6 Reasons You SHOULDN'T Buy a GR86

[@faygox955]

It has 2 doors, it is manual, it is simple, with modern amenities, it is a boxer engine, in other parts of the world it comes with the spare wheel as well as the exterior ones, it is relatively small, it has no electrification, it is anti-GoldDigger. Basically it is the perfect vehicle.

[@K03sport]

...like an RX-8 (similar anti-gold digger properties).

[@bc9554]

what does anti-golddigger mean

[@faygox955]

@@bc9554 It means that the only kind of woman who will think it's a good idea to have that vehicle is someone who knows about vehicles. For someone interested .... it's a Toyota.... With that value you could buy a used Mercedes, Audi, BMW, or Cadillac, which does appeal to interested girls, or flashy used vehicles like a Camaro or Mustang but with 4 cylinders. As a conclusion, with this vehicle you will avoid without a doubt an interested woman.

[@rea280]

@@faygox955 Women do not care that much about the car you drive. Calling Ecoboost Camaros and Mustangs "flashy" is ridiculous. Everyone knows those cars are dirt cheap. A specked out RAV 4 costs more.

[@janieraltreche1989]

@@faygox955yea girl don’t pay attention to cars enough to look at a frs and think it’s a Toyota.most people just think it looks nice .if anything it leaves a good impression on people because it looks fancy incomparison to a Corolla

[@elisabethsanchez6420]

It’s not always about the speed 😏 only a few people understand this.

[@byronbranch4645]

That's why I loved my 04 sti so much.

[@mrjjthor]

My 85 mr2 with around 112hp was more fun to drive on the back roads than my 19 Zl1 1le. It's not always about horsepower.

[@PikaQPika]

Yes. The ones that can't afford a more expensive car 😂

[@bomiller7908]

Speed is a money competition. Handling is a skill competition

[@sage11x]

Yeah but the reliability is so bad. My 13 FRS died at 70K. 70K. That’s rotary engine reliability. If Toyota puts an inline TOYOTA BUILT 4 I’d consider this. But as long as subaru is making the motors…. No way.

[@challacustica9049]

This video sells this car better than most videos recommending it.

[@DHunter_47]

The Kingdom of God is at Hand John 3:16 King James Version 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

[@LanceyKersti]

LOL yea i got confused

[@aleshamahon]

@@DHunter_47 you're mentally ill

[@grahamlrc2305]

Watched this to talk myself out of getting a gr86, and I have now talked myself INTO getting one 🤣

[@patrickd1805]

good for you

[@craigsosnick1574]

I purchased a 2023 GR86 premium model. Couldn’t disagree more with this assessment video. I’ve driven BMW’s and Lexus. I wanted a compliment sports car to offset my Mercedes GLE 450. I could drive this GR86 everyday. Plenty of power for for streets. Handling is amazing. Interior panel and functions are simple, easy to use and perform perfectly. This car is a blast to drive. Find me a better bang for your buck. You won’t. You want a fun, cool sports car that doesn’t cost a fortune then this is it.

[@jubbalandcars]

After driving some pretty dope cars through this KZbin channel (see my JCDI linked in description) I appreciate this car MORE not less. It’s just that good

[@fatesenvy]

I'm saving up ill join the club soon

[@Mabifield]

Dude they really aren't selling anymore GR86 here in Spain, I'm so sad, Europe is really full of boring people when driving, they don't like fun sports cars, like, man. I won't buy a GR86 for +86K€ just for people reselling the vehicle :c

[@24tommyst]

True but the cachet is not there and many do at least subconsciously care about that. Only car people know how good this car is...

[@extremevision7069]

​@@fatesenvy me too in a few years, i hope

[@ak740_]

I consistently get under 6 seconds for 0-60. That’s pretty good for a 30K car and doesn’t feel slow to me especially since I have another car that can do 0-60 in the low 4s

[@daviddedos]

what altitude do you live in? I’m about 4700’ above sea level and I get 6.2 on hot pavement.

[@ak740_]

@@daviddedos about 2300’ above sea level

[@Nishan113]

Here’s the thing though. In Europe it isn’t 30.000$, in Europe it’s 40.000€, which is more like 43.000$. At this price point, you can get better cars than this. If it was a 30.000€ car I would love to buy one, but it isn’t

[@invertedv12powerhouse77]

@@Nishan113 for sure. For example in canada, the msrp for the prem MT model at 36k CAD is basically about 30k USD. My 2018 base was 21k USD in 2018 when i got it

[@ak740_]

@@Nishan113 those cars at 40,000 are not in the same category as a gr86. You can’t get a new 2800 pound sports car for under 40k besides a Miata. The next step above a gr86 is a Porsche Cayman which is double the price.

[@aroundomaha]

A full year into BRZ ownership and a lot of autocross runs have given me zero reason to sell. I’ve had some moments where I wondered but hands down this is the best all around enthusiast car I’ve owned. It has shown me so much about myself as a driver. I could see also trying an old MR2 or Cayman to get mid engine experience, or a Miata if I lived somewhere a convertible made sense.

[@jubbalandcars]

Love this! Through this channel I've been fortunate to drive many amazing cars (see the JCDI in the description) and it's actually made me appreciate the GR86/BRZ twins even MORE because what they deliver at the price point is insane.

[@aemluck]

@@jubbalandcars Hi Kevin, I watched the video thoroughly and I have to apologize,I totally misunderstood, my bad, I feel stupid. Keep up the good work. Sorry, Lukas😔

[@thejardz4787]

If you’ve autocrossed you’ve voided your warranty… and flat motor means you’ve been starving that motor of oil every turn you take… probsbly about to blow

[@aroundomaha]

@@thejardz4787 and you know this how?

