Ah, I thought 'horrible' liars as in 'not very good'. Oh well, recommendations are solid anyhow.
@JamieDancer5 жыл бұрын
Me too
@BattyButtercup5 жыл бұрын
ah! but you can abuse your very obvious lies across MULTIPLE GAMES so no one's ever sure if you're legitimately telling a lie incompetently or lying about lying in a deception-ception! (or use the games to practise getting better at lying/talking around the truth)
@ChibiQilin5 жыл бұрын
I agree with some of the recommendations, but Ultimate Werewolf is just terrible when you can play regular werewolf for free without any cards needed. It's a lot more natural too... 36 roles makes the game convoluted as people have to learn their roles. The whole fun of werewolf in the first place is in the combination of a simple premise and complex players.
@commandercaptain46644 жыл бұрын
I'm a horrible liar (or am I???) and I still need a hidden role game that allows for my incompetent rubbishness (or is it????).
@ancientswordrage3 жыл бұрын
I was waiting for the explanation why these didn't need you to be good at lying...
@weronikamatczuk86425 жыл бұрын
Alternate title: 6 games to really test your friendships
@patunicorn44875 жыл бұрын
You might wanna check out a card game named "Aye, dark overlord" where you play as a bunch of minions and one overlord. As you once again come back from a failed mission (because the heroes won once again), you have to explain to your grumpy overlord who's minions fault it is and who should be punished while you try to shift around the blame. When only one of the minions is left alive you win. I only know the game in german (ger. version "Ja Herr und Meister") but it is a ton of fun with a group of friends on travels!
@973daydreamer5 жыл бұрын
My proudest Werewolf moment was when I was a minion (knows who the werewolves and other minions are, is trying to help werewolves win, werewolves don't know who minions are). I was the only minion and there was only one werewolf who IMMEDIATELY put there foot in it and everyone knew they were the werewolf. Until I started talking! I managed to lie so well that by the end of it not even the werewolf thought they were the werewolf. So proud 😂
@gigaflynn_5 жыл бұрын
Hi guys, love the channel, great videos, many thanks. Small request, could you pop up a little text bar on the bottom of the screen with the name of the game when you introduce it? Similar to what Outside Xtra/Xbox do in their list videos, as it's much easier than trying to figure out the name and spelling from spoken words. Thanks :-D
@PrincessWhoosh5 жыл бұрын
A pretty simple more partyish one, but I quite enjoyed The Chameleon. Everyone has to do word association for a specific word on a card that everyone's clued in to, except the Chameleon, who has no idea what the given word is and has to sort of bluff it based on what everyone else says.
@gingergamer32704 жыл бұрын
Sounds a lot like "spy" I have played that and it is great fun
@Richard-zu3gz5 жыл бұрын
I used to be a part of Exeter Uni Hide & Seek and we would take mafia to another level with up to 20 villagers but we'd come up with some serious convoluted backstories. One time I went spelunking under my home with my neighbour and he got cursed by the ruins we found and turned into a squirrel. There was a villager who had only just arrived in town to meet his long lost sibling only to discover them dead the morning after. Sometimes there would be resurrections with them being effectively muted, but we never had a GM it'd always be a god of some kind. One time the dead were sent to hell (under the table) and they could return if they stole the livings soles (shoes), returning to the world of the living and regaining their position in the village. Cupid sometimes had love triangles and all sorts of shenanigans ensued. The key to living was a backstory as sometimes you'd live purely so you could continue the story the next day.
@CyberianWaste5 жыл бұрын
So glad you mentioned Blood on the Clocktower, can't wait for the Kickstarter to be fulfilled.
@CaitlinRC5 жыл бұрын
I'm always a sucker for Spyfall as a deceit game :D
@scruffymatt425 жыл бұрын
The Battlestar Galactica game is another great example of this type of game. It's incredibly fun sneakily sabotaging the ship's attempts to retain resources while accusing the person next to you of being the Cylon who's messing things up for everyone. :D
@shawnheatherly5 жыл бұрын
Mafia de Cuba sounds amazing, and that Deception: Murder in Hong Kong sounds like a crazier version of Clue that I've wanted since I was a child.
