6 days solo hiking & wild camping - Austria, Steiermark

[@rainerwendt1974]

Wahnsinn, was für ein wunderschönes Video. Du bist eine ausgesprochen talentierte Filmemacherin! Die Gegenlichtaufnahmen sind hervorragend gelungen. Durch die Musikauswahl werden sehr schöne Stimmungen erzeugt. Höchsten Respekt für die Tour und das Video und Daumen hoch!

[@SumPixelz]

Thank you for making this beautiful video Imme. Austria is so incredibly special. We were absolutely baffled by the sights and serenity when were there this year.

[@prnzssLuna]

Your first video, and already so incredibly well made! Love it. And yea, Steiermark is so incredibly beautiful, I'm a bit envious :)

[@armingilsdorf9675]

1st! Great and thanks for sharing, feine Sache! 😉👍

[@Tanaka1943]

Sweet little angel. Thank you for making this beautiful video.

[@laszlosztojka487]

Toller Anfang, nur weiter so! Eine kleine Bemerkung: Geschirr und Klamotten würde ich nicht direkt im Bach bzw. See waschen, sondern etwas abseits der Gewässer. Bei ca.36:00 campst du anscheinend ziemlich nahe am Pfad und am Wasser. Da wildcampen (biwakieren) sehr streng geregelt ist, auch in der Seiermark, sollte man diese Regeln peniebelst einhalten, sonst wird es bald noch weniger geduldet, was uns allen Zeltfreaks nur schaden würde. Tolle Tour und schön gefilmt!

[@immeontour9980]

Danke dir! Ich habe die Info, dass Wildcampen in der Steiermark oberhalb der Baumgrenze erlaubt ist, dewegen bin ich dorthin. Dennoch ist der Tip super, macht Sinn und versuche ich in Zukunft so zu machen.

[@mariapeters7013]

Hey Liebe Imme, Herzlichen Glückwunsch zu deiner Premiere und dieser wunderbaren Wanderung. Echt mutig und beeindruckendende Aufnahmen von dir und Pachamama. Namaste☯️♥️

[@thomaspoisel6259]

Thanks a lot. There are many "regulations" /laws depending on free camping in Auztria. I have the great luck to live in Styria, since 20 years. It's one of Austrias most lovely places, mountains, rivers, plains, and a lot of nature - still. I would never ever go back to Vienna, every big city is a challenge nowadays for me. If you live in the city, try to get out as often as possible, nature will show many things, also about yourself . Tom.

[@martindolog2]

Hello. So is wild camping ok in Styria? I would love to do some hike in summer. I know the area of Lower Tauren a bit and it is a great place. Before I stayed in huts but I would rather use my tent.

[@siegrunliebe3222]

Liebe Imme! Du bist eine tolle mutige Frau!! Danke für dein Video 💛

[@ProsaLinda]

BRAVOOO!!!! IT IS LIKE WATCHING A DOCUMENTARY FILM. VERY NICE.

[@emhexplorer]

I love your hikes. Thanks for sharing 🙏🙏

[@matousnovotny3476]

To video je opravdu moc povedené! :)

[@SatriaChannel_08]

The solo hiking is always great... With a hill that offers a charming view...a enchanting lake...more and more complete...the camping is perfect..

[@immeontour9980]

beautifully described ☺️

[@Turneliusz]

Beautiful, thank you for sharing!

[@kommentaaron-8823]

I really enjoyed the fact, that you give your footage time and dont put cut after cut after cut. That way one can really enjoy the landscapes. I also like the fact that you film and show your gear :)

[@immeontour9980]

Thank you very much! :)

[@WandernGehn]

Beeindruckendes Video. Weiter so. Viele liebe Grüße aus der Steiermark 🙂😊

[@schonbuchgams]

Sehr schöne Aufnahmen tolle Bilder danke fürs zeigen 👍 Grüße Michael

[@NeueWegeErleben]

Klasse Video und tolle Tour! Danke fürs Mitnehmen.

[@klaus.bernhard]

Da du in meinem Heimatland gewandert bist, war es schön, einige Plätze erkannt zu haben. Grossartige Tour mit "beachtlichem" Rucksack 😉 bravo

[@lisaschroeter]

Richtig schöne Aufnahmen, Imme! 😍😍

[@fernabvonallem5749]

Danke für das Teilen deiner Erfahrung. Kann es kaum erwarten in die Europäischen Alpen zu kommen, da hilft mir dieses Video wirklich sehr! Alles Gute dir.