[@composerchris8472]

@@thejardz4787 they starve for oil out of the factory, 2k miles and the oil pickup tube full of rtv and bearing material in the oil pan, almost all of them are this way.

[@lookbudy]

Bought my first car, a 2016 FRS and I have zero regrets. I've been daily driving it for half a year and I still love it to death.

[@kylebradley8963]

Very different from the new models

[@jubbalandcars]

Love to hear it! I loved my 2013 FRS when I had it!

[@JoseGonzalez-sp3lp]

Same here 🙏

[@kevinm3273]

How’s the reliability been? N how many miles?

[@samurai-pn6uq]

Whats about oil pressure? Issue is it solved in it

[@Brian-or2jy]

Fuel economy. For a small, light, sleek, low displacement car I'd expect at least 30 mpg on the highway.

[@BitcoinTo100K]

Yup that's my problem Supra gets better

[@jubbalandcars]

Great point

[@slakker321]

@@SunSunSunn straight driving with no traffic in the midwest prob attributed to that

[@kyclone1]

the car takes premium gas on top of that!

[@Cycl0nefreddy]

I talked to guy a who owns a Supra and said he got avg 17 mpg😐. Supra not better

[@DJ_SayWhaaaat]

All you're saying is making me even more sure this is the car for me. 👍I just hope that I can actually find one in about a year, when it would make financial sense in my case...

[@energetic479]

dude i have a brz with the catback, header, coilever, small wing, wheels, race clutch and much more... and i can say the car is 100% worth it i love it so much

[@toleo5818]

Same

[@RogerUMartinez93]

I’m not buying this car because of speed.. I’m buying this car for driving experience, uniqueness, ownership, reliability, and overall beauty. If I wanted a fast car, I won’t look here.

[@smallthings6590]

I came from a scatpack challenger to a 86. I do NOT regret it, 86 is terrifying on the back roads. The scat was boring in about a month.

[@kat4-tv]

really ? i’m actually interested because i was debating on if i should get a camaro or an 86. i LOVE the thrill of going fast , that’s my thing, but where i live my roads have a lot of turns , just from experience which one would you recommend?

[@Windows98R]

Honestly the 86/BRZ is fine for what it is. My friend has a GR86 and he’s been loving it. Sure I can outrun him with my Model 3 but it doesn’t matter. As for space, I drove a 135i for a while, never had issues. As long as you have a different car for family use, any coupe will work perfectly. You really got to adjust your standards accordingly to price. For price, the 86 is a great value. Sure you can’t outrun a Model 3 or have 135i interior but those things won’t matter when you are having fun and are paying about half the price. I can see why my friend likes it so much.

[@callsign_cerberus159]

Yeah but no one buys a BRZ for straight line performance. It would slam the model 3 in an actual track race and the 135i isn’t even in the same price bracket.

[@30hours51]

@@callsign_cerberus159 model 3 is surprsingly quick around autocross and track because it has even lower COG than the gr86, but with that being said there's not a single car that's more fun than a gr86 by a good mile in any range

[@tylerthamarus7834]

I drive a 2023 zl1 1le….just bought a 2024 trueno for my kid….i fell in love with it. The zl1 is work, the gr86 is just fun.

[@iiarskii]

dont care im buying it

[@Carrymedadda]

Deadass, going to test drive tomorrow

[@Adam-ul9px]

​@Carrymedadda how's the clutch and the gear shift?

[@peterjazii6925]

@@Adam-ul9pxgreat. I’m a noob and I can feel the bite point and it’s not stressful in traffic

[@Pharaoh_The_Great]

How’s the payments?

[@peterjazii6925]

@@Pharaoh_The_Great lol whatever you can comfortably afford. while also taking care of needs and saving and investing enough. i recommend you should be making at least 75-80k a year

[@Stormvue]

Bought my BRZ back in 2013 and still have it today. I still smile when I drive on an empty winding road

[@Mr.Reaper904]

Main reason for anyone that would buy GR86 that take you from point A to point B. 💯👍🏽

[@pappppp7793]

All I'm hearing is that the car is a great daily driver and that is enough for me because I am looking for a new RWD manual, if I was looking for a track car I would most likely choose older cars that I'm less scared to push.

[@jubbalandcars]

It’s great as a daily and track weapon

[@ambientweets8408]

I'm giving up my veloster for this car. Can't wait. I'll have to get used to the rear wheel drive. Fishtailed a little between 1st and 2nd on my test drive lol. First thing I'm doing is going to a large church parking lot!

[@sizzlacalunji]

@@ambientweets8408 Did you give up the Veloster? If so, did you get the GR86?

[@ambientweets8408]

@sizzlacalunji I did. I've had my gr86 for almost 18 months now. I love it, but I would tell Toyota/Subaru to put some oh shit handles in the roof for the passenger. This car squats when you push the engine ❤️

[@TrojanRabbit521]

I’m the idiot who traded down from Guilia Ti with a lot more speed, comfort & ‘room’. I couldn’t be happier finally a sub 3k lbs rwd that I don’t tap my fingers waiting to get to speed. What really get a laugh is 3x’s I’ve been told groceries won’t fit. Didn’t even use passenger seat. If you don’t have kids and don’t need a car that breaks speed limit in 4 sec then get this car. If anything happens to my BRZ I’m getting another

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

I have 2 kids and want to get one lol. We only use her car for transporting the kids anyway.