@kateb46115 жыл бұрын
I would love more themed recommendations lists. Like, best 2 player games, co-op games, small games to toss in your bag, long games to destroy an afternoon, surprisingly contentious games that just might destroy friendships, card games, word games, etc. sorry, once I start listing things, I just can't seem to stop...
@Antithet5 жыл бұрын
Battlestar Galactica is one of my favourite hidden role games but these ones seem a lot easier to get other people involved in.
@MrCyn1c4l5 жыл бұрын
I love BSG, but good luck getting a copy at a reasonable price now that it's OOP!
@fjomsepusen98095 жыл бұрын
Scott Joplin is always fitting board game music
@dalerobertson58415 жыл бұрын
Haha I love their honesty about forgetting something at home!
@brycejarrett92115 жыл бұрын
Resistance and Donner Dinner Party are my favorite of this type.
@bearhustler5 жыл бұрын
Never even heard of Donner Dinner Party but the title alone has sold it to me !
@animefanrk2k5 жыл бұрын
Shadows Over Camelot was a fun one. The first time I played, I was the traitor (and Lancelot, ironically enough) and I won by just generally helping my fellow friends until we got towards the end of the game in which they gave me power to do as I see fit on a turn, and I just didn't do it and I won.
@keegantrott10165 жыл бұрын
I have a sneaking suspicion you haven't yet played "Secret Hitler". If you had, this likely would have been 7 games, not 6.
@bearhustler5 жыл бұрын
I've played Secret Hitler and got to say I don't get the fuss, it's good but I've enjoyed most other hidden roles more
@vallewabbel96905 жыл бұрын
Truth spilled, secret Hitler is my favourite hidden role game. It's all off the fun out of werewolf minus the waiting.
@DauntlessPanda19865 жыл бұрын
Agreed. Mechanically it’s ever so slightly different to those on the list and thematically it’s dead on point. Avalon/the resistance are also good mentions
@cujoenyo3 жыл бұрын
@@bearhustler agreed, secret hitler wasn't that fun. you vote on law then its reveal time. oh yay
@ferdiashaw8404 Жыл бұрын
Lifeboat is a beautifully constructed game and my favourite so far! Thanks so much for including it!!
@AmertumeB5 жыл бұрын
Secret Hitler and/or The Resistance are top games and should have been on that list!
@caelanwinans37382 жыл бұрын
I've only ever played secret Hitler with other history majors
@PupOrionSirius265 жыл бұрын
Secret Hitter is a great bluffing game!
@MarSara15 жыл бұрын
Saboteur is a great game for deception and messing people over
@awmperry5 жыл бұрын
Of this style, Secret Hitler is my favourite. It’s great fun. As for Werewolf, a friend of mine has been known to run Werewolf with over 200 villagers...
@saxonjedi58785 жыл бұрын
Wow
@awmperry5 жыл бұрын
She split it up into about a dozen villages, with assistant GMs running each of them. As villages ran out of people, survivors would move to other villages.
@blondgalahad5 жыл бұрын
a better game for large groups is two rooms and a boom.
@awmperry5 жыл бұрын
It was less about finding the optimal game for the crowd and more about seeing just how far Werewolf could be pushed. ;)
@AlphaOrion985 жыл бұрын
Resistance is one of my favorites
@00blaat005 жыл бұрын
I like Citadels! In Citadels, there's this phase where each player picks a role in secret, and that role grants special abilities during their main turn. Fun bit is where you as a player need to assess what other roles landed with other players so you can assassinate the bloke that's about to win the game. Fun times!
@TheLeannansidhe5 жыл бұрын
ah Bang. Awesome game. Hilarious to watch my normally very nice mother completely destroy everyone and pretty much always manage to be on the winning team lol.
@dalerobertson58415 жыл бұрын
You guys have really helped me understand the wide world of board games which I've always want to be in
@magicalfluffybunny5 жыл бұрын
We like playing Citadels. Everyone is a different role every turn, and you try to build a city. Very fun.
@piercefabruada38513 жыл бұрын
Wow! Nice content! I also want to share this Lagim Card game that my family and I are enjoying. It's amazing that they actually came up with the idea of Philippine Folklore since it's kind of dying down a bit. It will surely educate future generations.
