6 Little Known Reasons Why Darth Revan ALWAYS LOSES! Star Wars the Old Republic

[@DarkLOREDash]

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[@thewilhelmscream7912]

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[@thewilhelmscream7912]

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[@derneuedunkleavataryang1731]

Kotor 2 made revan greater than he is. Revan is a old Ghost of the past and his time is over.

[@tiamath3755]

I remember reading a interview with Drew about him writing Revan. He hated the book, they constricted him so it can be joined with the upcoming ToR and it fucked with the overall continuity of the KOTOR games. It outright ignores the whole of KOTOR 2 and butchers Revan and Malaks fall to the dark side.

[@LoreStar]

I read the same one. I tried to find it to help Dash with this video, but alas I could not :( -Z

[@johnnywarysex_aka_joosecannon]

I was a bit jarred by some parts of the 'Revan' novel and was let down by the ending when i first read it but came to really enjoy it over time. I had no idea Drew Karpyshyn didn't like it. I always considered both Revan and Dessel to be his creations (whether that's the case or not). 🤔 If the higher ups forced him to fit his story just to accommodate their version of the character, or (like Darth Bane's appearance in TCW) changed his character just to accommodate their story- that'd be a real shame. Having never played TOR, I can happily say KOTOR is still my head canon. As an aside: 🍻Cheers to both Mitch and Z Keep up the great work fellas!

[@LoreStar]

7:10 Revan: Big man in a suit of [Mandalorian] Armor. Take that away, what are you? Canderous: "Naaakeeeeeeeeeed"

[@TheDarkRaven]

Got to agree with you. The MMO ruined Revan. I dont think of it as canon since alot of what is canon now is scrubbed from the headspace of fans thanks to EA and Disney. He died to easily and to be honest I never really liked the 'its destiny' thing starwars always pushed. The force being alive and having favorites and agendas was a bit to much for me. It was too prominent in the new starwars whereas the old starwars mentioned it with the 'Chosen One' prophesy and left it vague. As a lover of storytelling it's always been off putting since alot of current writing is starting to push stories where everything was already predetermined. I think a person like Revan was written to defy destiny. Also I think at the end of KOTOR 1, when he defeats Malik, Malik's words to Revan about how it was destiny that made him lose and that destiny made Revan the victor was nicely written in the sense that it left things up in the air for the player/fans to determine. SWTOR was pretty linear in some regards although I'll admit to liking some aspects of the game. I think they should have just left Revan out of it. Alot of people already have their headcanon of Revan and for some he's a woman. They should have known it wasnt a smart move since fans were upset they turned KOTOR 2's character into a girl and gave her a canon name. Again, for some she was a guy. That's why I'm a bit reluctant for a KOTOR movie. Although, if Keanu Reeves plays Revan....I might watch it. 🤣

[@ingolf82]

10:30 the reason Revan doesn't react to Scourge at all is because by the time you are suppose to enter the Maelstrom prison in the story (yes, the flash points have a story order too), you haven't met Lord Scourge in the knight story, so he's not suppose to be there. that is why Revan doesn't react when you later solo it with your level 50 lord scourge

[@cammykins5813]

It was near inevitable that Revan was going to be added. I hope future things done with him will appeal to his legacy by fans and lore .

[@jasningeller5777]

I hated the story in the Revan book and how Revan's character was written in the Old Republic. It was such a betrayal to a strong crafted establishment which was KOTOR 1 and 2.

[@DarkLOREDash]

I actually agree. Outside reclaiming the mask/identity scene it was pretty meh

[@shiptj01]

Agreed.

[@condeuiosandilixtos7858]

Well this goes to show just how mediocre the story in SWTOR is compared to KOTOR I and II. Revan's in it just for flavour and to further draw in fans of the original games. He's nothing but a cringey edgelord in SWTOR.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Didnt mind the novel & saving him but Revan Reborn was off the reservation.

[@karenhindson1695]

Oh well, there are only a few games I have been able to play and this is not one of them. All the the same, you tell this so well!