[@alexandermaybry1534]

As an owner of one, don't listen to this man. 0-60 in 5 seconds. So much fun. Easy drifting and great on curves. The downside is that the suspension is rough. I'd upgrade that and exhaust. Otherwise this car is great if a V8 is too much for you. ALSO SIDE NOTE... HKS makes a supercharger 😉 makes hp go up to 320-350 horses😩

[@alexalex5121]

Don't worry about the blind dislikers who just read the title and nothing else, as a lover of this car who can also realize its downsides, great video!!

[@_R0N1N]

Once you realize that it's more fun to have a car like this that is focused on being lightweight balanced handling, you realise that it inspires you to drive a certain way and you're enjoying the whole way. The other heavier cars with more power doesnt even inspire you to drive them fast. Theyre too heavy and bulky its like your overweight and trying to move around quickly. This is perfect to tune for a track weapon balanced and the most fun while being practical living with.

[@edanirz]

I was kind of expecting this to be cheap click bait, but this video is actually informative and real.

[@LucidLoki]

I’m on the fence with this car. I’m definitely an enthusiast, ever since I bought my 240sx in 2000 and did the SR swap and the whole 9. I almost want to chase that experience, lightweight, rwd, manual, etc. I’m just hoping it doesn’t feel too slow, but I have hopes it won’t. I’m currently in a 335i w upgraded suspension, fbo, tuned, xhp stage 3. I love driving it so much, to the point where I come up with places to go and make excuses to drive it. It’s getting up there in miles though and it’s slowly transitioning to my fun weekend car. My other vehicle is older, always overheating, and I need a good commute car. Its 30 min fun twisty backroads and 30 min interstate. So I was gonna get like a civic or corolla, but was thinking the gr86 could fill that roll AND keep the fun in my commute.

[@BlackMambaMMA]

Did you end up buying it in stuck between this and a 370z I love mountains live in ga have E36 m3 that I’m going to big turbo as my insane interstate demon but want a fun coupe to daily for the twisties

[@RDFspaniard]

​@@BlackMambaMMADid you buy it? I got a 2024 and it's great

[@gretsky3463]

The track time reason is incorrect in truth. This car does need better tires for good lap times, but this car was made to be fast around a track and it is. Looking at multiple outlets the premium trim 86 is faster than many cars above its price.

[@jubbalandcars]

Valid counter point

[@chrisprice4658]

I completely disagree with nonsense, we can't even buy these in the UK....!!!! You should be buying these cars because they will hold value

[@xn1ug]

This video is 6 reason to buy one lolol. As a new GR86 owner (1 month in) coming from a really clean 2000 BMW e36 (yup no tech) & my wifes auto Kia Cerato, my opinion is that the car is perfect for a sportier daily. I also got the 2025 model in manual which has adaptive cruise, game changer for me but I'm pushing 50 yrs old for reference lol. Had lots of sports bikes etc over the years so not chasing speed, that gets you in trouble real quick. Upsides (as a daily): - Plenty of space for a couple and 2 small dogs - Nice blend of old and new tech, love the big dials - Handles like a beast and not stupid power ...GR Yaris was too much for me for fun on the street - Looks like an Aston in silver - Insurance is under $1K in Australia, my wife's Kia cost more! (NA and 4 seats ftw!) - Love the eyesight, perfect blend of safety tech for daily and you can turn it off. - Little loud on HWY but not stupid. Am going to insulate torsion bars as per reddit thread - Nice balance of "raw feel" from the engine - you know it's there, but it's not in your face all the time (I'm yet to disconnect the audio, but am in break in so under 5k RPM still) Downsides: - Fuel economy, I'm getting 10L / 100km in Australia which is liveable, but that is absolutely babying it during break in period. - Oil starvation, I'd love to track it (mate has a lotus 410) but that scares the heck out of me, so will prob never see a track - Clutch needs adjusting, should be easy fix If it just had an "economy mode" it'd be perfect with today's premium fuel prices ...but, considering the insurance and service costs of like $300 a year it's amazing. Just don't watch the fuel bars lol.

[@Dwayne898]

1:39 🎉👏👏👏 This is a solid point. Thanks Genuine and honest opinions.

[@anthonykiedis1765]

All of these reasons are why I ordered a GR86 to go along with my C8. Best of both worlds.

[@jubbalandcars]

Great 2 car solution

[@anthonykiedis1765]

@@jubbalandcars yes sir, I miss my S2k a lot so this is the next best thing. Still debating if I should snag the base coming to my dealer next month or hold off for a premium allotment.

[@andrewszeto121]

I've actually cancelled my order for the GR86 and decided to go with the Integra Type S instead for these very reasons.

[@Relicon]

how you liking it? i'm thinking about doing the same thing

[@tooghosty4937]

You surprisingly made me want the car more lol

[@jubbalandcars]

hell yeah i love this thing

[@tommydavidson4608]

@@jubbalandcars huh??

[@optimus3305]

My son bought a 2022 6 speed manual premium a week ago and as someone that’s owned camaro’s and driven alot of rear drive sports cars I gotta say I was shocked at how good it is when I gave it the beans.

[@RDFspaniard]

The 24 model had a decent jump in HP, it's around 225 HP now

[@optimus3305]

@ Uh no, power hasn’t changed, but still a good car.