@InfelixSoror5 жыл бұрын
Hilariously, I only realised that there was an actual, physical *game* of werewolf when I saw it on sale, almost a decade after I started playing it. At uni, the GM assigned roles one by one during the first night phase, which allowed a cunning GM to really lean into any existing paranoia and create some truly hilarious combinations of werewolves and villagers, as lingering suspicions and accusations spilt over from round to round. Desperately trying to figure out if the GM would really make Tom a werewolf *again* or if he's suddenly become the doctor or the seer instead added another level to the entire snafu.
@tobithehuman81685 жыл бұрын
Probably not the right topic for the comments of THIS video, but... please do more Videos about PnP! Thanks to Johnnys campaign I bought the DnD-Books (PHB, MM, GMG) and been fiddeling through them for like a week. I almost finished the first book and will be polishing my notes the next few days before diving into the GMG. I am having a absolute blast so far! With the books and with your channel that is. ;) I will be working on my own campaign in the future and would LOVE to get some tipps and tricks from my favourite GM about how to get started, avoiding beginner mistakes, etc.. :) Keep up the great work, guys!
@silver_tonguesplitch92075 жыл бұрын
This game is an amazing social experiment, second only to getting drunk and telling someone what you really think of them, I love this game!
@alwaysp3ng8485 жыл бұрын
We always love a game if Sheriff of Nottingham to really test friendships and honesty
@infernoblayze5 жыл бұрын
Ooh, I love a good hidden roles game, though I too thought this was a list for people bad at lying!. Also, I'm no expert but it feels like these vids could do with a bit more b-roll during the longer spoken sections? Just something to keep the eyes happy while you explain the game. The bits like Wheels turning over cards in Good Cop Bad Cop were great. Lifeboat has lovely art. I'll definitely be checking that out.
@wayner3963 жыл бұрын
Two Rooms and a Boom, Coup, Masquerade, Avalon, and the Resistance are also fun hidden role games. I enjoy Lifeboat though I will say it has one of the worst written instructions I've seen. Highly recommend it's 3 expansion packs as well.
@rpgenius39685 жыл бұрын
These games are my absolute favorite type of games to play! Happy to be adding more to my collection
@ulfhazelcreek81085 жыл бұрын
Brilliant explanation of Lifeboat!
@dizzyizzylizzie5 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised Secret Hitler didn't make it on this list
@brentage50005 жыл бұрын
Not only was Ultimate Werewolf Live hilarious and the video that convinced me to subscribe to you maniacs, it's so bloody (wink) hilarious that I can't stop watching it over and over.
@jessejones47865 жыл бұрын
I'm loving the channel guys! Your "let's play" playlist is just 2 of every lets play and a deleted video lmao other than that keep it up friends!
@theMarksmanofGC3 жыл бұрын
I’ve had some fun with Bang! but I’ve also had literally my worst game of any board game ever. Once some friends got together and I died on literally my first turn before being able to do anything due to the dynamite. The game then proceeded to go on for about 2 hours.
@theMarksmanofGC3 жыл бұрын
Granted, this wasn’t the dice game
@TheGoblinZero4 жыл бұрын
I would like to add Sheriff of Nottingham as well
@brentage50005 жыл бұрын
12:41 when Wheels said "the game will start to add in different elements", my mind heard "add indifferent elements" and I thought "it adds elements that don't matter to the outcome? Intriguing...oh, wait, that's not what he said, is it?"
@bearhustler5 жыл бұрын
MAFIA DE CUBA ! It's brilliant. Love the idea of Blood on the Clocktower (it almost crosses the line in LRP) but too expensive for me.
@laurasaurus73995 жыл бұрын
What about coup?
@captain-chunk5 жыл бұрын
How is The Resistance not in this list!! Also for a fun variation on Werewolf, check out Growl!
@fullhalfadder3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah, I LOVE that I can't hear a word of this. Sound editing is perfection.
@OnlyLiarGameFan3 жыл бұрын
The game architect informed me of this game genre.
@nicholasgame35255 жыл бұрын
You guys are great, more discussion between you both about the games would be amazing
@sharrafitzgerald19065 жыл бұрын
I want to see a Let's Play of Deception Murder in Hong Kong. Would be fabulous with the OxVenturers. :D
@kingpin30005 жыл бұрын
Blood on the Clocktower is definitely worth playing. Find the uk page on Facebook and see if they will will run a game with you.