[@moyashisoba]

Dein erstes Video und gleich so ein schönes, da lasse ich gerne ein Abo da. Ich hoffe, ich komme nächstes Jahr endlich auch in die Alpen, das wäre dann mein erstes Mal wild camping. So ein bißchen Angst habe ich davor, aber Frauen wie du (und die sieht man leider so selten auf YT) machen mir Mut, es auch zu wagen und irgendwie freue ich mich auch darauf. Danke für die tolle Reise mit dir und ich freue mich schon sehr auf dein nächstes Video. :D PS: Die Nachtaufnahme der Berge während deiner ersten Nacht in den Bergen und auch Nacht Nr. 6 sind so schön! PS2: Und wie lustig, dass die wiederkäuende Kuh aussieht, als ob sie singen würde. Hab ich so auch noch nicht gesehen.

[@SlopeFlyer001]

Tolles Video. Sehr schön und entspanned. Große Leistung die Tour alleine gemacht zu haben 👍

[@MaximKondratev]

Awesome video! You are brave!

[@lucysternchen4141]

Liebe Imme, endlich hab ich dein Video auch angeschaut! Und gleich beschlossen deinen Kanal zu abonnieren. Deine Naturaufnahmen sind wunderschön! Das Video weckt das Fernweh in mir. Ich hätte auch Mal wieder Lust auf ein Abenteuer! Viele liebe Grüße von Verena

[@MattDoesMountains]

Looked class mate 👌👌

[@saurabhbabbar]

also pasta with tomato soup, i will try it tonight! thanks for the recipe :D

[@hevi3787]

Super schönes Video. Sehr angenehm dir beim wandern zuzusehen:)

[@protacticus630]

Wonderful, thank you for sharing, we expect more videos soon 😀

[@alpin_outdoor]

Respect for what u do !

[@iamomi9551]

Love these things,feeds my soul 🤟🏾

[@shandy9039]

Oh Imme, das sieht richtig schön aus...und schon habe ich auch Lust dort zu wandern

[@kato119]

This was a lovely film .

[@IndraTosappol]

The video is interesting, I enjoyed it. keep the spirit, greetings from Indonesia

[@HikingWithMartin]

stunning scenery and a great journey and adventure, subscribed, go through your kit list for us soon as well please.

[@immeontour9980]

Thanks! :) Have a look here, its almost the same equipments: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jofCoGaoiMyei8k

[@HikingDutchman]

Das war aber ein schönes Abenteuer. Absolut klasse!, Grüsse aus Holland

[@tomgreene2282]

Great video with no awful music and a nice pace.

[@TimeAllen]

great job, what an experience! :)

[@immeontour9980]

Thank you :))

[@ayubnasir8168]

amazing natural scenes . she did her best

[@HikingFex]

Gefällt mir sehr gut. Ich hab in der Region auch ein Video gemacht und gleich einige Orte wieder erkannt :) LG Christian

[@imme4454]

Lieber Christian, vielen lieben Dank für deinen Kommentar :) Ich habe vorher schon Videos von dir angeschaut und mich inspirieren lassen. Daher freut es mich riesig 😄 Danke 🙏

[@HikingFex]

@@imme4454 ja liebend gerne. Dein Video ist nun übrigens auf meiner Liste der besten "Hiking Videos" ;) LG Christian kzbin.info/aero/PLGoWuvyH709tXimoNqB-HkLJXXDB1fF5k

[@woojaelee4864]

That’s great going, well done!!

[@TravelingvillagerXK]

Just inspiring! Kudos to you! I am living in Germany now and soon with my girlfriend we are planning to explore a few hiking spots in Germany/Swiss/Austria. Thank you for sharing, you rock!

[@immeontour9980]

thank you so much!! Have a good time in nature with your girlfriend :)

[@tobarish]

Wow, that was awesome, I Hope one day I can do something like that!!!