[@eggy7346]

Mfs always focus on 0-60 in a straight line. The fun part is working on your car to make it better P.S. I test drove this beauty and holy mother of everything that's divine, the handling and feel is superb for it's class. I know what I'm saving for now gimme, I dunno, 4 years for the market to heal a bit (haha right)

[@anhiirr]

its all about passing ppl(genuine euro dipshits) that want to speed into an onramp like a 270deg onramp....w.o realizing its a 2 laner.....and they slash into the inner most lane....as i pass them on my elantra on the outside....while merging from behind them in teh first place...mid ramp...as they wind up needing to use the outer lane to merge to the FWY....all bc i have some Decent tires....never TRUST a person driving a DIRTY AF luxury car....just a vapid mook that doesnt even clean their "NICE STUFF" with neglect and probably shit tires too. Gotta lettem know.

[@discombubulate2256]

my cousin bought the 23 model and had the boys install a turbo kit. she sits at about 230kw and god damn that thing is a track weapon now. a turbo version does all the things and is super happy doing it. ok, it cost a tad to install the turbo and he probably needs to take it back to the shop for a heavier clutch but he couldn't be happier.

[@Semir0800]

My GR86 is finally arriving next week. Ordered it in March '22, but it's worth the wait. I already talked to a lot of people who just don't get the point of the car, especially here in Germany where top speed matters to quite a lot of people. My Daily is a '09 Mercedes E 320 CDI estate, which is the perfect contrast. Fast on the Autobahn, great on fuel, comfortable and very practical. That's great for everyday driving, but fun? No. And that's where the GR86 is pretty much unbeatable for the price.

[@danny2607]

Anytime I hear someone say straight line speed is boring I think “my people”. Yawn fest for me as well. A high HP car isn’t taking twisties any faster than a GR86 will. I definitely prefer driving dynamics over 0-60 times any day

[@politicsreporter4247]

If you want to buy a reliable sports car in a price range I don't think you can beat this. If you don't want to go big bucks then you have plenty of choices.

[@HoldenMcRoin69]

I have a big dog and I just brought my GR86 home today, my pup loves hanging out the window for car rides but I would have to be beyond foolish to put a big dog with big claws anywhere near this car. I’m genuinely considering keeping my Honda that costs me around $800-1000 a year to insure and register just so I have something for the pup and storage. The car has also accumulated a lot of memories over the past decade, it’s hard to see it go

[@Luke-h6n]

I live in Hawaii were it doesn't matter how fast your car is or even fuel economy because you'll be driving 5-10 mph in bumper to bumper traffic on the freeway all day every day until you're ready to jump headfirst off a tall cliff. I did get to go the speed limit once...about 4 years ago during covid lockdown and all the tourists left.......it was so nice. 😊 All that being said, I'm buying one tomorrow, fk it.

[@Lowi]

Bro you definitely didn't get why this car was built.

[@jubbalandcars]

Whoosh

[@85WD]

I had a 2018 WRX automatic, 2019 WRX manual, 2021 STI....now trading the STI for a 2024 BRZ tS....living in the city, the BRZ is the way to go. The novelty of high performance cars wears off after a few years, the BRZ is sexy, handles well, is NA, better fuel economy, is still faster/quicker than the majority of cars out on the road. It's performance is dialed in just right for every day city driving, power right where you need it. You're not going to be pulling 310HP in an STI driving on 50-60km roads, let alone jam packed 401/QEW highways. The BRZ is best suited for those types of roads.

[@Denoheatwave]

bro I'm a med student who just got a z and just stumbled on this, glad to see you making videos with another community 😎

[@CrescentBRZ]

A lot of people always ask why didnt you get [insert car here] I just want a cool, fun car.

[@chibidakis1]

"They'll get you in the straightways, but you'll get them in the corners."

[@hiro4370]

been thinking about getting an 86/FRS for a bit now. have been dailying an old honda and all the things you listed are still somehow upgrades from my current car

[@reedoburrito7456]

The same. 03 honda

[@alexrain1188]

One reason that nobody mentions is that… women hate this car. They think it is cool the first date, but after that it’s just complaints. Hard to to get into, too rough, I’m cold. And if you are deeper into the relationship, they hate it because it is a symbol of your independence. Only one solution. Get a new girlfriend

[@realnapster1522]

Is it cold though? I thought it comes with heated seats too.

[@docscotty1992]

Sounds like just an American thing to me. Where I live heaps of women own and daily drive 86s/BRZs they love them.

[@jubbalandcars]

lol girl's i've dated haven't made it a big deal

[@mikemayers8672]

Girls like BMW It gives them tinges down under ;)

[@asdf1324]

Obviously.. it's all about handling. Before touching the engine when modding. Deal with the suspension first. Handling helps gives faster lap time.

[@klein2252]

My favorite car I’ve personally ever owned was a 2010 Lexus IS250 Convertible. 206 horsepower dragging a 3800 (3950 with me in it) pound dead horse down the road. I liked it though! The word I always thought of to describe the driving was "planted". This was a car that could take a turn on a highway at 110 without sliding… it was insane! It took a few business days to get to 110, but with the top down who cares! Going to this from an 07 Acura MDX, the near completely eliminated risk of a roll over was also quite nice 😂

[@naturalmystic5098]

Most of your claims of why it's bad is due to reasons of personal preferences. This car is not made for highway racing, luxury, or you need extra space for groceries or friends..... so yeah..... that's more on the lack of knowledge for the buyer if they didn't already know what this car is made for. Great video thanks for sharing.

