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@billstevenson541 7 ай бұрын

Hi Dan! Bonnie and I are in Sedalia now, the Scott Joplin Ragtime Festival ended last night. We are not going to be able to come north to see you this year as we are going the other way to pick up our grand son to spend time with him. Next year, God willing. Take care. BTW, Bill Evans is the best of the best for me. Keep up the good work.

@jimmccloskey4254 7 ай бұрын

Reissues are like the cotton candy of jazz, okay to sample, though, for me I use these are tangential to look into the full output of the artist, band members, and who else plays at the time.

@henryc.1851 4 ай бұрын

Interesting video, thanks for your thoughts. I haven't watched a lot of your videos, so I'm not familiar with the push back from the people you call "the idiots" (at 14:42), but a lot of what you said left me with a big question. As you say throughout, "jazz is a feeling, it's not intellectual, it's not driven by ego" and around 13:50 you say "it's an expression of immediate condition"--does this mean that free jazz is the ultimate form of jazz, the apex of its evolution? Spontaneous group improvisation coming from a tradition rooted in the blues, that seems to be not about ego (it's GROUP improvisation, after all), and it seems to be all about "immediate condition," creating and expressing the unfiltered emotions of a group of musicians. And it's not like the oppression of Black people in America disappeared after the Civil Rights movement--hell, there's plenty of that even today in the US, sadly--so it seems like free jazz could still speak to that condition that you find so compelling in the earlier music. A guy like Albert Ayler, who brings blues, RnB, Gospel, and marching band music into a free jazz context, seems like the ultimate jazz musician according to your definitions, but I get the sense that you think free jazz is part of what gives jazz a bad rap to most today. Am I misunderstanding your ideas here, or do you feel that free jazz is intellectual and thus not "real" jazz, despite it's foundation in group improvisation and immediate expression?

@TheJazzShepherd 4 ай бұрын

well the the short answer is, andthis comes from Charlie Haden ...tho its has been a while since i saw the footage..but FREE jazz is not free at all, there are all kinds of post markers and signs that one has to follow and pay attention to to not get lost ... I think it has elements of both...intellectualism and improvisation, but this misconception that it was totally free just was not true.. I like a lot of free jazz, but I do think it has driven many from this art, and the people who fan boy that stuff are equally to blame... Free jazz is like a very dry chardonnay, it is not a starting place.. it is an ending destination for some, and many others will never need or go to it and would rather stay with a Zin or a nice Bordeaux!?>

@henryc.1851 4 ай бұрын

Thanks for your thoughts, I think your last comparison is very apt! It would be kinda nuts to steer a newcomer to jazz toward Cecil Taylor, for example, over some more approachable hard bop, bebop, etc.

@chrisnicol1644 7 ай бұрын

I have just 1 Bill Evans' recording: 1961 Village Vangard Compleete.... Great stuff...

@williamjackson6705 7 ай бұрын

Loved your discourse on Dexter. A player that could adapt to any situation & evolve. He could play the Be-Bop of the forties & fifties but could play ballads with subtly & with younger players on albums like Herbie Hancock's Takin' Off. Definitely on the Mount Rushmore of great tenors. As far as my thoughts on Jazz goes it's a great balancing act of emotion, intellect & technique. I understand what you're saying about emotion being integral part of it.

@paulw8860 7 ай бұрын

very well said about what Jazz is. More topics on this would be great

@TheJazzShepherd 7 ай бұрын

Thnx my friend!!!

@walpoleandworcester 7 ай бұрын

Benny Carter remembering his time talking to Jelly Roll Morton: “Well the only way I can explain it is that he played and sang from his heart and when we talked about the music business, he said I still think that jazz hasn’t gotten to its peak yet. Jazz is a style, not a type of composition that can be transformed to any type of tune.” Emphasis on the heart! Straight from the cats who were there on the ground floor as the music was developing. Source: the track “Congaroo” on Live Broadcasts 1939-1948. This quote has stuck with me for a very long time, along with something George Handy said about the music as well. Just wanted to add to your discussion about Bill Evans and jazz itself, Dan.

@walpoleandworcester 7 ай бұрын

“Jazz originated as the outgrowth of the frustrations of an emotional people, but those emotions belong to all of us. Somewhere between dance music and concert music, lies a field for the interpretation of actual life. It is classic in its appeal and symphonic in its presentation. I call this form jazz.” - George Handy on the track “Dalvatore Sally”

@goldthredz 7 ай бұрын

Thanks for this video!

@TheJazzShepherd 7 ай бұрын

My pleasure!