[@GehRaus]

Ein wirklich klasse Video! Tolle Eindrücke und Impressionen! Uns hat es sehr viel Spaß gemacht zuzusehen! Gern lassen wir einen Daumen da! Wenn du magst schau doch mal bei uns vorbei! Hab einen wundervollen Tag und bleib Gesund! Grüße GEHen RAUS 🚶🚶‍♀️🌳🌲Carmen + Christian

[@JB_FLYA69669]

Great video you have inspired me to go here

[@zizo4125]

Very nice trip 👌

[@ZS-dr7bi]

Hi, new subscriber here! Found your video on random and now i am binging through everything else on your channel. You deserve a million followers 😊

[@immeontour9980]

thanks so much!

[@DieQuatschPrinzessinnen]

Hallo Imme, tolles Video mit wunderschönen Aufnahmen 😊 Hut ab, ich hätte nicht eine Nacht allein dort übernachtet! Ich finde die Aufnahmen mit der Drohne super, vorallem wenn man dich im Bild sieht. Vielleicht wäre es interessant zu erfahren welche Routen du gelaufen bist oder wie du dich vorbereitet hast. Weiter so ❤️

[@cumayasa6816]

Aynen .sizede merhaba

[@adaada7318]

I always was fascinated by the alps,in switzerland and in austria as well... Since I got a taste in wildcamping not long ago and I love mountains and their amazing landscapes I always wanted to hike and sleep there as well... unfortunately hungary doesn't have big mountains but austria is close thankfully.But I kept hearing they really don't like wildcampers and the police might give a really big fine for it. But your video really inspires me to go there and do the same.I hope one day I will have the courage and try it.Truly amazing!

[@Goforit862]

In Steiermark you can camp above the forest line

[@adaada7318]

@@Goforit862 legally?

[@nuoutdoor]

this seems very nice! great video!

[@helmuthuto3200]

Supersache die du da machst. Wildcampen ist in meinem Alter ist nicht mehr fürs Gestell gut. Mache das von Hüten aus aber nur mehr Tagesweise. Die Steiermarki st dafür Wunderbar. Weiter so. GHH

[@funkylosik]

Ah, nice video. Appreciate all the walk backs to the camera and setting up the tripod :D Subscribed. It would be cool to have a list of "above the tree line" wild camping spots in Austria.

[@immeontour9980]

Thanks! The problem is that Austria is very strict with wild camping (planned camping in a tent). Only Steiermark region is fine for above the tree line..

[@freek1112]

@@immeontour9980 thank you! I am almost there right now:). Can't find the vordere zugriegelalm on my google Maps:p. We'll see..

[@cipriannanea]

@@immeontour9980 come in Romania where you can camp anywhere

[@cipriannanea]

Next time take a windshield for your stove.

[@giorgio7306]

Very nice!!

[@iaincameron5513]

Loved your video. Many thanks. Iain. England.

[@Twin_Peaks_Outdoors]

Hi nice video, Hello from Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 beautiful scenery, we have been to Austria once and Switzerland 2 times and we loved both countries, we are Hikers/wild campers here in Wales 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 we would love to go to Austria one day backpacking and watching videos like yours will give us ideas, just subbed thanks for sharing Simon & Mark

[@silkeblume6145]

Imme! Wow, so beeindruckend durch dieses Video ein Stückchen mit dir mitwandern zu dürfen. Die Bilder sind atemberaubend und die Musik passt so gut dazu. Der Wahnsinn wieviel Herzblut und Liebe zum Detail in diesem Projekt stecken. Ich freu mich jetzt schon auf das nächste Video von dir. Nimmst du uns mal mit nach Norwegen...?

[@JimCrossan]

Thank you. Much appreciated.

[@jonas-yp9bz]

Super schönes Video und eine Tolle Idee. Fände super wenn du die ganze Tour auf Komoot hinterlegen könntest, somit wäre es einfach nachzuvollziehen wo du genau übernachtet hast. :)

[@immeontour9980]

hatte ich auch vorher überlegt, nur weiß ich nicht, wie das ohne viel Akkuleistung gehen soll.. muss mich nochmal schlau machen

[@aryaadokhtamd3020]

So inspiring! Thank you for sharing. I was just wondering if you simply drink river water and do not use any filter? How do you recognise if the water is drinkable

[@Olan...]

Lovely video and great filming.....new subscriber 👍 I liked the look of the solar system....have you got any videos where you review pieces of equipment ???