[@DarkLOREDash]

Thank you very much!

[@VerdantJedi]

EA pulled a TLJ on Revan even before TLJ was released... What a surprise....

[@AzathothXy]

With Disney retconning everything, they might as well say the MMO Revan was just a clone, and the real Revan's fate still unknown.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Hmmm that'd work 🤣

[@wilberwhateley7569]

Like I give a rat’s ass about what Disney says - as far as I am concerned, Revan crushed Malak, took control of the Star Forge and carved out his own empire: reigning over it like Marka Ragnos ruled the old Sith - an empire that ended due to incompetence of Revan’s successors long after the dark lord passed on.

[@BouncingTribbles]

11:55 ah, yes. The old "I'll mourn for you, so killing you is okay", moral acrobatics at their finest

[@DarkLOREDash]

Is a weird spot to be in...especially when the foundry was also rakatan tech

[@BouncingTribbles]

@@DarkLOREDash definitely. I've always appreciated the nuance they put into that aspect of the force. Grey Jedi understand that the dark is intent, more then outcome. It's nearly impossible to touch the darkness without some of it rubbing off, it's what you do afterwards that defines you.

[@DarkLOREDash]

@@BouncingTribbles I too like the yin yang aspects. I feel like especially KOTOR 2 had them intermingle

[@BouncingTribbles]

@@DarkLOREDash Kotor 2 had the best follower system I've ever played with because of the yin-yang of the force. It was amazing that you could influence your followers towards the light or dark, and their appearance and character reflected their own journey.

[@Drathayus]

I legit can't listen to the song "Revanchist" by Trivium without thinking of Revan :P. He's definitely one of my favorite Star Wars characters, of course ignoring the way EA tarnished him; similar to how Disney tarnished Luke Skywalker's legacy.

[@duderino6171]

Sometimes I feel like the people affiliated with Star Wars won't be happy until all our favorite heroes, and tales, are torn to shreds. P.S. I have some catching up to do with your Diablo 2 journey!!

[@DarkLOREDash]

I understand what you mean & I better finish the series!

[@duderino6171]

@@DarkLOREDash lol last episode I watched you had just killed Duriel. You've probably got time. You've got great content, I've just been busy. 👍

[@charles52able1]

Sadly the solution to pass the torch was so simple after making the player a biased third party in kotfe. Revan should have been the alliance commander and we his greatest agents. As is Lana Beniko and the loot crate commanders run the alliance while we are essentially still just a spec ops team lead. As Revan is light and dark he should have trained the player on Odesson as we to are told by Valkorian to embody all of the force.

[@firstnamelastname9237]

I never even thought about how his return could have been as the leader, that would have been so cool.

[@seeker4it]

ROFLMAO THE FUCKING CARDBOAD CUTOUTS OF THE SITH AT 6:59! XD

[@delarkaBCN]

dash is ingrained in my kotor memories. so glad to see this.

[@tripleskipp9880]

including Revan in the mmo was lazy, instead of building new interesting villains the players cared about (like Malgus) they choose to bring him back and ruin the mystery/choices he made for some "player feeling powerful" moment. Actually this reminds me of Luke in the sequels, and I really dislike this kind of storytelling. You don't have to tear down good characters so the new one can feel strong.

[@DarkLOREDash]

I totally agree

[@imperialwyvern]

Oh Hell No 😠,unlike unlike Luke Skywalker Revan wasn't bastardized. Revan's end wasn't perfect but it was a far better spend off. Then what Luke got😭, and Revan wasn't a Mary Sue/ Gary Sue.

[@KurticeYZreacts]

Great video i nvr knew the rest of revans story.. kinda weird but i like it ultimately

[@lordplague3555]

I would love a KOTOR and the old republic port for the PS4/5. Love this game so much and really wanna play it again, lost interrest in the mmo after it went free to play. Revan is easily my favorite character along with Vader and Obi-wan

[@DarkLOREDash]

I hear ya... crazy the switch gets so much love

[@lordplague3555]

@@DarkLOREDash Yup crazy =)

[@alexsullivan323]

Revan and the exile were still some of my favorite force users

[@airiannawilliams3181]

After 2 years, there is a continuation where Revan returns once more, with Scourge and Kira at the player's side to help defeat the Emperor yet again, and hopefully for the last time. Valcorian, Visiate, and .I.can't.recall. yes, 3 names for "The Emperor" and 3 faces. And in this set, SWTOR Revan is redeemed for me.

