he states. when it is your emergency you are going to want these ambulances and all of the equipment functioning and I'm sure you will want the ac or heat properly functioning. the only time we have fire trucks running for prolonged times is when they are on an emergency.

[@joker432]

Uhhhh the batteries on an ambulance will die if you leave it off without being plugged into a shoreline. There is so much equipment that the batteries would need to power if the engine was not idling. I am a firefighter/EMT and I love when people like you comment on our job when you have no idea why we do what we do, there is a reason for everything. You seriously think we want to intentionally destroy our equipment by mindless idling? Wow....

[@RyanFGNM]

+xxbryan715xx I work for a hospital in Redlands Ca and believe me the Ambulances idle for many hours here. They have cut time by half now. But back when I first started you would have guys and girls Idleing there rigs for 4 to 6 hours.

[@KortNatali]

why dont they order ambulances with gas motors? it's not like they are towing a 12,000 pound tailer up the rocky's. so what if it uses more gas, fuel costs will be greatly offset buy the cheaper maintenance...

[@xxbryan715xx]

az2stroke many van ambulances are gas. Type 1 ambulances are generally diesel. They have a bigger compartment for the patient and carry more equipment. Our ambulances with equipment are almost 20,000 pounds. A diesel can be very helpful.

[@fmccloud]

Same problem with DPF.

[@supercockpuncher5000]

I wonder how the new 2015 6.7's are gonna turn out.

[@markbulva4188]

If a diesel idles it needs to be hi idled. Every diesel i ever drove or operated was hi idled and never had issues

[@joey1364]

Ford got that design from Navistar the big engines all use egr cooler cores that are replaicable

[@ladin425]

I wonder why ambulance companies choose ford time and time again when arguably, there are more reliable options.

[@desertfox2020]

Ford has the fleet market cornered

[@Roushfan5]

Sure you can argue that, you can argue anything, proving it however is the issue and I see nothing to suggest that Ford is any worse then Chevy or Dodge. With that kind of idle time and mileage? Have fun finding a motor that won't have some problem. All rigs have there problems and foibles. There is more to a rig then motor, and Ford is generally considered to make the best/strongest frames and the only way to replace a frame is to replace the whole rig. Thats why the E-Seires is so popular with motor home and coach builders even though Ford vans rarely have the strongest motors. The fact that the E-Series chassis sells so well also probably makes servicing and getting replacement parts easy. One of the reasons some police departments don't want to give up the Crown Victoria for example is that, bigger departments especially, have whole warehouses filled with replacement fenders, doors, bumpers etc.

[@Stonemasters11]

Arguably, that's your opinion. Time and time again you go and purchase things in life that have good results, makes you think about the results they've experienced with the other makes for them to continue using Ford's Chassis. JFYI, 2500hrs of idle time is equivalent to 63,000 miles, just imagine a Pkup with an EGR sitting idling for that many miles. Idling is actually worst on any vehicle gas or diesel than moderate driving as motor's are unable to clean themselves out. Add to that the 120,000 of hard driving miles it had as well. As was mentioned, the EGR system is a cheap and easy fix on the 6.7. In other words, this Ambulance was back on the road quick and good for another 150-200K Miles of Service before another EGR Failure? I say that's pretty good for any businesses bottom line, mine included...

[@Ratkill9000]

Ford discontinued production of the E-series last year to make way for the Transit series. The new Ford Ambulances are on F-series Super Duty frames. Seen them and they seem to be a lot nicer than the Econolines.

[@Roushfan5]

Ford WILL discontinue production of the E-series in a few months, but are keeping the cutaway package thats used for motor home and ambulance sales.

[@najemsoc]

hello powerstrokehelp I have a FORD F-450 6.4 2009 and the speed is lock in 120 km/h how can make it 160km/h

[@itsCopello]

+najem soc The high gear ratio in the F-450's will keep the engine RPM really high and you will have premature engine failure from it, especially on a 6.4L Diesel. 90% of the 6.4L engines I've replaced are on cab chassis trucks with high freeway mileage that saw extended periods of high RPM.

[@SLICKW1993]

With a tuner you can recalibrate it. I have a SCT tuner on my 450 and took the governor off. The tires on those trucks are rated for 80 MPH and below, don't recommend driving over 80 if you don't have to but sometimes you need that extra speed.

[@helipro2245]

Blake Watson

[@jtp9862]

Has anyone seen or heard of doing a heater core by pass on a 2007.5 and above 6.7 engine? I have a 2007.5 6.7 dodge 2500 mega mega cab yes 6 door custom built truck and the AC system sucks, i'm in the processing of installing new aluminum blend doors and aluminum drivers, changing out the heater core and evaporator cooler core and removing a filter on the dash vent to help with the cooling the inside of the cab. Due to the fact i have a 6 door truck if this does not work i will be looking into a stand alone system just for the very back or rear of the cab for the kids due to the heat in Las Vegas. If anyone has ever done the bypass for the heater core for the 6.7 please let me know and send pics or specs on what was used. Everything i've read it's supposed to cool the AC down to 8-10 degrees colder.

[@ChrisUrsiny]

egr is bad on any diesel, had an 05 6.0 replaced 7 egr valves in 4 yrs or regular driving with min. idle time.

[@MrEdogjohnson]

Damn, that sucks.

[@psd6ohslow]

Aren't the 6.7s all "certified clean idle"?!? I kno all the 450s and 550s have that fancy sticker. And this is the outcome? Nice!

[@raider762]

If I ever get a diesel truck its gonna be a 7.3L without all the emissions crap on it or an old Cummins 5.9L

[@roberthillsjr.3729]

I went thru all videos of engine problems with Ford or Toyota trucks. Toyota, no problems. Ford ? All kinds of problems with all engine, eco boost or just any V8. Yesh fordis great?

[@theboyparker4899]

Robert Hills Jr dude Toyotas for one dont get used in a hard work environment! They never pull heavy loads! Big companies With fleets of trucks that run the piss outta them and dont maint them dont have toyotas. Toyotas are bought by men that need a truck to sit in a concrete driveway and put some trash bags in the back every now and then.

[@billyadams9985]

that core design is eerily similar to maxxforce 13... not identical just simaler

[@downsouthfishing2311]

EGR delete, problem fixed

[@lostin8986]

Mine went at 63k, it lost some waste shortly after.

[@ocala1218]

Bill knows his shit buy his videos

[@KEV73PSD]

I think I will keep my 7.3 psd

[@badlandskid]

Yep... Same.

[@TheAkstewie]

GOTO THE DORMAN COOLER. LARGER ORFACISES

[@DylanPaw]

egr delete

[@jbree84]

mucho better

[@seanthompson5599]

Just Delete It..

[@jen.alonzo]

I know how its possible

[@jen.alonzo]

Egr Delete Babbbbbbby!!!!

[@1nkbreland]

Just unplug it lol