[@paulosbornept7523]

I drove an MR2 Spyder as my home health car 100-150 miles/day for 10 years. If ya gotta drive you might as well have fun. I miss it, I need to take a closer look at the 86.

[@Vijaypall_96]

I'd love a GR86 but soooo expensive ! Hopefully they come down in a couple years time. Love the look and the entire history of it.

[@boxoffisa]

Try a Porsche, maybe.

[@Anywaays]

@@boxoffisayeah cause Porsches are super affordable

[@hhaste]

Expensive? It's the cheapest new sports car you can buy.

[@hhaste]

@@Anywaays Used, they can be in the same ballpark as the new GR86.

[@Pharaoh_The_Great]

I’m sure the average person don’t have $30k cash sitting around so depending on your down payment, credit, interest rate and other monthly expenses, I doubt no one want to deal with $670+ payments plus insurance. It’s better to get the previous gen as far as affordability goes.

[@quiksr20]

I really love the look of the 2nd gen GR86 but im struggling with two of the points you brought up.. 1 the performance.. I know its like a Miata where HP isnt everything but coming from a GTI & 328I both tuned I feel like I will miss the power... And Point 6 the interior... I know its probaly not bad but once you dabble in VW/BMW interiors even Mazda like you said its hard to go back to a budget basic interior.. Sometimes Its like I wish I never knew what a higher end interior was like because I never use to care. Still the 86 seems like a pure drivers car and I can get behind that.

[@khazzzzzz]

The last point, You Need Luxury, really hit me hard and that is coming from an owner of Mazda 3 2022. It may not be German, but this interior spoiled me so much that is the only reason why it is holding me back, along with the road/wind noise (which I can understand). I still have 4 years to think whether to grab a Mazda Miata or Toyota GR86. Great video!

[@julecasey2376]

I had a 2013 frs and was daily driving it as well as canyon runs and road-trips, the car never had any maintenance issues whatsoever. However, just 10k miles after the recall for the valve springs my engine starved of oil and I spun a bearing and blew a hole in the short block. 126k miles on the car was very impressive nonetheless. Car is now gone but I’m looking at a 2015 rs1, the new gens are hideous to me and the frs was and is the best looking version of all 3 imo

[@Iseenoobpeoples]

I have the first gen with 4X 255 width 200TW tires, high capacity suspension, clutch pack LSD, many chassis geometry tweaks (including anti geometries), locked steering rack, small weight reductions and more. It is very fast at my local track, much faster than OEM Veloster N, 370Z, GR86, Tesla model S, WRX, etc, it pulls very high g-forces, 1.6g+ with spikes above 2gs, the center of gravity is very low. The biggest weakness was the OEM Torsen differential, it is unbelievably bad at the limit. Only now I feel like adding power, before that it would have make the weaknesses even worst. Great car if you plan on using aftermarket components, it feels so good now.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Did you rebuild the factory diff with the clutch type LSD or do an entirely different rear? I had a torsen in my camaro factory and the clutch type I replaced it with was way better.

[@Iseenoobpeoples]

@@MeltingRubberZ28 Factory diff casing with a drop in clutch pack LSD unit. Yea, It's a must have on any sports car that is going to be thrown around.

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

@@Iseenoobpeoples seems like a fun car. Kinda want one now

[@Iseenoobpeoples]

Yeah, it did take a lot of work/tuning to make it behave with OEM power, big tires/alignment, thick oil, LSD will take away power, it is left behind on hills and straits, the car is very impressive on corner/brake/anything in it's way now lol, I bought a blown engine for 350$ to rebuild with lower compression, I went with a used FBM turbo kit, not yet installed, it will match a 911 one day :D

[@lashlarue7924]

You left out a very important one: you shouldn't buy a Toyobaru if you'd be better off getting a Miata. Reasons to get a Miata include: 1) you're under 6' tall 2) you own other vehicles 3) you could use a convertible and 4) you want to just have fun more than you want to go to the track. I am too tall for a Miata 😢

[@Kevin.Savoie]

Bought my FRS in 2013. Autocrossed it since 2014. Won a regional championship with it, daily drive it in yhe winter and brought my kids to daycar and school in it for 7 years. All I had in it was an air filter, cat back and crash bolts. Had to change the sway bar bushings... yeah it was a damn f'n great car.

[@lucascasey8869]

Did the mods devalue the car? I want to get an 86 and would like to mod it, but I’m not sure how I will work that out with the valuation

[@Kevin.Savoie]

@@lucascasey8869 it holds the value. It's all simple and cheap mods that keeps it looking stock while helping a bit with performance.

[@lucascasey8869]

@@Kevin.Savoie thank you very much

[@immunity4soul]

How do you take kids to daycare in this? Where do you put carseat?

[@Kevin.Savoie]

​@@immunity4soulthe 2 back seats. A rear facing seat will only fit the passenger side with the front seat pushed forward. But forward facings are fine until they hit a certain height. Lets just say we didn't take family trips in it.

[@JoeS-ij1wg]

I know everyone has an opinion but I just bought a Gr86 and it's quite impressive he is talking bout lap times and a small back seat we all know it's not a family car, sounds like he is knit picking just my opinion

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

what's your advice on being able to warm up the car on a track day? 1 lap ? 2 lap? Considering that some cars takes like 15 min to even get the oil temp up (when daily driving). The transmission , tires, Driver, also needs to warm up , etc. BTW, I know some nice roads to hit if you don't know about them. Its great places to practice low speed foot work. I call it the Touge of Summerlin.