[@wilberwhateley7569]

Long story short, Revan was meant to be a vehicle for the player character - this simply doesn’t work in an MMO and the devs didn’t know what to do with the character yet felt the need to include him for some reason. The result: a lazy plug for a boss fight…

[@Elcionmassive]

Revan lost because of the writers. That's it. Revan in lore was "like staring into the heart of the force" in SWTOR he shouldn't have been included until a much later tier and as an ally. Never an enemy, because as the player we should have never matched the power he wielded.

[@craigamills7276]

I love revan hes a complicated character. He's a powerful sith/jedi. I can't stand what swtor did to revan why can't we have a proper kotor 3 where the story revolves around revan and the exile returning from known space were carth has revelotionized the Republic and canderous has United the clans under his banner and is ready to join revan. Maybe throw in the remains of sith from kotor 1 and 2

[@zechariahdsiler]

Sorry I'm late! Love the videos as always. In depth and awesome!

[@DarkLOREDash]

Thanks mate! Always good to see ya😊

[@MegaAgamon]

Most people don't understand how the Force in star wars works. Even back in the Original Trilogy, you had Luke who had like a couple months worth of Jedi training defeat Vader who joined the order as kid and grew to be one of the strongest beings in the Galaxy. Then you had Vader defeat his master Sidious. Why is that even possible? How could such powerful masters fall to weaker opponents. The answer that the Force has a Will! (May the Force be with you) Force isn't like the other magic systems. It is alive and it chooses which person to help at a given fight. Most people see the Force in a way too "videogamy" or "powerlevel" approach. But that is simply incorrect. Because the Force is alive and it has a will of it's own. It can help and betray it's users. All it takes is for the force to abandon you and you just like the infinite empire, you fall to dust.

[@derickwilson2608]

Like Malik predicted our intended to do to Revan on the star forge

[@dar-nakkallig]

Shadow of Revan should have had a Fake Revan instead of Revan Reborn... So that he can then be redeemed... In a way... And if you're a Sith Inquisitor he willingly binds to you and if you're anyone else he’s just a ghost following you in the Story...

[@antonyli5675]

Recently revan played a big part in defeating the emperor

[@GHOSTRIDER373737]

Ironically, in doing so, Vaylin is resurrected.

[@FriedPlacentaBurger]

I would comment about the story, but I was distracted by the terrible backpeddling in that SWTOR clip. I should have just listened on my headphones because now I cannot pay attention.

[@hammer5624]

So reaven is good, then bad, then good, then bad again, then split up, then good? He is powerful, then no he is weak. He is a genius committed to the light,, no wait he is a mad fanatic. I think they could have treated Reven a lot better.

[@ultrashadow9551]

Honestly I'm rather disappointed with Revan's fate he was such a grate character but it made sense seeing as how in his book he lost to vitiate because he was stabed in the back at the last second he lost in the foundry because he was still recovering form being held prisoner for 300 years straight and he lost on yavin because his light half kept healing the player and everyone else even though he kept beating them over and over again it's just unfortunate.

[@johnnywarysex_aka_joosecannon]

Poor Avner

[@dustinshoemaker6071]

I feel that revan should have killed the emperor and been the true way of a jedi balance and not the all the mmo crap were they throw him under a bus

[@Pacbandit13]

Should watch why the failure of the grey jedi. The only balance is light or no death to the force. kzbin.info/www/bejne/bHawlJKJlNt0qc0

[@marcuswagner9604]

It would have been more interesting if the player character at least for the Jedi knight turned out to be the reincarnation of him and merged with the part of him that the emperor had.