@CatsMeow_3 жыл бұрын
I always forget that Bang! is a hidden role game.
@jimmyc30305 жыл бұрын
You Should try the One Night Ultimate Werewolf game. Quite fast paced and verrrry fun!
@blondgalahad5 жыл бұрын
these are all very similar games all in all. I'm surprised you didn't put it some of the other ones like Spyfall (with the knowledge being reversed the traitor not having any and the citizens having more) or that is a merge of genres like Battlestar Galactica with the Cylons working agains the co-op gameplay but not wanting to get found out and imprisoned.
@HermansMummy5 жыл бұрын
Really like the channel, gave me a lot of great ideas for game night. I was wondering though if it would be possible to put a list of the games you talk about in the description or at a certain point in the video ? I often find myself going back to the video because I forgot the name of a game I was interested in.
@nightcatarts5 жыл бұрын
Thanks, I'd never even heard of Lifeboat. Seems like an itneresting one that's a bit shy of the pack when it comes to this genre.
@ferdiashaw8404 Жыл бұрын
It is my favourite social deception game so far! It never gets mentioned in any of these top tens so I’m always so excited when it gets mentioned! I know you wrote this 3 years ago but if you haven’t managed to get it yet do!
@nightcatarts Жыл бұрын
@@ferdiashaw8404 I don't get to play really any tabletop stuff myself, but I'm always on the lookout for games that my sister can play with her kids.
@kcollier7105 жыл бұрын
Paranoid games for a paranoid age- good times :)
@DauntlessPanda19865 жыл бұрын
With your love of Werewolf you should check out Growl. It kickstarted and is essentially werewolf with no moderator and uses a deck of cards to play
@RMJAV5 жыл бұрын
I really enjoy this channel. I wanna play werewolf now! Thanks Johnny :D
@M3lw4r3 Жыл бұрын
I just found out good cop bad cop and leaders of euphoria are almost literally the same game
@thiswillbeyourend5 жыл бұрын
A deception game that I always advocate is Burke’s Gambit
@nickdejager88734 жыл бұрын
I was expecting to see Coup on the list, especially the Reformation expansion.
@toddkauk60994 жыл бұрын
My #1 choice is Cockroach Poker, then MammuZ, and The Chameleon.
@heisedren78115 жыл бұрын
I know this is completely irrelevant, but I love the Manchester Orchestra shirt!
@dubbingsync5 жыл бұрын
I actually didn’t realise how early I was to this one... nice video.
@shadowedpokefan3314 жыл бұрын
I played one night ultimate werewolf and bang and love them both
@Sky-mn7wn5 жыл бұрын
Would you consider doing a list of the spookiest games to play for Halloween?
@PeterSahlins5 жыл бұрын
Battlestar Galactica is the greatest hidden role game.
@mrmagpiepromotions5 жыл бұрын
Nice shirt Johnny.
@cameronwatson55494 жыл бұрын
Wasn’t Bang published before Good Cop Bad Cop?
@JamieDancer5 жыл бұрын
I used to play mafia all the time at camp as a kid. But these days, actually at least since 2008, kids at the same camp play a very PC version where people fall asleep instead of dying. This is a camp in the American South.
@JamieDancer5 жыл бұрын
I think they call it "fireflies" now.
@carolinelabbott24515 жыл бұрын
My daughter plays a mafia/warewolf like game at a church club, and they definitely get murdered. I think it plays like thus. One is the doctor, one is the cop, one is the mafia hitman, and the rest are the villagers. Each night someone gets killed. Each night the doctor chooses to heal themself or a villager. Morning arrives and there is either a murdered victim or not as the doctor saved them. The person whom the cop at night accused is arrested and are out of the game. The game ends when the mafia hit man is arrested or the last free or living villager is arrested or murdered. A weird game but they enjoy it.
@pariahscion37405 жыл бұрын
I like Succession... It's really about screwing your friends over... Political type dealings and whatnot. Super fun.