[@jubbalandcars]

At least 1-2 warmup laps when you go out is key. On all components. Including brakes which will otherwise warp. Ask me how I know. Let’s hear about the togue of Summerlin

[@LoveLikeaHurricane]

@@jubbalandcars there are roads that connect from downtown summerlin to bishop Gorman that has elevation changes, roundabouts, and straights. Very fun.

[@86franky64]

iv had a 2022 gr86 for a year and i love it 😂

[@notsaying]

@@Julianklaus he didnt say he got rid of it?

[@ethanspeer6454]

This why I got the sti, still a driver’s car and handles great, but can make good power too compared to the brz/86s

[@anthonymoy4471]

I had three big dogs until they passed but I took the passenger seat out and they all three sat in a row where the second seat went 😅. Also a twin hitch and 15 foot cannoe with trolling motor towed behind ❤

[@K03sport]

well, a great dane fits in the back seat of a wrx and he was perfectly fine despite touching both doors. he adjusted as necessary and enjoyed the drive...

[@Aerondighteternal]

I bet that car stunk like shit

[@anthonymoy4471]

@Taylor-dt2wd maybe if I were a dirty mother fucker the pits get baths every 2 weeks and the husky goes to petsmart to get groomed. Not every one's a dirty mf

[@Nebz77]

So great to see a fellow doc who's also a gear head and with awesome productions. Keep it up man!

[@zzanatos2001]

Reason #7. You like to spend money on more expensive cars as a way to "flex your wealth" and "outclass the peasants."

[@aluisious]

Telling people they're not watching their oil temps is absurd. It means the car has insufficient cooling capacity. You don't make a car that people will drive on track that can't cool itself properly. It's not even fast, so it shouldn't have cooling issues.

[@johnrooney507]

Had a v8 suv beat me in a straight line the other day, but it certainly wouldn’t come out ahead on top speed, track or cornering.

[@TrojanRabbit521]

I enjoy when a V8 truck tailgates me into a corner…

[@brzo.]

take one of them off ramps that are very round and posted at 25-35 mph at around double that, watch what happens to the suv lololol and if you think im trying to kill you, my ford edge (a 4k pound suv) takes those at 2x the posted limit, so i think a brz would be fine at that or even higher

[@anhiirr]

XD once i 2 foot breaked in a roundabout when a M beamer SUV was trying to gate me....fool almost jumped the turn LMFAO i was just in my regular elantra daily delivery driver that gets 200MI+ a day under my belt on a good day LMFAO that knows how to actually MOVE a car. I do the same thing every time i get on my local area of work...a few onramps...i pass 4d beamer sedans in the outside 270deg ramp. Tire peformance and psi etc...really matters not that it equates to tire life esp on FF LOL. ADD rain to the equation EVEN More LUL.

[@jonathan9097]

The rtv issue still haunts me tho:/ have had mine for a year now and no problem at all some glitches on turning signals but all and all it’s super fun but that rtv issue is always in the back of my head which is why I don’t like pushing the car too hard

[@adanshehzad2933]

Don’t worry about it, just check ur oil dipstick every month

[@ACommenterOnYouTube]

@@adanshehzad2933 What does checking the oil have to with the pickup collecting rtv chunks ??

[@walkemdown4127]

I don’t think pushing your car/not pushing it would make a difference w the rtv issue

[@jonathan9097]

@@walkemdown4127 it does sadly some guy tracked it for 2 days and had massive rtv in his oil pan and he only had 10k on his car

[@MeltingRubberZ28]

Isn't it super simple to fix? Drop the pan, clean the crap out of the pickup tube, put pan back on with new sealer. What part am I missing?

[@dannyxst9545]

From asking the GR86 reddit community, they said that the car have great grip and you can speed in corner with the car being good at gripping, and in the video you do say that the car isn't that grippy and it's play full, idk who to believe lol.

[@jasondebraux6695]

I stumbled upon your page but I'm really enjoying the content. It's logical, descriptive and just overall good content. I don't know if you focus on more than just this car but I'm going to check you out. Keep it up man.

[@jubbalandcars]

Thanks so much Jason!

[@daveforz]

something reliable and fun to drive in regular traffic. all I really want.

[@kofibaryehjr8065]

yoo i'd recognize that street light anywhere (honestly idk why but its memorable) you live in the las vegas area me too!! its at 0:47

[@jubbalandcars]

👋🏼

[@kofibaryehjr8065]

@@jubbalandcars i may have seen your car b4 but not all to sure i drive a 22 brz bc im a subi bro

[@JakeT304]

Really liked the video and agree for the most part. I will say that I've seen a lot of posts calling this car everything from "slow" to "very slow", and that's just not true. The car is NOT fast. That's true. Buuuut it's not any variation of slow either lol. It's quick. Still has an athletic like acceleration (even the auto, I know sinful). My point is, I think most people think this car has the acceleration of a commuter car in a sports car like shell. That's not true. It's still faster than most cars on the road lol

[@shahrukhbakar3248]

PLEASE get Toyota/Subaru to release a Corrective Action on the RTV silicone clogging up the oil pickup tube strainer. There is way too much RTV silicone being applied from the factory and pieces are breaking off and clogging up the oil pickup tube strainer enough to damage engines. PLEASE get Toyota/Subaru corporate to fix this issue and use simple gaskets!!

[@natelove187]

Are the new GR86 like this

[@user-cg7cc7zj3e]

One of the reasons I passed on these. A Toyota should have a Toyota motor to begin with and not a Subaru.

