6 Things I NEVER Do Inside of Lightroom! (Landscape Photography)

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Do you start & finish your edits in the same program?

[@equisetuminc]

Yes, because I use Capture One. After decades of being a beta site for Adobe, and owning perpetual licenses of all their software, my company lost 400 edited files in Lightroom. Adobe’s attitude was enough to ditch it. Once burned etc.

[@jamesamoh7340]

97% Lightroom & 3% photoshop mainly lasso tool, heal, clone & stamp. 😂

[@warnerwildernessphotography]

Great video! I tend to do 75% in Lightroom then switch to photoshop for the remainder.

[@ricardotejeda6530]

I start with some soft editing in Camera Raw, then move into PS to focus stack, edit through luminosity masks, and some other stuff.

[@GBB70]

basic adjustments in LR then finish the edit in PS mainly using TK Action V7

[@marka351]

I am starting to use Photoshop more, I first I was not using it because I did not know what I was doing so I did not feel comfortable with the program as it is quite different from lightroom. I am slowly getting more used to it but don't use it anywhere near its full potential.

[@old4004]

I'm glad to see your emphasis on #1 "Cleaning Up". I have never been able to get good results while trying to remove blemishes in Lightroom. Always thought it was just me.

[@michaeltillman886]

Here's the thing with me. Ps has now, Ps Raw, which has the same features as Lr! So, my question is; Why use Lr at all?

[@Centauri27]

This only encourages me to use Luminar AI for even more of my editing! They have options for every one of these techniques, without the complicated dance in Photoshop!

[@avnerbenzvi8757]

Mark you are not using Photoshop native lumanisity Mask. I don't have the external tools you are using. will be nice ig you can show us how to do it in native Photoshop

[@MsPernickety]

I don't either and would love to know how to use them too. I see more and more people use them but I wouldn't have a clue how to download or use them.

[@antoniodesiderio1984]

I develop my photos from tablets and not from computer. Anyway I start with Photoshop Express and do the finishing touches with snapseed.😉😉👍🏻👍🏻

[@gregbenzphotography]

Just caught this. Great video, Mark!

[@GuidoVanDeWater]

Great video mark, you've shownieuws some techniques that I didnt use yet in photoshop. I always start in lightroom and for some things I'm going to photoshop. Right now I'm ending a lot of my images in topaz sharpen for that extra bit of sharpnes and noise reduction.

[@MichaelTadashi]

2:58 You don't need to use the patch tool for selection. Use lasso instead. The patch tool is used for patching like what Lightroom does. 5:42 you can press Z and mouse drag to zoom into a specific area. I don't usually scroll, but I pan with spacebar+mouse drag.

[@tomhirst7134]

Mark, helpful video as usual, I sold all my Canon EOS 5 III gear, in 2014, to move to Fuji, started with X-T1 then 2 and finally 3, but, I got rid of my Fuji X-T3 in 2020 because the sensors are not supported by Adobe, I bought Capture One Pro, but find that I doesn't support Focus Stacking nor Panaramas and lightroom makes Fuji RAF files look like they've been infested with worms! I did try converting to DNG first, but just the same. I was a long time user of Lightroom and a bit of Photoshop, so C1Pro didn't help my workflow, being an ageing amateur. I'm now back to Canon 5D IV and the holy trinity of lenses 16-35 f4, 24-105 f4 and 70-200 f4 and blissfully back to Adobe and my preferred workflow. Can you tell me how you are getting on with the X-T4, focus stacking and panoramas in particular please? (GFX is irrelevant as, I believe, they used a Beyer sensor in that camera) Many thanks.

[@worldfromtheair]

I do most of these things in Luminar AI, the only reason now I have to use Photoshop for is stitching and object cleanup (if I can't do a good job in Luminar AI).

[@masfher]

The problem with photoshop in the last update is probably is not recognizing your gpu, I'm having the same problem and have tried couple of solutions with no success (if you go to Preferences and the Performance your graphics processor SHOULD NOT BE GREYD OUT if it is your working only with your board integrated gpu only )

[@jameswestii454]

Mark, do you have a video here or a purchase that contains how you set up the preferences in Lightroom Classic from General thru Network in detail? Seen many of your videos on LRC and Photoshop but have not came across any yet showing in detail the basics of starting new. Could you point me in the right direction? TY. Lightroom Classic 11.5 MacBook Pro M1 Max (Monterey) Canon 5Dsr Have not opened up Photoshop yet.