@aulim5 жыл бұрын
This is great. Will definitely be ordering few of these to try 👌
@Nosferatu7555 жыл бұрын
Not related to the topic, but you guys should really try out/review Escape the Dark Castle. It's really good
@procrastinatingperfectioni2785 жыл бұрын
If there is eyes being shut or people being eliminated by luck is involved then it is a bad game
@NisansaDdS5 жыл бұрын
What about "Secret Hitler "? :-D
@jonathonfreeman92335 жыл бұрын
I actually like the BANG card game better than the dice, but all good recommendations
@PatrickLongblkwhtrbbt5 жыл бұрын
This was Luke's doing wasn't it
@carolinelabbott24515 жыл бұрын
Cheaters Monopoly is one me and my family enjoy a lot. I once cheated so much one time that now I am always accused so I don't cheat now just so that I can still win against them. The one game I can enjoy being devious in.
@FabienMariauxdeSerres4 жыл бұрын
No mention of Coup?
@lauramarschmallow29225 жыл бұрын
On good ol' german Klassenfahrt back in 8th grade we played "werewolf" with over 30 people. And I got murdered in the first or second Night. Oh golly...
@CyberianWaste5 жыл бұрын
Check out Blood on the Clocktower when it comes out. Dead players still have some involvement as ghosts, and there are even ways to bring in players late to the party
@Oximb5 жыл бұрын
Thats the problem with Werewolf but there is a shorter version called One Night where nobody dies because the game is only one.
@bjrn90193 жыл бұрын
johnny highkey looks like Drakos
@ManusNoble19885 жыл бұрын
Resistance / Avalon!
@mikedidvlogs86655 жыл бұрын
The only hidden role worth rooting out is that of a heretic, this is your ninth request to play Dark Heresy First Edition
@nathanmckeehan81904 жыл бұрын
Ultimate Werewolf is awesome!
@jimbob74635 жыл бұрын
Secret hitler is best hidden role game don’t @ me
@derekhunter50405 жыл бұрын
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@TheDarkthunder10005 жыл бұрын
Could you guys please make an indepth video of blades in the dark? Im really interested on it ever since you guys made your tabletop game list that arent d&d
@dicebreaker5 жыл бұрын
We've got one in the pipeline!
@Mr_TheHan5 жыл бұрын
19:06 Did someone say Andy Farrant?
@saulziranda3484 жыл бұрын
can you guys upload a gameplay video of lifeboat please??
@rowanhawklan97075 жыл бұрын
I see your going for 95%!
@Mobius085 жыл бұрын
So, when are you playing these with Oxbox/Xtra/Eurogamer?
@StarkMaximum10 ай бұрын
Oh. I thought this was going to be a list of hidden role games for terrible liars; as in, people who are bad at lying (so maybe it would be hidden role games that reward other skills). Only upon watching it and noticing they said nothing of the sort do I realize that the title is a silly pejorative; as in, hidden role games for liars who are terrible because they like to lie. That's a shame. I was hoping for the former because I hate lying, I'm terrible at lying, and as a result I really just don't enjoy any hidden role or social deception games, and I was thinking maybe this list had some offers for me. But I guess lying is an essential part of a hidden role/deduction game, so it would be silly for me to think that. But I did hope! Ah well, there's plenty of other board game genres for me to enjoy, I can live with just full passing on every hidden role/social deduction game.
@Elfnoble5 жыл бұрын
WB Sheriff of Nothingham?
@DenisRyan5 жыл бұрын
Hit play, see Deception, press Like. See Lifeboat, press Like again. Realize I've made a terrible mistake and calmly press Like one final time while whistling innocently. I'm not the traitor...
@dubbingsync5 жыл бұрын
*squints suspiciously* hmmm?
@abi_rose5 жыл бұрын
Ooh I’ve only ever played One Night Ultimate Werewolf, not the original. I like it because you only have one round, so it’s less pressure for bad liars as you only have to lie for a max of ten minutes. It also allows you to tell really outlandish lies and gambits, because you don’t have to keep up lies round after round.
@sheldon85895 жыл бұрын
No Shadow Hunters?
@sjappiyah40712 жыл бұрын
Basically, every Youth groups favourite games lool.
@johanneskrenner89085 жыл бұрын
Werewolf is a blast - but ONLY if you put a "Onenight" before the title. Also: you might want to try »Junta - las cartas« (junta the card game)
@Lemonz-4183 жыл бұрын
It would have been funny to have the first game not be werewolf since this video was about lying.
@jetsetradio015 жыл бұрын
I'm not a fan of Werewolf as people go out of the game. Avalon is much better for that type of game.