[@floodedolive1417]

I feel insulted revan did not all ways lose he won in many battles the only reason he lost lots of battles is because SWTOR wanted him dead so he could not be talked about in the movies and so they did could not make a KOTOR 3

[@nothanks3590]

Obsidian also took Revan away from us. we dont see or play as Revan but he is talked about a great deal. do we as the player get to decide or choose or have any control over the Revan that Obsidian presents? no. we are just told these things. you may say its not that important or not the same thing because we dont see or talk to or fight Revan like we do in SWTOR... but the choices that Obsidian "egregiously" made about Reven forever changed the character whether we as the player liked the changes or not whether it matched our head canon from the first game or not whether it retconned the first games Reven or not... changes that Bioware and the creators of the character had to accept and abide by and continue with whether they liked them or not.

[@Noamalmoggg]

How can you say that? The entire game revolves around the choice you decide regarding kotor 1. You chose weather revan was a man or a woman,and weather he was light or dark. The game dialogue surrounds those choices. Also,yes,we dont get to play revan,or meet the real revan in kotor 2,but we do get to meet old revan from the civil war era,we get to learn of his tactics,his brilliance. just saying "revan was a genius" and leaving us to wonder what made him a genius is one thing,kotor 2 provides so much all around information about why revan is considered a master tactitian,a brilliant leader,a manipulator of outcome.

[@Chrysobubulle]

Because the writers weren’t the same ?

[@derickwilson2608]

Long live the TEUE Mandylor REVAN REBORN

[@Vikt0rian]

THe MMO is not canon, while it is good story telling in a vacuum for the most part, it is not good when you touch even remotely on the source and origin of where they got the things. It's very well in terms of driving characters, but major story plots and the overall setting gets fucked hard by the game. I still enjoyed it, even if the gameplay is mediocre, and the only thing that really makes it work is the characters.

[@SargentoDuke]

THE 6 REASONS ARE: D I S N E Y

[@paulmacdonald5135]

Revan wound up in both parts of the force at the same time

[@rikosaikawa9024]

I wanted kotor 3 not that shitty mmo

[@DarkLOREDash]

KOTOR 3 😍

[@Chrysobubulle]

Riko Saikawa same 😪

[@DarkSamus100]

Nice video. Cool to see some video about the star wars Expanded Universe/legends games. Shame about what they did to Revan in SWTOR. I think they should put the Revan storyline/mystery in KOTOR 3 instead of inserting Revan in SWTOR. Anyway, have a good day/night.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Totally agree. KOTOR 3 seemed a better fit

[@lordinquisitor6651]

My head canon is that Revan simply left the galaxy, creating an army, waiting to return when Star Wars fans need him the most. That day he will return and destroy the giant clusterfuck Disney has wrought on that galaxy far away and bring true balance back, not only to the force, but to Star Wars itself…

[@antonyli5675]

I hated the revan foundry fight but I was okay with his story and how he was beaten in shadow of revan as his true self was pretty insane, but their definitely needed to be better story telling. I would like to see revan is no luke skywalker in legends, so revan isn’t god like powerful, but he was a genius and should’ve had better story in swtor, but in its defense the emperor was a crazy powerful being so it was okay that revan was beaten by him in shadow of revan it took the greatest champions of the galaxy to defeat revan (just darkside revan) and I think that was pretty impressive, but the foundry fight hell no it should have taken malgus as well as the empire’s absolute best, but nope he got beaten by a bunch of plebs, but at least he played a part in defeating the emperor during ehoes of oblivion, which is appropriate.

[@MajorGloryMan]

no... sw tor just had bad writing, period. no deeper truths, sorry. the problem is the game is an mmo. and thus the story simply sucks. all of it...

[@DarkLOREDash]

I agree, unfortunately for the series

[@alexstrain4335]

This is great, but do you know what’s even better? Releasing more Diablo 2 content!

[@DarkLOREDash]

On it way

[@SockPupet]

Oh, the MMO crap... I'm out.