[@genecos7630]

Dear Sir... You are a wealth of information and have cleared up many questions with this particular video. Please keep up the great work... Many thanks... Gene.

[@tresnic09]

Mark, love your videos. Instead of choosing Edit>Fill>Content Aware Fill, do you ever try Edit>Content Aware Fill directly? It gives you much more editing control and IMO better results.

[@specialized41]

I use 95% Photoshop, because I find too complicated that export/import, metadata, etc (file system) in Lightroom you end with so many files. Photoshop is simple open/save file. I have friends that only use Lightroom. I Love your Channel, specially retouching photos. Clear & Simple explanation.

[@heatheryoung9129]

I thought you could do photo stacking in LRC as well...with the photo merge option? I have used it a few times for some shots in the grand canyon to make HDR images since my camera is older and won't do it in-camera (Cannon 5DmkII). Very helpful video as always!

[@HR-wd6cw]

Totally agree on the spot removal. That's one thing I absolutely will NOT do in LR, even to this day. It's sad that we are on version 10 of LR and they can't even give us the same spot removal tools as what's found in LR--I mean it's OK if you are doing spot removal on something that either has a repeated texture or no texture (like a blue sky) but beyond that, removing complete objects, it's very hard and LR just falls short on this. And this lack of better spot removal technology is also bothersome to me especially if Adobe's hope was that more people would just use LR as some people find Photoshop to be intimidating, so I think Adobe really needs to rethink the spot removal in LR (and make it work more like the clone stamp and spot removal tools in PS). If they did that, I would spend maybe 10% of my time in LR, and not like 1/3 of my time.

[@anthonybradbury4124]

Coming back to this video again. Thanks for the really useful info! You should charge for this...

[@eliaeichmann5097]

Thank you very much for your great movie. Working since 10+ years in architectural visualization and psd is my post production program ever since. But i still could get some nice tips for some detail finisheds. And what i really want to praise, i like your "natural" movies a lot. You don't cut them. Minute 9:36 very symphatic ;-) cheers from switzerland

[@nickyfoulkes8476]

Hi Mark I also use high pass sharpening usually with soft light. I the add apply image so you can pull the sharpening off the shadows. Stole the idea from your friend F64 Academy.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Blake's a PS Genius - if he says it - I'll try it:)

[@markham56]

Great Orton effect tip. I never how it was manually done. I agree with you on all points. Even though LR has improved, I keep learning more techniques only in Photoshop.

[@vzshadow1]

I use Ps for almost all my editing. The question is why do you use Lr? Camera Raw will do most anything that Lr will do and is part of Ps. I do use Topaz DeNoise to de-noise and sharpen. It is amazing. Topaz Sharpen is amazing!

[@jamesyoke3501]

I mainly use lightroom. If I need to remove something I will then use photoshop

[@hgpezi]

I start my editing in Camera Raw and go ahead in Photoshop. I don't use Lightroom at all. BTW for zomming you can use your scroll wheel while yu are pressing the option key which goes much smoother than your plus and minus. Nice work thank you.

[@richard5005]

Mark Great 👍 video. Would it be possible for you to explain in your focus stacking the conditions that made it impossible for you to focus on the foreground and background in one ☝️ shot? Your option took two pictures: one ☝️ for the and one ☝️ for the rock in the foreground. I would greatly appreciate any information you can share with me. Regards Richard

[@kuau714]

Mark another great video, In some ways you are making the case just to initially cull your images in Bridge and then just go straight to Photoshop... Question when using the high pass method of sharpening will this sharpen clouds / sky ? One of the great easy feature in LR that easily allows you to make off areas that don't need sharpening. Lastly if coming out of LR or ACR into to Photoshop do you do any "raw" sharpening first and do you intentionally set sharpening to 0 in LRC/ACR

[@richard5005]

Mark, great video. Can you please tell me what conditions led you to take two images, foreground, and background and the conditions that you could not do with one exposure? I would appreciate your feedback. Best regards Richard

[@robertlavers1121]

I am starting to use photoshop more but find it less user-friendly than Lightroom, for example sharpen tools use a tiny preview window and adjustments are suck-it-and-see whereas in Lightroom I can see effects globally and in real time. The one sharpen tool I value though is motion blur correction, it doesn’t always work but I have been able to successfully revisit photos which were otherwise not quite good enough.