[@immeontour9980]

Dear Olan, thank you :) Please have a look here, where I present my equipment: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jofCoGaoiMyei8k

[@jrgenvig5693]

Well done🙏👍

[@jamesgoforth5644]

I had a frog do that to me not to long ago, I am now convinced frogs just like to say hi to people like that.

[@naturesensegardening5002]

This is all my 'neck of the woods', love this area. We live just a few km from these peaks. Great video, thanks for sharing. As I edit all my videos, I know how much time and effort goes into producing a video like this. Well done. New subscriber here, keep them coming.

[@juliosalas7843]

Hello! I'm planning to move to Austria Next year and I LOVE camping and hiking. Is It legal to camp in the wild in Austria? How does It work?

[@MsgSniffer]

Awesome video!! Could you tell me more about the hiking trails please... Perhaps gpx file or something? Thank you!

[@immeontour9980]

Thank you :) In the end I am showing the hiking trail I have walked. Unfortunately I do not have anything else. Will try better for the next time

[@brendandavid297]

I think i need more than 6 days for all that cause the view of the mountain was just super amazing ! Much love from Borneo

[@helkefirneburg4484]

Tolle Tour, tolle Leistung, sehr schön gefilmt - und keine "witzigen" Ansagen! Gott sei Dank!

[@ButtudamachanelBtdsUb1]

Nice , salam Indonesia,,❤️❤️❤️

[@Ross.Bagatski]

Very impressive for the first video. I thought that wild camping is prohibited in the Alps. So in order to camp there, it's necessary to have good hiding skills. ;) Lucky you.

[@immeontour9980]

Thanks a lot!! Hiding is always good ;) But actually it is allowed to camp above the tree line, at least in Steiermark. It is different for every Kanton.

[@Ross.Bagatski]

​@@immeontour9980 Good to know. Can't wait to travel after they open the borders.

[@19cerni91]

Beautyfull

[@freek1112]

Very nice! Maybe I wil go too! Did you use a map or gps? Is the trail clearly marked so I wont get lost:)?

[@immeontour9980]

Dear Floris, I used a map and the app bergfex in a while. Yes, the trail is clreary marked :)

[@ClaudiaRodriguez-yq1qx]

Could you share the specific route pls? Great job btw

[@immeontour9980]

Thank you :) In the end at 41:27 I am showing the hiking trail I have walked. Unfortunately I do not have anything else..

[@w4ld0emers0n]

Great video! I love Steiermark. What is the name of the musical instrument that starts at 16:00? It doesn't sound like a guitar. Maybe it's a harp? Or perhaps it is a guitar, just with a capo? Also the song does not seem to be one of those listed in the description?

[@immeontour9980]

Thank you :) Its "Rosebank" from Robby Neil & Oles Krolikowski... so beautiful...

[@saurabhbabbar]

very nice trek there! i feel inspired already!

[@edwardpage9996]

hiya, going Austria in July, super excited it looks beautiful, what are the rules regarding camping? seen some say its not allowed. But it looks like beautiful and I an more excited after seeing this

[@A_New_Error]

It depends on the Bundesland you're in. In Styria for example wild camping above the treeline is allowed as long as it's not a national park or something. In some Bundesländer it's just flat out forbidden. But to be honest if you don't go to an extremly popular hiking trail, are quite, keep the spot clean, keep distance to huts and leave in the morning you probably can camp on the mountains all over Austria without getting into (serious) trouble. Hope that helps

[@edwardpage9996]

@@A_New_Error Hi, that's extremely helpful thank you. Sorry if it sounds stupid but would above the tree like mean you need to climb a decent way up the mountain then

[@A_New_Error]

@@edwardpage9996 In the mountains trees only grow up to a certain alitude above this 'Line' there are only shrubs and gras, and the vegetation steadily drecreases further and further until there is just the bare rock. That line is the treeline. It's typicaly somewhere between 1600m and 2000m depending where you are in Austria. So yeah that is normaly a decent hike just to get to that point.

[@lorenzgasztner4662]

Love the video. Thinking about doing a part of your route. What's the tent I'm pretty sure you didn't use the Z-packs as stated in the description.