[@hhaste]

@@user-cg7cc7zj3e Very dumb reason to pass on it with such an easy fix. The engine has nothing to do with how much RTV is applied lmao.

[@user-cg7cc7zj3e]

@@hhaste It's a Subaru motor and by design is flawed. Nothing lost. Subaru quality has been drastically falling for years now. Not to mention don't turn too hard to the right...the oil pressure drops in this motor! lol

[@RDFspaniard]

​@@user-cg7cc7zj3elol you realize the history of this engine? Originally Toyota but the designer went to Subaru and was apparently such a nice guy he managed to build a bridge with this design many decades ago. At one point it was the ceclica that was carrying on this design, scion later did as well, this is just the most recent interation of that mans design.

[@poncicasas5948]

ONE thing I hate about this car (and not literally the car itself) is that these v8-engine motor- heads -that -recently -bought -a stock -v8 -and -recently -got into -the -car scene always think this car “looks fast” and always want a race. If anyone who is truly into the car scene from JDM to Euro to American muscle would already KNOW that this car is s l o w and would appreciate its handling capabilities and I guess you can say drifting. Recently met a dude at a quick trip with a Hellcat that was shocked he was able to see a GR86 when he saw me pull up. People like him really are the reason why the car community is great. Straight line performance isn’t always everything in a car.

[@CCGtavern]

It's one of the most fun cars to take to the track or a mountain road. I don't need the power

[@jubbalandcars]

It still has adequate power too! Unlike the first gen

[@noneofmybusiness9895]

Good review. I'm looking at a BRZ as my GLI is too sensor happy, too much tech, too much numbness for the luxury feel, too big, not fun enough, and insanely expensive and time consuming to upgrade - eg coilovers isn't just undo top hat, bolts from knuckle and install. The GLI needs shroud removed over top hat, either axle nut or drive axle housing removed to remove the strut, and a dcc canceling system. Oh and I need a set of triple square tools $$$. Oh I long for my old Honda em1 - so beautiful to work on.

[@716Flat4]

the new 2022 brz is much better, and a simple small procharger will make these things absolute street monsters. You keep that driver experience but gain all the power BRZ owners and onlookers have been complaining about for years. the mx5 suffers similar issues, super light and a true drivers care with wonderful feedback, zippy but not really fast. a little boost goes a long way. I have had the pleasure of being in a couple procharged older brzs now, not one of the new years yet...they really are everything you want in a car...except it snows here. A stock brz can be managed in the snow with winter tires, but a procharged one is a real challenge. For that reason, people like me end up getting a larger heavier awd wrx with a lot more power that cant out drag a stock brz just to be able to play year round. Seriously, if I could figure out how to 70/30 r/f awd a brz somehow, I really feel it wouldlt rob people of the driver experience, although it would alter it a lot. more money than its worth tho right. If anyone out there loves the BRZ but dogs the power this is what I can say...they FEEL fast behind the wheel, even bone stock. They feel really fast with a little boost and frankly, they get sketchy fast with moderate boost. Trust me, you can have your cake and eat it too with a conservative boost...and you will absolutely roast every single one of your sti/wrx owning friends...much to our upset.

[@saulespino2510]

Jubbal & Cars- I have a first grn BRZ and a brother of mine has a 2015 FRS, great cars. You didn't have any issues with the valve springs on your 2013 FRS?

[@jubbalandcars]

No got the recall done and tracked it many times over the course or 35k+ miles after the recall. No issues

[@indyg4019]

I own a pretty beat up 2014 frs and sat in a GR86 at the NY auto show and it sold me on the idea of getting one of these to daily drive so I can use the frs as a project car to lift and take on dirt roads

[@davidtucker3538]

My 3 weeks of ownership review, I did not buy the car as a daily driver. I would not drive one everyday. It is not a comfortable suspension and you feel every bump on the road. Its a fun car to have in the garage that does not burn the bank, like the supra. I am not too concerned about the RTV issue. I won't be driving it a lot and certainly not on the track. Everyone's engine would have burnt out before i have serious miles on it. I get the thumbs up from other drivers and I notice other cars trying to get closer, to see what this car is. You cannot treat it as a regular car.

[@cg841]

I disagree. It’s great as a daily driver. I bought an old land Rover as my second car for the weekends. I’m doing the opposite of you and I gotta say, it’s working out great.

[@mikemayers8672]

This car is affordable to daily and feels comfortable.

[@thegrimreaper6926]

Well.. it's a sports car for track and or for everyday commute. People like me are interested in this cheap sport car because it still gives you the experience to drive a sports car it's a power-friendly, budget-friendly balanced car.

[@Kacpa2]

I wish toyota made it into a liftback like Celica or Nissan S13(240sx) were. There isnt a single liftback 2+2 coupe on the market and it would make it infinetly more practical. Subaru wanted to make shooting brake BRZ at one point they made a concept in 2013 for it called Cross Sports. We were so close to having a very practical sportscar for little money, buy either they couldnt because toyota didnt allow them or they did not feel like investing into making it into production. It would have rear headroom for adults and giant hatchback like trunk(but still much flatter than say BMW 1 series 3 door)

[@lastfrog5941]

dont buy a brz/gr86 if you dont like having to always top up on oil, boxer are design consume oil.

[@jubbalandcars]

Hmm I never had that as a problem with my old frs

[@dpham-g5i]

Never had oil burning issues with my 1st gen 36k miles in. It's hugely a FI issue imo.

[@realnapster1522]

BMW owners can relate 😂

[@sajjadkhan6u]

Supercharger will boost up to 350hp, with some other mods yeah it's a track car plus lighter than Porsche cars, or other AWD cars.