@jazzbumschris979 7 ай бұрын

Interesting thoughts Dan. I feel like sometimes you ascribe thoughts and motivations to groups of people based on your biases of how you think they feel. A lot of the arguments you build up as being part of this groupthink downfall of jazz listening I don't really hear from folks that we interact with. Discounting the value of where the music went after 1965 is no different than those that shit on swing vs New Orleans, the bebop revolution, cool jazz vs. hard bop, free jazz, fusion, neoclassical vs avant-garde (this is your wheelhouse), or the fusion of jazz and hip hop. You claim that ego has no place in jazz. What if Jo Jones never threw the cymbal at Parker's feet? Ego-driven virtuosity has always been part of this music. The cutting contests from Fats Waller and Willie Smith to Young vs Hawkins, Monk and Powell, Parker and Gillespie, the Kansas City Jam sessions, were all about virtuosity and innovation. This sometimes friendly and often no so friendly competition drove where the music went, made everyone better, and entertained their audiences. Finally, part of the fun of this music is discussing how it makes people feel and think. Your claim that anyone that argues with your thoughts is arguing with jazz seems to be much more based in ego, than feelings or facts.

@TheJazzShepherd 7 ай бұрын

I always find what you take away from what I say bewildering and confusing...and often out of context... the music post Civil rights is not the same... as what came before.. it went from pop culture to very peripheral, .....and bottom line NONE of your remarks even touch on Evan''s comments or Dexter work which is what this episode was about.. You seem to just want to argue with me. Which I guess is fine... but you take nothing from the episode aside from long standing disagreements?? Did you even watch ?? Finally I don't champion one era over another, they all have validity, I am rather a VOICE standing alone, speaking for the VOLUMES of jazz IGNORED by so many as they dive DEEP into the COOL sub genres and disconnect MUCH of the history and constantly sneer at and dis-value(?) the BREADTH of the music when it was POPULAR... TBH if memory serves your journey is still rather fresh and recent into jazz .... and you have A LOT TO LEARN ...maybe try taking something from what I share in stead of the always rampant disagreeing... Tho by having spoken with you enough < i know that is part of your personality... I am not knocking you , you do know plenty... But ....my study of this music correlates with my love of history and my 20 years in the black community... and I try to share from experience and passionate love for this art... and wanting MORE to love this shit,.. in place of FAN BOYS who DRIVE people away... This has driven many episodes content... Maybe of you spent 2 weeks in a JAzz Cafe and heard what the common man had to say about jazz , in place of the other voices in the community your opinion would broaden, and you might value the POINT of making more love this art ...than Hipster students.... audiophile snobs and elitists wanting to seem iltellectual... This was NEVER an intellectual endeavor... Inspiration rooted in improvisation is emotional .... think a bout those words... Love ya man, appreciate what you do.. and maybe listen as much as you speak some times...

@jazzbumschris979 7 ай бұрын

@@TheJazzShepherd I think your obsession with tearing down these intellectual boogiemen clouds the knowledge you share and divides more than it unites. I will sit down and let you be the voice of jazz going forward. Yes I watched the video. My main point was that these arguments have existed for 100 years and that ego has always played a roll in the music. If your channel is meant to be a lecture hall with no interaction that is fine. I find talking about all this to be part of the fun and assumed that is part of why you do this.

@TheJazzShepherd 7 ай бұрын

@@jazzbumschris979 I do love interaction for sure... Boogeymen?? Every FB group is filled with these ass holes brutha... Self ascribed know it all s with 25 JAZZ records telling others that THIS IS GREAT ,...THAT IS GREAT etc... you dont know what GREAT is until you have heard the larger body if the music.. to some degree,, or else what are you quantifying great BY>>? To say I love it ....is one thing,... If you dont accept that these people are real you are very much in denial.. ANd again its always best to agree with some ones points than share where u differ, VS just a negative post of disagreeing

@TheJazzShepherd 7 ай бұрын

@@jazzbumschris979 O I also started my response by saying your disagreements are FINE!! You can always disagree my friend.. I have zero problem with that..

@jazzbumschris979 7 ай бұрын

@@TheJazzShepherd Yeah I guess I just don't see it. I am in all those groups. People saying they think a record is great isn't the end of the world. We should be happy that they are enjoying the music and want to share it with others. That is what keeps it alive, not gatekeeping what people are allowed to talk about because they haven't heard everything that is out there. The fact that you call them assholes is weird to me. If someone has 25 jazz records and the think one of them is the greatest thing ever, why not be happy for them and say "if you like that so much, check out this, I think it is even better" vs ranting about how they are ruining the music. Me and you have talked for years, I only tell you what I disagree with lol.

@blombidobadila8084 7 ай бұрын

The few times I have heard any Bill Evans I imagined a robot playing. Which might talk to the absence of feeling in this music and why 'females' especially find it unpleasant? Incidentally ''Ego'' is an antiquated concept, a component of a long debunked, ignored model of the mind. So in effect meaningless in this era. Reich's- Different Trains is one of the deepest, most moving, heartwrenching pieces of music of the 20th century.