[@immeontour9980]

thats true. I bought it after the trip. During the Steiermark trip I used a tent from pinguin, it is called Echo 2. I like it a lot, but its heavier than the one from Z-packs.

[@patrickdaly7876]

hi, super schöner tour, ich kenn die gegend, habe damals aber in hütten übernachtet, wie ging das mit dem wildcampen, das ist ja gesetzlich sone sache.. haben dich leute blöd angesprochen bzw wurdest du von Hüttenwirten "entdeckt"?

[@immeontour9980]

Vielen Dank :) Ich habe ein weiteres Pärchen getroffen, die ebenfalls wildcampten. Soweit ich das richtig verstehe, ist Wildampen in der Steiermark oberhalb der Baumlinie erlaubt, sonst überall verboten... Ein Bauer auf einer Alm schien etwas feindselig, sonst alles gut ;)

[@diegovirb87]

11:37 Someone would be washing dishes in the upper part of the stream. (7:58, 8:54)😛 The most important: do not wash anything in the water and use a water filter!

[@bobbycorby]

❤

[@yangcui2074]

No offense, but was it legal for wild camping in Austria?

[@immeontour9980]

I thought so for the Steiermark, above the treeline

[@Markusmetschit]

Great video! Unfortunately, illegal to wild camp in Austria ... (but I am doing the same :)

[@immeontour9980]

not in the Steiermark above the treeline as fas as I know ;)

[@patrickhynes4566]

Hi Imme, did you have any trouble with wild camping Austrian alps? i want to cross Austria on the E4 while camping, but im led to believe technically wild camping isnt legal

[@carlotastewart1222]

Wonderful video! Is this the Luchstrail? I'm planning to go over there this summer.

[@immeontour9980]

not really as far as I know. You find the route I hiked in the video description :)

[@emilijapilibaityte166]

Hey. Can you recomend a hike route in Austria? Is wild camping legal in Austria?

[@ondrej_kraus]

Nice video! How is it with wild camping in Austria ? Any problems with it ?

[@immeontour9980]

No, in Steiermark all fine. Just around the Schwarzensee bit difficult, cause camping only allowed above the tree line and not on alms. So I had to continue hikind till 10pm. Rest of Austria is stricter

[@bolleolympus]

👍👍❤❤❤❤👌👌

[@Ghjhfbnn]

Hi, really nice video! Can I use a tent in Austria? I mean it’s legal?

[@idostuff2527]

Wow absolutely beautiful, i want to do this more! How did you find places where wild camping is allowed and how did you plan a route (if you did)?

[@idostuff2527]

Maaaan, mountains make me home sick for a home that i don't have😅

[@immeontour9980]

I got inspired by this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qXTHkoSaepiCerc by @hikingfex, then I searched in the internet for legal wild camping and bought a map the day I arrived there in a tourist office :)

[@tomislavspanic644]

Hello, good video. My wish is to do exactly what you do, I have hiked several times all day in the district(Rotwand) on the hills in Germany, but never sleep over, is there a group of people or a club that can join and stay for several days in a row in the Alps,? For the first time I don't want to go alone.I love the Alps

[@immeontour9980]

I do not have experience with this, always hiking alone. In earlier days with youth groups :) You could ask the Alpenverein

[@tomislavspanic644]

@@immeontour9980 Thank you and if you ever need a hiking colleague, you can call.

[@p0t4t0nastick]

what an amazing watch this was, thanks. can I ask did anyone give you trouble for wildcamping there? planning to do the same :)

[@immeontour9980]

not in the Steiermark region above the tree line as far as I know.. once it was hard to find a spot because of alms where I am not suppose to camp. People observed me, was a bit creepy. So I hiked during the night... otherwise no problems at all, wonderful camp spots :)

[@sriisland9856]

👏👏👏👏 🇱🇰

[@Belgian_Boi]

Hey Imme in mid june it's my turn to walk in the mountains of styria. When did yiu do this tour and what is the temperatures in the mountains around mid june? i can't find proper information.

[@GardenGuy1942]

LOOKS LIKE FIRST WEEK OF OCTOBER (OR LATE SEPTEMBER). TEMPERATURE IN JUNE SHOULD BE A LOW OF 8, AND A HIGH OF 19. FORECAST CAN VARY. AROUND 1400-1900, THE WEATHER IS BEST. SUN WILL KEEP YOU WARM EARLIER IN DAY.