[@TheTiredPirate]

Sock Pupet1984 why the hate? Bro look at how much effort goes into these videos. Let him do what he wants and if you don’t like it, don’t bring him down on your way out. He’s doing an amazing job. Give him credit. Thankfully I love Star Wars and everything that comes with it, and swtor is one of the best mmos out there story and lore wise, and it could totally be a single player game as it is. The first time I maxed out a character I didn’t play with one other person. I’m a Kotor veteran and this game just blows my mind everytime I play it. If you don’t like it don’t be mad at op. Diablo only has so much content, he’s exploring and I guarantee him posting a video like this is a huge test on his fanbase and hopefully he’s able to pull in more crowds of people including Star Wars lore fans. Give him a break man.

[@SockPupet]

@@TheTiredPirate I was being flippant, Kotor yes, swotor I couldn't get into. But I understand how it could be taken the wrong way.

[@GameTimeWhy]

Is this game actually good aside from story and cutscenes?

[@DarkLOREDash]

Yes. Very immersive & fun strategy

[@nikola4107]

Rey would kick his ass ez game

[@splashnskillz37]

No she wouldn't, Revan would beat her badly in the ending of the battle

[@nikola4107]

@@splashnskillz37 Lore says otherwise

[@splashnskillz37]

@@nikola4107 Logic says likewise

[@nikola4107]

@@splashnskillz37 Hahaha my sweet friend Rey breaks all the logic regarding Starwars. Ez revan.

[@splashnskillz37]

@@nikola4107 Not anymore

[@robbyolinski1450]

I thought revan was a female.

[@DarkLOREDash]

Shemayhebe

[@marcobellanti1786]

Why bioware do this? Milk everything they can out of character in term of money. Let face it. Revan could have succed to kill the emperor, but by doing this simply create the ground for the war in SWTOR. They want to do this because in every MMORPG you must have a super threat and than a super super threat and than something bigger and bigger. Because is far more complex to create a satisfying story in which you kill underling. So you have beat Revan, because you have to be superior and than the emperor. And they want to put Revan because was a famous character. Simple as that

[@yungbatch44]

SWTOR RUINED REVAN THIS MISTAKE CAN NEVER BE FIXED!!!!

[@FannyPackMan100]

Revan does not "lose" at the beginning of Kotor. He was betrayed by Malak from afar and caught by surprise. That'd be like saying that Palpatine "lost" to Vader in Ep. 6. He didn't. But I'm sure you know this, of course. I....don't agree with this title's name and subsequent implications. It makes it seem like Revan is weak and is being trashed on. I already feel that he was disrespected immensely by everyone at Bioware for writing this dogshit story and the countless haters of Revan (that exist for some strange reason) that want him brought down because they don't like his fanboys. Don't misunderstand, this isn't an attack on you, but it doesn't condone the title, either. I get what you're saying, but dislike very much the way that you're saying it and what you're saying. Yeah, Revan is 100% screwed over by the developers and storytellers over at Bioware, who seem to forget what made him special to begin with. What made him, HIM. They make it seem that his wanting to use the Foundry was not only an overreliance on Rakatan tech, but somehow makes him a bad person. When in reality, he was a man unconstrained by conventional moral thinking and knew that sometimes victory meant sacrifice. That's exactly how he single-handedly won the Mandalorian Wars. He knew what he was doing. And yet, Bioware seems to think that this is somehow "bad". Smgdh. Also, Revan didn't have an over-reliance on Rakatan tech at all. He knew of the full capabilities of the Star Forge and what it could do (even discovering the Infinite Engine, for instance), but didn't want to rely on it too much, or else it would consume him as it did the Rakata. He saw such tech as tools. Useful tools. Nothing more. Revan, both as a Jedi and Sith, achieved countless victories. Real, tangible victories. He only lost because the writers wanted him to lose so they could toy with him for money. They even went out of their way to portray him as some lunatic who gets shoved around by nobodies possibly because they were jealous that Obsidian did a monumental and fantastic job fleshing out Revan's story and the kind of person that he was. That is the only explanation of this nonsense that I will accept.

[@BiasN]

Revan was weak and lost often