[@Electronica27]

6:36 honestly surprised with this bit about the steering, when I heard the GR Corolla was going to have electric steering I was expecting it to be worse than the GR 86. I've only driven the GR Corolla, so I thought the GR 86 would have just as heavy steering with more feedback. The car I drove before was an aw11 mr2, and it had completely unassisted steering, and honestly going from it to the GRC was surprisingly not a big jump, the GRC has relatively heavy steering, but not enough to strain my arms as sometimes has happened with low speeds on my AW11.

[@jubbalandcars]

Steering weight is one aspect but I’d argue feedback, accuracy, and ratio are just as important if not more

[@Electronica27]

@@jubbalandcars Very true, I had my aw11's bushings completely redone with Urethane and I remember how incredibly sensitive the wheel was, it was almost too sensitive for the highway tbh. For the GR I'd say is nearly just as accurate only on Sport mode steering.

[@Vortex1988]

When people mention that cars are great and fun at cornering but not straight line speed, I have to wonder where the hell in the US they drive where 99% of roads aren't straight lines.

[@J.R.F.23]

#Jubbal&Cars : I appreciate this video and your assessment. I intend on buying a 2024 BRZ Limited in Automatic. I am not sure if you will see this comment, if you do I would love your input. First off the ONLY reason I am getting an Automatic is that I had extensive right shoulder surgery; so an automatic is a necessity 100% over desire. Secondly I am getting the BRZ over the GR86 due to the motor being a Subaru; I have read many times that people with GR86's that had engine problems (had dealer problems too). Some Toyota dealers/mechanics are not familiar with the Subaru engine enough to properly address some engine issues (I understand that this would depend on the specific mechanic and their experience level). I just feel that a Subaru mechanic will be more familiar with the engine. Lastly I am in my late 50s (semi-retired Law Enforcement). I will not be driving this on a track OR pushing the limits of the vehicle; I just want a car that looks great and is super fun to drive. Most of my driving is within 15 miles from my house in any direction; and I will likely drive around 4k miles a year. (My Family vehicle is a 2018 Highlander Le Plus; this vehicle will be just my "fun" car.) With my specific circumstances in mine; would you recommend or not recommend the 2024 BRZ? If you see this your input is greatly appreciated.

[@jubbalandcars]

Seems like a great fit for you. Your reasoning is quite sound in my opinion. Enjoy!

[@J.R.F.23]

@@jubbalandcars Thank You!

[@Myst1c_OW]

imma give u 1 reason why u should, cool car and thats all that matters!

[@mr.silhouette6252]

Hey man, new to your channel! What oil would you recommend for this vehicle other than the stock brand one? Is there anything significantly better that you would recommend?

[@jubbalandcars]

Depends on your use case. I personally run 5W30 Motul 8100 since I do track days. Used that for years on my FRS as well without issues

[@jubbalandcars]

I now use Pennzoil Ultra Platinum 5w30

[@naakgt]

Hello, why did you switch?

[@kylesmith6834]

I’m torn between this, Corolla GR with AWD ❤, and the civic type R. I want one of each 😩

[@grigorios21]

What do you mean don’t buy one? If you upgrade the brakes and you turbocharge it, it becomes a track weapon rivalling Porsche costing 3 times as much

[@laurdessvalentino5849]

These are six things YOU don't like

[@jubbalandcars]

I love the car

[@ArbyCreeper]

I agree on the last one. While GR86 is an amazing car in the modern age, coming from an Evo 9, it lacked the raw driving sensation that the Evo had. And Because the Evo is technically a 4 door souped up sedan, and the GR86 being a lightweight 2-door coupe known to be fun to drive, to thrash around, I expected a little more when test driving one. There is also something about the drivers feedback from the road surface seemed lacking was a big point to me probably due to being an EPS over hydraulic (at least in stock form). There are something you can fix, such as exhaust, and headers to have more aggressive sound, and stiffer suspension, but is this something you can easily fix? Or its something that I should buy an older car like from the 90s-early 2000s era again.

[@thebest-bt8gc]

Great video man!

[@SupraSav]

The problem is subaru engines suck. Subaru admitted their problems in '02 and then proceeded to do absolutely nothing about it. If this car had the B48 engine, it would have been an absolute monster and given the 86 unreal tuning potential.

[@NoName-ge6wc]

You convinced me. I’m leasing one.

[@jad8825]

GR86 Premium or Subaru BRZ, what’s gonna be the best bang for my buck and last longer?

[@jubbalandcars]

They’re more similar than different. BRZ more supple suspension and more understeer prone. More aluminum suspension components. Both will last the same length. Value will depend on production numbers

[@Save_the_Stick_Shifts]

Debating upgrading from an 05 RSX Type S I have in great shape (OEM+), but waiting on further developments and reliability of the platform...

[@pushlimit]

Hi, I’m from Taiwan. Really love ur videos n ur comments. I am going to get a GR86 too, on the waiting list hope to get it this spring. I am wondering what have you upgraded ur GR86?

[@jubbalandcars]

I have just added camber bolts and new wheels and tires (video coming out soon). Prior I only had oil cooler, brake pad, fluids, ducktail spoiler

[@the1reclaimer6969]

For a budget sports car, and an entry level sports car. would you say this is a good choice?

[@jubbalandcars]

It’s phenomenal

[@stevenrais9360]

Kind of sounds perfect for me. Just want a fun car thats an upgrade from my corolla