[@rushi7312]

Beautiful video and what an adventure overall! I hope I'll be able to have a good hike in the mountains as well this summer. The video is great, especially as a first one. I also loved your musical choices. I need to watch more of your more recent footage to be qualified to comment on that... but at times the transitions were quite.. let's say unexpected. I'd expect you to stick to one type of transition throughout, but you "experimented" with different ones for the video side of things. Mostly cuts, but also a couple types of fade-in transitions. They left me sometimes expecting for a fade but surprised with a cut. Any one is good, just not both, unless explicitly linked to the context/story told by the video. On the other hand, the audio was always straight up cuts whereas I felt fading would have been more appropriate (to keep the suiting vibes of the music). Something else to add coherence and make the video cuts more seamless is to "announce" the next scene by having some audio of the latter scene overlapping fading in during the end of the first (for one second or so). Last thing. It felt kinda funny to have you hike at inhuman speeds. Usually people show multiple cuts of them walking at normal-ish speed instead. Choices are yours tho, this is your channel after all^^ I have to say tho, I am in no way professional, nor do I wish to depreciate your content. I am commenting because I enjoyed it and I want to help you improve the quality of your videos if you so desire.

[@immeontour9980]

Thank you so much, appreciating it lots! Are latter videos bit better in terms of cutting? Please keep commenting, it helps a lot 😊

[@fitorluzha4094]

How long was your hike? And was food enough for 6 days any recommendations? Ps im planing a 120km hike in this summer, crossing Sharr Mountains. So any advice? 😊

[@immeontour9980]

sry, bit late.. I think I hiked for 6 nights? I always take food for more than 10 days... just in case. The food I am taking I show in the video. Have a nice trip :)

[@kunstkulturpartyblog]

Hey! Hast du vielleicht eine Wanderkarte mit den eingezeichneten Routen? Wir würden die Tour auch gerne machen, ich finde nur leider kaum was brauchbares! Hast du Tipps? Liebe Grüße:)

[@immeontour9980]

Hallo Sophie, schau mal in die Infobeschreibung, dort sind zumindest einige Meilensteine drin. Des Weiteren ist die Route, die ich gegangen bin, bei 41:31 aufgezeichnet, nicht perfekt, aber zumindest etwas :)

[@mikamoorman6474]

Hey, did you use a pre made route or did you make it yourself?

[@immeontour9980]

I make it up while hiking :)

[@liveoks5129]

How? How do you fit all the necessary equipment in 16kg? My trekking backpack’s(110L volume one) weight always lays somewhere between 20 and 25kg for 5-7 days trek. Even thou I’m experienced hiker and I don’t pack bulshit in it.

[@immeontour9980]

dear liveOKS, it took me several years getting to that weight... When I started hiking alone around 14 years ago, I had nearly 30kg and it was way too much 😅. Over the years I optimized my hiking equipment, which you can see here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jofCoGaoiMyei8k

[@DjiMavicMini58]

I’m moving permanently soon to Austria from wales very interested to know how you can legally fly a drone there I was under the impression its il-legal Any Ideas ?

[@immeontour9980]

Hey Dave, I am not living myself in Austria, I live in Germany, but maybe have a look here: uavcoach.com/drone-laws-in-austria/

[@DjiMavicMini58]

@@immeontour9980 Hey thanks great advice many thanks I can now fly my Drone in Austria Great

[@rsaric3950]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@broadoak2006]

Loved the video, Massive respect!!!! what camera and editing software did you use? Best regards Martin from England

[@immeontour9980]

Dear Martin, thanks a lot! :) I used the drone mavic mini 1 and the Lumix Enthält auch Ergebnisse für lumix DMC-LX15, you can find links here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jofCoGaoiMyei8k

[@broadoak2006]

@@immeontour9980 Hi Imme I use a Panasonic Lumix DMC TZ100 and love it best wishes Martin, looking forward to your next video 😁😁

[@CreatedbyLC]

Is wild camping only allowed in steiermark? Erlauben sie das Auch in Tirol?

[@immeontour9980]

soweit ich weiß nur in der Steiermark oberhalb der Baumgrenze, leider überall unterschiedlich