[@orphanuprising]

I had issues with scrolling and zooming with the latest updates of PS, until I updated my Nvidia drivers. Now its as smooth as ever. Not sure what you'll have to update on Mac but you might want to look into any potential OS updates.

[@berthaduniverse]

Mark, good morning and thank you for another sweet vid. I have a problem with the LRC spot tool in that it really bogs down with more than a dozen spots, and gets worse and worse as you add more points. I like shooting macros and there is always tiny bits of stuff that will need to be removed. This is a problem in PS in that many of these patches are not single click-n-go actions. (and yes, I have a huge amount of processor power and ram).

[@I_am-that_guy]

I certainly agree clone/heal tools in LR are highly inferior, my biggest issue is the healing tool will grab colors near where you select a blemish, it may be by design but I much dislike having to clone and then heal over it when PS does a much better job in one step! I’ve only begun my PS journey after feeling like I’ve mastered most of the features in LR. PS is daunting at first but the more I play with it the more the workflow makes sense. So many options is what makes it overwhelming!

[@WeekndPhotographers]

great work again, Mark. Love it and such useful tips.

[@RonDonson]

I go from LrC sometimes to PS but lately I’m also using Luminar AI a lot more. I’m looking forward to more updates in Luminar AI.

[@matthoffman6962]

Meh I find content aware doesn’t do that great of a job. It would better to use the clone tool and manually zoom in 400% to get individual pixels cloned. But to each their own I guess. Still a good video

[@petero.1455]

The only issue I have with this video, which you should have clarified, is clearly for full-time photographers or someone whose sole hobby outside of work is obsessive photography.

[@craigbeyers3054]

Interesting, but it’s more of an advertisement for Lumensia (sp?) than for Photoshop…

[@thierryhoornaert9950]

It might be interesting to show how to deal with water, tree etc. movement in focus stacking. Thank you for the tips and impeccable presentations.

[@karinstrandby5888]

A great thanks to you Mark 🙏🏼 I am learning SO much from you 👍🏼😍

[@fernandourquiza6459]

I tried to follow you on the advise on sharpening in PS. I just cannot get out of the Gray image and applied to the original image. That part was not clear in your video. Thank you in advance

[@miketramble1442]

I'm pretty new to photography but I'm curious if when you merge photos do you edit them before or after you merge them? Thanks for the videos theyre awesome and really help alot.

[@andycoleman2708]

I had never thought to combine the Orton effect with luminosity masks - great tip! Lightroom is slowly becoming the place I decide which photos I want to edit and then apply simple changes before opening up in Photoshop.

[@SourcePhotography]

Very informative. Thank you for sharing. Bless.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Thank YOU!

[@SourcePhotography]

@@MarkDenneyPhoto My pleasure 😊

[@ikkuvaljo]

Sometimes the measure scales on the edges cause lagginess. If you still have this problem, maybe try disabling them?

[@G8RKyle]

zoom is very laggy now. It's really hurting my workflow.

[@dfinlay587]

I always clone things out with content aware fill. Instead of menus, you can just hit the delete key. ;-)

[@listonheinz9103]

I rarely use Luminar these days, but if I feel the need for Orton effect I go to that program and use a simple slider. I’m to impatient to use the slow workflow through PS.

[@davidmullinphotography]

I do the exact same sharpening technique, but I tend to use Overlay the majority of the time instead of Soft or Hard Light. Another great video!

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Thanks a million Dave - glad you enjoyed it!

[@andrewadams8164]

Any ideas on why my “thumbs up” doesn’t work?

[@RRGreiner]

You can use the lasso to select a small area and then just press delete and it will default to content aware fill so hit enter. Slightly faster than using the patch and going down a menu and what not.

[@michaelt7320]

Great tips, especially on clean-up, sharpening and luminosity masks. This gave me the incentive to try them more often and make them part of my workflow. Thanks, Mark.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Thanks for watching Michael!

[@djking9828]

Great video, is lumenzia an add on program for PS.

[@RyanRiopel]

At first I thought your "Lightroom > Photoshop" titles meant Lightroom was greater than Photoshop

[@steven4217]

There are always gems in your uploads. Thanks

[@willsimpsonphoto]

definitely started with only using Lightroom and as i've learned more about photoshop i find myself doing more and more work in photoshop.

[@malcolmpierce825]

So far I have. I'm expanding...

[@Garthgoyle]

Might as well title it "6 times apples are better than oranges"

[@JorgeGomez-rw9zt]

Very helpful Mark! Thanks!

[@wallystellmacher6794]

I only use Photoshop for editing. It takes more time but it is so much more powerful than Lightroom. By the way, you still have the efficient Lightroom-Develop-Module inside Photoshop. There it is called Camera RAW.

[@ricardotejeda6530]

You are the only other person I've found besides myself that uses Camera Raw. We are truly special :-D

[@wallystellmacher6794]

@@ricardotejeda6530 I just do the basics with Camera RAW. Maybe 90% is just Photoshop.

[@ricardotejeda6530]

@@wallystellmacher6794 Samesies

[@FranHoganPanama]

thank you for the video. I use LR and PS for the same tasks, in the same way, but I've recently added Luminar IA to the mix and it is often used for the very final touch. Especially for sharpening.

[@tacituskilgore8379]

How to suck the joy out of taking photos in 6 not so easy steps 😬

[@rgarlinyc]

Good reasons - can't disagree with any one of them. I too use Lumenzia, Raya Pro etc., so it's Photoshop for me.👍🏻

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Glad you think so!

[@ParametricToroid]

Have you made a video of how you incorporate lumenzia and Photoshop round trips from Lightroom in your editing? I think it would be really helpful to see your overall workflow from Lightroom to Photoshop. Thanks for the tips!

[@StuEddins]

Mark, as always a very good video. Some of the tips will even work on non-Adobe platforms. When I use LR I do jump back and forth into and out of PS. I also use ON1 Photo Raw, and in that platform the LR and PS experience is all in the same interface (though way more limited in tools!) But hold on... a Kodak VHS tape on your desk? Man, I sold thousands of those in my camera store back in the day LOL.

[@Packiechu]

I actually just used PS the other day to remove a car from the background of one of my photos. I futzed with the healing tool in LR about 10 minutes, before I remembered I even had Photoshop and when I loaded it in, I had it done in about 10 seconds! Photoshop's AI seems much more intuitive for removals and I'm trying to become more aware of bouncing between the two programs. This video definitely helps as a starting glance at a few awesome features I can definitely take advantage of in my editing! Thanks, Mark!

[@desertgecko4549]

Nice video and great explanation of reasons to go to Photoshop. Also, I love your shot of The Narrows. When I hiked (waded) it, I mistakenly tried to get everything in a shot. Yours is so much better, so perfect. Just two elements, the first being the rocks of course. After my eye was drawn to that, it was taken by three leading lines converging on the second element, the person, which gave scale and perspective to the shot. Sheer excellence, Mark.

[@stevedee5663]

Hey Mark! Just wanted to let you know that your youtube journey really inspired me! Keep going and thanks for these helpful videos!

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Thanks so much Steve - that means a lot!

[@brianjennings2185]

Mark, as always a good video. I've learned more about Photoshop from you than others. Do you have a video series tutorial for PS, or could you recommend one? It is intimidating.

[@SinaFarhat]

Thanks for the great information! I shoot mostly street photos and I have everything I need in lightroom for the street ones! If you asked me before 2020 I would have said that I did some things in Photoshop too but a since a virus took over the world I'm 2020 I simplified my workflow to do everything in lightroom! The only thing that I can think of that Photoshop does a lot better is dust removal for my scanned film photos! Keep up the good work!

[@tigersunruss]

Thanks Mark! I've had photos from April I've been needing to edit and this will help bring out the light and shadows of the image that are kind of dull and make them pop more, plus the easy photostacking I need to do.

[@jean-guyhuot7869]

Great vlog, but now I do feel even more like being in the stone age with my copy of Lightroom 4! And thank you again Adobe for being only available on expensive monthly plans instead of stand alone purchases as before. 😩

[@fsphotographic7683]

I found that using Photoshop after making the basic color adjustments in Lightroom allows me to make my photos pop. The power of Photoshop is so much better than Lightroom. Yet Lightroom is not bad but limited. Good video.

[@rickyperez2066]

I use Affinity Photo exclusively but still learn so much from your videos. Thanks.

[@christopherhume8896]

I can't really see a difference between clone and heal in lightroom and find it strange to use. For any spot removal, especially of old scanned slides, I find the spot healing tool in Canon DPP to be much simpler and more effective.

[@alansarpy]

Great video bud! Learned a lot from you ... Can you make a focal length blending video to reduce the pancake effect on hills and mountains ?

[@BucNasty32]

Bridge all day over Lightroom. CR with PS is my workflow. LR is slow compared to editing than CR

[@DEVUNK88]

things I never do inside of lightroom.....edit photos, lol half kidding

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

🤣🤣

[@DEVUNK88]

@@MarkDenneyPhoto I am slowly learning to use lightroom, I just have a real hard time knowing what to do without adjustment layers

[@Lucy-dk5cz]

If I’m editing in PS I do it all in PS. If it’s a quick and dirty then I don’t even leave LR

[@curtlewis3446]

I'm now ready to try and apply sharpening in PS. Thanks for the explanation on how to do it. Also, nice job on the classes you presented at the Lightroom Summit. I learned a ton of good information from all of the instructors I had the opportunity to watch.

[@DebCamPhoto]

This doesn’t surprise me. I find Lightroom overrated and don’t use it at all. PS does everything I need for all my editing needs.

[@ronlangager404]

He Mark, I'll be in Utah in a few weeks. I was planning on going to Masa arch, Delicate arch and Canyonlands National park. Do you have any other recommendations?

[@charliekruschek]

Love hearing you mention Lumenzia! I’ve been shilling the plug-in to my friends for a few moths now- hopefully me sharing your video with them can win them over!

[@steveeb9567]

I'm not comfortable paying a subscription fee for PS for the rest of my life.

[@Tunesmithnw]

Thank you. It would be interesting to hear your thoughts (in detail) on Lumenzia and Topaz Denoise AI/Sharpen AI.

[@PhotoTripps23]

Do you still do all your range masks such as radial mask to dodge and burn within LrC before bringing the file over to PS ? Loved the video, really opened my eyes to the possibilities with luminosity masks

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

It depends on how detailed I need to be - sometimes it's done in LR and other times PS

[@edwindoughty8019]

Great tutorial Mark . I rarely ever use lightroom. My image processing begins with Camera Raw, and from there I take it straight into Photoshop and follow non destructive image editing. Like you mentioned, there are far too many things that can be done or offer more variables in Photoshop than in Lightroom.

[@terrykellyphotography6171]

Thank you, very informative video. Patch tool, I’ll have to try that one!

[@AndreaBaggio]

I personally tend to use for the majority LR so that I have all of my photos edited on LR and I have a catalog, but I do use PS for masking, sharpening and watermarking. I would like to be able to easier switch between the two because for the basic editing I use LR and then I go to PS for refining, but not for all photos. But I sometimes do finishing touches on LR

[@nevvanclarke9225]

I start in Lightroom too ….I use light room for clarity and sharpness. However I use Photoshop for colours. I shoot sunsets a lot and I just find the colour pallet works better in Photoshop for me.

[@stew_redman]

I haven't used Lightroom in over a year. I process everything in Photoshop.

[@wimscheenen3535]

Thanks for these great considerations. I usually stay in LR but feel the need to go to PS I northern to enhance my edits.

[@CelsoMollo]

Agree 10000% of the cleaning an image in Lightroom, subpar for sure!

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Indeed!

[@mistereb]

Thanks Mark - totally agree with your points and I'm grateful for you not just pointing out the areas where LR is deficient, you went and demonstrated where and how PS does it better. Super helpful. Thanks.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Glad to do it and happy to hear it was helpful!

[@danielschmaderer]

Being a Fuji shooter, do you ever see Capture One being a better fit for your workflow/editing? I’m getting an X-T4 soon and I’m just curious.

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Yes I find that C1 converts the RAW file better than LR

[@royhakala7999]

This is a refreshingly clear explanation of techniques that have always seemed obscure to me.

[@mattorrz759]

What a stunning image Mark. Love all the tips and tricks 👌

[@deepdivegooddive]

Excellent tips. Thanks

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Thanks so much!

[@Nag998]

another helpful video Mark!! i am using only Lr and thinking what and how to start PS, this video really helps!!. thank you!!

[@MarkDenneyPhoto]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@opelgang89]

I only do stacking in PS but i will have to use luminosity masks

[@Batteristafoto]

any video that starts with an add for that crappy service you push ..I dont watch! LOL